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(The Atlantic)   The college admissions cheating scandal irrefutably demonstrates that American meritocracy is a myth, and the elites have rigged the entire system in their favor. Not you, though. You and your family totally deserve your success   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2019-03-13 05:51:25 PM  
We deserve a fair chance, clown
 
2019-03-13 06:09:01 PM  
I honestly think it's the opposite.  The world is massively unfair, but not in the precise ways people imagine.  There is, in fact, no guaranteed legal way for a B-list celebrity to send their kid to the college of their choice.  Advantage, regardless of how massive, does not equal guarantee.
 
2019-03-13 06:20:01 PM  
I honestly think it's the opposite as well.  They got caught and they are going to be put through the ringer.  Proving, you might be able to get away with it for a while, but you eventually get caught.  Sure the average person can skate on something small every once in a while.  But take too big a bite and it will get you.
 
2019-03-13 07:02:42 PM  
Oh great, pxsteel agrees with me.  Now I'm no longer sure that colleges exist.
 
2019-03-13 07:11:54 PM  
You can still be anything you want in this country. You just have to have money and bribe people. Or you can sleep with them.

Being white helps.
 
2019-03-13 07:22:16 PM  
~40 or so kids cheated to get into college, therefore the other few million or so are all suspect
 
2019-03-13 07:27:16 PM  

The Third Man: ~40 or so kids cheated to get into college, therefore the other few million or so are all suspect


The number grew a bit.
 
2019-03-13 07:33:57 PM  
Singer, 58, faces a maximum sentence of 65 years if convicted.

Manafort got, what?  5 total?  Not counting whatever New York State has in store for him...
 
2019-03-13 07:54:30 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Singer, 58, faces a maximum sentence of 65 years if convicted.

Manafort got, what?  5 total?  Not counting whatever New York State has in store for him...


Manafort worked the system as a lobbyist and political consultant. Most people have a vague idea that it's dirty work, but don't perceive that they're directly wronged by that.

Cheating on college admissions? That's going to make a lot of people angry, because a lot of middle-class folks and upper-middle-class pundits/journalists value education, and are going to resent depriving their kids of their fair chance.
 
2019-03-13 08:33:25 PM  
My parents were poor and I didn't graduate from college. Still in the 95th percentile for net worth. Suck it poors.

/yeah, not going to say that being a white male didn't contribute.
//but I also busted my ass, was smart and in the right place at the right time.
///luck favors the prepared.
 
2019-03-13 08:37:53 PM  

JerseyTim: The Third Man: ~40 or so kids cheated to get into college, therefore the other few million or so are all suspect

The number grew a bit.


That's over the course of 10 years, so about 75 a year.  That's still 0.0025% of the college population.
 
2019-03-13 08:40:45 PM  
I'm a firm believer that as you work through the investor class, you stop being caught out for what you've done, and you start being caught out for who you've ticked off. That's going to be a big story in all this: how it came to pass that all these people ticked someone off big time. Or it could be that the coordinator of this scam ticked off the wrong person and these celebrities were just caught up in it. Guess we'll find out.
 
2019-03-13 08:55:25 PM  
So much for the "hard work" and "started with nothing" mantras of the well-off.
 
2019-03-13 09:03:41 PM  
Remember that these wealthy white folks were already up to their necks in the vicitm syndrome of "all of the poors and minorities are getting in because of affirmative action". Nevermind that their kids have a million opportunities that the disadvantaged don't have. So, in their minds it's actually leveling the playing field. Demented? Yes. But true.
 
2019-03-13 09:25:24 PM  
The fact that they didn't immediately flunk out says something about those "elite" colleges.
 
2019-03-13 10:02:29 PM  
6.5 mil to go to Georgetown? Give me a break.
 
2019-03-13 10:10:36 PM  
Why is this suddenly an issue? Everyone knows that rich people donate money to a school or help build an extra wing or get some senator to write some bullshiat letter of recommendation to get their kid into whatever school they want. It's been happening since schools were invented. All of a sudden it's some sort of scandal?
 
