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2019-03-13 06:36:50 AM  
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2019-03-13 07:02:11 AM  
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Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2019-03-13 08:46:16 AM  
OK, where to start;
a) We're literally going to have to leave northern Ireland as part of Europe, that has been admitted - that doesn't seem much of a win when we're putting checks and border controls inside our own country.
b) To remove tariffs from EU goods it requires us to remove tariffs from all goods (WTO rules), meaning we have no control over cheap Chinese imports etc anymore and we lose 1/3rd of tariff-based revenue.
c) Worse still, removing tariffs from EU goods is unilateral, meaning they can still put tariffs on our imports and they have already stated they will do so.
d) This is before we have to consider the cost in both time and money of these new border checkpoints, the government has already set aside £1bn to cover setting these up, but admitted it may cost much more, plus that doesn't cover operating costs which will likely be covered by transport companies then passed to consumers.

The problem is that wilful ignorance won't change reality.
 
2019-03-13 09:25:43 AM  

Xai: OK, where to start;
b) To remove tariffs from EU goods it requires us to remove tariffs from all goods (WTO rules), meaning we have no control over cheap Chinese imports etc anymore and we lose 1/3rd of tariff-based revenue.


Standards still apply, so Chinese goods will still have to meet UK safety rules etc.

Xai: c) Worse still, removing tariffs from EU goods is unilateral, meaning they can still put tariffs on our imports and they have already stated they will do so.


We already know pretty much what the EU tariffs will be, because, as you yourself said, they have to apply the same tariffs to everyone. So the EU already has those tariffs with all the countries it trades with now under WTO tariffs, including countries like the USA. The EU cannot put tariffs on just the UK without having to apply it to the US as well.

Also, these can be changed at any time. If the EU picks some tariffs to raise to specifically target the UK, meaning they'd apply to everyone but specifically hit goods the UK is a big producer of, the UK could chose to raise tariffs to target specifically the EU if it wanted to. They raise tariffs on Haggis, we raise tariffs on Champagne....

Xai: d) This is before we have to consider the cost in both time and money of these new border checkpoints, the government has already set aside £1bn to cover setting these up, but admitted it may cost much more, plus that doesn't cover operating costs which will likely be covered by transport companies then passed to consumers.


Well over half the UKs current imports already go through such checkpoints and controls. Those already exist. It's not like we have to start them up from scratch.

Really this is typical of Fark.
Re Brexit: "Tariffs are bad! Therefore Brexit is bad because it will mean tariffs!"
UK announces new tariffs that will reduce overall tariffs: "OMG! The UK is bad! This is terrible!"

Farkers have been claiming the UK is leaving free trade and heading down the protectionism route with Brexit, and now they're complaining because the UK is reducing tariffs and opening up trade with lots of countries around the world. They complain when Trump puts tariffs on stiff and now they're complaining the UK is reducing them.
 
2019-03-13 09:33:28 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: They raise tariffs on Haggis, we raise tariffs on Champagne....


Something tells me you haven't thought your cunning plan all the way through to the end.

Something like this, actually:
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Continuing...
the UK is reducing tariffs and opening up trade with lots of countries around the world

Eliminating tariffs because you're worried the price of everything will increase in addition to the massive shortages and economic gridlock isn't the same as opening up trade with lots of countries. In fact, given that there are very few treaties in place to replace those that will be eliminated by Brexit, it's just the opposite.

But by all means, please continue. Stiff upper lip and all that. Pip pip cheerio, I suppose.
 
2019-03-13 09:59:55 AM  
Sounds like the UK has taken the Trump University course in Bigly Brain Best Deals®.
 
2019-03-13 10:00:32 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Carter Pewterschmidt: They raise tariffs on Haggis, we raise tariffs on Champagne....

Something tells me you haven't thought your cunning plan all the way through to the end.

Something like this, actually:
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Continuing...
the UK is reducing tariffs and opening up trade with lots of countries around the world

Eliminating tariffs because you're worried the price of everything will increase in addition to the massive shortages and economic gridlock isn't the same as opening up trade with lots of countries. In fact, given that there are very few treaties in place to replace those that will be eliminated by Brexit, it's just the opposite.

But by all means, please continue. Stiff upper lip and all that. Pip pip cheerio, I suppose.


lol, british food.
 
2019-03-13 10:01:39 AM  

Xai: The problem is that wilful ignorance won't change reality.


