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2019-03-10 09:19:46 PM  
They just need to bring back the V6 option. The whole 4-cylinder turbo thing is a horrible idea.

I've got a 2016 Accord V6. I love it. But I would never buy the POS 4-cylinder turbo they replaced the equivalent model with. So basically Honda is dead to me when I'm eventually looking for a new car.
 
2019-03-11 01:17:51 AM  
The engine is good. Much slower than before. Amazing.
 
2019-03-11 01:43:46 AM  
What Sid said about dropping V-6. Test drove the 4 with the turbo........it sucks.  I only have 70k on my accord. It's paid for so long term car for me. Especially moving back to Pdx where with public transportation and my bike I used it once a week.
 
2019-03-11 02:09:29 AM  
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2019-03-11 02:11:59 AM  

Sid_6.7: They just need to bring back the V6 option. The whole 4-cylinder turbo thing is a horrible idea.

I've got a 2016 Accord V6. I love it. But I would never buy the POS 4-cylinder turbo they replaced the equivalent model with. So basically Honda is dead to me when I'm eventually looking for a new car.


I'd wager it's their 900-speed auto transmission that keeps falling apart that's lowering their reliability.
 
2019-03-11 02:26:29 AM  
Jesus that new turbo engine is also screwing the pooch.

/ RTFA
 
2019-03-11 03:10:07 AM  
I hope the reliability reports are a reflection on the corporate directors trying to push too much new technology, or new applications thereof, too soon, without sufficient testing. I hope they're not a reflection on the workers and managers at the Honda plant at Lincoln, Ala.
 
2019-03-11 05:23:07 AM  
I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.
 
2019-03-11 05:23:56 AM  
I have a one cylinder engine on my Honda lawn mower.  It has been running pretty well for 12 years, although it is burning oil on startup.  Piece of shiat.
 
2019-03-11 05:54:24 AM  
A lot of the problems seem to come from the infotainment and other electronic doodads. I have to say, I hope such systems become optional on more cars than they are now. I like changing the stereo and AC/heater without even glancing away from the road.
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I mean, look at this. You can control so many things in the car without hunting through any menus. If you wanted, you can change the stereo input, adjust the volume, turn on the defroster, and reduce the blower speed on the heater--- all in 7 seconds or less.
 
2019-03-11 06:44:32 AM  

grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.


No. You don't.
 
2019-03-11 06:48:50 AM  

psychosis_inducing: A lot of the problems seem to come from the infotainment and other electronic doodads. I have to say, I hope such systems become optional on more cars than they are now. I like changing the stereo and AC/heater without even glancing away from the road.
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I mean, look at this. You can control so many things in the car without hunting through any menus. If you wanted, you can change the stereo input, adjust the volume, turn on the defroster, and reduce the blower speed on the heater--- all in 7 seconds or less.


You can still do that with an infotainment system.  Most cars have button controls in the steering wheel for just that.  I can change the radio station/volume without my hands ever leaving the wheel, or even needing to look down at the dash display that's provided so I don't have to look at the main infotainment screen.

/Most cars have that, don't they?
 
2019-03-11 06:59:24 AM  

psychosis_inducing: A lot of the problems seem to come from the infotainment and other electronic doodads. I have to say, I hope such systems become optional on more cars than they are now. I like changing the stereo and AC/heater without even glancing away from the road.
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I mean, look at this. You can control so many things in the car without hunting through any menus. If you wanted, you can change the stereo input, adjust the volume, turn on the defroster, and reduce the blower speed on the heater--- all in 7 seconds or less.


I have two 10+ year old Honda's.  Neither has had any major or moderate problem as long as you change the oil, brakes, etc.
Meanwhile my millenial peers have bought mini-coopers or GM products.  None of them had those cars after 5 years.  The mini-Cooper is unsurprisingly very expensive to perform routine maintenance like changing light bulbs (I do this myself on the Hondas).  Also, the recommended no flat tires are awful in the Boston area.
 
2019-03-11 07:03:55 AM  

Northern: psychosis_inducing: A lot of the problems seem to come from the infotainment and other electronic doodads. I have to say, I hope such systems become optional on more cars than they are now. I like changing the stereo and AC/heater without even glancing away from the road.
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I mean, look at this. You can control so many things in the car without hunting through any menus. If you wanted, you can change the stereo input, adjust the volume, turn on the defroster, and reduce the blower speed on the heater--- all in 7 seconds or less.

