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2019-03-10 10:59:03 PM  
944's are for 911 wanna-bes.
 
2019-03-10 11:24:08 PM  
Still waiting for my 1986 VW Scirocco to go up in value.

/any day now
 
2019-03-10 11:34:00 PM  
I bet there's a fairly inexpensive one sitting around just North of Tiera Del Fuego, Argentina.
 
2019-03-10 11:37:38 PM  
That's really stupid. They are not good cars.

I honestly have a LOT of trouble with some of these 80's and even 70's cars getting the classic treatment.

The vast majority of them are complete shiat. We knew it then and we know it now.

There are SOME that truly are amazing. But some of those Aston's and Jaguars they are restoring? Dear god. Let them die. Horrid shiatboxes. The lower end Porsche's? Sure, but NOT at a premium price.

Sorry. I've been looking over a lot of the car mags lately and I'm really insulted by what people are asking for and getting for these lower tier pieces of shiat.

I know the really collectible stuff has skewed the market, but come on.
 
2019-03-11 12:09:46 AM  
Looks like an old Nissan 240SX.
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2019-03-11 12:35:58 AM  
But there's no substitute.
 
2019-03-11 12:54:20 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Looks like an old Nissan 240SX.
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My dad got one of those in black in the early '90s. Before that, we had a silver Datsun 310(?) hatchback circa 1983. FWIW.
 
2019-03-11 01:00:15 AM  
I bought a used '90 944 in '92.  It was actually a pretty nice little car, and I really didn't have any trouble with it for the couple of years I had it.  It lasted until I bought a 300ZX in '95, which I got because I thought it it looked better (yeah, I was young.)
 
2019-03-11 01:03:28 AM  
No, they aren't.

Just searched on my local Craigslist, and there are about a dozen or so 944s listed on there ranging in price from $100(!) for a non-runner (yes, that's right, one hundred bucks) to $7,500 for a fairly mint condition example, with one outlier low-miles 944 turbo in nice shape that's been listed for over a month for $14K and obviously isn't selling and will never sell at that price. The average price for a decent condition one seems to be around $4000-$5000. Still too high.

The $100 one would make a great LeMons racer, though, at well below the $500 LeMons maximum purchase price. They (as well as the 924 and 928) are feasible to drop a SBC engine into using the stock transaxle, and a decent number of LeMons competitors do that, because non-runners are dirt cheap and as unreliable as they are in stock form, they're still very nice handling cars that can complete well on the LeMons circuit.
 
2019-03-11 01:07:04 AM  

Cyberluddite: No, they aren't.

Just searched on my local Craigslist, and there are about a dozen or so 944s listed on there ranging in price from $100(!) for a non-runner (yes, that's right, one hundred bucks) to $7,500 for a fairly mint condition example, with one outlier low-miles 944 turbo in nice shape that's been listed for over a month for $14K and obviously isn't selling and will never sell at that price. The average price for a decent condition one seems to be around $4000-$5000. Still too high.

The $100 one would make a great LeMons racer, though, at well below the $500 LeMons maximum purchase price. They (as well as the 924 and 928) are feasible to drop a SBC engine into using the stock transaxle, and a decent number of LeMons competitors do that, because non-runners are dirt cheap and as unreliable as they are in stock form, they're still very nice handling cars that can complete well on the LeMons circuit.


Oh man!  I sorta wanted a 928.  By all accounts, it was a great GT for the time.  But because of the egg-shaped rear end, I always called them "Mork-mobiles."
 
2019-03-11 01:10:51 AM  

Grumpy Cat: ecmoRandomNumbers: Looks like an old Nissan 240SX.
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My dad got one of those in black in the early '90s. Before that, we had a silver Datsun 310(?) hatchback circa 1983. FWIW.


I had a 1981 B210 station wagon in high school and part of college. The Hellwagon. It. Would. Not. Die.

I loved that thing. Then my sister wrecked the crap out of it. Got a Sentra. Sold it a few years ago for $300. Had almost 500,000 miles on it.
 
2019-03-11 01:15:23 AM  

NewportBarGuy: That's really stupid. They are not good cars.

I honestly have a LOT of trouble with some of these 80's and even 70's cars getting the classic treatment.

The vast majority of them are complete shiat. We knew it then and we know it now.

There are SOME that truly are amazing. But some of those Aston's and Jaguars they are restoring? Dear god. Let them die. Horrid shiatboxes. The lower end Porsche's? Sure, but NOT at a premium price.

Sorry. I've been looking over a lot of the car mags lately and I'm really insulted by what people are asking for and getting for these lower tier pieces of shiat.

