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(NBC News)   "Mr. Manafort spent his life advancing American ideals and principles." Defense team says quiet part aloud. Doesn't work, Manafort gets another 43 months in prison, or about the same amount as one count of voter fraud for a Texas woman   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2019-03-13 12:02:43 PM  
Judge: "There aren't really any exhibits or letters that go along with that."
 
2019-03-13 12:08:18 PM  
"If you don't count the criminal activity, he's a great guy"... "see, he's completely innocent of all these other crimes that he was never charged with, so you should go easy on him"... yadda yadda.
 
2019-03-13 12:10:31 PM  
Ideals and principles?

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2019-03-13 12:20:47 PM  
Still a stupidly light, white man white collar sentence.
 
2019-03-13 12:21:12 PM  
Sentence was still way too small.  If anyone else did anything like the crimes he committed, we wouldn't see the outside again the rest of our lives
 
2019-03-13 12:21:15 PM  
Well, it's not as short as my original prediction (in the other live thread), but my cynicism (realism) has basically been proven accurate once again. I'm either always right or pleasantly surprised. It was not the latter today.

And ya'll told me this judge was a farking hardass that was gonna throw the book at him.

Don't even one single one of you assholes accuse me of racism ever again when i mention the absolute adamant fact that rich, white conservatives get off easy on everything in the justice system, and not just in the US.
 
2019-03-13 12:21:16 PM  
In the defense's defense, Pauly and his criminal ilk in the GOP are trying to redefine American principles as corruption, coercion, and collusion with foreign dictators.
 
2019-03-13 12:21:19 PM  
Meh.....8 years is not a long time, frankly.   He'll get out in half that time for "good behavior".
 
2019-03-13 12:21:26 PM  
Is it served concurrently with his other sentence?
 
2019-03-13 12:21:42 PM  
Still not enough, but at least it appears to be consecutive rather than concurrent...
 
2019-03-13 12:21:42 PM  
One more trial and he'll achieve "black man driving without insurance"
 
2019-03-13 12:21:44 PM  
Paul Manafort gets the wealthy, white man privilege, discount.

Again.
 
2019-03-13 12:21:45 PM  
So less than half the possible 10 years. Sure. Cool.

I hope he dies in prison. Truly.
 
2019-03-13 12:22:05 PM  
Un-farking-believable.
 
2019-03-13 12:22:17 PM  

Hooferatheart: Ideals and principles?

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They may not be GOOD ideals and principles.  But they are there.
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2019-03-13 12:23:30 PM  

likefunbutnot: Is it served concurrently with his other sentence?


No, it is on top.
 
2019-03-13 12:23:37 PM  
And he still has 10 deadlocked charges to be re-tried on, and that's still before anything even slightly related to the Trump campaign's ties to Russia is tried.
 
2019-03-13 12:23:55 PM  

likefunbutnot: Is it served concurrently with his other sentence?


30 months of the 1 charge are concurrently, the rest is consecutive
 
2019-03-13 12:24:12 PM  
Concurrent sentences?
 
2019-03-13 12:24:38 PM  

BretMavrik: "If you don't count the criminal activity, he's a great guy"... "see, he's completely innocent of all these other crimes that he was never charged with, so you should go easy on him"... yadda yadda.


NO COLLUSION!
 
2019-03-13 12:24:50 PM  
Anyone have a link to her speech?
 
2019-03-13 12:24:57 PM  
Jesus farking Christ.

Fark this country and its separate rulesets for rich/white and non-rich/non-white.
 
2019-03-13 12:24:59 PM  

stevecore: Sentence was still way too small.  If anyone else did anything like the crimes he committed, we wouldn't see the outside again the rest of our lives


Wealthy people are the only ones who commit crimes like this so the sentence tends to be the same regardless
 
2019-03-13 12:25:24 PM  

raerae1980: Meh.....8 years is not a long time, frankly.   He'll get out in half that time for "good behavior".


Fed sentences don't work that way
 
2019-03-13 12:25:27 PM  
Concurrently...not consecutive. Bwhaahahaaa!
 
2019-03-13 12:25:28 PM  
Well, technically -- technically -- they're not wrong.

Greed. White supremacy. The rich being in charge of everything, regardless of actual competence or merit. Money being the most important thing, far more important than patriotism or loyalty to country or simple human decency or anything lame like that. Claiming to be a follower of Christ and his teachings while behaving unlike Christ in every single way.

Those are the "values" America has usually operated by, despite all the patriotic bullshiat you've ever heard or read.

You don't have to be a farking historian to see that, just a person with a functioning brain and halfway decent grasp of logic.
 
2019-03-13 12:25:28 PM  

MinatoArisato013: Hooferatheart: Ideals and principles?

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They may not be GOOD ideals and principles.  But they are there.
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Say what you want about the tenets of treason, at least it's an ethos.
 
2019-03-13 12:25:37 PM  
Manafort, 69, appeared before Jackson in a wheelchair


What a cock. Does he think people will feel sorry for him?
 
2019-03-13 12:25:37 PM  
Well, the bright side is that there's lots of stuff Manafort has done that he wasn't charged with... so in 2021, the new AG with the new administration can review and decide what to charge him with. Also he's committed a number of state level offenses, which will also hopefully be prosecuted as well.
 
2019-03-13 12:25:47 PM  
A total of five years in prison. This is Liddy/North/DeLay all over again. The fix is in.

I'm now fairly certain the rest of them will walk away. Some lower-level people might get light sentences.

This country is f*cked.
 
2019-03-13 12:26:44 PM  
Club Fed will be good prep for his upcoming stint at Rikers.
 