2019-03-13 10:12:30 PM  

Mugato: Why is this suddenly an issue? Everyone knows that rich people donate money to a school or help build an extra wing or get some senator to write some bullshiat letter of recommendation to get their kid into whatever school they want. It's been happening since schools were invented. All of a sudden it's some sort of scandal?


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2019-03-13 10:30:48 PM  

Mugato: Why is this suddenly an issue? Everyone knows that rich people donate money to a school or help build an extra wing or get some senator to write some bullshiat letter of recommendation to get their kid into whatever school they want. It's been happening since schools were invented. All of a sudden it's some sort of scandal?


Because it's almost time to storm the Bastille~
 
2019-03-13 10:33:03 PM  

MattytheMouse: Mugato: Why is this suddenly an issue? Everyone knows that rich people donate money to a school or help build an extra wing or get some senator to write some bullshiat letter of recommendation to get their kid into whatever school they want. It's been happening since schools were invented. All of a sudden it's some sort of scandal?

Because it's almost time to storm the Bastille~


Yeah I'm sure everyone will get around to that any day now.
 
2019-03-13 10:37:00 PM  

Mugato: MattytheMouse: Mugato: Why is this suddenly an issue? Everyone knows that rich people donate money to a school or help build an extra wing or get some senator to write some bullshiat letter of recommendation to get their kid into whatever school they want. It's been happening since schools were invented. All of a sudden it's some sort of scandal?

Because it's almost time to storm the Bastille~

Yeah I'm sure everyone will get around to that any day now.


You just watch! I've already booked a flight to France. The Bastille won't know what hit it!
 
2019-03-13 10:51:20 PM  
The very fact that Donald Trump and his son both graduated is a testament to the power of the checkbook.

My first semester, my roomie got a .56GPA. In fairness, his girlfriend got a .24*. Yes, that IS a decimal place before the numbers. Taber's Dad donated a whole lot to the Alumni Association, and Tab got a second semester. He then got a semester at Baylor bought and paid for. I don't remember where he eventually wound up, but his folks, they were doubtless there with the checkbook...

*His girlfriend, while cute as heck, did NOT have rich parents, so she went back home, and got a job, and then went back to school with a far different attitude than "Smokin' weed, smokin' weed. Doin' coke, drinkin' beers. Drinkin' beers, beers beers. Rollin' fatties, smokin' blunts." SHE became a guidance counselor as I recall.
 
2019-03-13 11:28:13 PM  
Manafort gets a slap on the wrist, brock turner gets the same.  parents bribe schools to make sure their kids get an advantage they didn't earn.  cops are flat out murdering brown people and getting away with it.  Trump passes massive tax cuts for the rich and sticks the rest of america with the bill.

its impossible to ignore the evidence any longer - something is seriously broken with our country.
 
2019-03-13 11:38:01 PM  

EvilEgg: The fact that they didn't immediately flunk out says something about those "elite" colleges.


The idea that it's harder to get into elite schools than it is to graduate from them is something of a conventional wisdom.

The walls to get in are high, but once you're in, they want you to do well.
 
2019-03-13 11:47:10 PM  

Mugato: Why is this suddenly an issue? Everyone knows that rich people donate money to a school or help build an extra wing or get some senator to write some bullshiat letter of recommendation to get their kid into whatever school they want. It's been happening since schools were invented. All of a sudden it's some sort of scandal?


I think the whole 'organized bribery' thing crossed a line.  for what little its worth - my read on this stuff is that for whatever reason, the rich people bribery stuff has gone over the top insanely crazy.  there used to be a sort of unwritten rule about how far you could go or how hard you could push to get your average intelligence spawnling into a great school.  it was only the really tacky people who did the tacky bribes and heavy handed stuff everyone knew they were gonna do anyways.  it was despicable but as long as it wasn't pervasive it was....well, tolerated I guess.  That seems to have changed over the past couple of years tho.  now the rich people are just flat out bribing everyone to the point where they're setting up fake charities to launder the bribe cash.  its not that its 'new', its that the corruption has finally gotten SO bad that nobody can ignore it anymore.
 