The problem is that racism and xenophobia doesn't give a shiat what reality does because if it kicks them, they're being kicked because of the existence of all those furriners and brown-skinned people.

Brexit isn't about the mind of the UK, it's about its soul.
 
2019-03-13 10:02:07 AM  
I say this as a resident of a country where Donald Trump is president. Watching the UK march forward based on blind, poorly conceived nationalist pride in the face of every warning of what a disaster its actions will cause, absolutely refusing to even consider going back and rethinking its decision, is baffling.
 
2019-03-13 10:02:17 AM  
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2019-03-13 10:03:39 AM  
At least it'll be fun for the Irish to watch the British starve for a change.
 
2019-03-13 10:03:42 AM  
How long can "I meant to do that" be a viable argument? I guess til they're falling off the cliff. I guess there is still a chance they can brilliantly pull this off.
 
2019-03-13 10:04:28 AM  
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2019-03-13 10:04:31 AM  
But, they had a bus!
 
2019-03-13 10:04:43 AM  
So, in light of the situation, Britannia waives the rules?
 
2019-03-13 10:04:44 AM  

it's interesting ...: Farking Clown Shoes: Carter Pewterschmidt: They raise tariffs on Haggis, we raise tariffs on Champagne....

Something tells me you haven't thought your cunning plan all the way through to the end.

Something like this, actually:
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Continuing...
the UK is reducing tariffs and opening up trade with lots of countries around the world

Eliminating tariffs because you're worried the price of everything will increase in addition to the massive shortages and economic gridlock isn't the same as opening up trade with lots of countries. In fact, given that there are very few treaties in place to replace those that will be eliminated by Brexit, it's just the opposite.

But by all means, please continue. Stiff upper lip and all that. Pip pip cheerio, I suppose.

lol, british food.


They killed millions of people around the world in a search for spices that would make their food edible.
 
2019-03-13 10:06:34 AM  
I hate to sound like a Brexit supporter (and I'm not), but this sort of thing is taking control, and they, as a nation, have the right to tariff as they will (mod treaties stating otherwise.) And I think it's wise if the alternative is, well, starvation.

It's also worth noting that there are standard for imported goods - if you want to plug into a British socket, you need to meet British electrical safety regulations. Given that your typical circuit in the UK is 240V 32A - yes, over 7 kilowatts! - there's good reason for them. (Warning: Don't step on the plug.) Aside: New construction has 30A breakers because of EU commonality, I wonder what'll happen to that. (Probably nothing, everybody sources 30A breakers now, why carry two parts?)

The problem is that there's no UK certified authorities because the EU did that (and in other countries, there's nothing certifying UK goods as complaint because the EU did that!) That makes trade harder because you need to inspect goods as they come into the country, rather than just verifying that they were certified by the sending country and letting them through. Inspections take MUCH longer, this is why Kent is worried about thousands of trucks getting stuck in line.
 
2019-03-13 10:06:38 AM  

Bloody William: I say this as a resident of a country where Donald Trump is president. Watching the UK march forward based on blind, poorly conceived nationalist pride in the face of every warning of what a disaster its actions will cause, absolutely refusing to even consider going back and rethinking its decision, is baffling.


It warms my heart to know there are other nations full of dumb asses out there.  Especially when whose populace has a pretty great sense of superiority.  Watching them wreck themselves over basically a non real perception of autonomy has been kinda hillarious.
 
2019-03-13 10:08:18 AM  

Bloody William: I say this as a resident of a country where Donald Trump is president. Watching the UK march forward based on blind, poorly conceived nationalist pride in the face of every warning of what a disaster its actions will cause, absolutely refusing to even consider going back and rethinking its decision, is baffling.


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Donald Trump is UKs fault too.
We're gonna need a scapegoat when this is done and I don't feel right blaming the Jews for this one.
 
2019-03-13 10:08:46 AM  

Xai: a) We're literally going to have to leave northern Ireland as part of Europe, that has been admitted - that doesn't seem much of a win when we're putting checks and border controls inside our own country.


While I'm not sure it's any more of a win, you could avoid having border controls inside your own country by ceding Northern Ireland back to the Republic of Ireland.
 
2019-03-13 10:08:58 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Standards still apply, so Chinese goods will still have to meet UK safety rules etc.


