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(Reuters)   Johnson & Johnson twenty & nine million poorer   (reuters.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Jury, J&J, Asbestos, Talc, New Brunswick, talc-related lawsuits, California jury, course of the trial  
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871 clicks; posted to Business » on 14 Mar 2019 at 6:37 AM (6 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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6 days ago  
Is this primary peritoneal mesothelioma or pleural mesothelioma?  The former I could see a better argument for in the same vein as ovarian.

For pleural, how much talcum doped with a tiny bit of asbestos would you feasibily have to huff before you notably raised your cancer chances?
 
6 days ago  
So, did they rummage around for vintage unopened packages to see if they contained traces of asbestos? I've seen 40+ year forgotten items at estate sales.
 
6 days ago  

wildcardjack: So, did they rummage around for vintage unopened packages to see if they contained traces of asbestos? I've seen 40+ year forgotten items at estate sales.


No need. The company's own files reveal they knew asbestos was sometimes in their talc. They did not disclose this information to either regulators or the public.
 
6 days ago  
That should have been "nine & twenty," subby.
 
6 days ago  
My JNJ stock is still doing fine.

Sorry about the cancer, enjoy the $29 Mil
 
6 days ago  

NotRussianSpy: My JNJ stock is still doing fine.

Sorry about the cancer, enjoy the $29 Mil


With all the litigation against them, they will probably declare bankruptcy and no one will see a dime but the lawyers.
 
6 days ago  
JJ must have the worst lawyers.  The science behind the likelihood of her having gotten cancer from this is about as high as getting autism from the MMR.
 
6 days ago  
I realize you have cancer and that sucks.... but we need to stop allowing people to go 'oh i got cancer.  I have done X in the past.  Clearly X caused cancer.  Gimme money!'.

No.  Stop.  Prove it first.  Then go ahead.
 
6 days ago  

Gordon Bennett: wildcardjack: So, did they rummage around for vintage unopened packages to see if they contained traces of asbestos? I've seen 40+ year forgotten items at estate sales.

No need. The company's own files reveal they knew asbestos was sometimes in their talc. They did not disclose this information to either regulators or the public.


Yep. And I'm the ninth comment?
Where oh where are all of those Fark Experts who used to vehemently argue that talc powder couldn't possibly cause cancer, mocking victims, the courts, and juries?
 
6 days ago  

jake3988: I realize you have cancer and that sucks.... but we need to stop allowing people to go 'oh i got cancer.  I have done X in the past.  Clearly X caused cancer.  Gimme money!'.

No.  Stop.  Prove it first.  Then go ahead.


That's apparently what they just did.

Juries and courts in general sometimes make dumb or wrong decisions, but a few minutes with an article about a verdict isn't nearly enough information for me to know if this seems like one of those exceptions.
 
6 days ago  
wildcardjack , jake3988,
Go fark yourselves. While I pray for Terry and her family, I hope you personally get a death sentence from product liability.

My heart skipped a beat when I got far enough into this story to read it was Terry. I have known Terry for longer than she has been married to my old apartment mate, her husband. She started dating my apartment mate almost 2 decades ago, when he and I shared an apartment on the north side of Chicago. Terry basically moved in with us for the ~ 15 months before they moved to the Bay area, where Terry is from, to get married and start a family near her family. I was one of many who went out there and met Terry's family at the wedding.

Terry is a daughter, sister, aunt, wife and mother, and one of the most wonderful people I have known. Due to facts proven in this case, Terry has an uphill battle on her hands to even live long enough to see both her children graduate high school, much less college, or maybe become parents themselves of Terry's potential grandchildren.

There were two defendants in this case, J&J (who fought all settlement options) and the mining company who declared bankruptcy and was dismissed from the lawsuit by the judge, during the trial.
A little over a month ago, Terry's husband told me of the lawsuit and Terry's diagnosis (he had to keep most details quiet until the lawsuit was under way, for legal reasons). I learned that the mining company who was the supplier to J&J of the talc that contained the asbestos, likely knew of the asbestos in the talc going back to when J&J first knew of the asbestos in the product decades ago. J&J's own internal documents entered into evidence in this lawsuit by Terry's legal team, proved to this jury, that J&J ignored the asbestos issue for decades.

Terry grew up near in a town the mining company had operations, and could have been preliminarily exposed to asbestos way back in her childhood, but in minor airborne amounts compared to the exposure threat from using J&J's asbestos laden products. That was a large part of the lawsuit. The mining company had even offered to go in with J&J on a multi million-dollar settlement early in the case, but J&J said "absolutely no way" to any settlement offer. Subsequently, the mining company filed bankruptcy and was dismissed from the case by the judge.

Since J&J has already announced they are going to appeal, in all likelihood the appeal will be decided, and/if a final $ amount is paid to Terry and her family, she will be deceased.

As her husband told me in our phone conversation, "John, don't be scared about what you might read in the courtroom transcripts. While some expert witnesses give her less than 12 months, there is an equal chance she'll be around up to 3 years." He provided me credentials to a legal site that provided daily transcripts, I chose to not avail myself of the transcripts. What I've written here is based on my conversation with him, and what I read online today in coverage of the verdict.

A bit more background that the jury may or may not have been privy to (I'm sure J&J fought to keep these facts out of court). Terry's husband is a leukemia survivor, not cured, but surviving now for about a decade after a bone marrow transplant. Terry had beaten breast cancer prior to being diagnosed with mesothelioma. Their two children have lived with one parent or the other having cancer since they were very young. Now the kids have a time frame on mom's lifespan.

Terry's husband will have to face the decision to put his own career on hold to be with his wife and support her and the kids for the remainder of her time (as they did while he was "the boy in the bubble" for almost a year after his bone marrow transplant), or leave her in the care of someone else if he chooses to continue his career, which requires 55-60 hr workweeks, as he is a Sr. lawyer in a firm, himself.

Anyone who think $29M is too much, consider this. It probably represents ~$1M per year that J&J kept this secret to protect their bottom line, with reckless disregard for the health and life of their millions of customers they exposed to asbestos. So, in Terry's case, I don't think it is too high an award. You can disagree all you like.

John in Chicago
I shared an apartment with Terry, a lovely woman
 
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