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2019-03-14 06:44:54 PM  
FTA  A number of studies, however, have suggested that faith in a higher power, and the experience of transcendental states, are associated with less activity in areas of the brain associated with analytic thought and more in areas associated with intuitive, empathic thought. Coaxing people into using more of their analytic brain and thought processes seems to lead to decreased belief in a higher power, and vice versa. (Damage to analytic parts of the brain also seems linked to a boosted sense of mysticism.)

Not a bad article really its just that this title and the authors summary are both correct two times a day, just not now.
 
2019-03-14 06:48:40 PM  
So, UN-brainwashing a lifetime of bullshiat can affect your psyche. No kidding.
 
2019-03-14 06:51:23 PM  
Condensed version: Ignorance is bliss
 
2019-03-14 06:52:00 PM  
Believing in the existence of transcendental states is not antithetical to atheism.  Lots of atheists meditate.
 
2019-03-14 07:18:47 PM  
loss of faith

Not necessarily the same thing as atheism. I didn't lose faith in any significant sense.
 
2019-03-14 08:13:14 PM  

Relatively Obscure: loss of faith

Not necessarily the same thing as atheism. I didn't lose faith in any significant sense.


I call it moving beyond faith, or living beyond faith.

But I'm like you...never been a believer in any religious tradition, so never had "faith" to lose.
 
2019-03-14 09:11:51 PM  
I don't believe it.
 
2019-03-14 09:30:02 PM  
Good.  Come at me.
 
2019-03-14 09:41:44 PM  
I'm not sure i ever really lost faith, per se. I just changed outlooks on things. Was raised Catholic and even wanted to become a priest at one point in my young life. As i got involved in the inner workings of the church (literally, i worked as an assistant groundskeeper through high school/college) i came to better understand the power of an institution and the good it can do, while also seeing the underlying flaws of weak people in positions of such power.

Spiritually, i moved towards Buddhism but i think the basic tenets of both faiths achieve a similar outcome, basically building a better life for those around you to improve the general welfare of humanity and remove suffering (i gravitate towards a more Jesuit outlook on Catholicism)

i think it's a possible to have a spirituality (not necessarily believe in a deity) and still be quite logical and analytical in thought. God doesn't create snow or go bowling to cause thunder, but when faced with impossible odds in impossible situations, it may just be a faith in the unknown that can help get you through that hardship (i may be watching Ken burns Vietnam documentary)

/just my 3.14 cents
 
2019-03-14 09:48:53 PM  
Well, to be fair, getting murdered for committing the sin of not worshiping the correct god is generally not compatible with healthy living.
 
2019-03-14 09:50:52 PM  
University of Utah neuroscientist Jeff Anderson

Randal from Clerks?
 
2019-03-14 09:54:32 PM  
Better my own mental health suffer from recognizing reality than causing the mental health of those around me to suffer from my refusal to do so.
 
2019-03-14 09:58:34 PM  
I am comfortable in my atheism. I am told that I will develop a faith in a higher being as I move towards death - well, as I am nearer 70 than 60, statistically I am in my twilight years, but nothing yet. Am I afraid of death? Nope. Don't give a shiat. On reflection, I think I'd like to go like my grandfather. He died in his sleep - unfortunately, the passengers in his car weren't so lucky.

/the last bit is a lie - he died from lung cancer, and it was probably a relief.
 
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2019-03-15 01:29:58 AM  
From the noted journal of psychiatry, Men's Health.
 
2019-03-15 02:08:05 AM  
Author's premise being that a delusional mind is a healthy one. Really?

Subby sounds like they need counselling.
 
2019-03-15 02:26:16 AM  

luckyeddie: I am comfortable in my atheism. I am told that I will develop a faith in a higher being as I move towards death - well, as I am nearer 70 than 60, statistically I am in my twilight years, but nothing yet. Am I afraid of death? Nope. Don't give a shiat. On reflection, I think I'd like to go like my grandfather. He died in his sleep - unfortunately, the passengers in his car weren't so lucky.

/the last bit is a lie - he died from lung cancer, and it was probably a relief.


I have family and friends that as they've gotten older (around 70 usually) have gone far extreme Catholic, some that went to Buddhism, some that went Unitarian Universalist, a bartender and barfly that left Catholicism to be more agnostic and get to sleep in on Christmas and Sundays, and a few that just went full "if there is a God he's a farking asshole."

The ones that relax and go Buddhist/Unitarian/agnostic seem the happiest.  Any extreme gets pretty tiring pretty quickly.
 
2019-03-15 02:44:47 AM  
If it is "losing your faith" that is the problem, then I'm lucky, I was never religious to begin with, so no problem.

But thanks for the concern.
 
2019-03-15 02:58:06 AM  
The closest I came to looking at religion ... well, Taoism sounded interesting, but I didn't want to be the fat white Mexican that sticks out in a room, and most of it can be just followed as logic in daily diplomacy.

