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2019-03-14 06:58:03 AM  
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2019-03-14 07:12:53 AM  
The country isn't allowed a 2nd vote. But this deal that nobody in the UK wants gets 3 votes
 
2019-03-14 08:45:56 AM  

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Elevensies? Luncheon? Noon tea? Dinner? Supper?
 
2019-03-14 08:48:15 AM  
The Daily Mash has been there already:

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2019-03-14 08:48:42 AM  
I don't think she personally has anything to lose, so of course she wants to keep holding votes until she gets the outcome she wants
 
2019-03-14 08:49:19 AM  
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2019-03-14 08:51:11 AM  
Seems to be pitching a lengthy delay of Brexit if this doesn't pass. So, looking for cover.
 
2019-03-14 08:52:49 AM  
It turns out that Brexit means Aboverspant
 
2019-03-14 08:53:36 AM  

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2019-03-14 08:54:36 AM  

NINEv2: theDesertHamster: [img.fark.net image 735x500]

Elevensies? Luncheon? Noon tea? Dinner? Supper?


I don't think Parliament's knows about Second Brexit, Ninev2
 
2019-03-14 08:56:35 AM  
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Basically this has zero effect on me, but I love watching House of Commons proceedings on this.  I'd love to see that brain dead POS POTUS we're stuck with forced sit in Congress, account for his policies and be forced to verbally spar members of Congress.  Frankly it should be part of our system.
 
2019-03-14 08:56:59 AM  
Today's fun. FOUR! FOUR AMENDMENTS BWHAHAHA.

The motion.

That this house: (1) notes the resolutions of the house of 12 and 13 March, and accordingly agrees that the government will seek to agree with the European Union an extension of the period specified in article 50(3);
(2) agrees that, if the house has passed a resolution approving the negotiated withdrawal agreement and the framework for the future relationship for the purposes of section 13(1) (b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 by 20 March 2019, then the government will seek to agree with the European Union a one-off extension of the period specified in article 50(3) for a period ending on 30 June 2019 for the purpose of passing the necessary EU exit legislation; and
(3) notes that, if the house has not passed a resolution approving the negotiated withdrawal agreement and the framework for the future relationship for the purposes of section 13(1)(b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 by 20 March 2019, then it is highly likely that the European council at its meeting the following day would require a clear purpose for any extension, not least to determine its length, and that any extension beyond 30 June 2019 would require the United Kingdom to hold European Parliament elections in May 2019.


In short, if it passes as is, then if they have a deal by March 20th, they'll ask for a delay to June 30th (for implementation time) and if they don't, they'll ask for a longer one somehow, maybe.

Amendments

1) Sarah Wollaston's: Calls for an extension to allow time for a referendum. This is the first time the second referendum has made it to the floor. The argument is now "You've had two votes on your plan and now want a third. Why do you get three votes, but the people only get one?"

2) Hilary Benn's: Calls for "indicative votes" on alternatives next Wednesday. Lucy Powell has a motion to amend this to change the timing.  Basically, "does the House want X" votes.

3) Labour (Opposition Motion): Extend to allow time for MPs to find a majority for a different approach to Brexit. Presumably, this would be a long extension.

4) Chris Bryant: Saying that May should NOT be allowed to bring her deal to the floor again.

Amendment 4 is possibly implying that Speaker Bercow would allow her to bring it a third time. Normally, a motion that fails twice is done, doubly so when it fails by the largest and fourth largest majorities in recent history. If Bryant's amendment passes and the main motion passes, this means the Commons will have proactively rejected her deal for the rest of this term of Parliament, the only way this deal could be presented again is for elections to happen. (Parliament cannot bind a future Parliament.)

Predictions: 1 and 2 might pass. 3 is borderline. I don't think 4 makes it unless the ERG wants to disarm May - which is completely possible, given the state the Tory party is in right now.
 
2019-03-14 08:57:19 AM  
 
2019-03-14 08:59:35 AM  

Gpzjock: https://rodgerv.wordpress.com/2007/02​/​10/insanity-doing-the-same-thing-over-​and-over-again-and-expecting-different​-results/


Unless you are building a random number generator.
 
2019-03-14 08:59:35 AM  
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2019-03-14 09:01:55 AM  
On the first light of the fifth vote, will Gandalf appear?

