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(NPR)   Sure, Boeing's 737 jets have cost several hundred people their lives, ripped families apart, and now by being grounded have wreaked havoc on travel plans around the world. But won't somebody think about Boeing's bottom line? It could suffer, too   (npr.org) divider line
    More: Sad, Boeing 787, Boeing's revenues, All Nippon Airways, Boeing 747, Boeing 737, Boeing Commercial Airplanes, United Airlines, worst-case scenario  
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6 days ago  
Thoughts and prayers.
 
6 days ago  
Price you pay for self-certification. No matter what the end-result of the investigation will be, short of clear-cut finding of no mechanical/technical failure, the damage will be the same.
It's clear that the rush of de-regulation in USA is impacting safety worldwide. The only real answer is for FAA to either begin regulating properly or watch US made planes sit on the tarmac unsold. That may even spill over to other industries. I.e. why buy a GE turbine instead of Siemens one? Which one can you trust to have been built to verifiable specifications? Same can be said for software products, why is there a whole industry making tools to prevent Microsoft products from viruses? Why is it acceptable at all? Why is Intel making more chips with Spectre baked in?  None of it makes sense, but makes 'profits' for some in USA.
 
6 days ago  
"pay for idled flight crew"

That costs $0. They are only paid when they are working.
 
6 days ago  
Boeing made the decision to compete with the Airbus A320neo with a 727 fuselage with new wings and 787 tech engines that didn't quite fit, which resulted in the MCAS software.

It was cheaper to get this certified as a 737 line extension than to build a clean sheet airplane which they were also thinking of doing. So, here we are.
 
M-G
6 days ago  
How DARE a business report talk about money...

mrmopar5287: "pay for idled flight crew"

That costs $0. They are only paid when they are working.


If they're scheduled, they're probably getting paid.  There are some pretty sweet deals in those labor contracts.  A pilot friend of mine has hundreds of days of sick leave banked.  If he comes up for on-call, he can call in sick.  But unless they get to him on the list, his sick day isn't actually used.
 
6 days ago  
What? No one want libertarian style air travel?
 
6 days ago  

asmodeus224: What? No one want libertarian style air travel?


If it involves more cracked ribs for Rand Paul, I'm down.
 
6 days ago  

M-G: If they're scheduled, they're probably getting paid.


That's pretty sweet if accurate.

I can't even get my job to think about paying me to be on call. They expect me to be and then get angry when I don't answer my phone because I'm on my days off and it's turned off, left at home, left in the car, etc.

I'm not an on-call employee. If you expect me to be available for OT on short notice, you've got to pay me.
 
6 days ago  

asmodeus224: What? No one want libertarian style air travel?


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It's the reality of life.
 
6 days ago  
Subby and other people need to keep in mind that this problem is not with ALL 737s, just the two new models.
 
6 days ago  
This milk is sour  but I'll keep drinking it to help the boys keep their jobs at the dairy.
 
5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: "pay for idled flight crew"

That costs $0. They are only paid when they are working.


No they aren't.  For example, American Airlines guarantees 64 hours minimum pay a month for captains and first officers.  If they both have 5 years experience, that's a minimum of ~$16,500 a month for a single  737 MAX flight crew that's grounded because their type of aircraft is on the ground.

http://willflyforfood.com/airline-pil​o​t-salary/87/American-Airlines.html
 
5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: M-G: If they're scheduled, they're probably getting paid.

That's pretty sweet if accurate.

I can't even get my job to think about paying me to be on call. They expect me to be and then get angry when I don't answer my phone because I'm on my days off and it's turned off, left at home, left in the car, etc.

I'm not an on-call employee. If you expect me to be available for OT on short notice, you've got to pay me.


One of the big reasons why I don't and won't own a cell phone. The idea that my work can contact me 24/7 is something I don't ever want to go through again.  I did it back in the 90's.  Getting woke at 1am on Sunday night/Monday morning to fix something, and then being expected to be at work bright and early at 8am just didn't sit well with me.

So I've engineered my circumstances so that while it's possible to get hold of me during those kinds of hours, people don't anymore.  Because I don't have a cell phone, people just assume I'm completely unavailable when I'm not actually working.  I don't check e-mails after hours.

Yes, I have a bit of a reputation of being an odd duck, but that also helps.  Most people can't distinguish between true genius, and a mildly clever eccentric.
 
5 days ago  

dittybopper: mrmopar5287: "pay for idled flight crew"

That costs $0. They are only paid when they are working.

No they aren't.  For example, American Airlines guarantees 64 hours minimum pay a month for captains and first officers.  If they both have 5 years experience, that's a minimum of ~$16,500 a month for a single  737 MAX flight crew that's grounded because their type of aircraft is on the ground.

http://willflyforfood.com/airline-pilo​t-salary/87/American-Airlines.html


American guarantees 73 hours of pay for Long Call reserve and 76 hours for Short Call.  Also, 737 crews are qualified on the Max and the older variant, which for American Airlines is the 737-800.  That means there are no 737 Max crews sitting all month doing nothing.  Many crews got paid not to work a leg or two the past few days because of the short notice grounding of the Max, but they will fly other 737s to remain useful.
 
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