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(NBC Washington)   Man who shot Alexandria police officer in head in 2013 was released last year due to "insanity" ruling, allowed to buy gun due to "human error" and has most recently been arrested for starting fires   (nbcwashington.com) divider line
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2019-03-13 12:03:18 PM  
Every man has his breaking point.Mine are my knees, elbows and wrists.
 
2019-03-13 02:49:23 PM  
This country is a curse on the 2nd Amendment
 
2019-03-13 02:51:25 PM  
Is it just a state-level disbarment? Can he purchase firearms outside of Virginia?
 
2019-03-13 02:51:41 PM  
Are you the Bashir that's on the do not sell list?

No. That's my identical twin brother. We share the same name, social, etc. He's crazy. In fact, I'm buying a gun to protect me from me, er, him.

Sounds legit. You want a silencer or a louse we?
 
2019-03-13 02:51:57 PM  
Loudener
 
2019-03-13 02:52:14 PM  
Bashir, 33, was re-arrested last month after he was found with guns and accused of setting fires, Prince William County officials said.

Maybe he should have been put on the list so someone wouldn't have sold him fire.
 
2019-03-13 02:53:13 PM  
The guns I understand as a clerical error, but were the suppressors purchased from a dealer as well? Those are supposed to require an NFA stamp through the ATF that last I heard could take over 6 months to get.
 
2019-03-13 02:53:48 PM  
Why the "quotes" around "insanity"?  Guy is obviously a few "cards" short of a full "deck".
 
2019-03-13 02:54:39 PM  

hausman007: The guns I understand as a clerical error, but were the suppressors purchased from a dealer as well? Those are supposed to require an NFA stamp through the ATF that last I heard could take over 6 months to get.


The article doesn't say where he got the suppressor. It's likely illegally acquired.
 
2019-03-13 02:56:38 PM  
Well, psychosis was always a possible side effect of the genetic engineering process.  That's why we didn't tell you, then you applied to Starfleet Medical.
 
2019-03-13 02:57:17 PM  
Look, I can only troll instigate conversation in one gun thread a day.
My mailbox is already piled up from all of the flamewars logical discourse from earlier.
 
2019-03-13 02:58:02 PM  
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2019-03-13 02:58:07 PM  
But other than that he led a blameless life?
 
2019-03-13 02:58:48 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Are you the Bashir that's on the do not sell list?

No. That's my identical twin brother. We share the same name, social, etc. He's crazy. In fact, I'm buying a gun to protect me from me, er, him.

Sounds legit. You want a silencer or a louse we?


Another dummy who doesn't understand guns or gun laws. Louse we's have been illegal since 1952.
 
2019-03-13 02:59:13 PM  
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2019-03-13 02:59:26 PM  
I'm actually surprised that the guy didn't "commit suicide" in jail, or "resist arrest" and become "combative" when they took him in the second time.

I guess that's a good thing.
Kudos, Virginia cops.
 
2019-03-13 02:59:33 PM  

hausman007: The guns I understand as a clerical error, but were the suppressors purchased from a dealer as well? Those are supposed to require an NFA stamp through the ATF that last I heard could take over 6 months to get.


I am still waiting for approval of an SBR that I bought in March. Last year.
 
2019-03-13 03:00:43 PM  
Just like the Founding Fathers intended (as long as he's white)
 
2019-03-13 03:00:49 PM  

mrmopar5287: hausman007: The guns I understand as a clerical error, but were the suppressors purchased from a dealer as well? Those are supposed to require an NFA stamp through the ATF that last I heard could take over 6 months to get.

The article doesn't say where he got the suppressor. It's likely illegally acquired.


If you hold a pillow against the barrel of the gun it will decrease the noise quite a bit.  It is a stupid idea for several reasons, and that is why I, nor anyone I know, has ever tried this.
 
2019-03-13 03:00:53 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Are you the Bashir that's on the do not sell list?

No. That's my identical twin brother. We share the same name, social, etc. He's crazy. In fact, I'm buying a gun to protect me from me, er, him.

Sounds legit. You want a silencer or a louse we?


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this is how we feel when we read word salad.
 
2019-03-13 03:03:09 PM  
What is pass another law making this sort of behavior illegal?

 
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2019-03-13 03:06:10 PM  
Way to go, Virginia.  You guys farked that one up when Cho purchased his guns too.

Then the NRA lobbied for, and got, increased funding for states so this crap wouldn't keep happening, yet here we are.
 
2019-03-13 03:07:45 PM  
Well when you start from the position that gun ownership is a natural state of being rather than a privilege, then it's pretty hard to stay vigilant about triple-checking and confirming the eligibility of every purchaser every single time.

