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2019-03-14 09:21:07 PM  
They have their own Nixon in the White Hiuse, so why not?
 
2019-03-14 09:30:24 PM  
Huh? The f*ck?

No. Compare it to something else. Jesus.
 
2019-03-14 09:38:52 PM  
Goddamn it had better be.
 
2019-03-14 10:03:37 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Huh? The f*ck?

No. Compare it to something else. Jesus.


This.   An intense, very visible (televised, both fighting and the coffins returning) war that tore the country apart for some years, then, honestly forgotten by a lot of Americans before it was really even over, because the draft was over first.   The fall out from it carries on to this day in subtle ways, including the "embedding" of reporters to deliberately not showing the returning coffins.   I could go on, but I wake up next to a little of that damage (my husband).

Maybe the long road to civil rights would be a better example.   Sadly, it's still going on.
 
2019-03-14 10:28:04 PM  
Wait I thought Rambo got all our guys out after asking "can we win this time?"
 
2019-03-15 03:10:49 AM  
Admittedly literally everything I know about the Vietnam War comes from The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket so I may be a bit off base here but it sounds like the Millennials can expect to have a lot of quite surreal and deeply unpleasant experiences involving climate change.

Oh and also Platoon but I was fairly young when I saw that and all that I remember of it was the computer game made of it which is a pretty strange choice of a film to make a game out of if you think about it and even then I get it mixed up with the very similar Predator game from around the same time which only adds to my confusion.
 
2019-03-15 03:56:22 AM  
Sooooo, where's the VD and heroin?
 
2019-03-15 04:13:18 AM  
Climate change will end up killing WAY more people. Viet Nam was nothing close to an "existential threat".
 
2019-03-15 04:15:04 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Huh? The f*ck?

No. Compare it to something else. Jesus.


Yeah, comparing it to Vietnam isn't really fair since the whole planet's going to be facing repercussions from America's pig-headed stubborness, rather just America's young, coloured and/or poor getting the worst of it.
 
2019-03-15 04:15:26 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Admittedly literally everything I know about the Vietnam War comes from The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket so I may be a bit off base here but it sounds like the Millennials can expect to have a lot of quite surreal and deeply unpleasant experiences involving climate change.

Oh and also Platoon but I was fairly young when I saw that and all that I remember of it was the computer game made of it which is a pretty strange choice of a film to make a game out of if you think about it and even then I get it mixed up with the very similar Predator game from around the same time which only adds to my confusion.


Find Ken Burn's Vietnam War. It leaves out information, but at least gives an overview of main events and then some.

Of course, we didn't win the Vietnam War despite pouring money and lives into it, so this is not an encouraging comparison.
 
2019-03-15 04:23:38 AM  
🎶 Please stop blaming everything on millennials 🎶

🎶 We're technically old now 🎶

🎶 Technically correct is the best kind of correct 🎶
 
2019-03-15 04:24:06 AM  
Sorry, can't, I have albedo spurs.
 
2019-03-15 04:28:17 AM  
The Republicans are going to try to start a war to get a significant number of these kids killed off.  Watch.
 
2019-03-15 04:35:11 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Admittedly literally everything I know about the Vietnam War comes from The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket so I may be a bit off base here but it sounds like the Millennials can expect to have a lot of quite surreal and deeply unpleasant experiences involving climate change.

Oh and also Platoon but I was fairly young when I saw that and all that I remember of it was the computer game made of it which is a pretty strange choice of a film to make a game out of if you think about it and even then I get it mixed up with the very similar Predator game from around the same time which only adds to my confusion.


STFU
 
2019-03-15 04:35:39 AM  
What? No.

The Vietnam war was a pissant little conflict between a superpower and a tiny tinpot dictatorship that ultimately posed zero existential threat to anyone except the Vietnamese (and, you know, a few people in Laos etc. near the border) unless it had spilled over into US/USSR global nuclear war - which was pretty damned unlikely.

Global warming is going to kill not just humanity but the majority of life on this planet if we don't do something drastic like... ten years ago.