I know the really collectible stuff has skewed the market, but come on.


There are some cars from that era that are quite nice and have only recently started to become collectible and more valuable. Porsche 911s from that era of course, but of course the prices on those are now obscene even though 5-10 years ago they were not expensive. And E30 BMWs are great cars that were practically free a few years ago but are now going up fast, much like their predecessors, the 2002, did before that, although the E30 is a much better car. And of course W123 Mercedes, while not particularly exciting cars, are nbuilt like a tank and will run forever and will never depreciate from their current value.

You're right that most cars of the era were shiat and might as well be sent to the crusher, but not all.
 
2019-03-11 01:34:01 AM  
944 thread?  That's some peak 80s we're talking now

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2019-03-11 02:15:44 AM  
lardweasel:
Oh man!  I sorta wanted a 928.  By all accounts, it was a great GT for the time.  But because of the egg-shaped rear end, I always called them "Mork-mobiles."

I really wanted a 928 as a project car. I saw a 1980 928 on Craigslist for $2000 a while ago. The pictures looked decent, but were really small and low resolution. But, the body looked good, and the driver's seat looked mint. The listing also said that the engine ran, which is relatively important, since the 928 v8 engine was stupidly complicated, a pain in the ass to work on, and had what was at one point the longest timing belt of any consumer engine at 82 inches in length. It's also an interference engine, so a broken timing belt means bent valves.

As soon as I drove up, I realized that the owner had used MySpace angles on every picture. The parts of the body which weren't shown either had dents, holes, or peeling paint. The driver's side of the interior was perfect, but the passenger side had been eaten by a dog which had been locked in the car. It reeked. I had driven a long way to see this car, so I asked if I could start it. The owner said that it did run but "needed work". I have never heard an engine sound THAT bad before. It sounded like someone had dropped a can of ball bearings into a moving blender. Needless to say, I had to pass on that one.
 
2019-03-11 02:29:57 AM  
This was a perfect, low mile Turbo S, which is a fairly rare car, and some Porsche collector decided he just had to have it. It's a pretty spectacular outlier. I wouldn't expect to see that again anytime soon.

Bearing in mind that there are very few things more expensive than a cheap Porsche, I wouldn't mind having a 944, but only if I did all the work on it, which requires more and better tools than I have and a place to work on it. Maybe some day.
 
2019-03-11 03:12:17 AM  

delsydsoftware: lardweasel:
Oh man!  I sorta wanted a 928.  By all accounts, it was a great GT for the time.  But because of the egg-shaped rear end, I always called them "Mork-mobiles."

I really wanted a 928 as a project car. I saw a 1980 928 on Craigslist for $2000 a while ago. The pictures looked decent, but were really small and low resolution. But, the body looked good, and the driver's seat looked mint. The listing also said that the engine ran, which is relatively important, since the 928 v8 engine was stupidly complicated, a pain in the ass to work on, and had what was at one point the longest timing belt of any consumer engine at 82 inches in length. It's also an interference engine, so a broken timing belt means bent valves.

As soon as I drove up, I realized that the owner had used MySpace angles on every picture. The parts of the body which weren't shown either had dents, holes, or peeling paint. The driver's side of the interior was perfect, but the passenger side had been eaten by a dog which had been locked in the car. It reeked. I had driven a long way to see this car, so I asked if I could start it. The owner said that it did run but "needed work". I have never heard an engine sound THAT bad before. It sounded like someone had dropped a can of ball bearings into a moving blender. Needless to say, I had to pass on that one.


That sucks. I don't know why people aren't honest on those ads. You're gonna find out when you get there. I went to look at a vw bus like that once. It fired up okay but as soon as you started to let out the clutch, horrible noises happened. The girl selling it was like "No, it's fine. Ya just gotta give it some gas" and reached her foot over and stomped the accelerator. I still bought it. Got it for $500 and swapped a new motor in (Porsche 914 actually) and I still drive the snot out of it.
 
2019-03-11 03:20:56 AM  
Got to Germany in late '79, needed a car, bought a 1969 911 Targa for $3,000. Started SCUBA diving, needed to haul gear so I found a '73 Mercedes 280C for $1,600, damned thing would fit 28 80 cubic feet tanks in the trunk, although it squatted a bit.

A Buck Sergeant with a Mercedes and a Porsche in the driveway and a TS/SCI clearance got noticed, showed the receipts and they calmed down.

Drove the hell out of the 911 for three years, got my money back and made $500 on the Benz.

Never cared for the 944, but a 928 I didn't have to maintain would be sweet.
 