2019-03-13 11:49:39 PM  

Weaver95: Manafort gets a slap on the wrist, brock turner gets the same.  parents bribe schools to make sure their kids get an advantage they didn't earn.  cops are flat out murdering brown people and getting away with it.  Trump passes massive tax cuts for the rich and sticks the rest of america with the bill.

its impossible to ignore the evidence any longer - something is seriously broken with our country.


No shiat, Weav.

/just teasing, a lot of us have known that for decades
 
2019-03-13 11:52:39 PM  

Kittypie070: Weaver95: Manafort gets a slap on the wrist, brock turner gets the same.  parents bribe schools to make sure their kids get an advantage they didn't earn.  cops are flat out murdering brown people and getting away with it.  Trump passes massive tax cuts for the rich and sticks the rest of america with the bill.

its impossible to ignore the evidence any longer - something is seriously broken with our country.

No shiat, Weav.

/just teasing, a lot of us have known that for decades


just....lining it up in my head is all, ya know?

and for the record - once this discussion goes live I very much expect there to be people who will show up to argue that there's nothing wrong, we're not a racist society and that the rich elites don't have any sort of unfair advantage of the rest of us.  gotta protect the mythology after all.
 
2019-03-14 12:03:01 AM  

hubiestubert: The very fact that Donald Trump and his son both graduated is a testament to the power of the checkbook.

My first semester, my roomie got a .56GPA. In fairness, his girlfriend got a .24*. Yes, that IS a decimal place before the numbers. Taber's Dad donated a whole lot to the Alumni Association, and Tab got a second semester. He then got a semester at Baylor bought and paid for. I don't remember where he eventually wound up, but his folks, they were doubtless there with the checkbook...

*His girlfriend, while cute as heck, did NOT have rich parents, so she went back home, and got a job, and then went back to school with a far different attitude than "Smokin' weed, smokin' weed. Doin' coke, drinkin' beers. Drinkin' beers, beers beers. Rollin' fatties, smokin' blunts." SHE became a guidance counselor as I recall.


What I assume the girlfriend and your roommate looked like:
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2019-03-14 12:08:22 AM  
As an aside, the only people I feel sorry for in all this is the kids - both sets of kids.  the kids who lost out on a spot in these schools because the rich parents bribed schools AND the kids of the rich parents.

its pretty clear that most (if not all) these parents didn't tell their kids what they'd done to make sure junior got into a good school.  each one of those kids is going to have this scandal hanging over their heads for the rest of their lives.  they won't ever be trusted, or respected.  everyone's just gonna assume they had mommy and daddy buy their alleged victories in life for them...that's a very subtle form of destruction.  it'll f*ck up those kids for a long time, personally AND career wise.

Loughlin's kid got bounced off the rich people yacht she was vacationing on and sent back home in shame when this story broke.  I mean yeah, its a laughable situation - pretty and rich white girl humiliated.  But I gotta wonder what that girl is going thru.  She didn't know her mother was bribing people, she's out there being a bog standard teenager, this scandal breaks and now CNN is trawling her social media accounts and splattering her blog posts across the nation and saying she's a vapid wastoid who won't ever get anywhere in life 'cause she's too stupid to survive without her mommy's money to protect her.  while I think Loughlin  should go to jail, I don't think we should be holding her kid up as a co-conspirator.

this is perhaps not going to be a popular opinion...but I just don't like punishing kids for the sins and crimes of the parents.
 
2019-03-14 12:15:32 AM  
I don't really understand this issue.  Are we talking about private for-profit institutions making decisions based on profit?  Is there something wrong with Harvard accepting someone as a student in exchange for an endowment?
 
2019-03-14 12:16:51 AM  

Mugato: Why is this suddenly an issue? Everyone knows that rich people donate money to a school or help build an extra wing or get some senator to write some bullshiat letter of recommendation to get their kid into whatever school they want. It's been happening since schools were invented. All of a sudden it's some sort of scandal?


I was thinking about this myself.  I think it comes down to two factors: honesty and the greater good.  For the first, everyone knows what's going on when somebody with a 15 year old kid buys the school a new library.  It's bribery, yes, but at least no one's realistically trying to hide the fact that the kid got in for a reason other than merit.  These parents committed bribes so that they could pretend for the world that their kids got in on merit.  I would also add that photoshopping their kids' faces onto the bodies of real HS athletes was a shiat move that I hope can be prosecuted for identity theft.

