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2019-03-10 07:46:16 AM  
From TFASunday's crash, however, had "no fluctuations and all of the sudden transmission" ceased, he said. "That transmission ceasing indicates catastrophic failure in air."

Yeah, that is really not good. And Ethiopian Airline has one of the best safety reputations in Africa.
 
2019-03-10 08:10:00 AM  
Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
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2019-03-10 08:23:15 AM  

Man On A Mission: Yeah, that is really not good. And Ethiopian Airline has one of the best safety reputations in Africa.


Having flown through Addis Ababa, that's a pretty low bar to clear.
 
2019-03-10 08:23:48 AM  
"Qantas doesn't fly to Nairobi out of Addis Ababa, Ray."
 
2019-03-10 08:28:18 AM  

Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
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Volume, volume, volume!

/ I'll catch the next flight to Hell tyvm.
 
2019-03-10 08:32:12 AM  

Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
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That's really the comment your going for? Over a hundred people dead and it's " Y POO PEOPLE HAVE NICE THINGS??!!??" Classy, man. Real classy.
 
2019-03-10 08:38:49 AM  

Smoking GNU: Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
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That's really the comment your going for? Over a hundred people dead and it's " Y POO PEOPLE HAVE NICE THINGS??!!??" Classy, man. Real classy.


Oh Fark, I guess I forgot what site I was on. We're all so respectful and enlightened here.
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2019-03-10 08:41:53 AM  
The Boeing 737 MAX 8...

I don't know what Boeing changed in the MAX series, but it doesn't look too good.
 
2019-03-10 08:42:15 AM  
Is it just me or have there been a bit more plane crashes than normal?
 
2019-03-10 08:43:32 AM  

Smoking GNU: Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
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That's really the comment your going for? Over a hundred people dead and it's " Y POO PEOPLE HAVE NICE THINGS??!!??" Classy, man. Real classy.


I don't think calling them "Poo People" helps matters.
 
2019-03-10 08:43:57 AM  

Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
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Answer: because it's 2019, not 1983 - 1985.
 
2019-03-10 08:44:20 AM  
Yikes. This is the second crash of the new Boeing 737 Max, the previous being the Lion Air crash last fall.

That investigation is still pending but the airplane software was using erroneous inputs to override the pilots' attempts to get the plane out of a dive. The software was written so that the Max could be sold as an extension of the 737 line without need for additional pilot training. Link
 
2019-03-10 08:46:18 AM  

Biledriver: Smoking GNU: Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
[img.fark.net image 425x279]

That's really the comment your going for? Over a hundred people dead and it's " Y POO PEOPLE HAVE NICE THINGS??!!??" Classy, man. Real classy.

I don't think calling them "Poo People" helps matters.


Dammit, should review posts more often to catch typos like that. Should be "poor"  there.
 
2019-03-10 08:49:16 AM  

Algebrat: Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
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Answer: because it's 2019, not 1983 - 1985.


Smarted.
 
2019-03-10 08:49:20 AM  

Biledriver: Smoking GNU: Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
[img.fark.net image 404x276]
How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
[img.fark.net image 425x279]

That's really the comment your going for? Over a hundred people dead and it's " Y POO PEOPLE HAVE NICE THINGS??!!??" Classy, man. Real classy.

I don't think calling them "Poo People" helps matters.


Must be from a sh*thole country like Ethiopia.
 
2019-03-10 08:56:52 AM  

Kefka1911: Smoking GNU: Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
[img.fark.net image 404x276]
How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
[img.fark.net image 425x279]

That's really the comment your going for? Over a hundred people dead and it's " Y POO PEOPLE HAVE NICE THINGS??!!??" Classy, man. Real classy.

Oh Fark, I guess I forgot what site I was on. We're all so respectful and enlightened here.
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Fark is not to blame for your ridiculous take.  An airline exists in Ethiopia because there is enough air travel business to sustain it.
 
2019-03-10 08:57:00 AM  
It's almost as if airline companies are more concerned with maximizing profits rather than ensure the safe upkeep of their aircraft, but we all know that just couldn't be possible, right?
 
2019-03-10 09:00:20 AM  

Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
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Because the government (which owns the airline) is using said airline as a means to hopefully help improve the standard of living and quality of life for those less fortunate, because aviation and a strong airline network with connections to the world have traditionally been a way for societies to improve their situations?

The airline is quite profitable, provides good paying jobs, and gives economic opportunity to people and a region which otherwise wouldn't exist if the airline wasn't there.
 
2019-03-10 09:00:27 AM  

NephilimNexus: It's almost as if airline companies are more concerned with maximizing profits rather than ensure the safe upkeep of their aircraft, but we all know that just couldn't be possible, right?


Way too soon to play the airline profit/maintenance card. With reference to the Lion Air crash, there is a possibility this is a design issue with the 737 Max.
 
2019-03-10 09:09:18 AM  
Boeing stock crashes on Monday .
 