I think the most realistic outcome in a no-deal scenario is that the UK is forced to negotiate from a point of weakness. "Ah, you're desperate for ABC product that you don't produce yourself but have lots of XYZ rotting in warehouses thanks to EU tariff policy making you noncompetitive. We'll happily make a trade....But, before we can discuss further, you need to give us free access rights to shove our disgusting chlorinated chicken and corn-fed, antibiotic-laden cow flesh down your throats!"

Standards will fall because the UK has very little leverage as a lone country which just lost tariff-free access to its biggest trading partner. Disaster capitalism will rear its ugly head. There are no such thing as friends in geopolitics.
 
2019-03-13 10:09:18 AM  
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2019-03-13 10:10:26 AM  
Why don't you Leavers go ahead and organize some tiki torch marches chanting "muslims will not replace us!"
 
2019-03-13 10:11:13 AM  

it's interesting ...: lol, british food.


The "legend" of British Food came from the effects of WWII, check out how long rationing went on. The UK had a very broken economy after six years of war.

The food has gotten much better since 2000, "Gastropubs" are a thing and they could have VERY good food indeed. (The Albion in Chester leaps to mind.)
 
2019-03-13 10:12:21 AM  

abb3w: Xai: a) We're literally going to have to leave northern Ireland as part of Europe, that has been admitted - that doesn't seem much of a win when we're putting checks and border controls inside our own country.

While I'm not sure it's any more of a win, you could avoid having border controls inside your own country by ceding Northern Ireland back to the Republic of Ireland.


The fact that they're marching forward blindly with this even after acknowledging the massive clusterfark Ireland/Northern Ireland presents as a part of it. Clusterfark to the point of any action outside of de facto ceding the entire island to EU resulting in a rekindled Troubles.
 
2019-03-13 10:13:33 AM  

spiritplumber: So, in light of the situation, Britannia waives the rules?


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2019-03-13 10:13:52 AM  
Under the plan, the UK car industry will receive some protection, with some imported cars attracting tariffs.
But car parts from the EU would be tariff free, which will help car plants in the UK.


Someone should give Parliament a quick history of Trump's easy-to-win trade war.  Because for some reason they don't seem to understand that those car plants aren't going to helped by the EU's entirely predicable retaliatory tariffs on British made cars.
 
2019-03-13 10:13:54 AM  

DoctorCal: Why don't you Leavers go ahead and organize some tiki torch marches chanting "muslims will not replace us!"


Eastern Europeans. The muslim thing is somewhat new, and thanks to Indian/Pakistan, they've had contact with Muslims and Hindi for a long while. The "they took our jobs" crowd is mad at Eastern Europeans, which is why they want out of the EU - to stop the free movement of EU citizens into the UK.
 
2019-03-13 10:14:06 AM  

Shaggy_C: Carter Pewterschmidt: Standards still apply, so Chinese goods will still have to meet UK safety rules etc.

I think the most realistic outcome in a no-deal scenario is that the UK is forced to negotiate from a point of weakness. "Ah, you're desperate for ABC product that you don't produce yourself but have lots of XYZ rotting in warehouses thanks to EU tariff policy making you noncompetitive. We'll happily make a trade....But, before we can discuss further, you need to give us free access rights to shove our disgusting chlorinated chicken and corn-fed, antibiotic-laden cow flesh down your throats!"


I like that they're counting on the Trump admin for a favorable trade deal.
 
2019-03-13 10:14:18 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: it's interesting ...: lol, british food.

The "legend" of British Food came from the effects of WWII, check out how long rationing went on. The UK had a very broken economy after six years of war.

The food has gotten much better since 2000, "Gastropubs" are a thing and they could have VERY good food indeed. (The Albion in Chester leaps to mind.)


Words no one has ever said: Hey honey, how about we just stay in tonite, put on a movie, and order in some British food.
 
2019-03-13 10:16:29 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Carter Pewterschmidt: They raise tariffs on Haggis, we raise tariffs on Champagne....

Something tells me you haven't thought your cunning plan all the way through to the end.

Something like this, actually:
[img.fark.net image 850x637]

Continuing...
the UK is reducing tariffs and opening up trade with lots of countries around the world

Eliminating tariffs because you're worried the price of everything will increase in addition to the massive shortages and economic gridlock isn't the same as opening up trade with lots of countries. In fact, given that there are very few treaties in place to replace those that will be eliminated by Brexit, it's just the opposite.

But by all means, please continue. Stiff upper lip and all that. Pip pip cheerio, I suppose.