Unless the article means that it'll be something that the kids protest against ineffectually while the plutocrats who run the country do whatever they damn well like no matter how many people it kills, I guess.
 
2019-03-15 04:36:20 AM  

andomania: Sooooo, where's the VD and heroin?


Just go to any rural red state, duh,
 
2019-03-15 04:37:06 AM  

UsikFark: Gordon Bennett: Admittedly literally everything I know about the Vietnam War comes from The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket so I may be a bit off base here but it sounds like the Millennials can expect to have a lot of quite surreal and deeply unpleasant experiences involving climate change.

Oh and also Platoon but I was fairly young when I saw that and all that I remember of it was the computer game made of it which is a pretty strange choice of a film to make a game out of if you think about it and even then I get it mixed up with the very similar Predator game from around the same time which only adds to my confusion.

Find Ken Burn's Vietnam War. It leaves out information, but at least gives an overview of main events and then some.

Of course, we didn't win the Vietnam War despite pouring money and lives into it, so this is not an encouraging comparison.


Don't feed the troll. If this aarp card carrying jerkoff was curious he would have found out himself.
 
2019-03-15 04:37:31 AM  

Murkanen: NewportBarGuy: Huh? The f*ck?

No. Compare it to something else. Jesus.

Yeah, comparing it to Vietnam isn't really fair since the whole planet's going to be facing repercussions from America's pig-headed stubborness, rather just America's young, coloured and/or poor getting the worst of it.


Young, coloured and poor will get the worst of it all right, they just won't all be Americans.
 
2019-03-15 04:41:27 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Admittedly literally everything I know about the Vietnam War comes from The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket so I may be a bit off base here but it sounds like the Millennials can expect to have a lot of quite surreal and deeply unpleasant experiences involving climate change.

Oh and also Platoon but I was fairly young when I saw that and all that I remember of it was the computer game made of it which is a pretty strange choice of a film to make a game out of if you think about it and even then I get it mixed up with the very similar Predator game from around the same time which only adds to my confusion.


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2019-03-15 04:41:50 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Huh? The f*ck?

No. Compare it to something else. Jesus.


Fine:

Climate change will be the Millennial generation's equivalent of the Holocaust

Happy?
 
2019-03-15 04:52:10 AM  

Travis_Bickle: UsikFark: Gordon Bennett: Admittedly literally everything I know about the Vietnam War comes from The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket so I may be a bit off base here but it sounds like the Millennials can expect to have a lot of quite surreal and deeply unpleasant experiences involving climate change.

Oh and also Platoon but I was fairly young when I saw that and all that I remember of it was the computer game made of it which is a pretty strange choice of a film to make a game out of if you think about it and even then I get it mixed up with the very similar Predator game from around the same time which only adds to my confusion.

Find Ken Burn's Vietnam War. It leaves out information, but at least gives an overview of main events and then some.

Of course, we didn't win the Vietnam War despite pouring money and lives into it, so this is not an encouraging comparison.

Don't feed the troll. If this aarp card carrying jerkoff was curious he would have found out himself.


Yeah I didn't get my copy of the troll list
 
2019-03-15 04:58:07 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Admittedly literally everything I know about the Vietnam War comes from The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket so I may be a bit off base here but it sounds like the Millennials can expect to have a lot of quite surreal and deeply unpleasant experiences involving climate change.

Oh and also Platoon but I was fairly young when I saw that and all that I remember of it was the computer game made of it which is a pretty strange choice of a film to make a game out of if you think about it and even then I get it mixed up with the very similar Predator game from around the same time which only adds to my confusion.


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2019-03-15 05:03:58 AM  
I see it as more of a Civil War between people who don't want to pollute the planet and people who like rolling coal because stigginit.
 
2019-03-15 05:12:04 AM  
Let's just hope it doesn't become their "Dr Strangelove apocalypse come true".
 
2019-03-15 05:49:40 AM  
I hope they at least get some decent music out of it.
 
2019-03-15 06:07:07 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Admittedly literally everything I know about the Vietnam War comes from The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket so I may be a bit off base here but it sounds like the Millennials can expect to have a lot of quite surreal and deeply unpleasant experiences involving climate change.