I am confused (pardon my American-ness on this) but does all this mean that Brexit is closer to not happening at all, or just be delayed, or that the UK was kicked out of the EU and now has no clubhouse at all since their plan for a new treehouse appears to have fallen through? Or has it?
 
2019-03-14 09:03:48 AM  
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2019-03-14 09:08:55 AM  
Have they solved the Irish issue? No?

Well good luck with that vote!
 
2019-03-14 09:09:05 AM  
Bercow needs to slap her up
 
2019-03-14 09:11:47 AM  
In a previous thread on the same topic, it was explained that the Queen cannot interfere here without causing a constitutional crisis because of the convention of her remaining apolitical. As I stated before, it boggles me that the Queen cannot even urge a second referendum to verify that the citizen's actually want to exit the E.U. Especially in light of the fact that the last referendum was polluted by propaganda from a hostile power and some are predicting Brexit could trigger Ireland and Scotland to leave the UK. A convention of an apolitical monarch is generally fine and sensible, but historically that convention has not included turning a blind eye to public perception being flooded by hostile propaganda. So, to this American, this seems an opportune time to make a public statement favoring a second referendum before retreating back to high tea with corgis or what ever it is she normally does. After all, if she cannot act to preserve the UK, what purpose does she serve? And if the UK breaks apart, of what will she be queen of?
 
2019-03-14 09:12:14 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Today's fun. FOUR! FOUR AMENDMENTS BWHAHAHA.

The motion.

That this house: (1) notes the resolutio....


It's been 2 bloody years to try and get a workable plan, they can't, and that was engineered decades ago when the UK joined the EU. It was a concrete boots agreement, with no plausible way out that didn't come with the added gift of screwing up the entire country

Best analogy I could come up with was that the EU is like a kidney dialysis machine. It's a main in the arse to be connected to, but try to detach yourself from it without doing the thing properly means you'll be dead within a month.
 
2019-03-14 09:12:45 AM  

Hallows_Eve: On the first light of the fifth vote, will Gandalf appear?

I am confused (pardon my American-ness on this) but does all this mean that Brexit is closer to not happening at all, or just be delayed, or that the UK was kicked out of the EU and now has no clubhouse at all since their plan for a new treehouse appears to have fallen through? Or has it?


No one knows...its the first time an island, conglomorate multi-national sovreignty has voluntarily quit the EU.
Its why this is such a cluster-fark.
 
2019-03-14 09:14:35 AM  

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Flags wrong way round...
 
2019-03-14 09:14:56 AM  

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Flags need to be reversed there
 
2019-03-14 09:15:13 AM  
"Mom, can I have $100?"
"No."

"Can I have $50?"
"No."

"Can I have $10?"
"No."

"Can I have $5? I'll do the dishes!"
...

/i see she's a master negotiator, just like Trump
 
2019-03-14 09:16:12 AM  

iron de havilland: cowgirl toffee: [im2.ezgif.com image 246x180]

Flags wrong way round...


Shakes tiny fist, but still not as badly defeated as May
 
2019-03-14 09:16:29 AM  

Bruscar: Brexit could trigger Ireland and Scotland to leave the UK


Wot?
 
2019-03-14 09:18:52 AM  

Stantz: Best analogy I could come up with was that the EU is like a kidney dialysis machine. It's a main in the arse to be connected to, but try to detach yourself from it without doing the thing properly means you'll be dead within a month.


I read a good one this morning, attributed to an unnamed EU mediator - "It's like the Titanic demanding the iceberg change its course"
 
2019-03-14 09:25:05 AM  
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2019-03-14 09:35:10 AM  
She told MPs that if her deal fails again to get their backing, a lengthy delay to Brexit may be needed.

Besides the already lengthy delay, you mean?
 
2019-03-14 09:36:12 AM  
We. Corbyn says Labour will not be backing a second amendment today but might do so next week.

I would call him a spanner but you can fix things with a spanner.
 
2019-03-14 09:36:40 AM  

Cormee: Bruscar: Brexit could trigger Ireland and Scotland to leave the UK

Wot?


You came back, you just didn't realise it. Blame the Russians.
 
2019-03-14 09:44:46 AM  
Liddington states that it's not worth talking about the Labour Brexit approach because Parliament has already debated and rejected that.

I can't POSSIBLY think of a rejoinder to that, can you?
 
