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(Twitter)   Thanks, Trump: A software fix for the 737 Max8 could have been ready as early as January -- but the government shutdown halted all work on the issue for 5 weeks. (w/video reporting)   (twitter.com) divider line
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2019-03-13 12:06:37 AM  
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2019-03-13 12:16:18 AM  
Wouldn't it be funny if the US Govt. and/or Trump administration were to get sued for wrongful death if this turns out to be true?

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2019-03-13 12:19:04 AM  

wkndfrk: Wouldn't it be funny if the US Govt. and/or Trump administration were to get sued for wrongful death if this turns out to be true?

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"If those lousy Democrats hadn't dragged it out, we'd have ended the shutdown in a day.  It's all their fault."
 
2019-03-13 12:20:31 AM  

Chariset: wkndfrk: Wouldn't it be funny if the US Govt. and/or Trump administration were to get sued for wrongful death if this turns out to be true?

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"If those lousy Democrats hadn't dragged it out, we'd have ended the shutdown in a day.  It's all their fault."


I would expect that to be the default argument.
 
2019-03-13 12:21:55 AM  

wkndfrk: Wouldn't it be funny if the US Govt. and/or Trump administration were to get sued for wrongful death if this turns out to be true?

/


I wonder what stock Trump and the Trump people that have secret info have on airplanes. I also wonder what kind of life insurance they have on all passnegers of those planes that are dangerous just to see if they can make any money out of it. The same way Walmart gets life insurance policies out on all their employees, and years later when they die..collect on it. After all..they paid into this "group" plan for all their employees..and since they get a cutrate, it's very profitable..since they keep all the money that is paid out.

I wonder about what an insurance fraudster like Trump is doing with plane insurance.
 
2019-03-13 12:24:35 AM  
So much winning.
 
2019-03-13 12:29:03 AM  

Kirablue42: wkndfrk: Wouldn't it be funny if the US Govt. and/or Trump administration were to get sued for wrongful death if this turns out to be true?

/

I wonder what stock Trump and the Trump people that have secret info have on airplanes. I also wonder what kind of life insurance they have on all passnegers of those planes that are dangerous just to see if they can make any money out of it. The same way Walmart gets life insurance policies out on all their employees, and years later when they die..collect on it. After all..they paid into this "group" plan for all their employees..and since they get a cutrate, it's very profitable..since they keep all the money that is paid out.

I wonder about what an insurance fraudster like Trump is doing with plane insurance.


How sad and disgusting it is to think that that's actually plausible. Yet here we are.
 
2019-03-13 12:38:47 AM  
Ok, I'll bite: how did the government taking a vacation stop a private company from fixing its own sh*t?
 
2019-03-13 12:45:02 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, I'll bite: how did the government taking a vacation stop a private company from fixing its own sh*t?


^ This right here.  This is all, 100% on Boeing.
 
2019-03-13 12:52:52 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, I'll bite: how did the government taking a vacation stop a private company from fixing its own sh*t?


Software likely can't be approved for use/distribution to operators until FAA gives approval. And it's also very likely that this specific task was not deemed "essential", thus the people responsible for it were not at work.
 
2019-03-13 12:56:07 AM  
Why is the government writing software for Boeing?
 
2019-03-13 01:33:01 AM  
See libs, you should've given Trump his wall from the beginning. Now look what happened.
 
2019-03-13 01:36:46 AM  

Chariset: wkndfrk: Wouldn't it be funny if the US Govt. and/or Trump administration were to get sued for wrongful death if this turns out to be true?

/

"If those lousy Democrats hadn't dragged it out, we'd have ended the shutdown in a day.  It's all their fault."


"If we don't get what we want ... I will shut down the government. And I am proud to shut down the government for border security.... I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it."

What I would give for that statement to come back and bite him right in his orange, mushy ass.
 
2019-03-13 01:39:17 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, I'll bite: how did the government taking a vacation stop a private company from fixing its own sh*t?

Software likely can't be approved for use/distribution to operators until FAA gives approval. And it's also very likely that this specific task was not deemed "essential", thus the people responsible for it were not at work.


Further, there was probably testing that needed to be done with the FAA. I've actually interacted with people at their testing facility myself. I'm certain they weren't at work during the shutdown.
 
2019-03-13 02:39:47 AM  

SurfaceTension: Grand_Moff_Joseph: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, I'll bite: how did the government taking a vacation stop a private company from fixing its own sh*t?

