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2019-03-13 11:17:58 AM  
Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.
 
2019-03-13 11:43:42 AM  
I ask myself this question every day.

/JK, love you Mom!
 
2019-03-13 11:44:44 AM  
"Your mom's."
 
2019-03-13 11:46:40 AM  

Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.


It is apartheid. Always has been.  I'd be interested to hear from someone (who isn't on a spittle flecked rant) as to why the US doesn't treat them like we treated South Africa over this.  And don't give me stability in the region, because we all know Israel is not a stabilizing Force. Don't give me the idea that they are our best allies, because we know that's not true, too. They spy on us incessantly and work against our interests. In all my years of trying to find this out, I have never heard a cogent argument as to why we should be so accommodating of Israel.
 
2019-03-13 02:06:22 PM  
My mother and father's, of course.
 
2019-03-13 02:06:31 PM  
The Virgin Mother Mary.

That's right. I'm Jesus.

None of you were expecting that were you?

And no, I didn't die for you. I did it for the lolz.
 
2019-03-13 02:06:38 PM  

The_Sponge: "Your mom's."


CSB...
 
2019-03-13 02:09:00 PM  
*plays 'block Tats' card*
 
2019-03-13 02:09:28 PM  

Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.


Apartheid is as apartheid does.
 
2019-03-13 02:10:06 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: My mother and father's, of course.


Your mother and father's vagina.

How would that.. ?

Would it be like this?
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2019-03-13 02:10:17 PM  

Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.


well this is what Jesus was all about, denying everyone but select people into your home.

Wait..they killed Jesus.  Nevermind.
 
2019-03-13 02:10:25 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.

It is apartheid. Always has been.  I'd be interested to hear from someone (who isn't on a spittle flecked rant) as to why the US doesn't treat them like we treated South Africa over this.  And don't give me stability in the region, because we all know Israel is not a stabilizing Force. Don't give me the idea that they are our best allies, because we know that's not true, too. They spy on us incessantly and work against our interests. In all my years of trying to find this out, I have never heard a cogent argument as to why we should be so accommodating of Israel.


The US didn't treat South Africa with anything but support and affection until international and internal pressure changed things. Many GOP members in the Reagan years were big fans. Also big fans during those years? Israel.
 
2019-03-13 02:11:29 PM  
This is my main complaint about Israel.

Now, note that many majority Muslim nations discriminate against non-Muslims, so Israel isn't alone here in this regard.  But we shouldn't pretend that Israel is something special, or even that they are a proper democratic republic.
 
2019-03-13 02:14:03 PM  

Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.


Well thats because they are not similar situations.  One involves brown/black people, the other involves our only way of getting into heaven.  Now do you see why treating the black man with any form of respect is bad and will prevent us from going to heaven?  Its why we burn crosses on lawns, to let them know that they are evil.

/s
//I feel dirty for having typed that
 
2019-03-13 02:14:41 PM  
Well, Mr. Amjad Iraqi.... [polite condescending chuckle] if that is really your real name. What a rather anti-Semitic article that was.
 
2019-03-13 02:15:04 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.

It is apartheid. Always has been.  I'd be interested to hear from someone (who isn't on a spittle flecked rant) as to why the US doesn't treat them like we treated South Africa over this.  And don't give me stability in the region, because we all know Israel is not a stabilizing Force. Don't give me the idea that they are our best allies, because we know that's not true, too. They spy on us incessantly and work against our interests. In all my years of trying to find this out, I have never heard a cogent argument as to why we should be so accommodating of Israel.


Be careful, you'll get yourself labelled an anti-Semite, especially since you didn't mention how bad the Muslim majority countries are as well. I won't label you that, but unfortunately, that's how most discussions of Israel end up in this country.
 
2019-03-13 02:15:05 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The US didn't treat South Africa with anything but support and affection until international and internal pressure changed things. Many GOP members in the Reagan years were big fans. Also big fans during those years? Israel.


Israel developed nuclear weapons with the help and cooperation of apartheid South Africa.
 
2019-03-13 02:16:09 PM  
This is a difficult conversation to have because of actual terrorists who don't think Israel has a right to exist, and Nazis/Trump supporters who are genuine "Jews control everything" anti-Semites, but the fact of the matter is that bad Israeli policy shouldn't get a pass just because anti-Semites exist.

All that being said, unfortunately America no longer has any moral authority at all, so we really don't have a right to tell anyone what to do. At best any expression of disappointment needs to be just that, and also couched with an acknowledgement of our own numerous failures.
 
