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2019-03-12 03:47:04 PM  
The guy is a Sovereign Citizen person of color, excuse me, entity of color, who committed armed robbery in north Georgia and then represented himself in a jury trial.

In north Georgia*.

I suspect the verdict was something like the one at the end of The Producers:
"Your Honor, we find the defendant incredibly guilty."

*For those of you unfamiliar with the area, here are some census data:
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2019-03-12 04:51:28 PM  
dpoisn.com By your command

//Don't get to use that one too much
 
2019-03-12 04:52:10 PM  
He sounds like someone who needs to get a brain.
 
2019-03-12 04:55:37 PM  
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2019-03-12 04:56:38 PM  
Wouldn't it be insulting to cylons to compare this dipshiat with one?
 
2019-03-12 04:57:03 PM  
"As a true flesh and blood American and sovereign citizen..."
/ Dual citizenship?
 
2019-03-12 04:58:05 PM  
Now drag him in for prosecution for lying to the court. He can't both be a Sovereign Citizen and an artificial being.
 
2019-03-12 05:01:55 PM  
Yes, they're dumbasses who need to do time.  But in a lot of places you can murder someone and not get 55 years.
 
2019-03-12 05:03:12 PM  
I thought the sentence was excessive until I read the charges he was guilty of included 'kidnapping'. The article did not mention that in the text.
 
2019-03-12 05:03:39 PM  
I hope that if I ever have to serve jury duty, I get an entertaining one like this.
 
2019-03-12 05:05:00 PM  
From the article:
"One of papers filed by Mormon to Judge Weaver and District Attorney Sosebee states: "As a true flesh and blood American and sovereign citizen, I refuse to participate in any colorable law schemes or practices". "

Um, how is one a "true flesh and blood American" and not bound by American laws?
 
2019-03-12 05:05:56 PM  
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55 to 4. There isn't a direct basis of comparison just sayin'
 
2019-03-12 05:06:09 PM  
Ok, he's pretty much automatically guilty if he uses sov cit bullshiat as his sole defense, so that both explains and justifies the jury needing a whole 20 minutes to convict.

The 55 years for robbery, though? Black in Georgia.
 
2019-03-12 05:06:32 PM  

whitroth: From the article:
"One of papers filed by Mormon to Judge Weaver and District Attorney Sosebee states: "As a true flesh and blood American and sovereign citizen, I refuse to participate in any colorable law schemes or practices". "

Um, how is one a "true flesh and blood American" and not bound by American laws?


Sovereign Citizens: It's only the law to me if I like the outcome.
 
2019-03-12 05:08:34 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Yes, they're dumbasses who need to do time.  But in a lot of places you can murder someone and not get 55 years.


And that's for someone for whom the judge said she was sympathetic:

Before handing down the sentence Weaver addressed her feelings on the case involving Mormon, "I guess of the three defendants I have a little more sympathy for him because of his background...than I have for the others."
Weaver went on to explain that after having read Mormon's evaluation by the state and given the details of his past that she felt "he never really had a chance".


Farking hell. I guess if she hadn't found him sympathetic, he'd have been burned at the stake or something.
 
2019-03-12 05:08:38 PM  
I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for him. If he's telling the truth and really believes it, he's mentally ill and a danger to our society. If not, he's an idiot and a danger to our society.

I'm not really a proponent of the death penalty, but I bet if we started agreeing with folks who declared themselves sovereign citizens by saying "Very well. If you are not beholden to our laws, you are also not subject to our protections," and then just shot them in the face, we'd have fewer shenanigans like this.
 
2019-03-12 05:16:00 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: whitroth: From the article:
"One of papers filed by Mormon to Judge Weaver and District Attorney Sosebee states: "As a true flesh and blood American and sovereign citizen, I refuse to participate in any colorable law schemes or practices". "

Um, how is one a "true flesh and blood American" and not bound by American laws?

Sovereign Citizens: It's only the law to me if I like the outcome.


Oh, or unless you're a billionaire ("what's the address of your reelection campaign, Attorney?")
 
2019-03-12 05:16:34 PM  
"As a true flesh and blood American and sovereign citizen, I refuse to participate in any colorable law schemes or practices".

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2019-03-12 05:18:50 PM  
Wow 55 years,

If he did that in California he would be out in 6 months.
 
2019-03-12 05:20:14 PM  

Yawp: I thought the sentence was excessive until I read the charges he was guilty of included 'kidnapping'. The article did not mention that in the text.


Likely due to holding the employees hostage at gunpoint during the robbery. Preventing those people from leaving the premises could be construed as unlawful detainment, or in other words, kidnapping.
 
