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(The Raw Story)   Trump couldn't just say "We're grounding those Boeings as a common sense precaution", he had to throw in a gratuitous insult and a brag as well   (rawstory.com) divider line
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2069 clicks; posted to Business » on 14 Mar 2019 at 7:52 AM (6 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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6 days ago  
the United States was the LAST country to jump on this issue.  we should have been the first.
 
6 days ago  
One more thing where he takes credit for someone else approving something before he got there...
 
6 days ago  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
6 days ago  
Also
Says we really didn't have to ground these planes
Seems to think Air Force One is specific plane, not a designation for a plane the President is on.
 
6 days ago  
here comes the airplane!

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no airplane, grounded!
 
6 days ago  
Sucked.
Does he even understand the homophobic origins of that saying?
 
6 days ago  
Trump, who has no training in aeronautics, rattled off his knowledge about airplanes.

Whoa!  Donald Trump is on Fark?
 
6 days ago  
So he doesn't actually have the direct authority to do this, only Boeing's top lobbyist at the FAA has the power to ground them. More pointless grandstanding. I'm sure the top officials he met with beforehand all had their sell and buy orders confirmed with the trading desks prior to the meeting.

A profitable day all around, unless you were not in that group of top officials.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
When he said the planes sucked, perhaps he was referring to the engine's intakes?
 
6 days ago  

Weaver95: the United States was the LAST country to jump on this issue.  we should have been the first.


No. Because this is a training issue, not a plane issue. I would have zero concern flying on a Max 8 on any US carrier.
 
6 days ago  

Loki009: No. Because this is a training issue, not a plane issue. I would have zero concern flying on a Max 8 on any US carrier.


How do you know?
 
6 days ago  

Muta: Loki009: No. Because this is a training issue, not a plane issue. I would have zero concern flying on a Max 8 on any US carrier.

How do you know?


Because it was being flown by those pilots.
 
6 days ago  

Rapmaster2000: Trump, who has no training in aeronautics, rattled off his knowledge about airplanes.

Whoa!  Donald Trump is on Fark?


My deceased FIL was Chief mechanic for TWA and American. His son, my BIL was also a mechanic but got phased out by consolidation. My wife and her mother are getting on a plane Saturday morning, first time since dad passed so he cannot personally assure them that plane is fit for service. They were in tears this week with worry about their safety.

So while I dont know planes, the people I know who do have been baffled by this.
 
6 days ago  
Should anyone tell him that he's flying on a heavily modified Boeing?
 
6 days ago  

Rapmaster2000: Muta: Loki009: No. Because this is a training issue, not a plane issue. I would have zero concern flying on a Max 8 on any US carrier.

How do you know?

Because it was being flown by those pilots.


The two pilots that crashed each had multiple thousands of hours flying. Weird that two guys with that much experience both make a similar rookie mistake.
 
6 days ago  
Well, he's certainly an expert on things that suck.
Worst president in the history of the United States of America.
 
6 days ago  
Can't help but wonder if Trump is tweeting to help manipulate Boeing stock.
 
6 days ago  

TelemonianAjax: Rapmaster2000: Trump, who has no training in aeronautics, rattled off his knowledge about airplanes.

Whoa!  Donald Trump is on Fark?

My deceased FIL was Chief mechanic for TWA and American. His son, my BIL was also a mechanic but got phased out by consolidation. My wife and her mother are getting on a plane Saturday morning, first time since dad passed so he cannot personally assure them that plane is fit for service. They were in tears this week with worry about their safety.

So while I dont know planes, the people I know who do have been baffled by this.


Rest assured that I, a wizened aviation expert, have been carefully following this issue since day one.  The problem is that sometimes the plane tries to crash itself, but if the pilots trim up on the MCAS, then the MAACS will release the MSAC and push back on the stall vane to realign the stickback.  At that point, it's all STICK AND RUDDER 101.  The problem here is that these guys were going "ALALALALA" instead of paying attention in flying school.  I rest my case.  Case closed.
 
6 days ago  
Also weird was Trump pumping Canada's tires in the presser.
 