Software likely can't be approved for use/distribution to operators until FAA gives approval. And it's also very likely that this specific task was not deemed "essential", thus the people responsible for it were not at work.

Further, there was probably testing that needed to be done with the FAA. I've actually interacted with people at their testing facility myself. I'm certain they weren't at work during the shutdown.


So, I wonder if there's a chance that Boeing could sue the government over this.
 
2019-03-13 02:39:59 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, I'll bite: how did the government taking a vacation stop a private company from fixing its own sh*t?


Because they probably can't just write the patch and send it out: The effects of the patch have to be tested in simulated flights in wind tunnels, FAA has to approve the patch and, I suspect, oversee some of the testing...
 
2019-03-13 02:43:13 AM  
Sounds like a real National Emergency.
 
2019-03-13 02:43:35 AM  

optikeye: So much winning.


He was right. I'm sick of it.
 
2019-03-13 02:44:10 AM  
Word on the street is India shot it down.
 
2019-03-13 02:44:22 AM  
From the WSJ article:

The FAA concluded the delay was acceptable because its experts agreed with Boeing that there was no imminent safety threat

Oops.
 
2019-03-13 02:45:23 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, I'll bite: how did the government taking a vacation stop a private company from fixing its own sh*t?

^ This right here.  This is all, 100% on Boeing.


No, as others said, Boeing probably needed FAA approval to distribute the patch.  Even if Boeing rushed to complete the work, they were almost certainly unable to get it deployed right away.
 
2019-03-13 02:49:20 AM  
I think Trump is an incompetent jackass, and he's filling the federal government with incompetent jackasses day by day, but this is a stretch.  Here's what I think is going on.

1) Trump is trying to flog Boeing jets to China as part of the trade negotiations: https://www.reuters.com​/article/us-boe​ing-trade/boeing-jets-could-be-part-of​-broad-u-s-china-trade-deal-ceo-idUSKC​N1QO2CB (note that this article was written before the Ethiopia crash)

2) Admitting that there's a defect in the 737 Max-8 that got past FAA certification is an embarrassment to the FAA and the US's position as the world's aviation regulator.

2-b) China is trying to establish its own aviation safety agency as a direct competitor to the FAA, and we can't have that.

3) I don't believe that a 5 week shutdown over the holidays made much of a difference.  Boeing could have kept working on tests once people got back from vacation.  This isn't their first rodeo, as the saying goes, so they know what the FAA will expect from a software patch.
 
2019-03-13 02:51:45 AM  

Felgraf: Because they probably can't just write the patch and send it out: The effects of the patch have to be tested in simulated flights in wind tunnels, FAA has to approve the patch and, I suspect, oversee some of the testing...


Boeing would have had to make clear the the plane is not airworthy without the patch, which they have not yet admitted to.  In other words, unless Boeing said to the FAA, "our planes will be crashing without this patch" (which they didn't) then it is still a case of Boeing withholding or severely downplaying the severity of the situation.
 
2019-03-13 02:53:40 AM  
The Administration will point to this as further "proof" that deregulation would save lives.
 
2019-03-13 02:53:59 AM  

AbuHashish: Word on the street is India shot it down.


Nuh uh!  It was Pakistan!
 
2019-03-13 02:54:43 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Marcus Aurelius: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ok, I'll bite: how did the government taking a vacation stop a private company from fixing its own sh*t?

^ This right here.  This is all, 100% on Boeing.

No, as others said, Boeing probably needed FAA approval to distribute the patch.  Even if Boeing rushed to complete the work, they were almost certainly unable to get it deployed right away.


I thought the same thing initially. Watch the video. That's exactly it - they had the fix ready to go and needed FAA regulator approval and it was stopped because of that.
 
2019-03-13 02:57:09 AM  

Big Lee: AbuHashish: Word on the street is India shot it down.

Nuh uh!  It was Pakistan!


They got one apiece.
 
2019-03-13 02:57:28 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Felgraf: Because they probably can't just write the patch and send it out: The effects of the patch have to be tested in simulated flights in wind tunnels, FAA has to approve the patch and, I suspect, oversee some of the testing...

Boeing would have had to make clear the the plane is not airworthy without the patch, which they have not yet admitted to.  In other words, unless Boeing said to the FAA, "our planes will be crashing without this patch" (which they didn't) then it is still a case of Boeing withholding or severely downplaying the severity of the situation.


