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2019-03-13 12:49:43 PM  
***SPOILER WARNING*****

This is for discussion on Captain Marvel for those who have seen it already. There be spoilers ahead! Ye been warned!
 
2019-03-13 09:40:11 PM  
No?

Spoilers or no, subby?
 
2019-03-13 09:40:34 PM  
SPOILER ALERT: I don't care
 
2019-03-13 09:44:15 PM  
Depends on what you mean: is it too early to have a thread discussing the film, or is it too early, lest Fark's resident creepy people come out and bemoan that the lead actress pointed out basic social justice issues?
 
2019-03-13 09:47:18 PM  
Didn't that come out a few days ago? If anything, you missed the boat.
 
2019-03-13 09:47:20 PM  
Shazam?
 
2019-03-13 09:50:24 PM  

MattytheMouse: Depends on what you mean: is it too early to have a thread discussing the film, or is it too early, lest Fark's resident creepy people come out and bemoan that the lead actress pointed out basic social justice issues?


Just basic discussion. I like the movie's themes and message, but am I alone in thinking Brie Larson was kinda miscast? It feels like she is constantly winking to the audience knowingly  but in scenes that call for real emotion, it seems very strange. On the other hand, Lashana Lynch, who plays her beat friend Maria Rambeau, I thought, was marvelous especially in the emotional scenes where she recounts her painful memory of Carol Danvers.
 
2019-03-13 09:53:51 PM  

RexTalionis: MattytheMouse: Depends on what you mean: is it too early to have a thread discussing the film, or is it too early, lest Fark's resident creepy people come out and bemoan that the lead actress pointed out basic social justice issues?

Just basic discussion. I like the movie's themes and message, but am I alone in thinking Brie Larson was kinda miscast? It feels like she is constantly winking to the audience knowingly  but in scenes that call for real emotion, it seems very strange. On the other hand, Lashana Lynch, who plays her beat friend Maria Rambeau, I thought, was marvelous especially in the emotional scenes where she recounts her painful memory of Carol Danvers.


Doesn't matter, Goose was the star of the movie
 
2019-03-13 09:55:25 PM  

RexTalionis: MattytheMouse: Depends on what you mean: is it too early to have a thread discussing the film, or is it too early, lest Fark's resident creepy people come out and bemoan that the lead actress pointed out basic social justice issues?

Just basic discussion. I like the movie's themes and message, but am I alone in thinking Brie Larson was kinda miscast? It feels like she is constantly winking to the audience knowingly  but in scenes that call for real emotion, it seems very strange. On the other hand, Lashana Lynch, who plays her beat friend Maria Rambeau, I thought, was marvelous especially in the emotional scenes where she recounts her painful memory of Carol Danvers.


I don't know about 'miscast'. . . But I will agree to disagree that age didn't bring a lot of liveliness or memorability to her character. That much is apparent from the fact that she's been upstaged by a cat.
 
2019-03-13 09:57:55 PM  

MattytheMouse: RexTalionis: MattytheMouse: Depends on what you mean: is it too early to have a thread discussing the film, or is it too early, lest Fark's resident creepy people come out and bemoan that the lead actress pointed out basic social justice issues?

Just basic discussion. I like the movie's themes and message, but am I alone in thinking Brie Larson was kinda miscast? It feels like she is constantly winking to the audience knowingly  but in scenes that call for real emotion, it seems very strange. On the other hand, Lashana Lynch, who plays her beat friend Maria Rambeau, I thought, was marvelous especially in the emotional scenes where she recounts her painful memory of Carol Danvers.

I don't know about 'miscast'. . . But I will agree to disagree that age didn't bring a lot of liveliness or memorability to her character. That much is apparent from the fact that she's been upstaged by a cat.


A lot of it just felt very matter of fact. Ian Mendelson (Talos) is also starting to become a character actor I really like. He's like Gary Oldman without the crazy.
 
