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(The New York Times)   If Pelosi believes Trump doesn't surpass the standards for impeachment, then she risks setting the bar extraordinarily high for the removal of future presidents   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2019-03-13 08:48:24 AM  
....and future president's are looking to be D for a long, long time
 
2019-03-13 08:53:53 AM  
I'm sure she thinks he meets the standards. But what here's what she actually said (my bold):

Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don't think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he's just not worth it.

She's admitting that unless and until the R-treasonweasels get their heads out of Trump's asscrack, there's no purpose to be served by impeachment proceedings aside from giving Trump the perpetual presidential harassment victim more reasons to piss and moan.

There's a time for showboating and a time for pragmatism. This was the pragmatic part. The showboating will come the form of endless House committee hearings on Trump, his cabinet members - from the merely unqualified to the overtly criminal - and his over-privileged crotchfruit.
 
2019-03-13 08:54:34 AM  
It's also important to note, with what they know in public, with evidence, it's not worth going after Donnie, right now. Impeachment would be a gesture only. Right now.

After the Mueller report, and its eventual leak, then things will likely change. This is theater, and everyone on both sides knows it. But our journalists are looking at the surface only, and they are complicit with said theater. It sells papers, and it keeps analysts and talking heads nattering.
 
2019-03-13 08:54:38 AM  

This Is Bold Text: ....and future president's are looking to be D for a long, long time


All it takes is one or two mis-steps by a Dem nominee - or another Gore/Kerry/Clinton who tries to run a "moderate" campaign with Republican-lite policies and alienates the left flank of the party - and we will have a Republican president again. And then we're completely farked if and when that happens.
 
2019-03-13 08:55:44 AM  
Yup, that's exactly what she's doing, and exactly what she intends to do. Subby is right to take her words at face value, because her words were in no way an extremely obvious attempt to seek to anger an opponent with a choleric temperament.
 
2019-03-13 08:58:21 AM  

King Something: Yup, that's exactly what she's doing, and exactly what she intends to do. Subby is right to take her words at face value, because her words were in no way an extremely obvious attempt to seek to anger an opponent with a choleric temperament.


This isn't the first time she's been against impeachment. She didn't try to impeach the last time, either. And we're all worse off for it now. There's no reason to think she's anything but serious that she won't impeach him.
 
2019-03-13 09:07:47 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: There's a time for showboating and a time for pragmatism. This was the pragmatic part. The showboating will come the form of endless House committee hearings on Trump, his cabinet members - from the merely unqualified to the overtly criminal - and his over-privileged crotchfruit.


Meanwhile people are farking dying... families being separated, and courts packed with Trump apppointed judges are stripping away the safety nets of people around the country.  (Hope you didn't need planned parenthood for a cancer screening!)

FARK YOUR PRAGMATISM IF IT COMES WITH A BODY COUNT.
 
2019-03-13 09:10:48 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Farking Clown Shoes: There's a time for showboating and a time for pragmatism. This was the pragmatic part. The showboating will come the form of endless House committee hearings on Trump, his cabinet members - from the merely unqualified to the overtly criminal - and his over-privileged crotchfruit.

Meanwhile people are farking dying... families being separated, and courts packed with Trump apppointed judges are stripping away the safety nets of people around the country.  (Hope you didn't need planned parenthood for a cancer screening!)

FARK YOUR PRAGMATISM IF IT COMES WITH A BODY COUNT.


I know where you're coming from, and I agree wholeheartedly - but given the current composition and inclinations of Congress, impeachment has zero chance of succeeding. There are other ways of getting Donnie's goat - starting with publicly saying that he just isn't worth it.
 
2019-03-13 09:20:34 AM  
Nancy showed us how she will play impeachment with the override of Trump's emergency declaration. Back Senate Republicans into a corner, go on the record supporting the president's misdeeds or vote against him. She is just biding her time until it is obvious that the president colludied
 
2019-03-13 09:21:48 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Shadow Blasko: Farking Clown Shoes: There's a time for showboating and a time for pragmatism. This was the pragmatic part. The showboating will come the form of endless House committee hearings on Trump, his cabinet members - from the merely unqualified to the overtly criminal - and his over-privileged crotchfruit.