6 days ago  

sno man: Rapmaster2000: Muta: Loki009: No. Because this is a training issue, not a plane issue. I would have zero concern flying on a Max 8 on any US carrier.

How do you know?

Because it was being flown by those pilots.

The two pilots that crashed each had multiple thousands of hours flying. Weird that two guys with that much experience both make a similar rookie mistake.


Well, if you had studied phrenology like I have, then you would clearly see from their photographs that these pilots had the brainpans of stagecoach titlters.
 
6 days ago  

Farking Clown Shoes: Christ, what an asshole.


I've NEVER had anyone, let alone the president of the United States, make my blood boil as much and as often as this person.  He's farking ridiculous.
 
6 days ago  

VisualiseThis: Should anyone tell him that he's flying on a heavily modified Boeing?


TFA made mention, yes.
 
6 days ago  
Trump Force One or Air Force One?  What's this stupid moron babbling about?
 
6 days ago  

sno man: Rapmaster2000: Muta: Loki009: No. Because this is a training issue, not a plane issue. I would have zero concern flying on a Max 8 on any US carrier.

How do you know?

Because it was being flown by those pilots.

The two pilots that crashed each had multiple thousands of hours flying. Weird that two guys with that much experience both make a similar rookie mistake.


Yes, lets look at this for a bit. Asiana Airlines flight 214. Both Pilots have ~10,000 hours if i recall correctly yet were not trained in the auto throttle system that they didn't know they disengaged flying into SFO.

Then there is TransAsia 235 where the pilots had "multiple thousands of hours flying" where they failed to identify what engine had failed and shut off the good engine. The airline then had a significant percentage of their pilots fail proficiency checks after that accident.

As for this accident, the captain had  8,000 hours and was the youngest captain in the airline. The FO literally only had 200 hours TOTAL. In the US 1500 hours is the MINIMUM to get your Airline Transport Pilot rating. This is what you need before you can even start looking for an airline job.

This is a known issue. The FAA has been extremely proactive in developing training that has been responsible for the safety record of the US airlines.  A lot of the methods they have developed such as the crew resource management and checklists are not prevalent in some other countries. One of the contributing factors in both the above examples included failure of the FO to cross check the captain before executing the command / continuing on the approach.
 
6 days ago  
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the President of the United States of America.  737s suck.  His 757 is much nicer.
 
6 days ago  

Any Pie Left: Can't help but wonder if Trump is tweeting to help manipulate Boeing stock.


And after that nice Dennis Boeing gave him a deal on new AF1s.  I'm shocked!
 
6 days ago  
I think it was mostly to set a sort of precedent for the border wall emergency. He used some important phrases, like declaring an emergency, not having to do this. It's not at all the same kind of scenario or action, but he's certainly not over his wall gimmick.
 
6 days ago  
So I just want to make sure I understand.   A writer for this site quoted an unidentified Washington Post reporter for a one word quote and Fark jumps on the bashwagon?

I know, welcome to Fark.
 
6 days ago  
Typical left. Have to find a way to distort and demean a sound and wise decision.

And you think we're going to let you run the country again in 2020? Better think again.
 
6 days ago  

zgrizz: Typical left. Have to find a way to distort and demean a sound and wise decision.

And you think we're going to let you run the country again in 2020? Better think again.


It's not the message, it's the messenger.
 
6 days ago  
Southwest uses 737s exclusively. How are they doing?

Haven't flown the Trump Shuttle in a while, how's that airline faring?
 
6 days ago  

Farking Clown Shoes: Christ, what an asshole.


Eh. You won't hear me say this very often but Trump is actually kinda right here. The 737 is a pretty crappy plane made even crappier by its ubiquity. It wasn't designed for long haul flights yet operators like Southwest fly them on 3+ hour flights. I've even flown them internationally. This was exactly the market that the 757 was designed to serve but airlines - ever the cheap bastards that they are - never embraced the plane. Now there is a huge hole in the market that *might* be plugged eventually by the 797. In the mean time, enjoy cruising the friendly skies at a whopping 430kn while you're elbow to elbow with a fat guy on your right and a screaming kid on your right.
 
6 days ago  

Tax Boy: Southwest uses 737s exclusively. How are they doing?