2019-03-13 12:26:45 PM  
Fed sentences have no parole. No early release. So 7 years and change.
 
2019-03-13 12:26:47 PM  
He added, "I know it was my conduct that brought me here today. For these mistakes, I am remorseful. I will be 70 years old in a few weeks. My wife is 66. She needs me. I need her. I ask you to think of this and our need for each other. Please do not take away from us away from each other. Please let me and my wife be together."

Dude's so much of an asshole that he's asking the judge to sentencing his wife to prison with him.

Also, the article didn't say explicitly - is this sentence consecutive to or concurrent with his other prison time?
 
2019-03-13 12:27:09 PM  

Scanty Em: A total of five years in prison. This is Liddy/North/DeLay all over again. The fix is in.

I'm now fairly certain the rest of them will walk away. Some lower-level people might get light sentences.

This country is f*cked.


The sheer amount of wrongness about the total sentence is starting to become a bit surreal.  What the fark people?
 
2019-03-13 12:27:39 PM  
It's alright as long as it's all white
 
2019-03-13 12:27:48 PM  

raerae1980: Meh.....8 years is not a long time, frankly.   He'll get out in half that time for "good behavior".


not in federal prison. best he can hope for is Club Fed and conjugal time with the House of Bijan catalog.
 
2019-03-13 12:28:07 PM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: raerae1980: Meh.....8 years is not a long time, frankly.   He'll get out in half that time for "good behavior".

Fed sentences don't work that way


Also...  trump will most likely pardon him for the Fed charges
 
2019-03-13 12:28:16 PM  
Lessee... 90 months total fed time, if he behaves himself he would still do at least 87% - 90% of that time... 6 years, 9 months guaranteed. Won't see free sunlight until he's almost 77 years old.

""I am sorry for what I have done and for all the activities that have gotten us here today," he said. "I stand here today to assure the court that I am a different person who stood before you in October of 2017."
Bullsh*t. Not long enough, but still good.
 
2019-03-13 12:28:52 PM  
This is an appropriate sentence under the guidelines, and Judge Jackson appears to have a functioning  bullshiat detector.

He should be spending more time in prison, but Judge Jackson could only sentence him on the crimes before the court. It's not her job to make up for the fact that the other judge didn't do his.

Although she did throw the book at him in one respect. She could have made the sentence in this case run concurrently with this sentence in the other. She elected not to do that. Overall, I think this was a good decision.
 
2019-03-13 12:29:00 PM  
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2019-03-13 12:29:02 PM  

Scanty Em: A total of five years in prison. This is Liddy/North/DeLay all over again. The fix is in.

I'm now fairly certain the rest of them will walk away. Some lower-level people might get light sentences.

This country is f*cked.


More and more I'm starting to believe the turning point for the complete collapse of American democracy is the pardon on Nixon and the cynical use of "unity" messaging by the GOP. Everything they have done in the last 50 years can be traced back to the precedent set by Watergate.
 
2019-03-13 12:29:16 PM  

mkelly1082: likefunbutnot: Is it served concurrently with his other sentence?

30 months of the 1 charge are concurrently, the rest is consecutive


There is no justice. Seriously, this is total BS.
 
2019-03-13 12:29:55 PM  
This sentence is long enough to put pressure on Trump to pardon Manafort. I say this because there are others involved in Trumps Russia clusterfark that are going to be facing prison time and are looking to see if Trump will pardon them or if they are going to be fed to the wolves. You can expect the floodgates to open for cooperating witnesses against Trump if he leaves Manafort out to dry.

On top of all of that New York State has charges ready to go since they don't believe that he has lived a blameless life so even if he's pardoned there's a real chance that he's going to be immediately rearrested and sentenced to a longer term on separate charges.

Trump can either let Manafort rot in prison and thereby encourage other co-conspirators to turn on him or pardon Manafort only to stir up an incredible shiatstorm that may end up with Manafort spending even more time in a state prison on different unpardonable (by Trump) charges.

TLDR: Trump is facing his own Kobayashi Maru scenario today.
 
2019-03-13 12:30:02 PM  

Captain Scratch: Fed sentences have no parole. No early release. So 7 years and change.


Concurrent...
 
2019-03-13 12:30:08 PM  
Glad to see this miscarriage of Justice was shoved back up in Justice's hoo-hah so it could be miscarried again.
 
2019-03-13 12:30:11 PM  

Enigmamf: And he still has 10 deadlocked charges to be re-tried on, and that's still before anything even slightly related to the Trump campaign's ties to Russia is tried.


Ah, so there's a possibility of more time yet?

He's 69 already has nearly 10 years with no possibility of parole. Dying in prison is a real possibility.
 
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2019-03-13 12:30:17 PM  
It's good to be rich in the USA.
 
2019-03-13 12:30:19 PM  
90 months so far - seemed that it was consecutive and not concurrent. Still not enough. He should've gotten the "underling to the drug kingpin" treatment.
 
2019-03-13 12:31:20 PM  

r8doman: Captain Scratch: Fed sentences have no parole. No early release. So 7 years and change.

Concurrent...


Alright Im farking out for now lol.  Is being wrong about the sentence a meme I am missing out on or some shiat?
 
d23 [BareFark]
2019-03-13 12:31:37 PM  

red230: Trump can either let Manafort rot in prison and thereby encourage other co-conspirators to turn on him or pardon Manafort only to stir up an incredible shiatstorm that may end up with Manafort spending even more time in a state prison on different unpardonable (by Trump) charges.

TLDR: Trump is facing his own Kobayashi Maru scenario today.


If Manafort gets pardoned can't he be forced to testify about EVERYTHING?  No self-incrimination then is possible...
 
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