For the second factor, bribes that fund a scholarship or add academic facilities do some larger good beyond enriching the individual receiving the bribe.  At least other students will be able to use the new library or science labs.  The bribes in this case only went toward helping certain corrupt university officials buy nicer cars or whatever.  In other words, it's the difference between bribing the institution and bribing the individual.
 
2019-03-14 12:20:54 AM  
From a Pac-12 standpoint, if this results in the firing of Larry Scott, it was totally worth it.
 
2019-03-14 12:21:01 AM  
We'll just go ahead and ignore all the shenanigans that college athletics has been pulling for generations....except usually the money goes the other way...
 
2019-03-14 12:21:03 AM  
Just because I didn't earn it doesn't mean I don't deserve it.
 
2019-03-14 12:21:13 AM  

Krieghund: hubiestubert: The very fact that Donald Trump and his son both graduated is a testament to the power of the checkbook.

My first semester, my roomie got a .56GPA. In fairness, his girlfriend got a .24*. Yes, that IS a decimal place before the numbers. Taber's Dad donated a whole lot to the Alumni Association, and Tab got a second semester. He then got a semester at Baylor bought and paid for. I don't remember where he eventually wound up, but his folks, they were doubtless there with the checkbook...

*His girlfriend, while cute as heck, did NOT have rich parents, so she went back home, and got a job, and then went back to school with a far different attitude than "Smokin' weed, smokin' weed. Doin' coke, drinkin' beers. Drinkin' beers, beers beers. Rollin' fatties, smokin' blunts." SHE became a guidance counselor as I recall.

What I assume the girlfriend and your roommate looked like:
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2019-03-14 12:21:40 AM  
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2019-03-14 12:22:00 AM  
The US has never been much of a meritocracy. Unless pirates and slavers have merit
 
2019-03-14 12:22:46 AM  

Weaver95: its pretty clear that most (if not all) these parents didn't tell their kids what they'd done to make sure junior got into a good school.


I don't know about that.  In at least 1 of the cases I read about, the mom ordered water polo gear off Amazon for a photo shoot in the backyard pool---and the kid never played water polo.  If he DIDN'T know what was going on, well....then let's just say he REALLY didn't deserve to get into college.  You also had kids who were given fake "learning disabled" certifications and got to take the ACT/SAT by themselves, rather than with all the other kids at their school.  How would they have not been suspicious?  Did they really believe they just so happened to be diagnosed with a disability by a doctor they'd never met in their lives?

I'm sure a few were caught completely by surprise, and I feel bad for them.  But I bet quite a few were active participants, and others must have been REAL suspicious.  These parents were acting really farking weird, and kids have radar for knowing when their parents are being weird.
 
2019-03-14 12:23:12 AM  

Dr.Fey: I don't really understand this issue.  Are we talking about private for-profit institutions making decisions based on profit?  Is there something wrong with Harvard accepting someone as a student in exchange for an endowment?


It wasn't Harvard, it was individuals who worked for Harvard cashing in, and apparently playing tax shenanigans so their personal graft was claimed as tax deductible for the folks bribing them. Don't fark with the IRS, even the anemic, starved shell of an IRS we have at the moment.
 
2019-03-14 12:23:27 AM  

NewportBarGuy: You can still be anything you want in any country. You just have to have money and bribe people. Or you can sleep with them.

Being white helps.


Ftfy
 
2019-03-14 12:23:37 AM  
It's old money vs new money. Old money bribes are legal, new money ain't. But what really sets them apart is that old money legal bribes are way, WAY bigger than this stuff. These folks got in trouble b/c it was the equivalent of throwing crumpled dollar bills on the ground and making the receiver stoop down to pick up the dirty money.
 
2019-03-14 12:24:14 AM  
It is not what you know. It's not even who you know. It's what daycare center you parents sign you up for three years before you are born. Unless you are born rich, of course, in which case it's still all about how much your grandfather or your great grandmother's daddy had.
 