Haven't flown the Trump Shuttle in a while, how's that airline faring?


It's only the Max 8s and Max 9s, the older 737s don't have this problem.
 
6 days ago  

zgrizz: Typical left. Have to find a way to distort and demean a sound and wise decision.


...that was too little, too late.  We were trailing the rest of the world on something we should have been leading on  Boeing is a premier American company.

zgrizz: And you think we're going to let you run the country again in 2020? Better think again.


Yeah, the executive branch has been humming like a top since the last guy left.
 
6 days ago  

Loki009: sno man: Rapmaster2000: Muta: Loki009: No. Because this is a training issue, not a plane issue. I would have zero concern flying on a Max 8 on any US carrier.

How do you know?

Because it was being flown by those pilots.

The two pilots that crashed each had multiple thousands of hours flying. Weird that two guys with that much experience both make a similar rookie mistake.

Yes, lets look at this for a bit. Asiana Airlines flight 214. Both Pilots have ~10,000 hours if i recall correctly yet were not trained in the auto throttle system that they didn't know they disengaged flying into SFO.

Then there is TransAsia 235 where the pilots had "multiple thousands of hours flying" where they failed to identify what engine had failed and shut off the good engine. The airline then had a significant percentage of their pilots fail proficiency checks after that accident.

As for this accident, the captain had  8,000 hours and was the youngest captain in the airline. The FO literally only had 200 hours TOTAL. In the US 1500 hours is the MINIMUM to get your Airline Transport Pilot rating. This is what you need before you can even start looking for an airline job.

This is a known issue. The FAA has been extremely proactive in developing training that has been responsible for the safety record of the US airlines.  A lot of the methods they have developed such as the crew resource management and checklists are not prevalent in some other countries. One of the contributing factors in both the above examples included failure of the FO to cross check the captain before executing the command / continuing on the approach.


While your rationale may be plausible, and training is a big part of it-- that's kind of a cheap excuse for not demanding that Boeing make necessary changes to the MCAS system on the new 737MAX aircraft, because there's most certainly an issue with the way how the flight control system is getting and processing that data-- and it's causing airplanes to act sporadically.

A superior pilot should never need to use their superior skills to escape from extraordinary situations that the manufacturer (Boeing) probably decided to gloss over...because the transition training between the 737 Classic, 737NG, and the 737MAX models (especially in the case of going from the NG to the MAX) is literally just an hour of study time done on an iPad.  That's...troublesome considering the incredibly technological leap between the NG and the MAX models.
 
6 days ago  
The article said that there was a Trump airline once that was never profitable and shut down after running out of money. I am truly amazed that Mr. Trump did not manage to create a sustainable profitable enterprise. We might look into his record in other business lines before entrusting him with the reins of the entire country.
 
6 days ago  
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iamskibibitz: This was exactly the market that the 757 was designed to serve but airlines - ever the cheap bastards that they are - never embraced the plane. Now there is a huge hole in the market that *might* be plugged eventually by the 797. In the mean time, enjoy cruising the friendly skies at a whopping 430kn while you're elbow to elbow with a fat guy on your right and a screaming kid on your right.


The 737 and 757 have the same width. They literally use the same seats.

"But, but but my president said it is better!"
 
6 days ago  

TheEdibleSnuggie: Loki009: sno man: Rapmaster2000: Muta: Loki009: No. Because this is a training issue, not a plane issue. I would have zero concern flying on a Max 8 on any US carrier.

How do you know?

Because it was being flown by those pilots.

The two pilots that crashed each had multiple thousands of hours flying. Weird that two guys with that much experience both make a similar rookie mistake.

Yes, lets look at this for a bit. Asiana Airlines flight 214. Both Pilots have ~10,000 hours if i recall correctly yet were not trained in the auto throttle system that they didn't know they disengaged flying into SFO.

Then there is TransAsia 235 where the pilots had "multiple thousands of hours flying" where they failed to identify what engine had failed and shut off the good engine. The airline then had a significant percentage of their pilots fail proficiency checks after that accident.