2019-03-11 03:22:44 AM  
I have no issue with the link but I followed the direct  auction. Anyway on the same site here is the sucker that caught my eye. 0.o
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/196​4​-porsche-356-c-cabriolet/

I mean '65 big ones and it looked like it was found on the bottom of the ocean like I mean Atlantis.

These cars are tulips these days. Something has to give.
 
2019-03-11 03:29:37 AM  
Clarification I followed the above 365c my bad. But this is what 65 large gets you. A wet napkin
 
2019-03-11 03:32:49 AM  
I high school we were partying at this girl's house one night while her parents were gone and we convinced her to go joyriding in their 944. After a bit of driving we all noticed a burning smell. Got out of the car and noticed fluid leaking onto the hubcaps. Turned out she'd been driving the thing with the parking brake on the whole time.

/csb
 
2019-03-11 03:34:37 AM  
I think it was this one.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/198​8​-porsche-944-turbo-s-15/

I don't want to make another foo pah. Price is right. Better get those cheap ones and check my first linky
 
2019-03-11 03:50:15 AM  

NewportBarGuy: That's really stupid. They are not good cars.

I honestly have a LOT of trouble with some of these 80's and even 70's cars getting the classic treatment.

The vast majority of them are complete shiat. We knew it then and we know it now.

There are SOME that truly are amazing. But some of those Aston's and Jaguars they are restoring? Dear god. Let them die. Horrid shiatboxes. The lower end Porsche's? Sure, but NOT at a premium price.

Sorry. I've been looking over a lot of the car mags lately and I'm really insulted by what people are asking for and getting for these lower tier pieces of shiat.

I know the really collectible stuff has skewed the market, but come on.


Get with the times, Grandpa.  The Boomer mindset that cars stopped being classic-worthy in 1974 is obsolete.  A different car buying public desires different cars, because they grew up in a different time idolizing different machines.
 
2019-03-11 04:01:29 AM  

NEDM: NewportBarGuy: That's really stupid. They are not good cars.

I honestly have a LOT of trouble with some of these 80's and even 70's cars getting the classic treatment.

The vast majority of them are complete shiat. We knew it then and we know it now.

There are SOME that truly are amazing. But some of those Aston's and Jaguars they are restoring? Dear god. Let them die. Horrid shiatboxes. The lower end Porsche's? Sure, but NOT at a premium price.

Sorry. I've been looking over a lot of the car mags lately and I'm really insulted by what people are asking for and getting for these lower tier pieces of shiat.

I know the really collectible stuff has skewed the market, but come on.

Get with the times, Grandpa.  The Boomer mindset that cars stopped being classic-worthy in 1974 is obsolete.  A different car buying public desires different cars, because they grew up in a different time idolizing different machines.


Yup. If it's 20 years old, someone's got a boner for it.

/that didn't come out right
 
2019-03-11 05:38:45 AM  
944s and 914s scream hipster car.
 
2019-03-11 05:41:32 AM  

gerbilpox: But there's no substitute.


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2019-03-11 05:44:46 AM  
My dad had one in the early 80s until he wrapped it around a telephone pole.
 
2019-03-11 05:51:49 AM  

ihateallofyou: My dad had one in the early 80s until he wrapped it around a telephone pole.


Neighbor of mine had one around 2003. It was a pile of rust and bad fashion. Some how, he thought it was not only sexy but a gold watch. He got a evicted.
 
2019-03-11 05:57:32 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: 944's are for 911 wanna-bes.


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2019-03-11 06:07:37 AM  

NewportBarGuy: That's really stupid. They are not good cars.

I honestly have a LOT of trouble with some of these 80's and even 70's cars getting the classic treatment.

The vast majority of them are complete shiat. We knew it then and we know it now.

There are SOME that truly are amazing. But some of those Aston's and Jaguars they are restoring? Dear god. Let them die. Horrid shiatboxes. The lower end Porsche's? Sure, but NOT at a premium price.

Sorry. I've been looking over a lot of the car mags lately and I'm really insulted by what people are asking for and getting for these lower tier pieces of shiat.

I know the really collectible stuff has skewed the market, but come on.


If people are paying that price then that is what the cars are worth.   If you look at a car as a means to get to Point A from Point B then that price is stupid and the price for any Porsche is stupid.  However, certain people drive the market for these cars and those people tend to have more money than sense.
 
2019-03-11 06:42:27 AM  
He used to be fat
And he used to be poor
But now he's thin, and he's rich
Drives a Porsche 944
 
2019-03-11 07:25:12 AM  
I actually won a 1988 944 from radio station WAVA in Washington D.C. at the end of 1988 (at 18 years old).