2019-03-13 02:16:13 PM  
And I could put a theatre at risk of losing state funding if I promote a play describing Israel's independence as a Nakba, or catastrophe, for the Palestinian people.


I guess she couldn't do a play about Gold Meir's life: As the head of the Jewish Agency Political Department, Meir called the mass exodus of Arabs before the War of Independence in 1948 "dreadful", and she likened it to what had befallen the Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Golda_Me​ir
 
2019-03-13 02:16:34 PM  

Pincy: Benevolent Misanthrope: Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.

It is apartheid. Always has been.  I'd be interested to hear from someone (who isn't on a spittle flecked rant) as to why the US doesn't treat them like we treated South Africa over this.  And don't give me stability in the region, because we all know Israel is not a stabilizing Force. Don't give me the idea that they are our best allies, because we know that's not true, too. They spy on us incessantly and work against our interests. In all my years of trying to find this out, I have never heard a cogent argument as to why we should be so accommodating of Israel.

Be careful, you'll get yourself labelled an anti-Semite, especially since you didn't mention how bad the Muslim majority countries are as well. I won't label you that, but unfortunately, that's how most discussions of Israel end up in this country.


fark Israel.  fark them long.  fark them hard.  And fark them sideways.
 
2019-03-13 02:16:47 PM  
Yes, but Israel is a special case, so that means their racial paranoia and militaristic drang nach osten into the lebensraum currently inhabited by Palestinian untermensch is completely fine and something America should get behind with billions of dollars in aid, anti-boycott laws, and a foreign policy dictated around our shielding them from neighboring aggressors.
 
2019-03-13 02:18:32 PM  
any Jew in the world, however, can fly into Ben Gurion airport and become a citizen.

Well, not really.
 
2019-03-13 02:19:35 PM  
 ♬ I'm coming out so you better get apartheid started ♬

~ traditional song celebrating ultra-orthodox births.
 
2019-03-13 02:19:54 PM  
Israel gets $3 billion from the United States and provides universal health care including abortions free on demand.
 
2019-03-13 02:20:01 PM  
I won't play Sun City Tel Aviv.
Artists United Against Apartheid - Sun City
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2019-03-13 02:20:12 PM  
Just in case anyone didn't notice this... all these laws that differentiate between Jews and Arabs in Israel exist because of a belief that Arabs citizens of Israel have DIVIDED LOYALTIES, no matter what their actual background may be. These laws are antisemitic.
 
2019-03-13 02:20:52 PM  

kbronsito: And I could put a theatre at risk of losing state funding if I promote a play describing Israel's independence as a Nakba, or catastrophe, for the Palestinian people.


I guess she couldn't do a play about Gold Meir's life: As the head of the Jewish Agency Political Department, Meir called the mass exodus of Arabs before the War of Independence in 1948 "dreadful", and she likened it to what had befallen the Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Golda_Meir


Reported for antiSemitic trope.
 
2019-03-13 02:22:16 PM  
Nation of
State of

Country of Israel

What we call it matters because there is no magic, no god, no nonsense. Stop making these people more than they are. They inhabit a country of multitudes just like everyone else. Magic book is not law or justice. It is fantasy. All citizens matter. Jews and Palestinians matter equally.
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2019-03-13 02:24:18 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.

It is apartheid. Always has been.  I'd be interested to hear from someone (who isn't on a spittle flecked rant) as to why the US doesn't treat them like we treated South Africa over this.  And don't give me stability in the region, because we all know Israel is not a stabilizing Force. Don't give me the idea that they are our best allies, because we know that's not true, too. They spy on us incessantly and work against our interests. In all my years of trying to find this out, I have never heard a cogent argument as to why we should be so accommodating of Israel.


Because Jebus has to walk through some gate at some temple or some such bullshiat. Seriously, that's all it is. Christians need Israel to exist so Christ can return. Once that happens, they don't have to pretend to like Jews anymore. By their own scripture, they'll be at war with them, and all the other non-believers.
 
2019-03-13 02:24:50 PM  

gameshowhost: kbronsito: And I could put a theatre at risk of losing state funding if I promote a play describing Israel's independence as a Nakba, or catastrophe, for the Palestinian people.


I guess she couldn't do a play about Gold Meir's life: As the head of the Jewish Agency Political Department, Meir called the mass exodus of Arabs before the War of Independence in 1948 "dreadful", and she likened it to what had befallen the Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Golda_Meir

Reported for antiSemitic trope.