2019-03-14 09:45:03 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: We. Corbyn says Labour will not be backing a second amendment today but might do so next week.

I would call him a spanner but you can fix things with a spanner.


Well, if you put a spanner where it shouldn't be, then that can really throw, well, you know.

/So it does kinda work.
 
2019-03-14 09:47:24 AM  

Bruscar: After all, if she cannot act to preserve the UK, what purpose does she serve?


A ceremonial position only, which is the intent in modern day.

The UK can't articulate what they want at this point.  The half that wants to leave can't agree on suitable terms or even come close.  They themselves don't know what they really want.  The politicians representing them are in utter chaos, and can't seem to come to terms with the truth that their political careers are over no matter what happens.   The other half is stalling in the hopes of throwing all of Brexit in the dump.  This isn't a recipe for anything productive.

And dominating the news is this absurd, irrational notion that there's a middle ground deal to be found for a soft Brexit.  There isn't.  That has been made abundantly clear.  It's hard-Brexit or no-Brexit, period.  That's the choice facing the country.  So if you want you "freedom" from the EU, you've got to pay an insane penalty for it, drop us into a global recession, likely divide your country into bits (think what's happening in Spain x10), and watch your country sit in negative growth territory for the next decade.

All so they can be "free" of regulations that have contributed massively to their prosperity.  It's the biggest "I want to move off the grid and live in a cabin" move I've seen in my lifetime, and they're going to punish their whole family doing it.
 
2019-03-14 09:52:30 AM  

Khellendros: Bruscar: After all, if she cannot act to preserve the UK, what purpose does she serve?

A ceremonial position only, which is the intent in modern day.

The UK can't articulate what they want at this point.  The half that wants to leave can't agree on suitable terms or even come close.  They themselves don't know what they really want.  The politicians representing them are in utter chaos, and can't seem to come to terms with the truth that their political careers are over no matter what happens.   The other half is stalling in the hopes of throwing all of Brexit in the dump.  This isn't a recipe for anything productive.

And dominating the news is this absurd, irrational notion that there's a middle ground deal to be found for a soft Brexit.  There isn't.  That has been made abundantly clear.  It's hard-Brexit or no-Brexit, period.  That's the choice facing the country.  So if you want you "freedom" from the EU, you've got to pay an insane penalty for it, drop us into a global recession, likely divide your country into bits (think what's happening in Spain x10), and watch your country sit in negative growth territory for the next decade.

All so they can be "free" of regulations that have contributed massively to their prosperity.  It's the biggest "I want to move off the grid and live in a cabin" move I've seen in my lifetime, and they're going to punish their whole family doing it.


And the stupid thing is we wont be free of the regulations. The leavers still think they can trade with Europe, which means we need to follow the regulations so that our goods comply with EU standards. Even more ironic is that it will increase regulation, as there will be import/export regulations that never existed before.

/It's like trying to fix a leaking roof by just removing it.
 
2019-03-14 09:59:28 AM  
Lesson learned: Don't hire the same folks to plan the EU exit who handled the Scottish independence plan.

/what happens if Scotland wins the vote? SOMETHING!!
 
2019-03-14 10:00:18 AM  
• Revoke Article 50
• Say, "we were just kidding"
• Start whistling like nothing happened
• Hope nobody notices
 
2019-03-14 10:01:35 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: 1) Sarah Wollaston's: Calls for an extension to allow time for a referendum. This is the first time the second referendum has made it to the floor. The argument is now "You've had two votes on your plan and now want a third. Why do you get three votes, but the people only get one?"


Good. May has deliberately left all mention of this off her proposed steps, in order to make sure it's too late to do it when she finally adds it on. I suspect the govt will whip MPs to vote against this if it gets put forth by the speaker.
 
2019-03-14 10:11:58 AM  

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Flags wrong way round...


Glockenspiel Hero: cowgirl toffee: [im2.ezgif.com image 246x180]

Flags need to be reversed there


I has no coffee in my house.  :(
 
2019-03-14 10:12:21 AM  
Today the sun sets on the British Empire at 6:03 pm.
 