You can move the beans too, they're made in the Netherlands
 
2019-03-13 10:16:44 AM  

Xai: OK, where to start;
a) We're literally going to have to leave northern Ireland as part of Europe, that has been admitted - that doesn't seem much of a win when we're putting checks and border controls inside our own country.
b) To remove tariffs from EU goods it requires us to remove tariffs from all goods (WTO rules), meaning we have no control over cheap Chinese imports etc anymore and we lose 1/3rd of tariff-based revenue.
c) Worse still, removing tariffs from EU goods is unilateral, meaning they can still put tariffs on our imports and they have already stated they will do so.
d) This is before we have to consider the cost in both time and money of these new border checkpoints, the government has already set aside £1bn to cover setting these up, but admitted it may cost much more, plus that doesn't cover operating costs which will likely be covered by transport companies then passed to consumers.

The problem is that wilful ignorance won't change reality.


TL:DR - It will be a shiatshow.
 
2019-03-13 10:17:32 AM  
I love the daily question of "will my company exist after the 29th?". It is sooo much fun!
 
2019-03-13 10:18:01 AM  

kbronsito: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: it's interesting ...: lol, british food.

The "legend" of British Food came from the effects of WWII, check out how long rationing went on. The UK had a very broken economy after six years of war.

The food has gotten much better since 2000, "Gastropubs" are a thing and they could have VERY good food indeed. (The Albion in Chester leaps to mind.)

Words no one has ever said: Hey honey, how about we just stay in tonite, put on a movie, and order in some British food.


Not sure why, because you don't order in food because it's good, you order in food because you don't want to go out or cook.
 
2019-03-13 10:19:10 AM  

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Narrator: They didn't


In fact legally they couldn't. Another lie by the Leave camp.
 
2019-03-13 10:20:34 AM  
British government: We will reduce tariffs after Brexit to make sure we don't starve.
Fark Resident Brexiteer: Our plan is coming together perfectly!  All you who said this was a stupid idea are going to look so dumb!
 
2019-03-13 10:23:19 AM  

Karac: British government: We will reduce tariffs after Brexit to make sure we don't starve.
Fark Resident Brexiteer: Our plan is coming together perfectly!  All you who said this was a stupid idea are going to look so dumb!


So he's still around.  wonder what excuse he'll give Mid-April.
 
2019-03-13 10:26:29 AM  
What will immediately hit the poors (and by definition the people from deprived areas - which just happen to be by and large the areas which were strongly in support of leaving the EU) will be the introduction of tariffs on basic foodstuffs we import from the EU. These tariffs have been promised to ensure that British farmers are not disadvantaged by cheap imports, consequently it's an absolute given that food prices will rise - substantially.

People from Kings Lynn, Blackpool and Hartlepool aren't necessarily going to be put off by a 10% rise in the price of a new BMW or a 25% rise in the price of a bottle of Moet et Chandon champagne, but I'm not convinced that they will be happy when they see that their basic groceries have increased in price, no matter how much they people they have listened to in the past tell them that it's all the fault of filthy unelected Eurocrats.
 
2019-03-13 10:26:30 AM  
Revoke Article 50, you twats.
 
2019-03-13 10:28:59 AM  
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I will never not laugh at this. The writing is sharp as a farking tack.
 
2019-03-13 10:30:57 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Well over half the UKs current imports already go through such checkpoints and controls. Those already exist. It's not like we have to start them up from scratch.

Really this is typical of Fark.
Re Brexit: "Tariffs are bad! Therefore Brexit is bad because it will mean tariffs!"
UK announces new tariffs that will reduce overall tariffs: "OMG! The UK is bad! This is terrible!"

Farkers have been claiming the UK is leaving free trade and heading down the protectionism route with Brexit, and now they're complaining because the UK is reducing tariffs and opening up trade with lots of countries around the world. They complain when Trump puts tariffs on stiff and now they're complaining the UK is reducing them.


It does sound really stupid when an idiot oversimplifies it to tariffs must be 100% good in all circumstances or 100% bad in all circumstances, I agree.
 
2019-03-13 10:31:01 AM  
Carter Pewterschmidt:

If the EU picks some tariffs to raise to specifically target the UK, meaning they'd apply to everyone but specifically hit goods the UK is a big producer of, the UK could chose to raise tariffs to target specifically the EU if it wanted to.

As always seems to need to be pointed out to you, the EU does not need the economic spending power of the UK anywhere near as much as the UK relies on the EU.
 