I have two 10+ year old Honda's.  Neither has had any major or moderate problem as long as you change the oil, brakes, etc.
Meanwhile my millenial peers have bought mini-coopers or GM products.  None of them had those cars after 5 years.  The mini-Cooper is unsurprisingly very expensive to perform routine maintenance like changing light bulbs (I do this myself on the Hondas).  Also, the recommended no flat tires are awful in the Boston area.


The Mini Cooper is a unique problem in the automotive world:  British reliability, German parts cost.  Millennials buy them because they're quirky and have a character despite being compacts.
/they're then reminded that British character in a car does not mean Japanese reliability
 
2019-03-11 07:21:35 AM  
When I "traded in" my 14 year old Honda Accord 4cyl EX the engine was still strong after 320K miles, it's just that the rest of the car was rusting out

/didn't hurt that I had the standard transmission instead of the unreliable slush drive.
 
2019-03-11 07:56:15 AM  
Consumer car brand loyalty is still fairly "sticky" afaik...takes a couple bad cars to turn the average person off "their" brand, I think.

So, eventually, this will bite Honda hard, and take years to recover from when it does.
 
2019-03-11 07:59:19 AM  

Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.

No. You don't.


Yes, I do.

/confused as to why that would be in doubt
 
2019-03-11 08:09:08 AM  

grumpfuff: Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.

No. You don't.

Yes, I do.

/confused as to why that would be in doubt


Highlighted what they're going off about.  V4s aren't really very common outside of old European Fords; Inline-4s are the ubiquitous engine.
 
2019-03-11 08:21:29 AM  

PunGent: Consumer car brand loyalty is still fairly "sticky" afaik...takes a couple bad cars to turn the average person off "their" brand, I think.

So, eventually, this will bite Honda hard, and take years to recover from when it does.


Yet Chrysler is still in business.
 
2019-03-11 08:26:59 AM  
My 2008 Element has only had routine maintenance so far, aside from one weird issue right after buying it.  Blinker would cause the high beams to engage, that was resolved under warranty.  Mileage could be better (never understood why they didn't offer a hybrid in that model) but it's a very versatile vehicle.  Wish they didn't discontinue it.
 
2019-03-11 08:27:12 AM  

good_2_go: PunGent: Consumer car brand loyalty is still fairly "sticky" afaik...takes a couple bad cars to turn the average person off "their" brand, I think.

So, eventually, this will bite Honda hard, and take years to recover from when it does.

Yet Chrysler is still in business.


They went bankrupt twice and were bought out/merged with three times, partially because they still have a reputation for making shiat cars that dates back to the late 70s.  They don't have anywhere near the solid reliable reputation that Honda has.

/another part of it is that they DO largely make shiat cars outside of several notable exceptions
 
2019-03-11 08:29:43 AM  

On-Farkin-On: My 2008 Element has only had routine maintenance so far, aside from one weird issue right after buying it.  Blinker would cause the high beams to engage, that was resolved under warranty.  Mileage could be better (never understood why they didn't offer a hybrid in that model) but it's a very versatile vehicle.  Wish they didn't discontinue it.


Supposedly it was sprung on Honda Japan by Honda USA, and it never had allies back at corporate HQ.  It was eventually killed off because it was "cannibalizing" sales from the Pilot, and the only reason they didn't kill it off earlier was because it was selling too well for them to take the reputation hit to do the deed then.

/the engine does have its uses; it's understressed as hell so it doesn't have any reliability problems whatsoever.
 
2019-03-11 08:38:32 AM  
Issues from the article if people are wondering (or want data not people's opinions)

1. Infotainment issues.
2. 1.5 Liter engine that mixes gas and oil found in CRV.
3. Ridgeline that can catch fire if you wash it with the wrong soap.

Problems seem to be centered around the new Civic/Pilot that have higher than industry average first-year ownership issues.
 
2019-03-11 08:40:01 AM  
Toyota beats Honda on longevity and lowest repair costs.
 
2019-03-11 08:42:19 AM  

Shazam999: Sid_6.7: They just need to bring back the V6 option. The whole 4-cylinder turbo thing is a horrible idea.