2019-03-12 05:26:53 PM  

trerro: Ok, he's pretty much automatically guilty if he uses sov cit bullshiat as his sole defense, so that both explains and justifies the jury needing a whole 20 minutes to convict.

The 55 years for robbery, though? Black in Georgia.


55 years for armed robbery... plus kidnapping, evading arrest, reckless endangerment, and possibly unlawful possession of a weapon. There were more crimes committed in the single act of robbery than just the robbery itself. That shiat adds up if a person is unwilling or unable to mount a defense more competent than "your laws have no power here!" (Because I say so)
 
2019-03-12 05:32:26 PM  
It takes an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance to believe you're a Sovereign Citizen.  More than just about any religion or anti-science movement I can think of.
 
2019-03-12 05:43:19 PM  

Unobtanium: The guy is a Sovereign Citizen person of color, excuse me, entity of color, who committed armed robbery in north Georgia and then represented himself in a jury trial.

In north Georgia*.

I suspect the verdict was something like the one at the end of The Producers:
"Your Honor, we find the defendant incredibly guilty."

*For those of you unfamiliar with the area, here are some census data:
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Yes, and I'm sure the armed robbery had nothing to do with it.

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2019-03-12 05:50:32 PM  
First, I started to read TFA, and failed to stay interested.  Isn't 55 years rather a long time for that?

Second, it may just be the quality of the photo, or maybe he is wearing lipstick, but he looks like the first black person I've ever seen wearing blackface.
 
2019-03-12 05:52:56 PM  
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2019-03-12 06:05:32 PM  

whitroth: From the article:
"One of papers filed by Mormon to Judge Weaver and District Attorney Sosebee states: "As a true flesh and blood American and sovereign citizen, I refuse to participate in any colorable law schemes or practices". "

Um, how is one a "true flesh and blood American" and not bound by American laws?


Does that mean his robbery is an act of war?
 
2019-03-12 06:08:29 PM  
Sovereign citizen arrests on YouTube are pretty fun to watch.

They're painfully delusional, yet scream when tazed like a regular citizen
 
2019-03-12 06:11:15 PM  
Good on the judge for at least recognizing there was a human involved.
 
2019-03-12 06:14:14 PM  

trerro: Ok, he's pretty much automatically guilty if he uses sov cit bullshiat as his sole defense, so that both explains and justifies the jury needing a whole 20 minutes to convict.

The 55 years for robbery, though? Black in Georgia.


Armed robbery in Oregon: You might be out in a couple years on parole if nobody was harmed* Maybe tack on 6 months you happen to be Black, but only outside Multnomah County.

* probably not, but it sure seems that way....
 
2019-03-12 06:14:28 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: Unobtanium: The guy is a Sovereign Citizen person of color, excuse me, entity of color, who committed armed robbery in north Georgia and then represented himself in a jury trial.

In north Georgia*.

I suspect the verdict was something like the one at the end of The Producers:
"Your Honor, we find the defendant incredibly guilty."

*For those of you unfamiliar with the area, here are some census data:
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Yes, and I'm sure the armed robbery had nothing to do with it.

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Oh, I think he deserves incarceration. I just think they were doing ALL the stupid. They committed multiple felonies, exacerbated by acting stupid in a jury trial.
 
2019-03-12 06:21:05 PM  

Loaded Six String: trerro: Ok, he's pretty much automatically guilty if he uses sov cit bullshiat as his sole defense, so that both explains and justifies the jury needing a whole 20 minutes to convict.

The 55 years for robbery, though? Black in Georgia.

55 years for armed robbery... plus kidnapping, evading arrest, reckless endangerment, and possibly unlawful possession of a weapon. There were more crimes committed in the single act of robbery than just the robbery itself. That shiat adds up if a person is unwilling or unable to mount a defense more competent than "your laws have no power here!" (Because I say so)


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2019-03-12 06:26:08 PM  
Me as judge: Wow, me too!  I'm going to just make up laws as I go along and find you guilty and sentence your ass!
 
2019-03-12 06:39:59 PM  
Wait, the Mormons are robbing you when you come to the door now?
 
2019-03-12 06:58:09 PM  
I hope I'm never in the situation where I have to find out how one robbery gets two robbery counts.
 
2019-03-12 07:02:50 PM  

Loaded Six String: Yawp: I thought the sentence was excessive until I read the charges he was guilty of included 'kidnapping'. The article did not mention that in the text.

Likely due to holding the employees hostage at gunpoint during the robbery. Preventing those people from leaving the premises could be construed as unlawful detainment, or in other words, kidnapping.


Counts 7 through 10.
 