Meanwhile people are farking dying... families being separated, and courts packed with Trump apppointed judges are stripping away the safety nets of people around the country.  (Hope you didn't need planned parenthood for a cancer screening!)

FARK YOUR PRAGMATISM IF IT COMES WITH A BODY COUNT.

I know where you're coming from, and I agree wholeheartedly - but given the current composition and inclinations of Congress, impeachment has zero chance of succeeding. There are other ways of getting Donnie's goat - starting with publicly saying that he just isn't worth it.


I know ..and I know that anything we do would just be symbolic at best, but I feel like something "on the record" needs to be happening. Not just annoying him by 1000 public humiliations, but going through the motions so people have faith that our elected leaders are actually using the tools we sent them there to use to protect ourselves.
 
2019-03-13 09:25:10 AM  
Meanwhile the bar for impeachment of a Democratic President will remain at ground level.

/thanks for nothing, Nancy
 
2019-03-13 09:25:38 AM  
Trump hasn't caught on to what she's really saying. I don't expect his followers to either.
 
2019-03-13 09:27:57 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Farking Clown Shoes: There's a time for showboating and a time for pragmatism. This was the pragmatic part. The showboating will come the form of endless House committee hearings on Trump, his cabinet members - from the merely unqualified to the overtly criminal - and his over-privileged crotchfruit.

Meanwhile people are farking dying... families being separated, and courts packed with Trump apppointed judges are stripping away the safety nets of people around the country.  (Hope you didn't need planned parenthood for a cancer screening!)

FARK YOUR PRAGMATISM IF IT COMES WITH A BODY COUNT.


Remember that the next time you have a shot to keep the Legislative Branch out of the hands of a bunch of craven, treasonous sh*tbirds.
 
2019-03-13 09:29:50 AM  
she said he was unfit to be president, but he wasn't worth wasting their time to extricate from the position before 01/20/2021

there's a difference
 
2019-03-13 09:30:37 AM  
Um.  It's the GOP who's setting the bar high, article author.

Pelosi is just acknowledging that fact.
 
2019-03-13 09:31:22 AM  

This Is Bold Text: ....and future president's are looking to be D for a long, long time


You think Republicans care about "standards for impeachment?" Let me laugh harder.
 
2019-03-13 09:31:36 AM  
Typical Democrats. Always thinking about protecting their own ( this time, in the future!) instead of doing what's right for the country right now.
 
2019-03-13 09:32:28 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: All it takes is one or two mis-steps by a Dem nominee - or another Gore/Kerry/Clinton who tries to run a "moderate" campaign with Republican-lite policies and alienates the left flank of the party - and we will have a Republican president again. And then we're completely farked if and when that happens.


Or, alternately, 8 years of a Democrat in office to scrub people's memories of how utterly terrible and incapable Republicans are of good-faith, competent governance.
 
2019-03-13 09:32:36 AM  
Crime is legal, libs.
 
2019-03-13 09:32:42 AM  
Trump could grab Pelosi by the p*ssy and she still wouldn't impeach him.

The point of impeachment hearings is to make the case for it then hold the vote in the House.

Right now Trump and Company are running a Gish Gallop of CRIMINALITY and bullshiat that nobody can keep up with.

And yet Pelosi thinks 20± separate investigations will magically do something?

You need ONE INVESTIGATION, ONE HEARING AT THE FOREFRONT, just like Nixon.  Something so big that it isn't swept off the news by every other scandal.

Start the impeachment hearings, dammit.
 
2019-03-13 09:32:53 AM  
Republicans will impeach the next Democrat for parking fines.   And we still don't have a senate to convict.
 
2019-03-13 09:33:11 AM  

Skleenar: Um.  It's the GOP who's setting the bar high, article author.

Pelosi is just acknowledging that fact.


Yeah, but when has the GOP ever applied standards evenly to Democrats and Republicans?
 
2019-03-13 09:33:47 AM  

Skleenar: Um.  It's the GOP who's setting the bar high, article author.

Pelosi is just acknowledging that fact.