Hey, it's not my fault that the woman was a national treasure.
Not only did she survive the founding of Israel and reached the highest levels of government in a male dominated era/region, she also survived living in Milwaukee. Margaret Thatcher totally stole the Iron Lady moniker from her. There was more iron in Golda's stool than in all of Margaret Thatcher.
 
2019-03-13 02:25:27 PM  
Most recently?
 
2019-03-13 02:25:33 PM  

Action Replay Nick: This is a difficult conversation to have because of actual terrorists who don't think Israel has a right to exist, and Nazis/Trump supporters who are genuine "Jews control everything" anti-Semites, but the fact of the matter is that bad Israeli policy shouldn't get a pass just because anti-Semites exist.

All that being said, unfortunately America no longer has any moral authority at all, so we really don't have a right to tell anyone what to do. At best any expression of disappointment needs to be just that, and also couched with an acknowledgement of our own numerous failures.



The #1 reason to be against ehtnostates abroad is to stop those at home who want to turn the United States into an ethnostate.

Silence on this issue is death by a thousand cuts.  The rank hypocrisy isn't compatible with a secular democratic society -- which are become less of everyday.
 
2019-03-13 02:26:51 PM  

chuggernaught: Most recently?


You incarnate as needed too?

Cool.

(fistbump)
 
2019-03-13 02:28:20 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: In all my years of trying to find this out, I have never heard a cogent argument as to why we should be so accommodating of Israel.


It's guilt, Evangelicals needing some form of Israel around for apocalypse fantasies, and Palestinians being an ethnic and religious makeup that the US loves to kick the shiat out of, too.
 
2019-03-13 02:28:38 PM  
"For example, as a non-Jew in Israel, I cannot buy property in the vast majority of the country"

Actually, almost no one 'owns' land in Israel.  Most of the land in Israel (over 90%) is held by various government or quasi-government agencies.  Most 'buyers' don't actually hold title to the land, they buy a leasehold that can be revoked by the government at the government's whim.

It's interesting how Israel is the darling of Murica's con-servatives.  They never mention Israel without prefacing it with the words, 'free, democratic, capitalist'.   Quite a lot of Israel's food is produced on kibbutz.  Kibbutz means 'commune' in English.  People who are part of a commune are communists.  Israel is not free, democratic or capitalist, it never was.   Point that out your friendly neighborhood con-servatives next time they lecture you about, "Israel, Murica's best friend."
 
2019-03-13 02:29:32 PM  

Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.


Israel is doing to non-jews what Germany did to jews.  The early stages of it anyway.  Either they change their course significantly or it will only get worse.
 
2019-03-13 02:30:40 PM  

cefm: Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.

Israel is doing to non-jews what Germany did to jews.  The early stages of it anyway.  Either they change their course significantly or it will only get worse.


The cycle of abuse, writ large.
 
2019-03-13 02:31:13 PM  

minnesotaboy: Nation of
State of
Country of Israel

What we call it matters because there is no magic, no god, no nonsense. Stop making these people more than they are. They inhabit a country of multitudes just like everyone else. Magic book is not law or justice. It is fantasy. All citizens matter. Jews and Palestinians matter equally.
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The truth or falsehood of your statement is immaterial.  Both Jews and Arabs believe in their respective Gods and bleating from atheists won't change anything.In fact, the mere presence of open atheism in liberal societies is probably enough to convince religious people that religious liberty not a good idea.
 
2019-03-13 02:31:17 PM  
Welcome to Israel. Whose vagina are you from?

Mary, I was an anchor baby born in a manger in Bethlehem and my Dad's name was Joseph.  But you've never heard of me.
 
2019-03-13 02:32:40 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Israel gets $3 billion from the United States and provides universal health care including abortions free on demand.


That's why we can't do that here. It would cost too much to pay for both Israel and the US.
 
2019-03-13 02:36:27 PM  

Tranquil Hegemony: cefm: Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.

Israel is doing to non-jews what Germany did to jews. The early stages of it anyway.  Either they change their course significantly or it will only get worse.

The cycle of abuse, writ large.


The Israelis haven't fire up the crematorium, but yes, there are a lot of parallels between Nazism and Zionism.   Both the socialistic systems  set up to benefit one group, 'Aryans' in the case of of the Nazis and Jews in the case of the Zionists, to the exclusion and expense of others.
 
2019-03-13 02:36:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.

It is apartheid. Always has been.  I'd be interested to hear from someone (who isn't on a spittle flecked rant) as to why the US doesn't treat them like we treated South Africa over this.  And don't give me stability in the region, because we all know Israel is not a stabilizing Force. Don't give me the idea that they are our best allies, because we know that's not true, too. They spy on us incessantly and work against our interests. In all my years of trying to find this out, I have never heard a cogent argument as to why we should be so accommodating of Israel.