This is America, and more specifically, this is Virginia.  And we're really farking stupid about guns.
 
2019-03-13 03:08:02 PM  
Every Murican must have guns! It's in the Constitution. If you don't have a gun you are either black, poor, or a non-person, a slave or minor.

In order to fulfill the intention of the Founding Fathers, who were all rich men (except for that one well-to-do farmer) and therefore could afford hand-crafted very expensive guns, which were limited to the top 1.5% of income earners, you must insure that ALL LOONIES AND CRIMINALS MUST BE ARMED at the public expense, both literally and figuratively speakin.

That is all. If you argue you are a Commie Illegal Invader bringing the rape, the guns, and drugs, and some of you are good people I guess.
 
2019-03-13 03:10:49 PM  
Because the idea of a well-regulated militia of responsible citizens (of wealth and influence) is absurd, ipso facto. Just look at the National Guard, the Militias you have, and so forth. Not one of them is well-regulated, disciplined or pro-bono public goods. They're all a bunch of insurgent Sovereign Citizens.

As I said, you must arm the loonies and the criminals or the Second Amendment is toast. Nobody will want a loaded gun in their night stand or the refrigerator vegetable compartment where the kids might accidentally look for juice or something.
 
2019-03-13 03:14:23 PM  

ChipNASA: Bashir, 33, was re-arrested last month after he was found with guns and accused of setting fires, Prince William County officials said.

Maybe he should have been put on the list so someone wouldn't have sold him fire.


He was. They already caught the guy who gave it to him and he is being duly punished.

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2019-03-13 03:14:45 PM  

biggamehickman: Why the "quotes" around "insanity"?  Guy is obviously a few "cards" short of a full "deck".


And since when do we just turn insanity defendants loose?

I thought they got committed.
 
2019-03-13 03:17:54 PM  

hausman007: The guns I understand as a clerical error, but were the suppressors purchased from a dealer as well? Those are supposed to require an NFA stamp through the ATF that last I heard could take over 6 months to get.


I believe that you are correct. Here's what I found: clicky
 
2019-03-13 03:18:55 PM  

hausman007: Those are supposed to require an NFA stamp through the ATF that last I heard could take over 6 months to get.


Yup, usually around 8 due to increased sales. No way he accidentally got an NFA stamp, and people with stamps don't transfer them in parking lot transactions. I'm guessing homemade as it requires eBay and very little effort... if you like to do time in federal prison and hang out with Manafort that is.

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If you file the paperwork, you can have a legal supressor for $300 incl tax paid.
 
2019-03-13 03:18:59 PM  

Just Arrived: hausman007: The guns I understand as a clerical error, but were the suppressors purchased from a dealer as well? Those are supposed to require an NFA stamp through the ATF that last I heard could take over 6 months to get.

I believe that you are correct. Here's what I found: clicky


The Trump Shutdown added at least another month, and likely longer due to reduced staffing and a need to catch up on a lot of missed work during the downtime.
 
2019-03-13 03:20:25 PM  
Just how black do you have to have to be before they'll bother with the paperwork?

"Muhammad Hussein Muhammad of Nigeria, whose teeth you can see pictured here, allowed to buy gun due to "unbelievable levels of negligence", sources say"
 
2019-03-13 03:23:34 PM  
Virginia State Police are conducting an exhaustive review of their "Do Not Sell" list for firearms after a man who shot a police officer in the head in 2013 was recently allowed to buy a gun legally. Kashif Bashir, the man who shot Alexandria Officer Peter Laboy, was able to buy a gun because a "human error" was made in adding his name to a list of people barred from buying firearms

I think we all understand that the solution here is more laws banning rifles with barrel shrouds.
 
2019-03-13 03:24:01 PM  
Virginia State Police cannot do their job. Therefore, we must severely curtail everyone's ability to legally purchase any weapon. With fewer things being legal, it will make the police's jobs easier and they won't fark it up so much.
 
2019-03-13 03:24:01 PM  
That cop is lucky. He lives in a land of freedom, without the oppressive boot of the gun grabber on his neck
 
2019-03-13 03:31:48 PM  

hausman007: The guns I understand as a clerical error


Will the church stop at nothing?
 
2019-03-13 03:33:29 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: biggamehickman: Why the "quotes" around "insanity"?  Guy is obviously a few "cards" short of a full "deck".

And since when do we just turn insanity defendants loose?

I thought they got committed.


Up until such time as they are ruled to be of sound mind.
 
2019-03-13 03:40:54 PM  
He's a fire starter. A twisted fire starter.
 