I don't understand why people are glossing over that part. An impeachment with this Senate is a publicity stunt. It does not stop Trump from doing any of the things he wants to do.
 
2019-03-13 09:33:55 AM  
AdmirableSnackbar:

Trying to appease a voting bloc that couldn't even be bothered to vote against Trump is a fool's errand.
 
2019-03-13 09:34:22 AM  
Report ain't out yet.
 
2019-03-13 09:35:44 AM  
She wants the Democrat record on impeachment to remain at 1.000 while the Republican record is a paltry 0.000. Can you really blame her? Impeaching without a crime or impeaching when you know you can't win is just so futile and utterly Republican.
 
2019-03-13 09:35:46 AM  
Trump will never be impeached or spend a day in jail.  The US has no stomach for it.  A-level politicians are off the table.
 
2019-03-13 09:35:58 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Farking Clown Shoes: There's a time for showboating and a time for pragmatism. This was the pragmatic part. The showboating will come the form of endless House committee hearings on Trump, his cabinet members - from the merely unqualified to the overtly criminal - and his over-privileged crotchfruit.

Meanwhile people are farking dying... families being separated, and courts packed with Trump apppointed judges are stripping away the safety nets of people around the country.  (Hope you didn't need planned parenthood for a cancer screening!)

FARK YOUR PRAGMATISM IF IT COMES WITH A BODY COUNT.


If you're going to come at the 'king', you best not miss.
 
2019-03-13 09:36:19 AM  
Shadow Blasko:

All a failed impeachment effort does is embolden/energize Trump and everyone who supports him.
 
2019-03-13 09:36:24 AM  

GoldSpider: AdmirableSnackbar:

Trying to appease a voting bloc that couldn't even be bothered to vote against Trump is a fool's errand.


Nobody wants to vote against something. They want to vote for something. If the best argument for your candidacy is "I'm not Trump" then you're a pretty terrible candidate yourself and don't deserve to win an election. It didn't work with W twice and it didn't work with Trump. It's time to stop blaming the electorate for the mistakes of Democratish candidates.
 
2019-03-13 09:36:34 AM  

snowshovel: Typical Democrats. Always thinking about protecting their own ( this time, in the future!) instead of doing what's right for the country right now.


So you're saying we should impeach Trump immediately?
 
2019-03-13 09:36:39 AM  
If the results end up being compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan (extreme longshot) I fully expect Republicans to blame Pelosi for putting off impeachment hearings as long as she did and that people should vote for the Republican nominee (likely still Trump because they didn't take a chance to nominate someone else) to spite Democrats over it.
 
2019-03-13 09:36:53 AM  
It's incredibly stupid to talk about standards or threshholds for impeachment. Impeachment is an entirely political process, and the only standard is "what do we have the votes for". Had they the votes, "eating arugula" would have cleared the threshold to impeach Obama. Similarly, beating a Mexican child to death on live TV probably wouldn't clear the threshold for Trump.
 
2019-03-13 09:37:26 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: King Something: Yup, that's exactly what she's doing, and exactly what she intends to do. Subby is right to take her words at face value, because her words were in no way an extremely obvious attempt to seek to anger an opponent with a choleric temperament.

This isn't the first time she's been against impeachment. She didn't try to impeach the last time, either. And we're all worse off for it now. There's no reason to think she's anything but serious that she won't impeach him.


For the same reason - not enough Republicans in the Senate to make a damn bit of difference.

You know why Nixon resigned? Because impeachment AND conviction in the Senate were givens. Congressional leadership of BOTH parties went to the WH (with John Dean) to tell Nixon it was over - and like a day later, Nixon was gone.

Until Republicans de-ass their heads (or the Senate has fewer than 33 of them), no Republican President will ever be removed from office. And since impeachment without removal is functionally useless - and can even serve to bolster the President - it's just shooting your wad of political capital into the sock of disappointment.
 
2019-03-13 09:37:26 AM  

odinsposse: Skleenar: Um.  It's the GOP who's setting the bar high, article author.

Pelosi is just acknowledging that fact.