2019-03-13 09:58:43 PM  
SPOILER

Funny story: there's a person in the furry community who's character is a eldritchian being described as a cat, complete with a sarlac mouth and tentacles. I saw them on Twitter the other day coming to the epiphany that they've been a flerkin this whole time.
 
2019-03-13 10:02:33 PM  

MattytheMouse: RexTalionis: MattytheMouse: Depends on what you mean: is it too early to have a thread discussing the film, or is it too early, lest Fark's resident creepy people come out and bemoan that the lead actress pointed out basic social justice issues?

Just basic discussion. I like the movie's themes and message, but am I alone in thinking Brie Larson was kinda miscast? It feels like she is constantly winking to the audience knowingly  but in scenes that call for real emotion, it seems very strange. On the other hand, Lashana Lynch, who plays her beat friend Maria Rambeau, I thought, was marvelous especially in the emotional scenes where she recounts her painful memory of Carol Danvers.

I don't know about 'miscast'. . . But I will agree to disagree that age didn't bring a lot of liveliness or memorability to her character. That much is apparent from the fact that she's been upstaged by a cat.


I'm wondering how much of that was her and how much was direction.

I'm curious as to how she is in Endgame.
 
2019-03-13 10:03:29 PM  
whose, goddammit
 
2019-03-13 10:04:27 PM  

Shostie: MattytheMouse: RexTalionis: MattytheMouse: Depends on what you mean: is it too early to have a thread discussing the film, or is it too early, lest Fark's resident creepy people come out and bemoan that the lead actress pointed out basic social justice issues?

Just basic discussion. I like the movie's themes and message, but am I alone in thinking Brie Larson was kinda miscast? It feels like she is constantly winking to the audience knowingly  but in scenes that call for real emotion, it seems very strange. On the other hand, Lashana Lynch, who plays her beat friend Maria Rambeau, I thought, was marvelous especially in the emotional scenes where she recounts her painful memory of Carol Danvers.

I don't know about 'miscast'. . . But I will agree to disagree that age didn't bring a lot of liveliness or memorability to her character. That much is apparent from the fact that she's been upstaged by a cat.

I'm wondering how much of that was her and how much was direction.

I'm curious as to how she is in Endgame.


That's why I'm cutting her some slack in saying I don't think she was necessarily miscasted. I didn't think Thor was particularly good until they stopped taking the direction of the Marvel movies so seriously and allowed him to be farking goofy.
 
2019-03-13 10:04:50 PM  
Spoilers.

I enjoyed it, but I felt her back story was kinda disjointed and passing her off as a Kree didn't make sense to me. All that physical training for however many years and she never noticed her blood was red?

I still enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to it making the rounds so I can watch it again and freeze frame some stuff.

How many other captains are there in the Marvel universe? Do they all have the ability starting as children to get the crap knocked out of them and still stand back up, or is it just her and Steve Rogers?
 
2019-03-13 10:06:48 PM  

devine: Spoilers.

I enjoyed it, but I felt her back story was kinda disjointed and passing her off as a Kree didn't make sense to me. All that physical training for however many years and she never noticed her blood was red?

I still enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to it making the rounds so I can watch it again and freeze frame some stuff.

How many other captains are there in the Marvel universe? Do they all have the ability starting as children to get the crap knocked out of them and still stand back up, or is it just her and Steve Rogers?


She had a transfusion so her blood is blue. They explained that.
 
2019-03-13 10:09:27 PM  

devine: Spoilers.

I enjoyed it, but I felt her back story was kinda disjointed and passing her off as a Kree didn't make sense to me. All that physical training for however many years and she never noticed her blood was red?

I still enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to it making the rounds so I can watch it again and freeze frame some stuff.

How many other captains are there in the Marvel universe? Do they all have the ability starting as children to get the crap knocked out of them and still stand back up, or is it just her and Steve Rogers?


SPOILERS

She had blue blood; they explained it very briefly before the climax that when she was abducted, they transfused her with Kree blood. That being said, I haven't the foggiest why they decided to turn her into a Kree soldier.
 