As for this accident, the captain had  8,000 hours and was the youngest captain in the airline. The FO literally only had 200 hours TOTAL. In the US 1500 hours is the MINIMUM to get your Airline Transport Pilot rating. This is what you need before you can even start looking for an airline job.

This is a known issue. The FAA has been extremely proactive in developing training that has been responsible for the safety record of the US airlines.  A lot of the methods they have developed such as the crew resource management and checklists are not prevalent in some other countries. One of the contributing factors in both the above examples included failure of the FO to cross check the captain before executing the command / continuing on the approach.

While your rationale may be plausible, and training is a big part of it-- that's kind of a cheap excuse for not demanding that Boeing make necessary changes to the MCAS system on the new 737MAX aircraft, because there's most certainly an issue with the way how the flight control system is getting and processing that data-- and it's causing airplanes to act sporadically.

A superior pilot should never need to use their superior skills to escape from extraordinary situations that the manufacturer (Boeing) probably decided to gloss over...because the transition training between the 737 Classic, 737NG, and the 737MAX models (especially in the case of going from the NG to the MAX) is literally just an hour of study time done on an iPad.  That's...troublesome considering the incredibly technological leap between the NG and the MAX models.


You'd think training like that would also include things like "if the MAINT light is on, contact ground crew immediately. Do not take off." Instead, the MAX documentation, training, and even flight manual never mention anything about that warning light.

Boeing farked up. Bigly.
 
6 days ago  
Trump does not know who makes the 757?
 
6 days ago  

edmo: Trump does not know who makes the 757?


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6 days ago  
I don't know if Boeing could have crashed their company this badly without dumbass D's help.

How do you fail so completely while having the president on speed dial, and having him pass laws to hold your hand?
 
6 days ago  
I have a friend that works at the FAA, and he told me that the chemicals used to make chemtrails bled into the fuel oil isolation valves, which is causing the planes to crash. The FAA didn't want to ground them immediately because the public might find out about the brainwashing program.
 
6 days ago  

VisualiseThis: Should anyone tell him that he's flying on a heavily modified Boeing?


He's been doing that for years. His personal jet is a 757.
 
6 days ago  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: edmo: Trump does not know who makes the 757?

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There is a fair bit of overcompensation going on in that picture, there.
 
6 days ago  

El Dudereno: VisualiseThis: Should anyone tell him that he's flying on a heavily modified Boeing?

He's been doing that for years. His personal jet is a 757.


...which is mentioned right away in the article.

What isn't mentioned in the article is that, until 2011, he owned a 727 that was built in 1968.

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This, he bought in 1997. Back then, a second or thirdhand 737 NG would probably have been a better option, unless Donnie was only looking at the purchase price.
 
6 days ago  

cyberspacedout: El Dudereno: VisualiseThis: Should anyone tell him that he's flying on a heavily modified Boeing?

He's been doing that for years. His personal jet is a 757.

...which is mentioned right away in the article.

What isn't mentioned in the article is that, until 2011, he owned a 727 that was built in 1968.

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This, he bought in 1997. Back then, a second or thirdhand 737 NG would probably have been a better option, unless Donnie was only looking at the purchase price.


Figures he'd pick the loudest possible airplane he could afford.
 
6 days ago  

Bluemoons: Farking Clown Shoes: Christ, what an asshole.

I've NEVER had anyone, let alone the president of the United States, make my blood boil as much and as often as this person.  He's farking ridiculous.


Yep.  Never seen anyone open a box of crackers quite the way he does.
 
6 days ago  

spongeboob: Also
Says we really didn't have to ground these planes
Seems to think Air Force One is specific plane, not a designation for a plane the President is on.


Exactly. The President could be flying in a USAF Cessna 208 Caravan and it would still be Air Force One. AF1 is the callsign, not the aircraft's military designation.
 
6 days ago  

Weaver95: the United States was the LAST country to jump on this issue.  we should have been the first.


Why?

The Lion Air crash was preventable with the same procedure that has been in place for 40+ years, but for some reason the pilots didn't do that. Now, no one knows a thing about the Ethiopian Airlines crash until the next couple of weeks after data from the flight recorders is analyzed.

We have two crashes: one pilot error and one undetermined. Why ground hundreds of planes for that?
 
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