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(Slate)   OH MY GOD Slate writer just realized the Boeing 737 Max 8s that have been crashing all over the place had automation. And automated cars have automation, too. Which means we're all going to die EVERYBODY PANIC   (slate.com) divider line
    More: Scary, Driverless car, Autopilot, Plane, Automobile, Advanced driver assistance systems, Autonomous underwater vehicle, Airplane pilots, New Jersey drivers  
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2019-03-13 08:07:51 AM  
Probably.
 
2019-03-13 08:13:38 AM  
What you mean "we", frequent flyer? Go ahead, bet your life against corporate greed.
 
2019-03-13 08:14:09 AM  
No. It means we're all going to die in automated boat crashes.
 
2019-03-13 08:16:40 AM  
Maybe if Boeing designed the stall-prevention mechanism
 
2019-03-13 08:16:47 AM  
Yes.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2019-03-13 08:37:40 AM  
ah the old apples and oranges post from a reporter trying to push traffic to their site.

Cars can stop if their automated systems fail.
Planes can't.
 
2019-03-13 08:40:31 AM  
If you ask me, everyone's obsessed with automation these days. This progress-for-the-sake-of-progress nonsense is for the birds. Give me 7 mpg cars, black lung, and plane crashes where you could point fault at an honest-to-God American, and not some character from Buck Rodgers any day of the week!
 
2019-03-13 08:41:34 AM  
Xai:
Cars can stop if their automated systems fail.
Planes can't.


Oh planes will stop too. Just more abruptly.
 
2019-03-13 08:53:23 AM  
I'm less concerned about a car deciding to pitch down into the ground.
 
2019-03-13 08:56:13 AM  
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2019-03-13 08:56:19 AM  
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/approves
 
2019-03-13 08:56:59 AM  

Chabash: I'm less concerned about a car deciding to pitch down into the ground.


Cars will pitch into the gorge.
 
2019-03-13 08:57:11 AM  

Gonzo317: [img.fark.net image 320x180]


Statistically, yes, 100%.
 
2019-03-13 08:57:18 AM  
It's almost like human psychology is incredibly complicated and what makes people safer doesn't always correspond to how safe they feel.

Kind of how Wal-Mart started selling home traps for the Boogeyman, I mean, now I have a way of dealing with the Boogeyman, should he ever enter my house, there's no question that society is safer.  But until I saw this product at Wal-Mart, I never really thought about the Boogeyman.

Now I only think that he could be anywhere.  He could even be behind you right now.
 
2019-03-13 08:57:43 AM  
If air accidents haven't increased in the age of automation vs. the age of total manual control, there really isn't much to fret about. At least the autopilot can't get depressed and commit suicide with travelers along for the ride.
 
2019-03-13 08:57:53 AM  

Yaw String: Xai:
Cars can stop if their automated systems fail.
Planes can't.

Oh planes will stop too. Just more abruptly.


George Carlin: "No, I insist that my flight stops! Preferably at an airport! It's these unscheduled cornfield and housing development stops, that really ruins the flow of my day!"
 
2019-03-13 08:58:50 AM  
Last time my car broke down, it didn't then fall from the sky.
 
2019-03-13 09:00:36 AM  
FTA:  "Installed as a corrective to the model's heavy, forward-mounted engines"

Stopped reading right there.  The author of the article is an unmitigated idiot who has zero clue what the hell they are talking about.
 
2019-03-13 09:01:13 AM  
Automobiles are becoming far too complex to drive. Drivers are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better.
 
2019-03-13 09:02:16 AM  
Oh.  My.  God.  My bread machine has automation, and it's in the kitchen right now going wum-wum-wum.  I assume it's powering up to murder me.
 
2019-03-13 09:03:24 AM  
Are they using the Otto system?
 
2019-03-13 09:03:31 AM  
I have a car with driving assistance. Almost all the features are distracted driving enablers, especially the one where it beeps when the car in front of you pulls away and you don't move.
 
2019-03-13 09:04:04 AM  

ChrisDe: Automobiles are becoming far too complex to drive. Drivers are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better.


Joke's on you - Albert Einstein's my chauffeur.

/smells a bit, though.
 
2019-03-13 09:05:30 AM  
Microsoft Windows 737.
 
2019-03-13 09:06:21 AM  
CordycepsInYourBrain: ... especially the one where it beeps when the car in front of you pulls away and you don't move.

Most cars have that. Its called "the car behind you".
 
2019-03-13 09:08:52 AM  
Planes have had automation for a long time now.  The problem airlines have thanks to that are pilots who may have lots of hours in the plane but precious flew actually flying it, and when trouble hits, they fark up with alarming frequency.

ChrisDe: Automobiles are becoming far too complex to drive. Drivers are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better.


2009 Chevy Malibu vs 1959 Bel Air Crash Test | Consumer Reports
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2019-03-13 09:09:28 AM  
In think most people would be surprised how much airline flight is automated.

The first automated landing was done in 1937. Passenger jets have been autolanding since the 1960s.
 
2019-03-13 09:09:55 AM  
Automated trains would be way easier to implement.  Airports even have them already.

And we really need to tell that slate author the difference between a glass cockpit and an automated car.
 
2019-03-13 09:12:03 AM  
If the requirements to drive a car were even 1/100th as stringent as those to be a commercial pilot I would accept the author's fearmongering.  As it is if the error rate of the Boeing software is anything to go by, I expect automated driving to be a significant safety improvement over all.  (But not you.  YOU'RE the exception, with reflexes of a fighter pilot and never ever driving tired or possibly distracted by anything ever.)
 