Oh and also Platoon but I was fairly young when I saw that and all that I remember of it was the computer game made of it which is a pretty strange choice of a film to make a game out of if you think about it and even then I get it mixed up with the very similar Predator game from around the same time which only adds to my confusion.


So you failed your middle and high school history classes for 7 years straight then? Why would we care what you "think" about somethig when all you know about it is from crappy movies
 
2019-03-15 06:24:13 AM  
Moving to Canada Eh!
 
2019-03-15 06:29:05 AM  
Also millenials had their own pointless, unending adventure-war that killed and maimed far too many of them before they got home to find nobody gave a shiat.

Maybe compare THAT experience to Vietnam.

Climate change shouldn't be a generational thing.  In fact, almost NOTHING should be "generational".  But specifically this one...  it took 8 or 9 generations to get here, and we'll be dealing with the consequences for another 8 or 9 generations.  Having the two or three generations that happen to be alive while the shiat actually hits the fan blaming one another and failing to work together only serves to prevent any positive action on climate change.

Don't buy it.  Gen Xers?  Boomers?  Millenials?  Fark it.  Those classifications don't make much sense in America and NO sense anywhere else in the world.  And climate change kicks us all in the ass just the same.
 
2019-03-15 06:53:40 AM  
Well the rich kids will be able to move to the least affected areas so it kinda similar there.
 
2019-03-15 06:55:26 AM  
This is totally their Vietnam, except they aren't writing protest songs or marching on Washington om large swarms. They are staying home and tweeting about it (while eating avocado toast no less)
 
2019-03-15 06:57:13 AM  

andomania: Sooooo, where's the VD and heroin?


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2019-03-15 07:03:10 AM  
An endless struggle which costs countless lives and billions upon billions of dollars fighting an enemy that we lack the political will to do what is necessary to defeat, ending in eventual chaotic decent into panic as the realization slowly dawns?

Yeah, sounds about right. I wonder what our embassy evacuations moment will be? The rich leaving us peasants on an earth they killed, to live on elysium station I bet.
 
2019-03-15 07:20:06 AM  
Here in my lib town in MA we hosted one of the top climate change experts, a Prof. in Boston, to speak about the subject at our library this past week.
The right wing failed senate candidate (Shiva), showed up with a crowd of climate deniers and basically started a riot and the police were called in to break it up.  Let me remind you these are adults we are talking about here.
So that's where we are in this country on climate change.  Conservatives on the payroll of petroleum organizing propaganda and disruption.
/Roger Stone approves
 
2019-03-15 07:23:24 AM  

DemonEater: Global warming is going to kill not just humanity but the majority of life on this planet if we don't do something drastic like... ten years ago.


I just went over this in a lecture to some public health grad students, so let me re-state here:

Climate change is NOT going to kill off humanity or the majority of life on this planet, so please, people, stop with the hyperbole. It's not like we're on the verge of turning into Venus. You look like the left's version of raving lunatics when you say stuff like this.

That said, climate change WILL make life supremely uncomfortable for human civilization as we have known it. The last time Earth had a stable (on human time scales) climate that was at equilibrium with an atmosphere having about 400 ppmv CO2 (the current level) was roughly 3 million years ago. Life was certainly abundant back then. However, sea level was 15-25 meters higher than it is now, and the global mean temp was 2-3 deg. C warmer. Imposing that climate regime on our modern world puts millions of people in harm's way and/or forces them to migrate, makes water resources more scarce, shifts optimal agricultural zones poleward and in some cases beyond the borders of current "breadbasket" nation-states. You don't have to look too far back in history to find examples of the misery and death endured in forced migrations done for political purposes; consider those effects magnified by an order of magnitude or so.

But of course our emissions haven't leveled off, and 400ppmv CO2 in the atmosphere will soon be in the rear view mirror. That means there will be unpleasant impacts for many as the climate continues to adjust to the new CO2 levels (and yes, some will also benefit). The question is, how much worse for the general state of human civilization will we allow things to get?