I had to pay taxes on the value ($40k) and sold it to my dad as the highest price I could get it for it was $25k as soon as the wheels left the lot (he gave me $26k).

Paid $12k in taxes and spent the rest on a slightly used Fiero (one of the worst cars I ever owned) and an Apple IIGS (one of the worst computers I ever owned).

Still got to drive it though from time to time until he got rid of it in the early 2000s.
 
2019-03-11 07:33:48 AM  

arrogantbastich: I bet there's a fairly inexpensive one sitting around just North of Tiera Del Fuego, Argentina.


That was a 928.
 
2019-03-11 08:54:26 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: This was a perfect, low mile Turbo S, which is a fairly rare car, and some Porsche collector decided he just had to have it. It's a pretty spectacular outlier. I wouldn't expect to see that again anytime soon.

Bearing in mind that there are very few things more expensive than a cheap Porsche, I wouldn't mind having a 944, but only if I did all the work on it, which requires more and better tools than I have and a place to work on it. Maybe some day.


I remember seeing a Porsche enthusiast break down ownership of these cars. The gist was that they weren't objectively bad cars for their time, but that a huge portion of the owners, particularly the secondary market owners, hadn't maintained them well at all and parts weren't cheap or easy to obtain, so they cost a fortune to run.

This was maybe a decade ago and they estimated it costed around $2/mile to drive them once all maintenance was accounted for.
 
2019-03-11 10:51:36 AM  
There was one point in my life that I wanted a 928 because I thought they looked cool. Then I found out how much they cost to maintain and fix. That was the deal breaker for me. The doctor my mom used to work for when I was a wee lad had a 944 and I thought it was so cool. Then his back went out so he had to sell it for an SUV. Couldn't get in and out of the Porshe anymore just like I am. Sports cars, or any cars are just not for me anymore as well. Can't get in or out very easily anymore. Works out well since I was always a truck guy anyway. Absolutely loving my 4Runner these days anyway...
 
2019-03-11 10:54:10 AM  
Oh, and I almost bought a MGB as my first car since my dad used autocross one so he knew how to deal with that weird British weirdness. Glad I didn't...
 
2019-03-11 11:35:12 AM  
My godmother's husband had one and let me drive it when I was a teenager.  Let's just say it made me appreciate my Datsun.
 
2019-03-11 01:37:38 PM  
I had a 944 back in the 1990's.

Thought about getting one again.  If maintained, the design is pretty classic IMHO... not as classic as the 911 and its variants (then again what is?) - but it has pretty nice lines.

OTOH, even in the 1990's I didn't think they were mechnically that great.  I said a little prayer everytime I started the engine.  My mechanic was happy that I had one - let's say that.  And the really bad thing is they aren't that fast.  I think a standard non-turbo one has about 190hp to 200 hp?  It was an okay car in the 1980's - but your farking modern Toyota probably has way more power.

Still - if I could get one in red or white...you can pick one up for 5 to 10k easy.
 
2019-03-11 02:27:44 PM  

SirEattonHogg: I had a 944 back in the 1990's.

Thought about getting one again.  If maintained, the design is pretty classic IMHO... not as classic as the 911 and its variants (then again what is?) - but it has pretty nice lines.

OTOH, even in the 1990's I didn't think they were mechnically that great.  I said a little prayer everytime I started the engine.  My mechanic was happy that I had one - let's say that.  And the really bad thing is they aren't that fast.  I think a standard non-turbo one has about 190hp to 200 hp?  It was an okay car in the 1980's - but your farking modern Toyota probably has way more power.

Still - if I could get one in red or white...you can pick one up for 5 to 10k easy.


I had a 924 back in the early 1980s (yes, I'm old).  What. A. Piece. Of. Shiat.  It was, hands down, the most unreliable non-British car I've ever owned, even though it was barely used when I bought it (though, IIRC, it had a very short warranty, which I can certainly understand from Porsche's perspective, and it went out of warranty almost immediately after I bought it).  And even though it was a piece of shiat that Porsche cobbled together from spare Audi/VW parts, the cost of replacement parts was comparable to other Porsche parts

But yeah, as you say, even when running right it was certainly not a fast car, to say the least (even less horsepower than the 944, its successor--I was told, though I don't know if it's true, that the 924 engine was one that VW/Audi used for crappy little urban delivery vans that they sold in Europe).  I ultimately replaced it with a 4-banger E30 BMW 318i, and that car, while still not fast, would've absolutely blown the doors off the 924 (and, of course, was 100% reliable).  Despite all of that, though, the 924/944 did handle very nicely for its era, owing in part to the fact that it had a near-perfect 50/50 weight distribution with the front engine and rear transaxle.

