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(National Bridge Inventory)   Don't take the bridge on I-10 in Lake Charles, LA because it is rated a 6.6 out of 100 by the National Bridge Inventory. The 2007 bridge collapse in Minneapolis had a rating of 50 when it collapsed. No snark, just look up the bridges in your area   (nationalbridges.com) divider line
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2019-03-13 11:18:36 AM  
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2019-03-13 11:25:42 AM  
Well that's not good.

At the very least you can take the 210 loop around it, though. So there's a backup.

But, man. If that bridge collapsed traffic would be backed up to f*cking Beaumont.
 
2019-03-13 12:06:55 PM  
Don't matter, I'll just jump the gap if it collapses.
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2019-03-13 12:08:29 PM  
Sounds like a bridge, troubled, over water.
 
2019-03-13 12:08:33 PM  
Um... what does a 0 rating mean?
 
2019-03-13 12:10:54 PM  
Whar bridge, Whar?

/in the water.
 
2019-03-13 12:11:28 PM  

rosy621: Um... what does a 0 rating mean?


It's part of Trump's infrastructure program?
 
2019-03-13 12:11:34 PM  
How am I suppose to find out my county's FIPS code if the FIPS code page is just a blank page?
 
2019-03-13 12:11:35 PM  
Wait, that's the bridge I live under.
WTF?
 
2019-03-13 12:12:12 PM  
Geez, I've driven across that bridge many times. No more, though. I'm sure the other bridges in this state are JUST fine. No worries. 😳
 
2019-03-13 12:14:17 PM  

Shostie: Well that's not good.

At the very least you can take the 210 loop around it, though. So there's a backup.

But, man. If that bridge collapsed traffic would be backed up to f*cking Beaumont.


Eh, that's just Friday after 4 PM.
 
2019-03-13 12:15:01 PM  

Shostie: Well that's not good.

At the very least you can take the 210 loop around it, though. So there's a backup.

But, man. If that bridge collapsed traffic would be backed up to f*cking Beaumont.


Hmm.  The last time I went through there (about six weeks ago) I was directed to take I-10 and avoid the loop, although I don't recall if it was google or road signs that were doing the (re-)directing.
 
2019-03-13 12:15:19 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: How am I suppose to find out my county's FIPS code if the FIPS code page is just a blank page?


just do a search on your state for the structurally deficient bridges...
 
2019-03-13 12:16:21 PM  
To Lake Charles Louisiana
Little Bessie, girl that I once knew
She told me just to come on by
If there's anything that she could do
 
2019-03-13 12:16:27 PM  
Some help, that site is. All the pages are blank.  Your tax dollars at work.
 
2019-03-13 12:16:50 PM  
lots and lots of railroad bridges in the list for PA.  lots and lots of chemicals using them... sleep safe Pittsburgh!
 
2019-03-13 12:17:12 PM  
This is what a declining empire looks like.
 
2019-03-13 12:17:55 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: This is what a declining empire looks like.


not really, has been this way since the 1930's.
 
2019-03-13 12:17:59 PM  
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Just sayin'
 
2019-03-13 12:18:27 PM  
Near my house (Northern Suburbs of Kansas City Mo), they have go to taking bridges down to one lane, but putting the perminate cones down.   That way the rules change and (Ta-Da) now it is a "safe" bridge.

Mostly small bridges on 2 lane black tops.
 
2019-03-13 12:19:26 PM  
The US Department of Transportation estimates there's a backlog of $836 billion worth of investments needed just to improve our highways, Interstate system, and bridges across the US.

So....about 10% of the military budget for 10 years.
 
2019-03-13 12:21:43 PM  

Bowen: The US Department of Transportation estimates there's a backlog of $836 billion worth of investments needed just to improve our highways, Interstate system, and bridges across the US.

So....about 10% of the military budget for 10 years.


But don't you dare raise any taxes to pay for this!

like California did... i still hear the whining. :)
 
2019-03-13 12:22:03 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: How am I suppose to find out my county's FIPS code if the FIPS code page is just a blank page?


https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/wps/portal/​n​rcs/detail/national/home/?cid=nrcs143_​013697
 
2019-03-13 12:23:19 PM  
I have work in Lake Charles tomorrow, good to know.
 