Because, unlike South Africa, Israel makes sure that our congresscritters are well paid to look the other way.  Because, unlike South Africa, if famous people rose up against Israel they would be painted as anti-semitic and blacklisted.  Because Israel has become what it hated.
 
2019-03-13 02:39:09 PM  

kbronsito: gameshowhost: kbronsito: And I could put a theatre at risk of losing state funding if I promote a play describing Israel's independence as a Nakba, or catastrophe, for the Palestinian people.


I guess she couldn't do a play about Gold Meir's life: As the head of the Jewish Agency Political Department, Meir called the mass exodus of Arabs before the War of Independence in 1948 "dreadful", and she likened it to what had befallen the Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Golda_Meir

Reported for antiSemitic trope.

Hey, it's not my fault that the woman was a national treasure.
Not only did she survive the founding of Israel and reached the highest levels of government in a male dominated era/region, she also survived living in Milwaukee. Margaret Thatcher totally stole the Iron Lady moniker from her. There was more iron in Golda's stool than in all of Margaret Thatcher.


"I thought that a Jewish state would be free of the evils afflicting other societies: theft, murder, prostitution... But now we have them all. And that's a thing that cuts to the heart ..."

"It is true we have won all our wars, but we have paid for them. We don't want victories anymore."

"Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses. He took us 40 years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil!"

// Israelis still use the term "Golda's shoes" (na'arei golda) to describe ugly orthopedic shoes like she wore
 
2019-03-13 02:40:40 PM  
The entire foundational purpose of Israel was that of refuge for Jews for if (when) another part of the world decided to persecute them.

This inherently makes the country treat Jews differently than all others.

Aside from unmaking the country, I don't know how you could go about fixing this.
 
2019-03-13 02:41:54 PM  

Fissile: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The US didn't treat South Africa with anything but support and affection until international and internal pressure changed things. Many GOP members in the Reagan years were big fans. Also big fans during those years? Israel.

Israel developed nuclear weapons with the help and cooperation of apartheid South Africa.


Don't forget the shiat-ton of plutonium they got from us.
 
2019-03-13 02:42:37 PM  
Cowboy BeBop- Ask DNA
Youtube 3rYYzKo6S9g
 
2019-03-13 02:49:07 PM  
listen, there are the 'chosen people' and then there are the proselyte, you're either one or the other, and that is not up to you to decide.
if you don't like it, you may file a grievance online or elsewhere that is just as effective.
 
2019-03-13 02:50:11 PM  
G-d Himself promised this land to the Jews 4000 years ago.  That's the only thing they need to know.
 
2019-03-13 02:54:55 PM  

Fissile: Tranquil Hegemony: cefm: Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.

Israel is doing to non-jews what Germany did to jews. The early stages of it anyway.  Either they change their course significantly or it will only get worse.

The cycle of abuse, writ large.

The Israelis haven't fire up the crematorium, but yes, there are a lot of parallels between Nazism and Zionism.   Both the socialistic systems  set up to benefit one group, 'Aryans' in the case of of the Nazis and Jews in the case of the Zionists, to the exclusion and expense of others.

Otto The Zionist Jewish Supremacist: Monty Python's Life of Brian (Deleted Scene)
Youtube 2pbjoZ-u8_s
 
2019-03-13 02:55:14 PM  

Explodo: Benevolent Misanthrope: Diogenes: Responding to criticism by the well-known Israeli actor Rotem Sela this week, Benjamin Netanyahu took it upon himself to declare, via Instagram: "Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the nation-state law we passed [in July 2018], Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people - and not anyone else."

Sounds like apartheid to me.  Though they object strenuously to the comparison.  And yet our own US government is making it illegal to handle the situation like we did with South Africa.

It is apartheid. Always has been.  I'd be interested to hear from someone (who isn't on a spittle flecked rant) as to why the US doesn't treat them like we treated South Africa over this.  And don't give me stability in the region, because we all know Israel is not a stabilizing Force. Don't give me the idea that they are our best allies, because we know that's not true, too. They spy on us incessantly and work against our interests. In all my years of trying to find this out, I have never heard a cogent argument as to why we should be so accommodating of Israel.

Because, unlike South Africa, Israel makes sure that our congresscritters are well paid to look the other way. Because, unlike South Africa, if famous people rose up against Israel they would be painted as anti-semitic and blacklisted.  Because Israel has become what it hated.


How dare you suggest that lobbyists use money to influence politics, you antisemite.
 
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