2019-03-12 07:05:08 PM  

starsrift: I hope I'm never in the situation where I have to find out how one robbery gets two robbery counts.


Then make sure you only rob one person.
 
2019-03-12 07:07:27 PM  
But I said the magic words! You have to let me go!
 
2019-03-12 07:15:03 PM  
Disregarding authority must be a lot of fun in prison for a Sovereign Citizen.
 
2019-03-12 07:18:25 PM  
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2019-03-12 08:00:05 PM  
The "sovereign citizen" and "artificial being" parts aren't half as strange as a jet-black dude with dredlocks going by the name of "Mormon".
 
2019-03-12 08:08:15 PM  
Don't cha just love it??
 
2019-03-12 08:11:02 PM  

WelldeadLink: Now drag him in for prosecution for lying to the court. He can't both be a Sovereign Citizen and an artificial being.


He says they are prosecuting an artificial being as in a fictional character that is not him. In other words they have the wrong guy.
 
2019-03-12 08:12:46 PM  

SirEattonHogg: [img.fark.net image 200x150]


That's good, but I was thinking once more, with less feeling..

1970's Cylon - By Your Command
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2019-03-12 08:13:46 PM  

trerro: Ok, he's pretty much automatically guilty if he uses sov cit bullshiat as his sole defense, so that both explains and justifies the jury needing a whole 20 minutes to convict.

The 55 years for robbery, though? Black in Georgia.


It's actually kidnapping and armed robbery with multiple counts.
 
2019-03-12 08:17:46 PM  

Loaded Six String: trerro: Ok, he's pretty much automatically guilty if he uses sov cit bullshiat as his sole defense, so that both explains and justifies the jury needing a whole 20 minutes to convict.

The 55 years for robbery, though? Black in Georgia.

55 years for armed robbery... plus kidnapping, evading arrest, reckless endangerment, and possibly unlawful possession of a weapon. There were more crimes committed in the single act of robbery than just the robbery itself. That shiat adds up if a person is unwilling or unable to mount a defense more competent than "your laws have no power here!" (Because I say so)


Apparently sov cits can't plead down.
 
2019-03-12 08:34:48 PM  
"Mormon also exercised his right to declare Sovereign Citizenship, a move that has repeatedly been struck down by higher courts and considered an invalid claim."

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2019-03-12 08:57:20 PM  
The few cops I know have said "Anytime we hear 'sovereign citizen', we automatically react in 'this person is unhinged and poses a serious risk along the same lines as armed and dangerous'.

And all the news stories I hear of these nuts:
breaking and entering, then claiming rights to unoccupied homes (usually while someone is on vacation)
claiming 'white law' does not apply to them
claiming they have rights to 'anything that exists on american soil' without having to pay

All of which have been in the news here over the last few years. And I like the response:
"We do not acknowledge sovereign citizens. So you either abide by the law by choice or by force."
 
2019-03-12 09:07:51 PM  

Yawp: I thought the sentence was excessive until I read the charges he was guilty of included 'kidnapping'. The article did not mention that in the text.


According to the statute, if I cause you to move against your will even a step, during the commission of another crime, it constitutes kidnapping.
 
2019-03-12 09:08:15 PM  

overthinker: The few cops I know have said "Anytime we hear 'sovereign citizen', we automatically react in 'this person is unhinged and poses a serious risk along the same lines as armed and dangerous'.

And all the news stories I hear of these nuts:
breaking and entering, then claiming rights to unoccupied homes (usually while someone is on vacation)
claiming 'white law' does not apply to them
claiming they have rights to 'anything that exists on american soil' without having to pay

All of which have been in the news here over the last few years. And I like the response:
"We do not acknowledge sovereign citizens. So you either abide by the law by choice or by force."


Yeah, a lot of cops get special training for dealing with those bozos. Remember that in addition to everything you already said, they're people who believe that the cops don't have the authority to arrest them, and that they have the right to fight back against an illegal arrest, often with guns.
 
2019-03-12 09:28:01 PM  
This guy is a moran and a thief and he committed armed robbery. He deserves to go to the slam for years.

He's probably mentally challenged but not enough to mitigate his crime. He's certainly a felon.


That said ...

This guy stole whatever was in the pockets of some hapless phone store employees.

Paul Manafort was convicted of millions of dollars of bank and tax fraud, and could be retried for much, much more.

Dimwit African-American armed robber who clearly stole probably a few hundred bucks from a few people: 50+ years hard time.

RIch, politically-connected scumbag traitor who clearly stole tens of millions of dollars from all of us: < 4 years at Club Fed, which will probably end up being pardoned.
 
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