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(Inside Higher Ed)   Duke sucks the life out of regional light rail project   (insidehighered.com) divider line
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612 clicks; posted to Business » on 13 Mar 2019 at 9:50 PM (7 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2019-03-13 07:51:00 PM  
The Blue Devil's in the details.
 
2019-03-13 10:51:33 PM  
You know that town-and-gown animosity that existed during their lacrosse scandal? How locals were so willing to believe their guilt despite their innocence because they're Duke students? Yeah, shiat like this is why.
 
2019-03-13 10:57:58 PM  
Light rail would be a huge benefit to Duke students, Duke faculty, Duke staff, and Duke patients. Rejecting this plan is incredibly short-sighted.
 
2019-03-13 11:43:40 PM  
Interesting. Am I surprised they aren't being pilloried for environmental heresy.

Emory University is so desperate to get rail to its campus (this would also serve the main CDC building) that it negotiated to get itself annexed by the city of Atlanta. There were other reasons as well but they decided it was better to negotiate with the city than Dekalb county.

We will see.  The spur to Emory is currently on the list of the next big project spending group but the Beltline group wants more of the pie. Nothing like local politics to restore your faith in humanity
 
2019-03-14 12:48:52 AM  
Nothing makes city planning wonks harder than "light rail."
 
6 days ago  
The President of Duke University is Vincent Price? Figures. It's always the last man on Earth.

/ Phibes!
 
TWX
6 days ago  

Fano: Nothing makes city planning wonks harder than "light rail."


Heh. I don't hate light rail, but I can't deny a certain dissatisfaction for a not-entirely-grade-separate system that takes away essentially four lanes (when accounting for each direction now having its own separate left turn lanes) and is still regularly affected by automobile traffic when there are collisions in intersections that it crosses.

When they built the initial system here in the Phoenix area it was incredibly disruptive to local business along the line. Like, massive numbers of closings kind of disruptive. Like they should've just closed the street and installed a cut-and-cover subway instead kind of disruptive.

Ironically the city that resisted it the longest, Mesa, is best equipped to install it where it's less disruptive, going out along the route that used to be the confluence of US 60, 70, and 80 back in the day before the freeways were built and the alignments changed, but they're stopping right before they reach that wide open area.

/damn those Simpsons writers
//they managed to destroy monorail as an acceptable concept with one episode
 
6 days ago  
FTFA:
"This isn't about patient safety. It's about a rich private university that doesn't want its harvest of health-care dollars inconvenienced by a major improvement in the region's infrastructure."

Sounds about right.
 
6 days ago  

TheOtherPrefect42: Interesting. Am I surprised they aren't being pilloried for environmental heresy.

Emory University is so desperate to get rail to its campus (this would also serve the main CDC building) that it negotiated to get itself annexed by the city of Atlanta. There were other reasons as well but they decided it was better to negotiate with the city than Dekalb county.

We will see.  The spur to Emory is currently on the list of the next big project spending group but the Beltline group wants more of the pie. Nothing like local politics to restore your faith in humanity


When it comes to mass transit, there really ought to be more pie. I favor taking pie away from the likes of Erik Prince and his merry band of mercenaries and giving that pie to transit.
 
6 days ago  

Fano: Nothing makes city planning wonks harder than "light rail."


If the light rail project is not viable without being in the middle of one university, maybe that light rail service is not really needed by the city.
 
6 days ago  

CrazyCurt: The President of Duke University is Vincent Price? Figures. It's always the last man on Earth.


You would think he'd go by Vince or Vinny or Vin... hell, even Max (appropriate given Duke's tuition).
 
6 days ago  

TWX: Fano: Nothing makes city planning wonks harder than "light rail."

Heh. I don't hate light rail, but I can't deny a certain dissatisfaction for a not-entirely-grade-separate system that takes away essentially four lanes (when accounting for each direction now having its own separate left turn lanes) and is still regularly affected by automobile traffic when there are collisions in intersections that it crosses.

When they built the initial system here in the Phoenix area it was incredibly disruptive to local business along the line. Like, massive numbers of closings kind of disruptive. Like they should've just closed the street and installed a cut-and-cover subway instead kind of disruptive.

Ironically the city that resisted it the longest, Mesa, is best equipped to install it where it's less disruptive, going out along the route that used to be the confluence of US 60, 70, and 80 back in the day before the freeways were built and the alignments changed, but they're stopping right before they reach that wide open area.

/damn those Simpsons writers
//they managed to destroy monorail as an acceptable concept with one episode


If project planners are honest, rail that is mostly in-street and gets stuck in traffic is called a "streetcar" and not "light rail".  Streetcars are dumb, because they have no advantage to the passenger over a bus route.  Light rail should be at least mostly separated from traffic (either below grade, above grade, or with a dedicated right of way with freight train like barriers).  Now, it doesn't have to be 100% separated, but it should at least be mostly separate.  For example, three of Los Angeles' currently operating four light rail lines all have some street running, and they are quite successful (the Blue Line is the most heavily used light rail line in the entire country, with passenger loads comparable to some NYC subway lines).  In fact, the one all-elevated line (the Green Line) is the least used of the four.
 
6 days ago  

WelldeadLink: Fano: Nothing makes city planning wonks harder than "light rail."

If the light rail project is not viable without being in the middle of one university, maybe that light rail service is not really needed by the city.


They city was counting on Duke donating some needed land in the middle of the project.  They can eminent domain it, but that increases costs and delays the project, especially if Duke sues.
 
TWX
6 days ago  

Geotpf: If project planners are honest, rail that is mostly in-street and gets stuck in traffic is called a "streetcar" and not "light rail". Streetcars are dumb, because they have no advantage to the passenger over a bus route. Light rail should be at least mostly separated from traffic (either below grade, above grade, or with a dedicated right of way with freight train like barriers). Now, it doesn't have to be 100% separated, but it should at least be mostly separate. For example, three of Los Angeles' currently operating four light rail lines all have some street running, and they are quite successful (the Blue Line is the most heavily used light rail line in the entire country, with passenger loads comparable to some NYC subway lines). In fact, the one all-elevated line (the Green Line) is the least used of the four.


Ours is mostly separate, portions running through Tempe didn't even use a major street alignment, but for most of the line it still has to cross at intersections subject to crashes. It's also problematic where portions run on one-way streets, the road ends up split down the middle and getting from side to side is very awkward.

But that's what happens when it's designed to replace a bus route rather than independently considered.
 
6 days ago  

Bruscar: Light rail would be a huge benefit to Duke students, Duke faculty, Duke staff, and Duke patients. Rejecting this plan is incredibly short-sighted.


Light rail can mean a lot of things.  Street cars are worse than buses
 
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