Have Jewish roots, and I like the what you do on earth is more important than an alleged afterlife vibe, but the creed comes with a set of luggage to pick up, and there's a crowd of those who carry that luggage quick to judge the luggage and how you carry it, let alone the stigma others in society brand you for carrying that luggage. Also, I love carnitas, baby back pork ribs, cheeseburgers, shrimp, beef enchiladas, quiche, lobster, bacon, that Chinese red pork ...
 
2019-03-15 03:02:02 AM  
So are a couple of other things I'm into.
 
2019-03-15 03:04:48 AM  

pup.socket: If it is "losing your faith" that is the problem, then I'm lucky, I was never religious to begin with, so no problem.

But thanks for the concern.


Same.
 
2019-03-15 03:09:54 AM  
How did that work out?

George Michael - Faith (Official Video)
Youtube 6Cs3Pvmmv0E
 
2019-03-15 03:18:10 AM  
I wouldn't say I "lost" my faith, Bob.

Article definitely strayed into TL:DR territory for rehashing such a well-trodden path of discussion. I absolutely agree that to maintain mental health, all parts of the brain should be used regularly. It's just that there are plenty of activities besides religion that stimulate the "parallel processing" half: play a sport, play music that involves improvisation, cook, create art, work with your hands, etc.

There are many activities that can induce a state a flow while working towards the ineffable, as opposed to the linear and the symbolic and the structured. Religion is only one of them.
 
2019-03-15 03:31:03 AM  
So when are we supposed to take the mushrooms?
 
2019-03-15 04:40:31 AM  
Well, that certainly was...some words.  Enjoy your sky wizard, but don't expect me or my kin to give a shiat. And keep it out of laws and politics.
 
2019-03-15 04:50:25 AM  

Harry_Seldon: How did that work out?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/6Cs3Pvmm​v0E]


R.E.M. - Losing My Religion (Official Music Video)
Youtube xwtdhWltSIg
 
2019-03-15 05:04:06 AM  
Last I checked, a propensity towards believing in unsubstantiated nonsense was a bug, not a feature.

But let's play along and pretend for a moment that gullibility, be it for traditionally assumed to be accepted crop fertilizer or otherwise is good for your health - just to play along.

It still doesn't make the myth of the modern prosperity god real, or any other god for that matter.

I, for one, am much happier since shedding the last visages of faith and my duty to it. I'm at greater peace living the way I want - telling anyone else to mind their own business if they disapprove. And human nature makes much more sense seeing we're little more than monkeys in shoes. No sin. No devil. Just a bunch of apes with internal plumbing and opposable thumbs.
 
2019-03-15 05:08:40 AM  

Samfucious: No sin. No devil. Just a bunch of apes with internal plumbing and opposable thumbs.


You grok in fullness.
 
2019-03-15 05:19:19 AM  
I won't believe in heaven or hell
No saints, no sinners, no devil as well
No pearly gates, no thorny crown
You're always letting us humans down
The wars you bring, the babes you drown
Those lost at sea and never found
And it's the same the whole world 'round
The hurt I see helps to compound
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost
Is just somebody's unholy hoax
And if you're up there you'll perceive
That my heart's here upon my sleeve
If there's one thing I don't believe in

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2019-03-15 05:43:18 AM  

Butternut Squanch: Well, that certainly was...some words.  Enjoy your sky wizard, but don't expect me or my kin to give a shiat. And keep it out of laws and politics.


Summed up pretty well. Of course, they can't keep it out of laws and politics. They think that's where sky wizard wants it. I think I'll plant a garden this year.
 
2019-03-15 06:17:19 AM  
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2019-03-15 06:25:51 AM  
Do you know what can fill that void?  Legalized weed.  And crossfit.
 
2019-03-15 06:46:33 AM  
20k years ago, someone had a dream that a beloved deceased chieftain told them to do something, so they did it and it turned out great.  So they made that guy the priest, and any time he had a funny feeling or a weird dream, they listened to him. That was the beginning of religion.
 
2019-03-15 07:31:18 AM  

Pharmdawg: 20k years ago, someone had a dream that a beloved deceased chieftain told them to do something, so they did it and it turned out great.  So they made that guy the priest, and any time he had a funny feeling or a weird dream, they listened to him. That was the beginning of religion.


Chimpanzees have behaviors that bear a striking resemblance to human religious observances:
Shrines, rain dances, fire dances.

Religion almost certainly predates Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
 
2019-03-15 07:34:46 AM  
There are places still around today, where any sort of "I don't believe in God", will get you imprisoned or even executed.  Less than a few hundred years ago, that was fairly common.

Even believing in the wrong version of God will get you in the same trouble.

So yeah...  Harmful to your health indeed.

//I know that's no what TFA was about.
 
2019-03-15 07:38:34 AM  
There Is No God
Youtube GvVVefz8kX4
 
2019-03-15 08:14:05 AM  

Relatively Obscure: loss of faith

Not necessarily the same thing as atheism. I didn't lose faith in any significant sense.


Yeah I mean if you grew up never believing in the first place and only regurgitated songs and sayings because you would get in trouble if you didn't then... if anything it's a relief.