I don't understand why people are glossing over that part. An impeachment with this Senate is a publicity stunt. It does not stop Trump from doing any of the things he wants to do.


And there weren't enough Republicans in the Senate ready to side with Democrats and toss Nixon when the House started impeachment hearings on him.

Funny how THATchanged by the end with every network rotating coverage of the hearings on broadcast TV daily.
 
2019-03-13 09:37:32 AM  
There's always a rush to blame the Dems for letting the GOP be evil.  If the GOP wasn't supporting this fascist, he'd already be out.  Pelosi has said she doesn't want to waste political capital on an attempt that's dead on arrival.  Unless the GOP decides they're actually in favour of saving the nation from itself, impeachment is just a fun distraction that accomplishes nothing positive.

However, what a failed impeachment attempt DOES accomplish is very bad.  Firstly, Trump immediate declares that this is proof he did nothing wrong and 50% of the country falls deeply in love with him all over again (mostly because average Americans are ignorant and stupid when it comes to politics).  Secondly, Trump begins to operate with complete impunity knowing that the party has his back.  More semi-secret deals with Putin.  More erosion of the constitution.  More evil in the world.  Thirdly, the GOP and the media continue to paint the Dems as being on a partisan witch hunt, and because the average American is an idiot... it works.

The Dems don't retake the Senate in 2020 and maybe Trump squeaks out a narrow EC victory (losing the popular vote, again).  Then... shiat really goes bad.

In a modern, educated country with a reasonable system of electing a chief executive, Trump doesn't even  win the first time.  But this is 'murrica.  You can't just do the right thing as a politician and expect that's enough.  You've got to play the long game because the deck is stacked against the good guys in the US system.
 
2019-03-13 09:37:36 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Farking Clown Shoes: There's a time for showboating and a time for pragmatism. This was the pragmatic part. The showboating will come the form of endless House committee hearings on Trump, his cabinet members - from the merely unqualified to the overtly criminal - and his over-privileged crotchfruit.

Meanwhile people are farking dying... families being separated, and courts packed with Trump apppointed judges are stripping away the safety nets of people around the country.  (Hope you didn't need planned parenthood for a cancer screening!)

FARK YOUR PRAGMATISM IF IT COMES WITH A BODY COUNT.


OK, but impeachment won't change any of that.  What would certainly happen if Trump was impeached is that he would be acquitted and Fox would would flash "NOT GUILTY" in big bold letters all over the TV screen for the next 72 hours while Trump would tweet an endless stream of "I told you so"s and accuse the Democrats of being the real party of crooks.  Somehow I don't any of that is going to help.
 
2019-03-13 09:38:00 AM  
Speaker of the House Pelosi is simply pointing out that impeachment without removal would be a destructive endeavor. Do you have 67 Senate votes for removal handy?
 
2019-03-13 09:38:01 AM  

snowshovel: Typical Democrats. Always thinking about protecting their own ( this time, in the future!) instead of doing what's right for the country right now.


I don't know why i'm feeding you....BUT

Can you name one farking thing republicans are doing that helps the people of our country?
 
2019-03-13 09:38:15 AM  
Columnists gotta column and pundits gotta pundit, in the absence of hard facts and/or indictments.

Nancy is doing the smart thing here. I want Donnie voted out of office, and by a significant margin, because we need to prove to ourselves and the world that Donnie isn't who we are as a country and that this republic still works.

Of course, if Donnie would prefer to resign...
 
2019-03-13 09:38:19 AM  

Grungehamster: If the results end up being compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan (extreme longshot) I fully expect Republicans to blame Pelosi for putting off impeachment hearings as long as she did and that people should vote for the Republican nominee (likely still Trump because they didn't take a chance to nominate someone else) to spite Democrats over it.


"Nancy Pelosi is such a terrible American she wouldn't even impeach the traitorous Donald Trump. We Republicans, as soon as - AS SOON AS! - we understood he was a criminal and a threat to national security moved to remove him from office immediately. Where was Pelosi when she knew, why didn't she act?"
 
2019-03-13 09:38:20 AM  

null: You need ONE INVESTIGATION, ONE HEARING AT THE FOREFRONT--


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2019-03-13 09:38:44 AM  
Such concern, NYT.  Wow.
 