2019-03-13 04:01:58 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: mrmopar5287: hausman007: The guns I understand as a clerical error, but were the suppressors purchased from a dealer as well? Those are supposed to require an NFA stamp through the ATF that last I heard could take over 6 months to get.

The article doesn't say where he got the suppressor. It's likely illegally acquired.

If you hold a pillow against the barrel of the gun it will decrease the noise quite a bit.  It is a stupid idea for several reasons, and that is why I, nor anyone I know, has ever tried this.


I've got threaded adapters to just screw on an oil filter. 9mm subsonic ammo is really quiet.
 
2019-03-13 04:19:43 PM  

BigNumber12: Virginia State Police are conducting an exhaustive review of their "Do Not Sell" list for firearms after a man who shot a police officer in the head in 2013 was recently allowed to buy a gun legally. Kashif Bashir, the man who shot Alexandria Officer Peter Laboy, was able to buy a gun because a "human error" was made in adding his name to a list of people barred from buying firearms

I think we all understand that the solution here is more laws banning rifles with barrel shrouds.


Why ban the shoulder thing that flips up?
 
2019-03-13 04:39:30 PM  

mrmopar5287: Is it just a state-level disbarment? Can he purchase firearms outside of Virginia?


The article didn't specifically say he was involuntarily committed, which would prevent you from acquiring a firearm anywhere in the US assuming it was reported to the FBI.

But, it did say per state law he was not allowed to be in possession, so even if he could pass a background check in another state, he still committed a crime in doing so.

So yes, he could go across state lines and legally buy a long arm and would not have committed a federal crime as best I can tell.
 
2019-03-13 04:44:27 PM  

cefm: Well when you start from the position that gun ownership is a natural state of being rather than a privilege, then it's pretty hard to stay vigilant about triple-checking and confirming the eligibility of every purchaser every single time.

This is America, and more specifically, this is Virginia.  And we're really farking stupid about guns.


If America didn't have that attitude, it would still be Britain.
 
2019-03-13 04:49:36 PM  
Look, I don't know what "clerical error" was made or what kind of "lists" you got, but I'm reviewing his application as a day care worker and need to know. Is he legit or not?
 
2019-03-13 05:08:51 PM  
How the fark was he allowed to buy a suppressor? I'm law enforcement and even I am on a waiting list for the ATF to get around to me. That's not human error. That's a disastrous fark up.
 
2019-03-13 05:11:09 PM  
It's almost as if people in the south don't take background checks seriously.
 
2019-03-13 05:16:43 PM  

MizzouFTW: How the fark was he allowed to buy a suppressor? I'm law enforcement and even I am on a waiting list for the ATF to get around to me. That's not human error. That's a disastrous fark up.


From the article, he was found with two guns and two suppressors. He purchased one of the guns from a store. There is no mention of where he got the other gun and the two suppressors, the omission of which seems to indicate they were not legally purchased.
 
2019-03-13 05:28:22 PM  
Clearly, since all the gun control laws in place were unenforced, we need more gun control.
 
2019-03-13 05:42:34 PM  

GodComplex: The article didn't specifically say he was involuntarily committed, which would prevent you from acquiring a firearm anywhere in the US assuming it was reported to the FBI.


Besides that whole "not guilty by reason of insanity" thing?
 
2019-03-13 06:03:43 PM  
Given how often the government seems to be farking up these background check, you could easily believe they are purposely allowing dangerous crazy people to get their hands on guns to cause another incident to further their gun-control agenda.  Personally, I believe incompetence is the explanation as I don't go for conspiracy theories.
 
2019-03-13 06:05:15 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: GodComplex: The article didn't specifically say he was involuntarily committed, which would prevent you from acquiring a firearm anywhere in the US assuming it was reported to the FBI.

Besides that whole "not guilty by reason of insanity" thing?


We need to eliminate that loophole and switch to "guilty but insane".  You still have to serve the full sentence AFTER you are declared competent.
 
2019-03-13 06:21:45 PM  

OgreMagi: NotThatGuyAgain: GodComplex: The article didn't specifically say he was involuntarily committed, which would prevent you from acquiring a firearm anywhere in the US assuming it was reported to the FBI.

Besides that whole "not guilty by reason of insanity" thing?

We need to eliminate that loophole and switch to "guilty but insane".  You still have to serve the full sentence AFTER you are declared competent.


We need more intelligence in the World but I don't see that happening.  What's comical is TFA says "A man who shot a police officer in the head in 2013 was recently able to buy a gun legally. "  No, no he did not buy it legally.
 
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