2019-03-13 10:31:15 AM  

Karac: British government: We will reduce tariffs after Brexit to make sure we don't starve.
Fark Resident Brexiteer: Our plan is coming together perfectly!  All you who said this was a stupid idea are going to look so dumb!


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2019-03-13 10:32:40 AM  
Interesting that Hammond mentioned a "Deal dividend" in his pre-budget statement.
Let me translate that for you...

The billions we have currently stolen from the Police and the National Health Service to put aside for managing the shiatshow of a no-deal exit from the EU will instead be spent on other things.
 
2019-03-13 10:36:25 AM  

Bloody William: I say this as a resident of a country where Donald Trump is president. Watching the UK march forward based on blind, poorly conceived nationalist pride in the face of every warning of what a disaster its actions will cause, absolutely refusing to even consider going back and rethinking its decision, is baffling.


Conservatives are pig-ignorant and stubborn everywhere in the world.  The U.K. variety, which helped spawn the sub-species you have in the US, are also self destructive and violently opposed to admitting to mistakes in order to correct wrongheaded action.

In other words; you learned it from us, son.
 
2019-03-13 10:36:29 AM  

kbronsito: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: it's interesting ...: lol, british food.

The "legend" of British Food came from the effects of WWII, check out how long rationing went on. The UK had a very broken economy after six years of war.

The food has gotten much better since 2000, "Gastropubs" are a thing and they could have VERY good food indeed. (The Albion in Chester leaps to mind.)

Words no one has ever said: Hey honey, how about we just stay in tonite, put on a movie, and order in some British food.


What's wrong with ordering in lard sandwiches, rock cod, black pudding, tripe, stargazy pie with oily fish heads poking out, spotted dick, those stomach-encased pork meatballs with the same name as a homophobic slur, toad in the hole, haggis, vegetables boiled into a grey and flavourless mush, chip butties, warm muddy beer and a piece of parkin for afters?
 
Juc
2019-03-13 10:38:29 AM  

Xai: OK, where to start;
a) We're literally going to have to leave northern Ireland as part of Europe, that has been admitted - that doesn't seem much of a win when we're putting checks and border controls inside our own country.
b) To remove tariffs from EU goods it requires us to remove tariffs from all goods (WTO rules), meaning we have no control over cheap Chinese imports etc anymore and we lose 1/3rd of tariff-based revenue.
c) Worse still, removing tariffs from EU goods is unilateral, meaning they can still put tariffs on our imports and they have already stated they will do so.
d) This is before we have to consider the cost in both time and money of these new border checkpoints, the government has already set aside £1bn to cover setting these up, but admitted it may cost much more, plus that doesn't cover operating costs which will likely be covered by transport companies then passed to consumers.

The problem is that wilful ignorance won't change reality.


I bet northern ireland will be just cut loose and be independent to make this all go away in the end, if article 50 isn't revoked.

having a bunch of stuff tariff free is better than the alternative of food shortages etc.
This is all stuff the powers that be should have had squared away a loooooooooooong time ago. I don't think they even were taking themselves seriously with the leaving the EU thing.

the place is filled with idea men that have no idea how to actually do something
 
2019-03-13 10:41:43 AM  

luckyeddie: What will immediately hit the poors (and by definition the people from deprived areas - which just happen to be by and large the areas which were strongly in support of leaving the EU) will be the introduction of tariffs on basic foodstuffs we import from the EU. These tariffs have been promised to ensure that British farmers are not disadvantaged by cheap imports, consequently it's an absolute given that food prices will rise - substantially.

People from Kings Lynn, Blackpool and Hartlepool aren't necessarily going to be put off by a 10% rise in the price of a new BMW or a 25% rise in the price of a bottle of Moet et Chandon champagne, but I'm not convinced that they will be happy when they see that their basic groceries have increased in price, no matter how much they people they have listened to in the past tell them that it's all the fault of filthy unelected Eurocrats.


Let them eat cake.  Real expensive cake.
 
2019-03-13 10:41:44 AM  
If true this may be the smartest idea the current UK government has had. If I were king my kingdom would have free trade---including zero tariffs---with everybody. To my mind the only real economic argument for Brexit was that it would allow UK governments to have fewer restrictions on imports than does the EU.

The real problem is how to get the continent (or Ireland) to buy British goods to pay for all the imports.
 
2019-03-13 10:44:40 AM  
Oh yeah, England has the EU right where they want them.
 
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