2019-03-14 12:25:49 AM  
FTA: Meanwhile, the rest of America's families haven't got the time or money for the helicopter bills, they are much more likely to find themselves in single-parenting situations, and they have longer commutes from neighborhoods with less desirable schools. They are the ones who are counting on public schools to prepare their children for the future, and on colleges to give their children a chance to do good things. And they are the ones that this system, and the 9.9 percent, is shafting on an epic scale.

This; a thousand times, this.

Some, but not all the pressure would be relieved by provision of universal undergrad. There would still be insane competition to get into big name schools. But, at least, the pressure financial pressure would be lessened somewhat.

But, n-o-o-o, we can't have universal undergrad because Liz Cheney and Erik Prince think we don't spend enough money on defense.
 
2019-03-14 12:26:46 AM  
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2019-03-14 12:27:38 AM  
American meritocracy is a myth, and the elites have rigged the entire system in their favor

No sh*t, Sherlock.

How the f*ck do you think black people feel?
 
2019-03-14 12:28:05 AM  

Trocadero: It's old money vs new money. Old money bribes are legal, new money ain't. But what really sets them apart is that old money legal bribes are way, WAY bigger than this stuff. These folks got in trouble b/c it was the equivalent of throwing crumpled dollar bills on the ground and making the receiver stoop down to pick up the dirty money.


Legacies. Legacies of Evil. Next on the Saturday NIght Made for TV Movie of the Week.

With a cameo by Elivira, Mistress of the Dark. She's in the movie.

Don't get your hopes up, she plays Cassandra Petersen trying out for the role of Head Mistress of Yale.

Born September 17, 1951. She's a redhead, you know.
 
2019-03-14 12:28:25 AM  

Weaver95: As an aside, the only people I feel sorry for in all this is the kids - both sets of kids.  the kids who lost out on a spot in these schools because the rich parents bribed schools AND the kids of the rich parents.

its pretty clear that most (if not all) these parents didn't tell their kids what they'd done to make sure junior got into a good school.  each one of those kids is going to have this scandal hanging over their heads for the rest of their lives.  they won't ever be trusted, or respected.  everyone's just gonna assume they had mommy and daddy buy their alleged victories in life for them...that's a very subtle form of destruction.  it'll f*ck up those kids for a long time, personally AND career wise.

Loughlin's kid got bounced off the rich people yacht she was vacationing on and sent back home in shame when this story broke.  I mean yeah, its a laughable situation - pretty and rich white girl humiliated.  But I gotta wonder what that girl is going thru.  She didn't know her mother was bribing people, she's out there being a bog standard teenager, this scandal breaks and now CNN is trawling her social media accounts and splattering her blog posts across the nation and saying she's a vapid wastoid who won't ever get anywhere in life 'cause she's too stupid to survive without her mommy's money to protect her.  while I think Loughlin  should go to jail, I don't think we should be holding her kid up as a co-conspirator.

this is perhaps not going to be a popular opinion...but I just don't like punishing kids for the sins and crimes of the parents.


Uh, what?

No. I don't give a damn. These people and their genefreak spawn ought to be shunned everywhere they go.
 
2019-03-14 12:29:51 AM  
Once you hit a certain level, there is only a marginal difference in "qualifications" between those who get in and those who don't. Most of the elite universities have already acknowledged that it's pretty arbitrary at this point, as academic and other historic measures are being met by more applicants than they have openings. And as time goes on, the deference to the children of alumni will further restrict the remaining pool. Perhaps these universities would be better served by a "once you hit this level, it's a lottery" approach.
 
2019-03-14 12:30:01 AM  

Weaver95: this is perhaps not going to be a popular opinion...but I just don't like punishing kids for the sins and crimes of the parents.


At least in some of the cases, the kids-of-payola knew exactly the fark what was going on.
 
2019-03-14 12:31:46 AM  

Sid_6.7: American meritocracy is a myth, and the elites have rigged the entire system in their favor

No sh*t, Sherlock.

How the f*ck do you think black people feel?


If we can convince a whole bunch of lower-, lower-middle-, and middle-class white people that the kind of shiatting on they're experiencing here is what minorities experience ALL THE TIME, we could finally make real progress on racism. THIS is what having the system rigged against you feels like.  And it feels real shiatty, doesn't it?
 
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