Right, or the FAA could order it after an investigation, but the results of investigations are months away.  The US is understandably downplaying the crashes for political reasons, but I'm disappointed that the FAA is playing that game.
 
2019-03-13 02:58:26 AM  

geoduck42: Big Lee: AbuHashish: Word on the street is India shot it down.

Nuh uh!  It was Pakistan!

They got one apiece.


Fair enough.  We'll call it a draw.
 
2019-03-13 02:59:53 AM  
Maybe they're both wrong.
 
2019-03-13 03:00:41 AM  
So....the fact that there is a "fix" in the works, pretty much means that Elaine Chow and the FAA are totally full of shiat that nothing is wrong with these planes...right?

After the 2nd crash all the planes should have been grounded.  I'm sure after this report, that will happen.
 
2019-03-13 03:04:12 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Felgraf: Because they probably can't just write the patch and send it out: The effects of the patch have to be tested in simulated flights in wind tunnels, FAA has to approve the patch and, I suspect, oversee some of the testing...

Boeing would have had to make clear the the plane is not airworthy without the patch, which they have not yet admitted to.  In other words, unless Boeing said to the FAA, "our planes will be crashing without this patch" (which they didn't) then it is still a case of Boeing withholding or severely downplaying the severity of the situation.


Fair point.
 
2019-03-13 03:05:49 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Felgraf: Because they probably can't just write the patch and send it out: The effects of the patch have to be tested in simulated flights in wind tunnels, FAA has to approve the patch and, I suspect, oversee some of the testing...

Boeing would have had to make clear the the plane is not airworthy without the patch, which they have not yet admitted to.  In other words, unless Boeing said to the FAA, "our planes will be crashing without this patch" (which they didn't) then it is still a case of Boeing withholding or severely downplaying the severity of the situation.


Boeing needs a higher authority to check their work and prove that their planes will not be crashing even more with this patch, or they end up like Microsoft, patching patches that broke patches.
 
2019-03-13 03:07:28 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: No, as others said, Boeing probably needed FAA approval to distribute the patch.


The FAA has no authority over civil airliners in use exclusively in Europe, Africa, or Asia. Nothing the FAA did or didn't do affected the ability of Boeing to distribute software updates to civil airline end-users in places other than the US.
 
2019-03-13 03:09:22 AM  
Man, we should probably ask Boeing to take care of their own programming. Our government has it's hands full.
 
2019-03-13 03:13:06 AM  

evilsofa: ThrobblefootSpectre: Felgraf: Because they probably can't just write the patch and send it out: The effects of the patch have to be tested in simulated flights in wind tunnels, FAA has to approve the patch and, I suspect, oversee some of the testing...

Boeing would have had to make clear the the plane is not airworthy without the patch, which they have not yet admitted to.  In other words, unless Boeing said to the FAA, "our planes will be crashing without this patch" (which they didn't) then it is still a case of Boeing withholding or severely downplaying the severity of the situation.

Boeing needs a higher authority to check their work and prove that their planes will not be crashing even more with this patch, or they end up like Microsoft, patching patches that broke patches.


Sorry, Boeing isnt MickeySoft.

They know how to do QA, especially in a farkup like this.  That patch has been hammered in everyway every demented bastard they have on payroll to think of.  But now it has to pass FAA tests, which are much less strict.

If the FAA farks up, it is an "Opps, our bad, we did not catch the manufacturers error".  If Boeing farks up, again, it destroys a multimillion dollar business.

Boing is waiting on the FAA to get their thumbs, heads, and other body bits out of their ass and verify the oatch.
 
2019-03-13 03:15:17 AM  

evilsofa: Boeing needs a higher authority to check their work


Linux Torvalds?
 
2019-03-13 03:16:18 AM  

Harry_Seldon: evilsofa: Boeing needs a higher authority to check their work

Linus Linux Torvalds?


Damn spell check
 
2019-03-13 03:17:30 AM  
Here's an idea.  Elaine Chao and the Board of Directors and CEO of Boeing have to live and work in a 737 Max 8, that is constantly taking off and landing, until they ether admit they knew about a serious problem or prove there never was one.
 
2019-03-13 03:17:52 AM  
I bet Trump wishes he hadn't publicly owned the shutdown. Oh right, he'll keep pretending he didn't.
 