In some scenarios that project minimal efforts to rein in carbon emissions, the atmospheric CO2 by the end of the 21st century could be up around 1,000 ppmv. The last time Earth saw *that* level of CO2 was about 50-60 million years ago. Earth then was 5-8 deg. C warmer than now, and there was no land ice at the poles. In today's world, that would mean a sea level rise of about 70 meters, not to mention a balmy world where the tropical environment would likely be too uncomfortable for humans to live year-round, and a further magnification of the impacts I mentioned above (and more).

The most dire scenario is more likely to take a few centuries to set in, after a few decades of human inertia. The 10-12 year "deadline" for action that gets mentioned in the news is not to avoid the death of Earth, but to limit the unpleasantness that is going to be coming down the pike.

For the younger folks who will be living with this after all the old guard have gone, keep this in mind: mitigation (cutting emissions) is important, but so is adaptation. You MUST push your elected officials AT ALL LEVELS to support both. Mitigation requires nation-level response, but all adaptation is local. Town, city, county, state officials all have the ability to develop climate adaptation responses as part of their master plans. Make them do it.
 
2019-03-15 07:27:56 AM  
I'm sorry.  But no.  Climate Change is not my generations Vietnam.  The never ending War on Terror is my generations Vietnam.

Unfortunately, I don't see an end in sight.
 
2019-03-15 07:55:10 AM  
I'm constantly trying to minimize my footprint. Recycling isn't good enough so, straight up reduction it is. I've been trying to figure out if buying farmed fish from overseas (so I don't support American prison labor practices) is better or worse than swapping to local protein (which is beef primarily it seems like and beef needs to phase out of consumption). My online ordering has reduced drastically. I have a composter on my balcony.

Intelligently I am well aware that nothing I do will matter. 90% of the problem is corporations. I'm still trying. My entire generation was raised to panic about the environment. Well. Here I am...
 
2019-03-15 08:30:28 AM  

andomania: Sooooo, where's the VD and heroin?


Sorry times have changed its measles and oxycodone.
 
2019-03-15 08:32:37 AM  
Wait, so Viet Nam was a hoax??

/hides...
 
2019-03-15 08:37:31 AM  
This won't be a problem that can be solved by burning your draft card and moving to Canada for a few years.

Vietnam was way too small of a war for this analogy.

Maybe WWII in terms of fighting,but with Vietnam's internal discord and WWI's "Spanish" influenza. And don't forget the side of wars that those three wars caused down the road for many generations.  Heck combine the military and political aspects of these three wars plus all the other wars they sparked and you got what climate change will be to generations not yet in power.
 
2019-03-15 08:41:49 AM  
"They also tend to live in smaller rural states, giving them disproportionate influence in the Electoral College and the Senate"

The Senate sure, although the effect is not as big as people make it out - there are a fair number of small population Blue states too, they're just mostly geographically small, on top of that the South-West is increasingly a battleground-CO is blue, AZ just elected a Democratic Senator, NV is now mostly blue statewide, even TX went down to the wire in the last senate race despite the Republican candidate having incumbent advantage.

The EC? Trump won because of narrow victories in FL and PA, two of the most populated states in the US. Wyoming's small state bonus didn't even factor in.

Millennials are the largest generation this country has ever seen, if they turn out and vote for themselves and their kids' futures the GOP is toast.
 
2019-03-15 08:46:29 AM  

BeesNuts: Also millenials had their own pointless, unending adventure-war that killed and maimed far too many of them before they got home to find nobody gave a shiat.

Maybe compare THAT experience to Vietnam.

Climate change shouldn't be a generational thing.  In fact, almost NOTHING should be "generational".  But specifically this one...  it took 8 or 9 generations to get here, and we'll be dealing with the consequences for another 8 or 9 generations.  Having the two or three generations that happen to be alive while the shiat actually hits the fan blaming one another and failing to work together only serves to prevent any positive action on climate change.

Don't buy it.  Gen Xers?  Boomers?  Millenials?  Fark it.  Those classifications don't make much sense in America and NO sense anywhere else in the world.  And climate change kicks us all in the ass just the same.