That said I did like this line from the article:

Researchers also find that juicing the brain with dopamine, a neurochemical that helps regulate everything from emotional responses to movement, seems to goose up our sense of spirituality and belief;

I like this because anytime i've gone hiking for weeks on end - the mental and physical toll it took to get to the end gets drowned out by a real "high" that makes your brain do two things: 1) become kind of an asshole for a short period of time and 2) become more open to "higher" ideas for a short period of time. It's like the brain is fed up with the body's constant needs and just wants to check out for awhile.
 
2019-03-15 08:26:01 AM  

The Silver Mullet: Condensed version: Ignorance is bliss


There was a TED talk where a woman had the connection between the two halfs of her brain severed due to a stroke. She's able to "turn off" the analytical side if her brain, and says doing so leads to her feeling connected to everything and a blissful state. The unfortunate thing is that she seems to want everyone else to be in such a state.

\just say no to brain damage, no matter how good it feels
 
2019-03-15 08:30:31 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I won't believe in heaven or hell
No saints, no sinners, no devil as well
No pearly gates, no thorny crown
You're always letting us humans down
The wars you bring, the babes you drown
Those lost at sea and never found
And it's the same the whole world 'round
The hurt I see helps to compound
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost
Is just somebody's unholy hoax
And if you're up there you'll perceive
That my heart's here upon my sleeve
If there's one thing I don't believe in

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God - John Lennon ( Remastered 2007 ) HD
Youtube oCLsa98D7iU
 
2019-03-15 08:35:27 AM  

Pernicious Q. Varmint: Pharmdawg: 20k years ago, someone had a dream that a beloved deceased chieftain told them to do something, so they did it and it turned out great.  So they made that guy the priest, and any time he had a funny feeling or a weird dream, they listened to him. That was the beginning of religion.

Chimpanzees have behaviors that bear a striking resemblance to human religious observances:
Shrines, rain dances, fire dances.

Religion almost certainly predates Homo Sapiens Sapiens.


Cool article.  Thanks. That really pushes the origin back.
 
2019-03-15 09:09:26 AM  
Words matter, grouping words to identify a thing,view,belief,faith object ect. can be a barrier to self understanding, limiting one,s ability to learn but also help one learn, so i try to be careful using words.

The trouble starts as others view me/you as similar/different, then it strays into tribalism us/them.
So for me i have no label i know of, as far as faith or belief i don,t think about those a whole lot.

/ i do not like label,s
/i do like hot coffee, cigars, & naps
//my Wife has many labels to describe me
 
2019-03-15 10:05:41 AM  

davidphogan: a few that just went full "if there is a God he's a farking asshole."


And that is a natural reaction to viewing actual reality after having the concept of a loving God who cares about you rammed into your head for years.

If God was presented as not giving a fark about you personally, or the suffering of any humans, who just wanted to see what happened and by the way prayer does nothing, then reality would match up much better with that.

But then we would feel like TV for god, creatures used and abused, our cries for help ignored, suffering for their pleasure with no hope of redemption or eternal life.

It would make God appear more like Satan in character.
 
2019-03-15 10:09:26 AM  

Pernicious Q. Varmint: Pharmdawg: 20k years ago, someone had a dream that a beloved deceased chieftain told them to do something, so they did it and it turned out great.  So they made that guy the priest, and any time he had a funny feeling or a weird dream, they listened to him. That was the beginning of religion.

Chimpanzees have behaviors that bear a striking resemblance to human religious observances:
Shrines, rain dances, fire dances.

Religion almost certainly predates Homo Sapiens Sapiens.


So people who are religious are just aping behaviour from less evolved ancestors?

Makes sense. A lot of the ones I have met seem... unevolved. Like they were made in just a day on some rush job or something.
 
2019-03-15 10:10:16 AM  
I thought to lose your religion, you had to to be in the corner and/or the spotlight.
 
2019-03-15 10:12:27 AM  

Pernicious Q. Varmint: Pharmdawg: 20k years ago, someone had a dream that a beloved deceased chieftain told them to do something, so they did it and it turned out great.  So they made that guy the priest, and any time he had a funny feeling or a weird dream, they listened to him. That was the beginning of religion.

Chimpanzees have behaviors that bear a striking resemblance to human religious observances:
Shrines, rain dances, fire dances.

Religion almost certainly predates Homo Sapiens Sapiens.



The innate need to search for agency in all events.
 
2019-03-15 10:19:21 AM  

Mugato: University of Utah neuroscientist Jeff Anderson

Randal from Clerks?


Nah. That's Grant Hicks.
 
2019-03-15 10:24:38 AM  

Harry_Seldon: How did that work out?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/6Cs3Pvmm​v0E]


I think it ultimately ended in Freedom:

George Michael - Freedom! '90 (Official Music Video)
Youtube diYAc7gB-0A
 
2019-03-15 10:26:04 AM  
Sounds more like having religion and losing it is harmful.

Good thing I've never had any religion in the first place.
 
6 days ago  

Relatively Obscure: I didn't lose faith in any significant sense.


I lost faith ... in humanity.
 
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6 days ago  
Insanity (Music Video) - Oingo Boingo
Youtube SSuvPuQM7qc

/nsfw lyrics?
 
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