2019-03-13 10:12:20 PM  
Someone explain to me why Talos stills sounded like Ben Mendelsohn after he changed back.
 
2019-03-13 10:39:15 PM  

Brawndo: Doesn't matter, Goose was the star of the movie



I hope that Goose has a starring role in Endgame. Goose wearing the Infinity Gauntlet would be awesome.
 
2019-03-13 10:55:50 PM  

GitOffaMyLawn: Brawndo: Doesn't matter, Goose was the star of the movie


I hope that Goose has a starring role in Endgame. Goose wearing the Infinity Gauntlet would be awesome.


Or he coughs up Thanos' parents, who make him clean up the mess he made.
 
2019-03-13 11:14:07 PM  

MattytheMouse: devine: Spoilers.

I enjoyed it, but I felt her back story was kinda disjointed and passing her off as a Kree didn't make sense to me. All that physical training for however many years and she never noticed her blood was red?

I still enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to it making the rounds so I can watch it again and freeze frame some stuff.

How many other captains are there in the Marvel universe? Do they all have the ability starting as children to get the crap knocked out of them and still stand back up, or is it just her and Steve Rogers?

SPOILERS

She had blue blood; they explained it very briefly before the climax that when she was abducted, they transfused her with Kree blood. That being said, I haven't the foggiest why they decided to turn her into a Kree soldier.


Because they recognized the power the Tesseract had given her, and wanted to harness it for their own use. That's why they wiped her memory.
 
2019-03-13 11:16:55 PM  
I was pissed when she killed that gorilla. He wasn't even doing anything.
 
2019-03-13 11:25:15 PM  

MattytheMouse: SPOILER

Funny story: there's a person in the furry community who's character is a eldritchian being described as a cat, complete with a sarlac mouth and tentacles. I saw them on Twitter the other day coming to the epiphany that they've been a flerkin this whole time.


Nobody knows what the hell you just said.
 
2019-03-13 11:30:56 PM  
I could have done with twice as much 90s nostalgia pandering.
 
2019-03-13 11:51:35 PM  

MattytheMouse: SPOILER

Funny story: there's a person in the furry community who's character is a eldritchian being described as a cat, complete with a sarlac mouth and tentacles. I saw them on Twitter the other day coming to the epiphany that they've been a flerkin this whole time.


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2019-03-14 12:23:57 AM  
Sweet rashy-bottomed baby Jesus.
 
2019-03-14 01:11:28 AM  
The plot twist was great, especially with how they tried to make us sympathize with the Kree at the beginning.

My biggest (minor) complaint is that the way they had Goose thrash those guys with the tentacles sort of screamed "We're ripping off Groot!"
 
6 days ago  

MattytheMouse: devine: Spoilers.

I enjoyed it, but I felt her back story was kinda disjointed and passing her off as a Kree didn't make sense to me. All that physical training for however many years and she never noticed her blood was red?

I still enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to it making the rounds so I can watch it again and freeze frame some stuff.

How many other captains are there in the Marvel universe? Do they all have the ability starting as children to get the crap knocked out of them and still stand back up, or is it just her and Steve Rogers?

SPOILERS

She had blue blood; they explained it very briefly before the climax that when she was abducted, they transfused her with Kree blood. That being said, I haven't the foggiest why they decided to turn her into a Kree soldier.


Bc they knew she had absorbed a tremendous power and they wanted to exploit it and exploiting it would be easier if she thought she was one of them.

I thought that was pretty apparent?
 
6 days ago  

Giant Clown Shoe: MattytheMouse: devine: Spoilers.

I enjoyed it, but I felt her back story was kinda disjointed and passing her off as a Kree didn't make sense to me. All that physical training for however many years and she never noticed her blood was red?

I still enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to it making the rounds so I can watch it again and freeze frame some stuff.

How many other captains are there in the Marvel universe? Do they all have the ability starting as children to get the crap knocked out of them and still stand back up, or is it just her and Steve Rogers?