2019-03-13 12:25:40 PM  

Earthworm Jim Jones: I have work in Lake Charles tomorrow, good to know.


Whenever I read "Lake Charles" I hear it in Lucinda Williams voice. :)
 
2019-03-13 12:26:41 PM  

Earthworm Jim Jones: I have work in Lake Charles tomorrow, good to know.


Check out Seafood Palace if you get a chance.
 
2019-03-13 12:27:04 PM  
The only 2 near me or which I regularly travel near which were rated under 40 were both replaced last year, which is good.
 
2019-03-13 12:29:13 PM  
In fairness, I doubt the Minneapolis bridge would have been rated a 50 if the inspectors realized that it was incompetently designed, and unsafe from the moment it was opened.  I assume these ratings are just judging apparent deterioration compared to new, not assessing the absolute strength and durability of the bridge as it is now.
 
2019-03-13 12:29:58 PM  
I have risked my life on that crap bridge many times just to get to Seafood Palace in Lake Charles. I will continue to do so.
I had no idea that palace meant tiny diner but this place is absolute heaven.
https://m.zmenu.com/seafood-palace-la​k​e-charles-online-menu/
 
2019-03-13 12:31:03 PM  

Scar4711: But don't you dare raise any taxes to pay for this!

like California did... i still hear the whining. :)


The problem was the politicians took money from the road funds, then cried (correctly) they needed more money for road repairs.  Buncha bastards in Sacto.
 
2019-03-13 12:31:34 PM  

rosy621: Um... what does a 0 rating mean?


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2019-03-13 12:32:24 PM  
Below that bridge is a whole lot of swamp and bayou.
When that sucker goes, a bunch of folk are gonna become alligator chow.
 
2019-03-13 12:32:52 PM  
Meh................6.6 is a luxury.  The bridge near my house that I take to work every day is a 2, and it looks every bit of it.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2019-03-13 12:33:08 PM  
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This bridge in Michigan scored a 0 - I would take care driving under it...
 
2019-03-13 12:33:12 PM  

rosy621: Um... what does a 0 rating mean?


She'll be the prettiest, skinniest bridge there. Everyone will be jealous. She's worked hard for this.
 
2019-03-13 12:33:30 PM  
why do all the bridges on the list for my state say "Structurally Deficient", even the ones with high scores(90+)?
 
2019-03-13 12:34:04 PM  
Using the 35W bridge rated condition as a bench mark for failure is kind of dishonest.  In the case of 35W there was some minor corrosion noted in the last inspection, but it was not considered a significant contributor to the collapse (in other words the bridge did not collapse because it was in poor condition).  It collapsed because of a design flaw that led to it's actual load capacity not matching its rated load capacity.

From wikipedia:
The primary cause of the collapse was the undersized gusset plates, at 0.5 inches (13 mm) thick. Contributing to that design or construction error was the fact that 2 inches (51 mm) of concrete had been added to the road surface over the years, increasing the static load by 20%. Another factor was the extraordinary weight of construction equipment and material resting on the bridge just above its weakest point at the time of the collapse. That load was estimated at 578,000 pounds (262 tonnes), consisting of sand, water and vehicles. The NTSB determined that corrosion was not a significant contributor, but that inspectors did not routinely check that safety features were functional.[130]
 
2019-03-13 12:35:08 PM  

FlippityFlap: rosy621: Um... what does a 0 rating mean?

It's part of Trump's infrastructure program?


Does that mean it's Obamas fault that my town had a massive sinkhole that shutdown the main intersection of town for 2.5 years during his presidency? Cause it got fixed shortly after Trump took office, so for me, Trumps infrastructure plan has been great!

/that's how this works, right?
 
2019-03-13 12:37:55 PM  
I've been on this one many times but not recently.

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2019-03-13 12:38:26 PM  
asciibaron - Metaluna Mutant: This is what a declining empire looks like.

not really, has been this way since the 1930's


Nobody said it was a rapid decline...
 