2019-03-14 10:13:49 AM  
The whole of British government needs to have Benny Hill music playing in the background on a constant loop to properly reflect its competence and manner of conduct.
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2019-03-14 10:27:25 AM  

theDesertHamster: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: 1) Sarah Wollaston's: Calls for an extension to allow time for a referendum. This is the first time the second referendum has made it to the floor. The argument is now "You've had two votes on your plan and now want a third. Why do you get three votes, but the people only get one?"

Good. May has deliberately left all mention of this off her proposed steps, in order to make sure it's too late to do it when she finally adds it on. I suspect the govt will whip MPs to vote against this if it gets put forth by the speaker.


Bad: Labour is whipping its member to abstain. They claim it's a matter of "timing." The only argument for I consider credible is they feel that they will certainly be able to pass the main motion (to delay to June 30th) if it's clean, but if it gets the referendum attached it'll probably fail.

Personally, I think that's the fig leaf that Corbyn is hiding behind.
 
2019-03-14 10:36:01 AM  

Bruscar: In a previous thread on the same topic, it was explained that the Queen cannot interfere here without causing a constitutional crisis because of the convention of her remaining apolitical. As I stated before, it boggles me that the Queen cannot even urge a second referendum to verify that the citizen's actually want to exit the E.U. Especially in light of the fact that the last referendum was polluted by propaganda from a hostile power and some are predicting Brexit could trigger Ireland and Scotland to leave the UK. A convention of an apolitical monarch is generally fine and sensible, but historically that convention has not included turning a blind eye to public perception being flooded by hostile propaganda. So, to this American, this seems an opportune time to make a public statement favoring a second referendum before retreating back to high tea with corgis or what ever it is she normally does. After all, if she cannot act to preserve the UK, what purpose does she serve? And if the UK breaks apart, of what will she be queen of?


In general, I agree, but Queen Elizabeth II is the queen of all Commonwealth countries individually as well as the UK so although the Empire is long gone she still reigns in a dozen countries that were part of the Empire. Canada, Australia, New Zealand are the big ones. Her concerns are much more than the UK. Her family will take a big hit to the wallet but most of that goes to the UK government under the current contract. It will mostly be the UK government that is hurt by her assets taking a beating because the budget for the Royal Family is a figure set in pounds rather than a percent of income. So really, she is not going to be hurt by the stupidity of her subjects.
 
2019-03-14 10:40:56 AM  
I had an epiphany this morning while sitting on the bog.

This is the Bad Place. And Brexit is the torture device. They're gonna keep this going for thousands of years.

/Evil laugh
 
2019-03-14 10:43:04 AM  
The shadow chancellor (who also is part of the 'People's Vote' campaign) says:

John McDonnell MP (@johnmcdonnellMP)
The People's Vote campaign is clear that today is not the day to press the public vote issue in Parliament. It reflects what I have said in various interviews today. Careful judgement has to be exercised at each stage of this process. https://t.co/4GrLTlq9c1
March 14, 2019

So, the position of Labour is that they want the delay in place first, and bolting referendum onto it risks the motion not passing. I can see the logic. I still think Corbyn's a spanner, but he's not trying to left-hand kill this, he's trying to buy some time first.
 
2019-03-14 10:44:27 AM  

cefm: The whole of British government needs to have Benny Hill music playing in the background on a constant loop to properly reflect its competence and manner of conduct.
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-Yakety Sax- Music
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2019-03-14 10:45:17 AM  
Statement from the main Anit-Brexit campaign that is strongly pushing for a revote:

Best for Britain, like a majority of the country, believe that giving the people the final say is the only credible solution to the Brexit mess we've been left in after three years of government failure and parliamentary gridlock.
We believe bringing this issue before parliament today will not truly test the will of the house for a public vote. The debate today must focus on the pressing need for an extension to article 50 to confirm parliament's rejection of a no deal cliff-edge on March 29 and protect the country from a damaging disorderly exit.
We will continue to build on the strong support throughout the country for parliament to give the people the final say.


So, it seems that the Labour position here is "It's best to deal with this question tomorrow, we need to make sure we HAVE tomorrow first."
 
2019-03-14 10:51:32 AM  

Gpzjock: cefm: The whole of British government needs to have Benny Hill music playing in the background on a constant loop to properly reflect its competence and manner of conduct.
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Or, if you prefer a stringed instrument

Yakety Axe - Chet Atkins
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2019-03-14 11:01:31 AM  
She's not even good at kicking the can down the road.  Or the football.

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