SPOILERS

She had blue blood; they explained it very briefly before the climax that when she was abducted, they transfused her with Kree blood. That being said, I haven't the foggiest why they decided to turn her into a Kree soldier.

Bc they knew she had absorbed a tremendous power and they wanted to exploit it and exploiting it would be easier if she thought she was one of them.

I thought that was pretty apparent?


I mean, yeah, that's pretty apparent.

I guess I'm thinking of it from the wrong mindset: so the alien who'd absorbed your super weapon is an amnesiac and in your control. . .? Why tell her to restrain her powers and regularly send her out into perilous situations? I guess I should stop fixating so much on it before I become CinemaSins.
 
6 days ago  

RexTalionis: Just basic discussion. I like the movie's themes and message, but am I alone in thinking Brie Larson was kinda miscast?


I think she's well cast. She still is every bit the tough little tomboy we see in the flashbacks. It's perfect. She isn't a scientist or an ideologue, she's just a girl who kept getting told no. It's comes together well with the cut to the end of each flashback scene where she keeps standing up. It's a little on the nose but works for me.

And the way she runs and walks that's been mentioned? It's just like a tough little girl who has her fists balled and refuses to take no for an answer.

Turns out the way humans "try" isn't super cute to the Kree in the end.
 
6 days ago  
I curious if anyone saw it as a parable about leaving a bad relationship where the woman has been lied to, abused and gaslit? 

I thought the last scene w Jude Law made it clear.
 
6 days ago  

Sid_6.7: The plot twist was great, especially with how they tried to make us sympathize with the Kree at the beginning.

My biggest (minor) complaint is that the way they had Goose thrash those guys with the tentacles sort of screamed "We're ripping off Groot!"


I thought that too.

Other minor issues.

One of the Skrull faces/ costumes is used in another movie. I know it. It might take me a bit to figure out which other movie but I recognize it.

When she uses her hands to blast back into the ship during the fight w the Skrulls nothing closes behind her but the ship is somehow sealed tight. 

There's an age/continuity issue w the daughter of her friend. If she was gone for 6 years the little girl would need to be younger in the flashbacks or older now.
 
6 days ago  
I had no major issues with the film, plot-wise.

Tonally, the heavy-handed feminism pulled me out of the world a few times. Only Deadpool is less subtle.

Also, pacing was an issue. Nice fights up front, then a huge stretch of lull, then giant messy finale.

As a matter of personal taste, I like practical-effect hand-to-hand combat and stunts more than extravagant CGI explosions, so I felt like the movie started off strong, and then never quite recovered, because the whole third act was just CGI action.

On the positive side, Brie Larson and Samuel L. Jackson had great onscreen chemistry, and I love me some Coulson. The comedy was good and well executed, and aside from Larson maybe being a little wooden (explainable in-film as being traumatized, brain-washed, and all around messed with) I thought the acting was all really good.

Overall it was fine. As I said in another thread, I think it's just above Dr. Strange in the pecking order.
 
6 days ago  
On a scale of "The Incredible Hulk" to "Black Panther," how integral to the plot of the Avengers movies is Captain Marvel? Should I definitely see this one before Endgame?
 
6 days ago  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: On a scale of "The Incredible Hulk" to "Black Panther," how integral to the plot of the Avengers movies is Captain Marvel? Should I definitely see this one before Endgame?


Must see.
 
6 days ago  

Giant Clown Shoe: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: On a scale of "The Incredible Hulk" to "Black Panther," how integral to the plot of the Avengers movies is Captain Marvel? Should I definitely see this one before Endgame?

Must see.


Agreed.  If you don't see it, you may never know how Nick Fury lost his eye.
 
6 days ago  

RabidRythmDivas: Giant Clown Shoe: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: On a scale of "The Incredible Hulk" to "Black Panther," how integral to the plot of the Avengers movies is Captain Marvel? Should I definitely see this one before Endgame?

Must see.

Agreed.  If you don't see it, you may never know how Nick Fury lost his eye.