I mean, it doesn't. The younger you are, the more it's going to kick you in the ass. Most Boomers are barely going to get to see it get worse than it already is, and even most Millenials aren't going to be severely impacted for the majority of their lives.

It's the kids who are still in school right now that have a kick in the teeth coming.
 
2019-03-15 08:48:47 AM  
A better comparison would have been the Civil Rights movement, it is something we can fix if we just work together but entrenched powers are fighting it because it would harm them in the short term. Additionally once we do fix it (not that it will ever really be fixed but at least made a lot better) people in the future will wonder what the fark was wrong with us where we idiots.
 
2019-03-15 08:50:59 AM  

Lydia_C: I just went over this in a lecture to some public health grad students, so let me re-state here:

Climate change is NOT going to kill off humanity or the majority of life on this planet, so please, people, stop with the hyperbole. It's not like we're on the verge of turning into Venus. You look like the left's version of raving lunatics when you say stuff like this.


Positive feedback loops are a thing. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathra​t​e_gun_hypothesis
 
2019-03-15 09:19:49 AM  

andomania: Sooooo, where's the VD and heroin?


Hep-C and Fentanyl good enough for you?
 
2019-03-15 09:42:15 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Huh? The f*ck?

No. Compare it to something else. Jesus.


This.
 
2019-03-15 09:47:02 AM  
This "10 years to fix it" stuff is a load of shiat. It's like being told you've got terminal lung cancer and 6 months to live, but you'll beat it if you can throw a major league fastball. Might as well light another Marlboro.

We're not going to a abandon modernity, and we're not going to convince China and India to get on board.  Time to put on your big boy pants, adapt, and overcome, Millenials.
 
2019-03-15 10:08:08 AM  
Heh, the author thinks it's gonna be that cheap. We only spent ~$1T (in 2019 dollars) on Nam -- combating AGW was expected to cost an order of magnitude more than that *before* we started seeing accelerating AGW.
 
2019-03-15 10:20:20 AM  

VanillaEnvelope: This "10 years to fix it" stuff is a load of shiat. It's like being told you've got terminal lung cancer and 6 months to live, but you'll beat it if you can throw a major league fastball. Might as well light another Marlboro.

We're not going to a abandon modernity, and we're not going to convince China and India to get on board.  Time to put on your big boy pants, adapt, and overcome, Millenials.


Gonna be real hard to adapt to oxygen producing plankton die offs.
 
6 days ago  

DemonEater: Global warming is going to kill not just humanity but the majority of life on this planet if we don't do something drastic like... ten years ago.


Allow me to introduce you to the tropics. 40% of human population lives there. Most of it is humid, or savanna grassland. When it warms up, a thunderstorm cools it down. The Sun moves over it twice a year, but it has not been continually warming. It's not going to get drastically warmer.
 
6 days ago  
"Widespread student protests are largely unheard of in the United States, but there are notable exceptions. The marches and sit-ins against the Vietnam War in the 1960s and 1970s come to mind, as do last year's walkouts against gun violence."

This is something that's always weird to be about students in the US. Take the UK for example - a few years back they changed the student loans to "well cover your college tuition and provide a living stipend, it'll be on a loan pegged to inflation and you only have to pay it back when you can afford it and there are no penalties for lack of payment if you lose your job and well automatically lower your payments if you get hit with a pay cut" and students were literally burning shiat down. And they're fairly passive compared to some of their peers on the continent.

In the US it's: "we're going to saddle you with massive amounts of debt for the benefit of for profit companies that will massively affect your life for years to come so you can go to university, where you'll have to pay several times more for textbooks than any other country in the world, with DRM to stop you from getting away with second hand books or importing from overseas" and occasionally kids piss and moan online.

It takes until kids are literally being slaughtered in school, followed by the government saying "your lives are a price we're willing to pay" before they even do walkouts.

Kids in the US would be justified in rioting in the streets every farking day of the week and twice on Sundays for what their country is doing to them. It should be noteworthy when they don't mass protest, rather than when they do.
 
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