I've got a 2016 Accord V6. I love it. But I would never buy the POS 4-cylinder turbo they replaced the equivalent model with. So basically Honda is dead to me when I'm eventually looking for a new car.

I'd wager it's their 900-speed auto transmission that keeps falling apart that's lowering their reliability.


Toyotas have better CVTs
 
2019-03-11 08:42:27 AM  
3 lousy Honda's in a row and now we have Toyotas.

If I wanted to buy a Chrysler I'd have bought a freaking Chrysler.
 
2019-03-11 08:50:19 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: 3 lousy Honda's in a row and now we have Toyotas.

If I wanted to buy a Chrysler I'd have bought a freaking Chrysler.


Toyotas are the best and chryslers r the worst.
 
2019-03-11 08:51:40 AM  

grumpfuff: Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.

No. You don't.

Yes, I do.

/confused as to why that would be in doubt


Because it's an in-line 4.  Not a V4. Unless you meant to type v6  There is no V4
 
2019-03-11 08:59:47 AM  

Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.

No. You don't.

Yes, I do.

/confused as to why that would be in doubt

Because it's an in-line 4.  Not a V4. Unless you meant to type v6  There is no V4


Ah, I see, I used the wrong terminology and offended car nuts. My apology. It's an "in-line 4" or whatever the f*ck, despite every repair job/etc I've put it in referring to it as a v4. It's due for a checkup, next time I'll yell at my mechanics for always describing it as a v4, and not an "in-line 4".
 
2019-03-11 09:06:11 AM  
Great. I've had my eye on a new Civic, but I guess I better take a closer look at a Corolla instead.
 
2019-03-11 09:26:01 AM  
Traded my 2009 Ridgeline last week for a newer Pilot. Truck was almost at 200,000 miles and was starting to show its age a little. 7th Honda out of 8 cars (made a mistake purchasing a Ford one time).

I'll stick with them.
 
2019-03-11 09:26:32 AM  
My 2007 Civic is a complete turd.  Apparently, they made a lot of design decisions on the 2007, so it's the only bad bad year, which might be forgivable if Honda stood by the correction of those flaws.  They didn't, and I will never buy another Honda.

Lot's of little problems happened early.  A coil died within the first year, battery problems within the first year, they have a European wiper system, and the replacements are $45 each.

There have been many Technical Service Bulletins, which means the car has been at the dealership getting repaired easily 30 times, with all the costs associated with towing/renting replacement cars/days off work.  Even then, the free repair didn't always make me whole.  The tires wore unevenly for years, it was a danger in the snow, it couldn't be aligned properly.  Turns out there were improperly sized rear suspension parts.  So they replaced the suspension parts and offered me a discount on two new tires.  Which is garbage when I'd replaced two full sets of unevenly worn tires early to pass inspections.

Years after the paint faded and peeled, on the roof and checked on the hood, they came out with a TSB to fix the checked paint on the hood only.  The hubcaps delaminated as well, so I just took those off.  The plastic body parts (engine shield/wheel wells, etc.) rattle around loose and vibrate noisily at highway speeds.

I'm still driving the thing, because it couldn't be sold for any kind of value, with the bad paint, lack of hubcaps, vibration issues, leaking transmission (slow leak fortunately), and non functioning cruise control.  Why would I ever trust Honda again?
 
2019-03-11 09:37:03 AM  

NEDM: grumpfuff: Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.

No. You don't.

Yes, I do.

/confused as to why that would be in doubt

Highlighted what they're going off about.  V4s aren't really very common outside of old European Fords; Inline-4s are the ubiquitous engine.


Hey, he could have swapped a Taunus V4 in. You never know.
 
2019-03-11 09:54:51 AM  
Honda has pretty much priced themselves out of the economy car market. Last go around the wife's beater PT Cruiser was replaced with a Kia Soul, which now has 170k with no issues. I drove the PT Cruiser a few more years, until the oil / transmission leaks and failing AC got to be a pain, and replaced it with a Toyota Yaris, which now has 120k in less than 5 years, with no issues. Looked at the Hondas, but for what you got, they were way too spendy for the low-end models. Don't need all the bells and whistles for a daily long-distance driver.
 
2019-03-11 11:05:27 AM  

Greek: NEDM: grumpfuff: Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.

No. You don't.

Yes, I do.