Captain Marvel is THE HERO that started The Avengers. "If there are lives at stake I'll fly the plane." She is "the" avenger.
 
6 days ago  

Giant Clown Shoe: RabidRythmDivas: Giant Clown Shoe: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: On a scale of "The Incredible Hulk" to "Black Panther," how integral to the plot of the Avengers movies is Captain Marvel? Should I definitely see this one before Endgame?

Must see.

Agreed.  If you don't see it, you may never know how Nick Fury lost his eye.

Captain Marvel is THE HERO that started The Avengers. "If there are lives at stake I'll fly the plane." She is "the" avenger.


I agree.  Again.
 
6 days ago  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: On a scale of "The Incredible Hulk" to "Black Panther," how integral to the plot of the Avengers movies is Captain Marvel? Should I definitely see this one before Endgame?


I'm gonna disagree with the other folk here and say that if you know that Captain Marvel is super-powerful and can blow stuff up good, you've gotten all of the relevant information for Endgame from this film.
 
6 days ago  

nmrsnr: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: On a scale of "The Incredible Hulk" to "Black Panther," how integral to the plot of the Avengers movies is Captain Marvel? Should I definitely see this one before Endgame?

I'm gonna disagree with the other folk here and say that if you know that Captain Marvel is super-powerful and can blow stuff up good, you've gotten all of the relevant information for Endgame from this film.


Origin of the Avengers and the SHIELD backstory? There's lot's of important stuff here. Besides, she's the Alpha and possibly the Omega of the Avengers.
 
6 days ago  
I saw it last night.  It was ok.

My biggest issue with it was that they gave Nick Fury practically nothing to do.

Also, Brie Larson can't seem to act her way out of a wet paper bag.  She delivered every line like Buffy the Vampire slayer, but not in the self aware, Buffy sort of way.  She's supposed to be a tough as nails airforce pilot, not a high school cheerleader.  Maybe it was the director's choice, but it fell flat for me.
 
6 days ago  

Giant Clown Shoe: Origin of the Avengers and the SHIELD backstory? There's lot's of important stuff here. Besides, she's the Alpha and possibly the Omega of the Avengers.


How does the origin of the Avengers affect Endgame?

Pretend you DON'T know that she started the Avengers, what does that change about the plot, or her involvement, in Thanos's machinations or his downfall?
 
6 days ago  

Giant Clown Shoe: nmrsnr: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: On a scale of "The Incredible Hulk" to "Black Panther," how integral to the plot of the Avengers movies is Captain Marvel? Should I definitely see this one before Endgame?

I'm gonna disagree with the other folk here and say that if you know that Captain Marvel is super-powerful and can blow stuff up good, you've gotten all of the relevant information for Endgame from this film.

Origin of the Avengers and the SHIELD backstory? There's lot's of important stuff here. Besides, she's the Alpha and possibly the Omega of the Avengers.


Agree again!  Also, how about "Where was Captain Marvel when Thanos was killing all those people in Infinity Wars???"
 
6 days ago  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: On a scale of "The Incredible Hulk" to "Black Panther," how integral to the plot of the Avengers movies is Captain Marvel? Should I definitely see this one before Endgame?


Nick Fury pages her at the end of Infinity War, and we're all assuming that this means she has a very important role in Endgame.  Dr. Strange tested millions(?) of possible futures and found the only one where the endgame was favorable and set the Avengers on course for that outcome.  Presumably Thanos had to win once for Nick to use his damn Marvel pager and then Dr. Strange will grab her out of the timeline where she responds to the page and pop her into a timeline where she gets a shot at Thanos before he snaps his finger.  Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey stuff.

Since her power derives from the Tesseract she might have the ability to break that stone out of the gauntlet or something.
 
6 days ago  

Lord Bear: I saw it last night.  It was ok.

My biggest issue with it was that they gave Nick Fury practically nothing to do.