2019-03-13 12:38:45 PM  
After looking around at some other bridges, it seems sufficiency rating doesn't mean shiat in terms of actual bridge stability. There are many bridges with low/failing scores that, while being rated fair to good on structural stability, simply lack guardrails that meet modern standards.

That being said, the I-10 Lake Charles bridge has a rating of "serious condition" for each of deck, superstructure, and substructure.

There are also bridges where the categorical ratings don't seem to back the overall assessment. I have no idea what's up on the following bridge. Any ideas?

State:LA
Place Name:Metairie
County:Jefferson
NBI Structure Number:022630003901061
Route Sign Prefix:County Highway
Facility Carried:'CITY STREET
Feature Intersected:'CANAL NO.3
Location:'0.5 MI.N.OF I-10
Year Built:1960
Status:Structurally Deficient
RecordType:Roadway is carried ON the structure
Level of Service:Mainline roadway
Owner:County Highway Agency
Highway Agency District:02
Maintenance Responsibility:County Highway Agency
Functional Class:Local, Urban
Service On Bridge:Highway
Service Under Bridge:Waterway
Latitude:30 00 18.00 N
Longitude:90 10 36.00 W
Material Design:Concrete
Design Construction:Tee Beam
Approach Material Design:Other
Approach Design Construction:Other
Structure Length (m):18.0
Approach Roadway Width (m):14
Lanes on Structure:2
Average Daily Traffic:10000
Year of Average Daily Traffic:1979
Design Load:M 13.5
Scour:Bridge foundations determined to be stable for the assessed or calculated scour condition.
Bridge Railings:Meet currently acceptable standards.
Historical Significance:Bridge is not eligible for the National Register of Historic Places.
# of Spans in Main Structure:3
Bridge Median:No Median
StructureFlared:No flare
Transitions:Meets currently acceptable standards.
Approach Guardrail:Meets currently acceptable standards.
Approach Guardrail Ends:Meets currently acceptable standards.
Navigation Control:No Navigation Control on waterway (bridge permit not required).
Structure Open?:Posted for Load.
Deck:Fair Condition
Superstructure:Fair Condition
Substructure:Good Condition
Structural Evaluation:Basically intolerable requiring high priority of replacement
Sufficiency Rating (%):7.7
 
2019-03-13 12:41:01 PM  

Tater1337: why do all the bridges on the list for my state say "Structurally Deficient", even the ones with high scores(90+)?


They are structurally sound but insufficient for the current usage level or lack features which are required for modern road standards (shoulder size, crash containment, etc).
 
2019-03-13 12:41:03 PM  

Shostie: Well that's not good.

At the very least you can take the 210 loop around it, though. So there's a backup.

But, man. If that bridge collapsed traffic would be backed up to f*cking Beaumont, Kansas.


FTFY
 
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2019-03-13 12:41:30 PM  
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This one is horrendous
 
2019-03-13 12:41:38 PM  
I-80 bridge in Joliet, Il. Soon to be a diving board into the DesPlaines River.
Joliet infrastructure...I 80
 
2019-03-13 12:43:20 PM  
Today I discovered that I won't be driving on I-40 in Southwest Arkansas. Eeesh.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2019-03-13 12:44:47 PM  

olrasputin: ...


Yeah the components can all be good but the bridge may still be at risk of failure - think of it like a chain hanging across a valley, if all but one link is rusted and about to fail, you wouldn't say the whole thing is corroded, it's only a small part - but unfortunately it's a key part so if that goes the whole structure goes. Same principle.
 
2019-03-13 12:45:43 PM  
The data is 3 years old (2016). So, take it for what it's worth.
 
2019-03-13 12:46:25 PM  
I'm not convinced that database is complete. Thre are only 267 bridges listed in Virginia, and 156 of them are in the same county.
 
2019-03-13 12:47:09 PM  

olrasputin: 022630003901061


Replacement of bridge or other structure because of substandard load carrying capacity or substandard bridge roadway geometry. source

Basically it's not up to carrying the kinds of truck traffic that would be normally expected to be able to cross a state highway.
 
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