/confused as to why that would be in doubt

Highlighted what they're going off about.  V4s aren't really very common outside of old European Fords; Inline-4s are the ubiquitous engine.

Hey, he could have swapped a Taunus V4 in. You never know.


Honda makes a couple excellent V4 engines that put out plenty more power than those old Fords. I've got one in my 2002 Honda and it is absolutely fantastic, thank you.
 
2019-03-11 11:09:14 AM  

psychosis_inducing: I mean, look at this. You can control so many things in the car without hunting through any menus. If you wanted, you can change the stereo input, adjust the volume, turn on the defroster, and reduce the blower speed on the heater--- all in 7 seconds or less.


Some of the more thought-out high-end cars have a mix of both.

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[] Change Stereo Input: this one means pushing one button and one thing on screen.
[] Adjust Volume: via a physical knob
[] Turn on the Defroster: via a physical button
[] Reduce Blower Speed: via two physical buttons

A lot of the functions are also duplicated via steering wheel buttons.

And to top it all off, most of these functions are available via voice control as well. IE, I can tell it to tune to a particular radio station (I have NEVER done it outside of testing it), or to play a specific song or artist from the USB stick full of MP3s I have plugged into the center compartment. Or to to set the temperature on the climate control.

So (for the most part) the physical buttons in the console become redundant ... and the screen is basically acting as a fancy display.
 
2019-03-11 11:10:38 AM  

eKonk: Honda makes a couple excellent V4 engines that put out plenty more power than those old Fords. I've got one in my 2002 Honda and it is absolutely fantastic, thank you.


Yes, but those are in their motorcycles.
 
2019-03-11 11:12:59 AM  

NEDM: eKonk: Honda makes a couple excellent V4 engines that put out plenty more power than those old Fords. I've got one in my 2002 Honda and it is absolutely fantastic, thank you.

Yes, but those are in their motorcycles.


Well, yeah.... but they're still great engines, if a bit heavy.
 
2019-03-11 11:46:35 AM  
Girlfriend bought a new 2019 Honda CRV a few weeks back and we've immediately run into a major problem.

Appears that leaving the car turned off for more than 48 hours kills the battery dead, From what I've been able to find the problem may be with the software , the evaporation detection module turns itself on and draws up to .5 amps resulting in a dead battery.  We first discovered this when we left the car at the airport long term parking , got back seven days later to a dead car.  Leaving it in the garage for the weekend had the same effect, everything in the car turned off yet the battery was completely dead.

Honda dealership is not being helpful, we've contacted a few other Honda CRV owners and they have the same problem.  Following up with Honda Canada results in a case # being issued and not much else.

So we need to drive the car every day to make sure the battery stays topped up.  If we don't get any permanent solutions from Honda soon, I'll look into whether Canada has any lemon laws that would apply.
 
2019-03-11 01:03:48 PM  

qlenfg: Honda has pretty much priced themselves out of the economy car market.


The Honda Fit is a pretty amazing econobox...you really get a lot for your money, although definitely not a speed demon. I don't currently own one, but I would consider one if my '03 Pontiac Vibe (Toyota Matrix) ever shiats the bed (doubtful).
 
2019-03-11 02:04:00 PM  

MBZ321: qlenfg: Honda has pretty much priced themselves out of the economy car market.

The Honda Fit is a pretty amazing econobox...you really get a lot for your money, although definitely not a speed demon. I don't currently own one, but I would consider one if my '03 Pontiac Vibe (Toyota Matrix) ever shiats the bed (doubtful).


I've had one for 9 years. It's great for multiple uses but I tend not to drive it if I'm going on highways and interstates. People either don't farkin' see you or they see you all too well and know they can cut you off and merge into you and you'll be the one hitting the brakes.

Super economical, I'll give it to my oldest kid in a couple of years.
 
2019-03-11 02:35:36 PM  

Leper Canuck: Girlfriend bought a new 2019 Honda CRV a few weeks back and we've immediately run into a major problem.

Appears that leaving the car turned off for more than 48 hours kills the battery dead, From what I've been able to find the problem may be with the software , the evaporation detection module turns itself on and draws up to .5 amps resulting in a dead battery.  We first discovered this when we left the car at the airport long term parking , got back seven days later to a dead car.  Leaving it in the garage for the weekend had the same effect, everything in the car turned off yet the battery was completely dead.