Also, Brie Larson can't seem to act her way out of a wet paper bag.  She delivered every line like Buffy the Vampire slayer, but not in the self aware, Buffy sort of way.  She's supposed to be a tough as nails airforce pilot, not a high school cheerleader.  Maybe it was the director's choice, but it fell flat for me.


I thought she was brilliant.  And badass.
 
6 days ago  

RabidRythmDivas: Giant Clown Shoe: nmrsnr: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: On a scale of "The Incredible Hulk" to "Black Panther," how integral to the plot of the Avengers movies is Captain Marvel? Should I definitely see this one before Endgame?

I'm gonna disagree with the other folk here and say that if you know that Captain Marvel is super-powerful and can blow stuff up good, you've gotten all of the relevant information for Endgame from this film.

Origin of the Avengers and the SHIELD backstory? There's lot's of important stuff here. Besides, she's the Alpha and possibly the Omega of the Avengers.

Agree again!  Also, how about "Where was Captain Marvel when Thanos was killing all those people in Infinity Wars???"


Other side of the universe and out of pager range? She does tell Fury the range is "at least a couple of galaxies." I can't imagine he didn't try her once or twice prior.
 
6 days ago  

nmrsnr: Pretend you DON'T know that she started the Avengers, what does that change about the plot, or her involvement, in Thanos's machinations or his downfall?


If you mean understand on a base level what superheroes are? I guess. But by that rationale you don't need to see 80% of the MCU and why are you even in this thread?

Also, since we haven't seen the next movie we can't be sure the tie-ins yet so that issue doesn't really make sense. Do you think them putting Captain Marvel right here, right now is coincidence or them being sloppy?
 
6 days ago  

Giant Clown Shoe: But by that rationale you don't need to see 80% of the MCU and why are you even in this thread?


No, there are a lot of things in Infinity War that are hard to pick up on if you haven't seen some of the other movies.

Guardians gives you the backstory of Nebula and Gamora's relationship and info on the infinity stones, which comes up in Infinity War. Ragnarok explains what happened to Thor's eye. Black Panther explains what the heck Wakanda is, and why everyone appears to be there. Dr. Strange gives you info on the time stone.

Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 1-3, Thor 1 and 2, Captain America 1, Ant-Man 1 and 2, Spider-Man Homecoming, and Guardians 2 have no bearing on the Infinity War plot itself, outside of character introduction. Captain Marvel goes in that category.
 
6 days ago  
I saw it Saturday morning and quite enjoyed it.

There were I think two moments when Larson's presentation of the character seemed off for the scene, but they were just moments - I couldn't even tell you what they were because it wasn't that strong of an impression.

I quite liked how they handled the Kree - it wasn't until after the movie that I stopped to think "Oh yeah, the Kree are the evil blue aliens from AoS, I should have remembered they were the baddies"

I similarly appreciated how they handled the Skrull - portraying them as sympathetic while acknowledging they are far from innocent - One of two sides in a war, hands far from clean.  Leaves the door open for antagonistic Skrulls in the future, while also setting precedent for non-monolithic alien species, so it's not "all X are bad and all Y are good"  Nuance is a good thing.

But my favorite part of the movie was the fight choreography.

Which isn't to say that it was exceptionally good.  It was fine, it was ok.  But the thing I liked most about it is they didn't relegate Captain Marvel to the standard "girl fighter" moveset so often portrayed in media, which is basically just hand jive with some flips and spins and a hurricanrana.  You see it over and over, any time a woman is being portrayed as a melee fighter, including Black Widow in IM2.

I'm also glad Coulson wasn't in it more.  Not that I don't appreciate Clarke Gregg, but I think I would have been irritated if he had had more of a presence.
 
6 days ago  

Sid_6.7: The plot twist was great, especially with how they tried to make us sympathize with the Kree at the beginning.

My biggest (minor) complaint is that the way they had Goose thrash those guys with the tentacles sort of screamed "We're ripping off Groot!"


How would you utilize the Flerkin's tentacles in combat to avoid that comparison?
 
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