2019-03-13 03:20:56 AM  

wkndfrk: Wouldn't it be funny if the US Govt. and/or Trump administration were to get sued for wrongful death if this turns out to be true?

/


Boeing Commercial Products is not a Defense Contractor.
/which means this falls on the CEO.
 
2019-03-13 03:21:57 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Felgraf: Because they probably can't just write the patch and send it out: The effects of the patch have to be tested in simulated flights in wind tunnels, FAA has to approve the patch and, I suspect, oversee some of the testing...

Boeing would have had to make clear the the plane is not airworthy without the patch, which they have not yet admitted to.  In other words, unless Boeing said to the FAA, "our planes will be crashing without this patch" (which they didn't) then it is still a case of Boeing withholding or severely downplaying the severity of the situation.


This is the same as ECOing an FDA device
/the ECO is to "improve functionality"
 
2019-03-13 03:22:57 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Harry_Seldon: evilsofa: Boeing needs a higher authority to check their work

Linus Linux Torvalds?

Damn spell check


Linus tortillas.

My spell check is worse.
 
2019-03-13 03:27:18 AM  

feckingmorons: Why is the government writing software for Boeing?


It's not. It's making sure Boeing adheres to regulations or else shiat like this happens.

Remember: Boeing wasn't planning on doing anything about it after the first plane (the Indonesian flight back in October) went down until the FAA got on its ass and said "Fix this or else!" And they did, but then Trump shut the government down which prevented FAA approval and implementation of the fix.

Fun fact: Every first world country has now banned all flights with this specific plane -- the Boeing 737 MAX 8 -- except one.

Guess which one that is.
 
2019-03-13 03:28:37 AM  
Look, Trump isn't the best president, I don't even think he's fit to be president with the stuff he's been saying and the things he's done, BUT you can't blame everything on him just because you dislike/hate him. If your crazy "alt-right" neighbor shoots somebody's kid, it's not Trump's fault. It's the crazy "alt-right" neighbor's fault.
 
2019-03-13 03:40:06 AM  
You read it on twitter, it must be true.

Tell me submitter, why would software engineers doing work for Boeing not be working during a government shutdown?

fark you assmitter.


Use some god damned common sense.
 
2019-03-13 03:42:01 AM  

wkndfrk: Wouldn't it be funny if the US Govt. and/or Trump administration were to get sued for wrongful death if this turns out to be true?

/


Someone will try.  But they won't win.

And they shouldn't win.
 
2019-03-13 03:42:56 AM  

Ishkur: feckingmorons: Why is the government writing software for Boeing?

It's not. It's making sure Boeing adheres to regulations or else shiat like this happens.

Remember: Boeing wasn't planning on doing anything about it after the first plane (the Indonesian flight back in October) went down until the FAA got on its ass and said "Fix this or else!" And they did, but then Trump shut the government down which prevented FAA approval and implementation of the fix.

Fun fact: Every first world country has now banned all flights with this specific plane -- the Boeing 737 MAX 8 -- except one.

Guess which one that is.


Japan?
 
2019-03-13 03:44:02 AM  

Kirablue42: wkndfrk: Wouldn't it be funny if the US Govt. and/or Trump administration were to get sued for wrongful death if this turns out to be true?

/

I wonder what stock Trump and the Trump people that have secret info have on airplanes. I also wonder what kind of life insurance they have on all passnegers of those planes that are dangerous just to see if they can make any money out of it. The same way Walmart gets life insurance policies out on all their employees, and years later when they die..collect on it. After all..they paid into this "group" plan for all their employees..and since they get a cutrate, it's very profitable..since they keep all the money that is paid out.

I wonder about what an insurance fraudster like Trump is doing with plane insurance.


Really?  You're going "full purposeful conspiracy"?

The whole shutdown was devised just to crash these planes?

I suspect this must be tongue in cheek, because if not, you're a farking idiot.
 
2019-03-13 03:45:54 AM  

Alien Robot: HMS_Blinkin: No, as others said, Boeing probably needed FAA approval to distribute the patch.

The FAA has no authority over civil airliners in use exclusively in Europe, Africa, or Asia. Nothing the FAA did or didn't do affected the ability of Boeing to distribute software updates to civil airline end-users in places other than the US.


Boy, that sounds like a real conundrum, don't it? For the war-weary libertarian: Who to blame, who to blame.

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