2019-03-10 09:12:16 AM  

clodcomplex: An airline exists in Ethiopia because there is enough air travel business to sustain it.


That argument does not necessarily apply to government-owned flag carriers, many of which exist for reasons of political prestige rather than business opportunity.
 
2019-03-10 09:13:51 AM  

Yaw String: Way too soon to play the airline profit/maintenance card. With reference to the Lion Air crash, there is a possibility this is a design issue with the 737 Max.


Time to rename the 737 Max. Is anyone using "Comet" for airliners at the moment?
 
2019-03-10 09:16:30 AM  

Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
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Considering you still live in 1985, I recommend you buy lots of Microsoft stock. Trust me.
 
2019-03-10 09:23:08 AM  
This take bugged me a little. Is nationality of any import when so many lives have been lost?

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2019-03-10 09:24:19 AM  

ihateallofyou: Is it just me or have there been a bit more plane crashes than normal?


We had so long a period without major crashes that the ones now happening are coming to your attention more.
 
2019-03-10 09:31:36 AM  

orbister: clodcomplex: An airline exists in Ethiopia because there is enough air travel business to sustain it.

That argument does not necessarily apply to government-owned flag carriers, many of which exist for reasons of political prestige rather than business opportunity.


Governments may choose to subsidize an airline if they feel it is in the interests of their country.
But in this case:
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2019-03-10 09:36:44 AM  

phenn: This take bugged me a little. Is nationality of any import when so many lives have been lost?

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Not related to your point exactly, but it seems like that's an unusually diverse arrangement of nationalities on a flight between Ethiopia and Kenya.  Only about a third of the total are people of African citizenship on an intra-African flight.  Maybe something unique about the route?
 
2019-03-10 09:41:05 AM  

phenn: This take bugged me a little. Is nationality of any import when so many lives have been lost?

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The home button is not working, I will have to Fark my reply!
 
2019-03-10 09:42:24 AM  

wxboy: phenn: This take bugged me a little. Is nationality of any import when so many lives have been lost?

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Not related to your point exactly, but it seems like that's an unusually diverse arrangement of nationalities on a flight between Ethiopia and Kenya.  Only about a third of the total are people of African citizenship on an intra-African flight.  Maybe something unique about the route?


Could be a connecting flight for tourists going on safari.
 
2019-03-10 09:43:36 AM  

wxboy: phenn: This take bugged me a little. Is nationality of any import when so many lives have been lost?

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Not related to your point exactly, but it seems like that's an unusually diverse arrangement of nationalities on a flight between Ethiopia and Kenya.  Only about a third of the total are people of African citizenship on an intra-African flight.  Maybe something unique about the route?


Maybe they were going to a stock photo conference.
 
2019-03-10 09:44:02 AM  
This is a very bad trend for the new aircraft.
 
2019-03-10 09:45:17 AM  
BBC reporting that the pilot had radioed saying he was having difficulty and requested permission to return, which was granted.

Fligh radar 24 suggest it was having airspeed issues trying to climb.

It sounds very similar to the Lion air crash so far...
 
2019-03-10 09:45:21 AM  
Has CNN asked if a black hole is responsible yet?
 
2019-03-10 09:48:17 AM  

Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
[img.fark.net image 425x279]


It's a profit center. It *makes* money. It has *made* money even during the communist times.

You're an ignorant asshole.
 
2019-03-10 09:49:35 AM  

Deep Contact: Boeing stock crashes on Monday .


Yup, and along with it, GE (even more than it was already), even though it maybe appears to be a Boeing issue rather than engine related. The article surmised that the craft broke up at altitude, rather than impacting the ground intact. Structural failure on a new aircraft might lead one to think that something in the control inputs went haywire, causing overstress of one or more control surfaces. Fatigue failure in a young aircraft seems unlikely.

Either that or the Rooskies shot it down.
 
2019-03-10 09:50:20 AM  

wxboy: phenn: This take bugged me a little. Is nationality of any import when so many lives have been lost?

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Not related to your point exactly, but it seems like that's an unusually diverse arrangement of nationalities on a flight between Ethiopia and Kenya.  Only about a third of the total are people of African citizenship on an intra-African flight.  Maybe something unique about the route?


Ethiopian Airlines is the airline of choice for discerning African travellers who need to go to an airport that requires one or two connections. They're the best airline in Africa (by a country mile) and I am going to give them a huge benefit of the doubt that this has nothing to do with pilot training or maintenance.
 
2019-03-10 09:54:54 AM  
Photos and video from the site show reasonably long but fairly shallow impact cratering, and a lot of fairly small pieces of debris. But it's not clear from what's been shown so far if it's all in one area or spread out.
 
2019-03-10 09:56:20 AM  

Nick Nostril: Deep Contact: Boeing stock crashes on Monday .