2019-03-13 09:39:38 AM  

Mercutio74: There's always a rush to blame the Dems for letting the GOP be evil.  If the GOP wasn't supporting this fascist, he'd already be out. Pelosi has said she doesn't want to waste political capital on an attempt that's dead on arrival.  Unless the GOP decides they're actually in favour of saving the nation from itself, impeachment is just a fun distraction that accomplishes nothing positive.

However, what a failed impeachment attempt DOES accomplish is very bad.  Firstly, Trump immediate declares that this is proof he did nothing wrong and 50% of the country falls deeply in love with him all over again (mostly because average Americans are ignorant and stupid when it comes to politics).  Secondly, Trump begins to operate with complete impunity knowing that the party has his back.  More semi-secret deals with Putin.  More erosion of the constitution.  More evil in the world.  Thirdly, the GOP and the media continue to paint the Dems as being on a partisan witch hunt, and because the average American is an idiot... it works.

The Dems don't retake the Senate in 2020 and maybe Trump squeaks out a narrow EC victory (losing the popular vote, again).  Then... shiat really goes bad.

In a modern, educated country with a reasonable system of electing a chief executive, Trump doesn't even  win the first time.  But this is 'murrica.  You can't just do the right thing as a politician and expect that's enough.  You've got to play the long game because the deck is stacked against the good guys in the US system.


If we had a GOP Senate/House and the President was a Democrat, he would have been impeached in February 2017
 
2019-03-13 09:39:50 AM  

snowshovel: Typical Democrats Republicans. Always thinking about protecting their own ( this time, in the future!) instead of doing what's right for the country right now.


You misspelled "Treasonous Brown-Nosers who are afraid of their own incompetent leader".
 
2019-03-13 09:40:02 AM  
AdmirableSnackbar:

At some point you have to blame the people who sat out the election because they evaluated the candidates and judged them equally bad.
 
2019-03-13 09:40:23 AM  
I think it will serve the country much better for her to focus on his and his family's tax evasion, bank fraud and money laundering.  Continue as Mueller has, spin those charges out to courts that are beyond Donnie's authority and his term as the clown prince.

When all he has is a pile of debt to the Russians, they'll take care of him.
 
2019-03-13 09:40:43 AM  

Badmoodman: Columnists gotta column and pundits gotta pundit, in the absence of hard facts and/or indictments.

Nancy is doing the smart thing here. I want Donnie voted out of office, and by a significant margin, because we need to prove to ourselves and the world that Donnie isn't who we are as a country and that this republic still works.

Of course, if Donnie would prefer to resign...


As much as I'd love Donnie to get curbstomped in the 2020 election, so bad that it takes most of the Republicans in both houses of Congress with him... I just hope we still have a country by then
 
2019-03-13 09:41:18 AM  
1. It should be high. Charging an entire branch of the federal government and taking them to trial with the purpose of removing them from office is serious sh*t., and not to be taken lightly. Let's not go into the cesspit the republicans did (and lost) with Clinton.

2. In this case it's not the possible charges and criminal activity that are the issue, but the votes. tRump could eat a live baby at his next press conference and be criminally liable, while the congress - specifically the senate - can (and would) simply refuse to impeach him.

3. While we all can see that this orange turd needed to go like yesterday, this is a political decision that has fer reaching consequences. As such it should be handled differently than a criminal or civil act. Different rules.
 
2019-03-13 09:41:29 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: I'm sure she thinks he meets the standards. But what here's what she actually said (my bold):

Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don't think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he's just not worth it.

She's admitting that unless and until the R-treasonweasels get their heads out of Trump's asscrack, there's no purpose to be served by impeachment proceedings aside from giving Trump the perpetual presidential harassment victim more reasons to piss and moan.

There's a time for showboating and a time for pragmatism. This was the pragmatic part. The showboating will come the form of endless House committee hearings on Trump, his cabinet members - from the merely unqualified to the overtly criminal - and his over-privileged crotchfruit.


I'd add that she's popping him in the eye again with "And he's just not worth it."
 
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