Honda dealership is not being helpful, we've contacted a few other Honda CRV owners and they have the same problem.  Following up with Honda Canada results in a case # being issued and not much else.

So we need to drive the car every day to make sure the battery stays topped up.  If we don't get any permanent solutions from Honda soon, I'll look into whether Canada has any lemon laws that would apply.


i have a Honda.  its been decent but i would have gone Toyota if i had it to do over.
 
2019-03-11 02:36:53 PM  

qlenfg: Honda has pretty much priced themselves out of the economy car market. Last go around the wife's beater PT Cruiser was replaced with a Kia Soul, which now has 170k with no issues. I drove the PT Cruiser a few more years, until the oil / transmission leaks and failing AC got to be a pain, and replaced it with a Toyota Yaris, which now has 120k in less than 5 years, with no issues. Looked at the Hondas, but for what you got, they were way too spendy for the low-end models. Don't need all the bells and whistles for a daily long-distance driver.


my next car Will be a Toyota
 
2019-03-11 04:01:02 PM  

eKonk: Greek: NEDM: grumpfuff: Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.

No. You don't.

Yes, I do.

/confused as to why that would be in doubt

Highlighted what they're going off about.  V4s aren't really very common outside of old European Fords; Inline-4s are the ubiquitous engine.

Hey, he could have swapped a Taunus V4 in. You never know.

Honda makes a couple excellent V4 engines that put out plenty more power than those old Fords. I've got one in my 2002 Honda and it is absolutely fantastic, thank you.


They do. But they don't put them in cars😉
 
2019-03-11 06:34:16 PM  

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That reminded me of the awful musky smell that permeated my brand new Brazilian-assembled Volkswagen Golf in 2002.
 
2019-03-11 06:52:58 PM  
I guess this doesn't apply to my 2010 Fit.  Someday I will have to worry about what car to buy next, I suppose.
 
2019-03-11 07:06:07 PM  

Shazam999: Sid_6.7: They just need to bring back the V6 option. The whole 4-cylinder turbo thing is a horrible idea.

I've got a 2016 Accord V6. I love it. But I would never buy the POS 4-cylinder turbo they replaced the equivalent model with. So basically Honda is dead to me when I'm eventually looking for a new car.

I'd wager it's their 900-speed auto transmission that keeps falling apart that's lowering their reliability.


I honestly can't tell if you're referring to the constantly gear-hunting ZF 9-speed or the perpetually droning CVT.
 
2019-03-11 07:19:12 PM  

eKonk: Greek: NEDM: grumpfuff: Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.

No. You don't.

Yes, I do.

/confused as to why that would be in doubt

Highlighted what they're going off about.  V4s aren't really very common outside of old European Fords; Inline-4s are the ubiquitous engine.

Hey, he could have swapped a Taunus V4 in. You never know.

Honda makes a couple excellent V4 engines that put out plenty more power than those old Fords. I've got one in my 2002 Honda and it is absolutely fantastic, thank you.


I miss my v65 sabre.
 
2019-03-11 07:30:36 PM  

eKonk: Greek: NEDM: grumpfuff: Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.

No. You don't.

Yes, I do.

/confused as to why that would be in doubt

Highlighted what they're going off about.  V4s aren't really very common outside of old European Fords; Inline-4s are the ubiquitous engine.

Hey, he could have swapped a Taunus V4 in. You never know.

Honda makes a couple excellent V4 engines that put out plenty more power than those old Fords. I've got one in my 2002 Honda and it is absolutely fantastic, thank you.


No, you don't.  No production vehicle has been built with a v4 since the early 60's.
 
2019-03-11 08:52:33 PM  

lycanth: eKonk: Greek: NEDM: grumpfuff: Enthusiast34: grumpfuff: I drive a 2005 V4 Accord, so I'm amused.

No. You don't.

Yes, I do.

/confused as to why that would be in doubt

Highlighted what they're going off about.  V4s aren't really very common outside of old European Fords; Inline-4s are the ubiquitous engine.

Hey, he could have swapped a Taunus V4 in. You never know.

Honda makes a couple excellent V4 engines that put out plenty more power than those old Fords. I've got one in my 2002 Honda and it is absolutely fantastic, thank you.

No, you don't.  No production vehicle has been built with a v4 since the early 60's.


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