Yup, and along with it, GE (even more than it was already), even though it maybe appears to be a Boeing issue rather than engine related. The article surmised that the craft broke up at altitude, rather than impacting the ground intact. Structural failure on a new aircraft might lead one to think that something in the control inputs went haywire, causing overstress of one or more control surfaces. Fatigue failure in a young aircraft seems unlikely.

Either that or the Rooskies shot it down.


fark you. People died. Russians had nothing to do with it.
 
2019-03-10 09:57:41 AM  

wxboy: phenn: This take bugged me a little. Is nationality of any import when so many lives have been lost?

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Not related to your point exactly, but it seems like that's an unusually diverse arrangement of nationalities on a flight between Ethiopia and Kenya.  Only about a third of the total are people of African citizenship on an intra-African flight.  Maybe something unique about the route?


The United Nations Environment Assembly is s taking place from March 11-15 in Nairobi.
 
2019-03-10 09:58:34 AM  
Holy shiat that's the crash site? Seriously? There's nothing left!

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2019-03-10 10:09:41 AM  
Just throwing this out there... maybe Boeing should ground the max aircraft to see what's going on.
 
2019-03-10 10:11:37 AM  

thisdaydreamer: Holy shiat that's the crash site? Seriously? There's nothing left!


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Looks like one survivor maybe.
 
2019-03-10 10:17:51 AM  

ColonelCathcart: wxboy: phenn: This take bugged me a little. Is nationality of any import when so many lives have been lost?

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Not related to your point exactly, but it seems like that's an unusually diverse arrangement of nationalities on a flight between Ethiopia and Kenya.  Only about a third of the total are people of African citizenship on an intra-African flight.  Maybe something unique about the route?

Ethiopian Airlines is the airline of choice for discerning African travellers who need to go to an airport that requires one or two connections. They're the best airline in Africa (by a country mile) and I am going to give them a huge benefit of the doubt that this has nothing to do with pilot training or maintenance.


This.  They are also a member of Star Alliance, the airline alliance featuring others including United, Lufthansa, ANA, Air Canada, and Singapore Airlines, among a number of others.  If you are a frequent flyer on any one of those carriers, and need to get to a place like Nairobi, there's a very good chance that the most sensible / cost effective routing is going to be on Ethiopian through Addis Abba.  Ethiopian has an incredibly modern fleet of long haul 787's that they run to major international hubs on other continents, allowing you to two-hop to just about anywhere in Africa.  I'm not in the least surprised by that passenger lineup.

I *am* surprised that another brand new 787 Max crashed on departure.  Crashes like this shouldn't happen anymore.  Ever.  Two is too many.
 
2019-03-10 10:18:59 AM  

dryknife: thisdaydreamer: Holy shiat that's the crash site? Seriously? There's nothing left!

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Looks like one survivor maybe.


That'd be the airline's CEO.  Who went to the crash site for a photo op.  And handled wreckage.  So much wrong in that photo.
 
2019-03-10 10:33:08 AM  

Cyrene Valantion: Photos and video from the site show reasonably long but fairly shallow impact cratering, and a lot of fairly small pieces of debris. But it's not clear from what's been shown so far if it's all in one area or spread out.


You have link? The ony photo I can find is with the CEO standing in the wreckage. Going by that one and the amazingly small debris, that would be a very steep, high speed impact. Those kinds of impacts not only produce very small pieces but bury most of the wreckage below the surface. And I hope I'm wrong because that would be very similiar to the last MAX crash.
 
2019-03-10 10:33:42 AM  

Archie Goodwin: The Boeing 737 MAX 8...

I don't know what Boeing changed in the MAX series, but it doesn't look too good.


This.
 
2019-03-10 10:39:31 AM  

phenn: This take bugged me a little. Is nationality of any import when so many lives have been lost?

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As a Canadian, I'm used to seeing headlines like this. The second a Canadian is involved that's what makes the headline. I think because there is such a diverse passenger list, it's a way to let people know, "hey, this might actually affect you or someone you know, even though you're so far away."
 
2019-03-10 10:40:19 AM  

Yaw String: NephilimNexus: It's almost as if airline companies are more concerned with maximizing profits rather than ensure the safe upkeep of their aircraft, but we all know that just couldn't be possible, right?

Way too soon to play the airline profit/maintenance card. With reference to the Lion Air crash, there is a possibility this is a design issue with the 737 Max.


This is Fark where we speculate on the cause, settling on the theory that best fits our political bias, and argue how more or less regulation would have prevented the accident.  We dont need facts.

And when the facts do come out we'll argue again about how more or less regulation would have prevented it.
 
2019-03-10 10:42:25 AM  

Kefka1911: Question:
When this is the General Starving Population of your country.
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How the hell can a Airline exist yet afford one of these while based in said country?
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Exactly! I'd say United, Delta and American stop buying new planes until all homeless and starving people in the US are housed and fed.
 
2019-03-10 10:44:13 AM  

thisdaydreamer: Holy shiat that's the crash site? Seriously? There's nothing left!

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That's just an Ethiopian farm.  The crash site is nearby.
 
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