2019-03-13 09:13:14 AM  

kevlar51: If you ask me, everyone's obsessed with automation these days.


Automation means less money spent on labor means more profit for the rich.
 
2019-03-13 09:15:44 AM  
Even if some automated cars crash, will they crash at a rate greater or lesser than having people drive them?
If lesser, then it's still a worthwhile switch, given the carnage on the road at present; risk assessment is critical in these types of things (also like vaccines; even if there's a theoretical risk associated with vaccines, let's weigh it against the risk of widespread plague, not an otherwise perfectly healthy population).

Also, automated cars will work in 2 dimensions on pre-designated tracks, while planes work in 3 without the benefit of kerblines, traffic lights, or anything else the cars will be programmed to recognise, so I'm sure that cuts down on the potential problems. As you can probably tell, I am not an engineer or software...neer? So if someone has a reputable read on the difficulties of programming self-driving cars, I'd love a link to it. Some education before I continue offering opinions would probably be in everyone's interest.
 
2019-03-13 09:16:35 AM  
Don't tell them about the Instant Pot.  An automated pressure cooker that operates at 130C and 15 psi?!  One mistake and BOOM

They should be banned...for the children!
 
2019-03-13 09:27:58 AM  
First automation took away your jobs , now it's coming for your life!
 
2019-03-13 09:28:00 AM  

donnielove: Last time my car broke down, it didn't then fall from the sky.


Is that the kind of service you want from your car?  I believe they are working on that.  DFMEA is taking a really long time, though.
 
2019-03-13 09:28:37 AM  
It's time to bring back the elevator operator!
 
2019-03-13 09:28:58 AM  
Guess I'm getting the Rambler up and running again.
 
2019-03-13 09:32:53 AM  

snocone: What you mean "we", frequent flyer? Go ahead, bet your life against corporate greed.


Just cause you're not in one doesn't mean it won't come crashing through your living room.
 
2019-03-13 09:36:21 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: kevlar51: If you ask me, everyone's obsessed with automation these days.

Automation means less money spent on labor means more profit for the rich.


That's an awfully simplistic summation.  Automation also increases production rate and quality while reducing cost to the end consumer/user.
 
2019-03-13 09:39:50 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: If air accidents haven't increased in the age of automation vs. the age of total manual control, there really isn't much to fret about. At least the autopilot can't get depressed and commit suicide with travelers along for the ride.


Because that incident happened before the age of automation, before the use of autopilot?
 
2019-03-13 09:40:36 AM  
Slate: So bad it makes Huffington Post look credible
 
2019-03-13 09:43:00 AM  
 
2019-03-13 09:43:53 AM  
The father of a third routinely started his Toyota Camry with the key fob inside the house, drove to work, and found he couldn't start the car when it was time to drive home.

I've never had remote start, but always assumed there was some kind of interlock (push brake pedal, move shifter) that would kill the engine if the key had not been inserted.
 
2019-03-13 09:46:53 AM  

Evil Mackerel: First automation took away your jobs , now it's coming for your life!


You know, in a factory setting when robots or automation of physical tasks are used, they put up cages and light curtains and door lock-outs and flashing lights and god-awful beepings to protect people.

I kinda hope Boeing's MAX software update will include a crazed voice that shouts "Ima push the nose down now!" in these recent crash situations.  Maybe that will get the pilots' attention to hopefully respond with "Oh, no you aren't, you stupid MF!"
 
2019-03-13 09:48:52 AM  
Einstein is my copilot.
 
2019-03-13 09:49:11 AM  

Whiskey Dickens: HotWingConspiracy: If air accidents haven't increased in the age of automation vs. the age of total manual control, there really isn't much to fret about. At least the autopilot can't get depressed and commit suicide with travelers along for the ride.

Because that incident happened before the age of automation, before the use of autopilot?


Autopilot has been on airliners for decades.
 
2019-03-13 09:49:43 AM  
"Hey Phil, how are the new automated flight controls?"

"O.K."

"Just O.K.?"

"We have a saying around Boeing - If the automated controls don't stop it, the ground will!"
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2019-03-13 09:51:01 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Einstein is my copilot.


Heisenberg is my psychotherapist.
 
2019-03-13 09:52:12 AM  

Whiskey Dickens: HotWingConspiracy: If air accidents haven't increased in the age of automation vs. the age of total manual control, there really isn't much to fret about. At least the autopilot can't get depressed and commit suicide with travelers along for the ride.

Because that incident happened before the age of automation, before the use of autopilot?


Doesn't matter when it happened, it was caused by a human pilot.
 
2019-03-13 09:56:32 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: If the requirements to drive a car were even 1/100th as stringent as those to be a commercial pilot I would accept the author's fearmongering.


You should probably compare commercial pilots with other commercial operators, like commercial drivers, commercial boat pilots, or locomotive engineer.

Many of the requirements come in because you're conveying people for hire.
 
2019-03-13 09:57:12 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Whiskey Dickens: HotWingConspiracy: If air accidents haven't increased in the age of automation vs. the age of total manual control, there really isn't much to fret about. At least the autopilot can't get depressed and commit suicide with travelers along for the ride.

Because that incident happened before the age of automation, before the use of autopilot?

Doesn't matter when it happened, it was caused by a human pilot.


And are you certain Boeing hasn't been subcontracting coding out to the Sirius Cybernetic Corporation?

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