I'm pretty sure I never took a worse depreciation hit on any car than I did between the time I bought that thing as a 2 or 3 year old used car and the time I sold it to some sucker for a handful of pocket change.
 
2019-03-11 02:54:02 PM  

SirEattonHogg: I had a 944 back in the 1990's.

Thought about getting one again.  If maintained, the design is pretty classic IMHO... not as classic as the 911 and its variants (then again what is?) - but it has pretty nice lines.

OTOH, even in the 1990's I didn't think they were mechnically that great.  I said a little prayer everytime I started the engine.  My mechanic was happy that I had one - let's say that.  And the really bad thing is they aren't that fast.  I think a standard non-turbo one has about 190hp to 200 hp?  It was an okay car in the 1980's - but your farking modern Toyota probably has way more power.

Still - if I could get one in red or white...you can pick one up for 5 to 10k easy.


It's a Zaftig RX-7 that costs a ton and doesn't even suck your dick But sure, go for the big german ass.
 
2019-03-11 02:58:34 PM  

Travis_Bickle: SirEattonHogg: I had a 944 back in the 1990's.

Thought about getting one again.  If maintained, the design is pretty classic IMHO... not as classic as the 911 and its variants (then again what is?) - but it has pretty nice lines.

OTOH, even in the 1990's I didn't think they were mechnically that great.  I said a little prayer everytime I started the engine.  My mechanic was happy that I had one - let's say that.  And the really bad thing is they aren't that fast.  I think a standard non-turbo one has about 190hp to 200 hp?  It was an okay car in the 1980's - but your farking modern Toyota probably has way more power.

Still - if I could get one in red or white...you can pick one up for 5 to 10k easy.

It's a Zaftig RX-7 that costs a ton and doesn't even suck your dick But sure, go for the big german ass.


Hey, I'm an ass man.
 
2019-03-11 05:33:38 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Travis_Bickle: SirEattonHogg: I had a 944 back in the 1990's.

Thought about getting one again.  If maintained, the design is pretty classic IMHO... not as classic as the 911 and its variants (then again what is?) - but it has pretty nice lines.

OTOH, even in the 1990's I didn't think they were mechnically that great.  I said a little prayer everytime I started the engine.  My mechanic was happy that I had one - let's say that.  And the really bad thing is they aren't that fast.  I think a standard non-turbo one has about 190hp to 200 hp?  It was an okay car in the 1980's - but your farking modern Toyota probably has way more power.

Still - if I could get one in red or white...you can pick one up for 5 to 10k easy.

It's a Zaftig RX-7 that costs a ton and doesn't even suck your dick But sure, go for the big german ass.

Hey, I'm an ass man.


I am too, talk about bumcakes, my girls got em.

That said, only a Jacob Wohl level asshole buys a 944 unless he has a lift in his garage ala Jay Leno. Otherwise you just look like a tool that doesn't get the joke...like Jacob Wohl. But he has Daddy
 
2019-03-11 05:48:16 PM  

Travis_Bickle: SirEattonHogg: Travis_Bickle: SirEattonHogg: I had a 944 back in the 1990's.

Thought about getting one again.  If maintained, the design is pretty classic IMHO... not as classic as the 911 and its variants (then again what is?) - but it has pretty nice lines.

OTOH, even in the 1990's I didn't think they were mechnically that great.  I said a little prayer everytime I started the engine.  My mechanic was happy that I had one - let's say that.  And the really bad thing is they aren't that fast.  I think a standard non-turbo one has about 190hp to 200 hp?  It was an okay car in the 1980's - but your farking modern Toyota probably has way more power.

Still - if I could get one in red or white...you can pick one up for 5 to 10k easy.

It's a Zaftig RX-7 that costs a ton and doesn't even suck your dick But sure, go for the big german ass.

Hey, I'm an ass man.

I am too, talk about bumcakes, my girls got em.

That said, only a Jacob Wohl level asshole buys a 944 unless he has a lift in his garage ala Jay Leno. Otherwise you just look like a tool that doesn't get the joke...like Jacob Wohl. But he has Daddy


Hey now, that's an insult to the 944.  It doesn't deserve that much respect but you shouldn't tar it with an American Psycho wannabe.
 
2019-03-11 06:30:01 PM  

Bob The Nob: He used to be fat
And he used to be poor
But now he's thin, and he's rich
Drives a Porsche 944


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And once he got it, he bought a garage door opener!  Seemed like such a rich person thing to buy.
 
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