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2019-03-06 11:11:25 AM  
Other than the cost of a television and the electricity to run it, I have never and will never pay for stupidity.
 
2019-03-06 11:16:49 AM  
That headline is very awkwardly worded.

/TF headline critic
 
2019-03-06 11:18:59 AM  
I added it this week because I live in the market for my favorite baseball team so the only way I can watch is either cable or satellite. It was cheaper than the couple of live streaming services I've tried and a hell of a lot easier to use
 
2019-03-06 11:19:10 AM  

Jimmysolson: I have never and will never pay for stupidity.


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2019-03-06 11:20:42 AM  

Jimmysolson: Other than the cost of a television and the electricity to run it, I have never and will never pay for stupidity.


And yet here I am.
Twas gifted TF though. ; )
 
2019-03-06 11:23:06 AM  

Petit_Merdeux: Jimmysolson: I have never and will never pay for stupidity.

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Shut this one down, peeps. We're done.
 
2019-03-06 11:25:07 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: I added it this week because I live in the market for my favorite baseball team so the only way I can watch is either cable or satellite. It was cheaper than the couple of live streaming services I've tried and a hell of a lot easier to use


My issue with cable is the commitment they rope you into. For college basketball I can sign up for Hulu Live (Or YouTubeTV next near, since Hulu raised their price) in November and cancel in April, no questions asked or equipment to be returned.

Luckily I root for an out-of-market baseball team so MLB.tv covers me.
 
2019-03-06 11:26:48 AM  

Imperialism: cameroncrazy1984: I added it this week because I live in the market for my favorite baseball team so the only way I can watch is either cable or satellite. It was cheaper than the couple of live streaming services I've tried and a hell of a lot easier to use

My issue with cable is the commitment they rope you into. For college basketball I can sign up for Hulu Live (Or YouTubeTV next near, since Hulu raised their price) in November and cancel in April, no questions asked or equipment to be returned.

Luckily I root for an out-of-market baseball team so MLB.tv covers me.


Yeah that is the downside, but the SO watches some cable shows and it came with hbo included (for the duration, not just 3 months or whatnot)
 
2019-03-06 11:27:21 AM  
I cut off my Cox (heh) two years ago and haven't looked back. Unfortunately, I still use them for my internet service, the price of which they just raised $20 to $97/mo for 150mbps. I downgraded to 30mbps, but I'm still paying nearly $70, which is highway farking robbery.
 
2019-03-06 11:29:09 AM  
I have basic cable because I only have a PC and that is my internet connection. The price difference between just internet and with basic cable is nominal, so I get both.
 
2019-03-06 11:32:02 AM  
Of course that happened.

There was no new Game of Thrones season in 2018.
 
2019-03-06 11:32:12 AM  
If a cable news channel were to run this story, it would buffered by 5 minutes of ads on either end of the story, layered with sponsorship, spun based on ownership's personal bent, and delivered in soundbites and sixth grade English. 99% of cable is pure garbage and advertisements. There are sports channels, but those are some of the worst about barrage marketing tactics. Why the hell do people pay $1000+ per year to watch advertising?

No, thanks.
 
2019-03-06 11:32:35 AM  
I have cable for internet.
I subscribe to Amazon prime, Netflix, Hulu commercial free and Brit box.
Anything I can't get through the streaming services, I buy from Amazon.
After years of no commercials, I cannot watch regular TV.  The commercials just piss me off. I just can't do it.
 
2019-03-06 11:32:36 AM  
My local company wanted $23 a month for half the channels you can get over the air with an antenna. It is called the basic package.

What a waste of money.
 
2019-03-06 11:32:44 AM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2019-03-06 11:33:01 AM  
I got rid of cable TV a little over 9 years ago. Out of all the channels, I was watching the locals more than the cable channels, and I can get all my locals free over the air via antenna. Lost interest in the cable channels when they all started going "all reality TV, all the time", and WAY too many commercials.

Also,  I don't have a use for the online services that stream live cable TV channels. It's the same lame channels I wasn't watching back when I had cable TV, just delivered a different way. I only pay for the ad free version of Hulu, CBS All Access, and Britbox (less than $30 total monthly). Between those three, online podcasts, my ever growing DVD/Blu-ray collection, and the 26 channels I get free over the air, I have WAY more than I have the time to watch!
 
2019-03-06 11:38:57 AM  

wiseolddude: The price difference between just internet and with basic cable is nominal, so I get both.


Same here. I also realize that's how the screw with you. People can cut their cable as much as they want but the cable companies will just jack up the cost of internet service. Unless I'm missing something, there's no way out of it (other than satellite but that's not so reliable).
 
2019-03-06 11:42:57 AM  
we cut the cord I think in like Oct 2018. Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime. My wife is the big TV watcher so as long as she is happy Im good. our cable bill was insane before we cut the cord. I am paying less than 1/2 of what we were for just the internet pipe. I haven't missed anything as far as TV is concerned.
 
2019-03-06 11:43:58 AM  
I wish I was close enough to the big city to pick up free OTA TV.  We currently use Hulu (no commercials) and Netflix, but what we really want is CBS ALL ACCESS! (j/k)
 
2019-03-06 11:45:31 AM  
They shouldn't worry. Once they start throttling Netflix and others straight to hell, you'll all come back.

/thanks, Ajit Pai.
 
2019-03-06 11:46:56 AM  
I have an internet connection, AdBlock+, and I know how to use bit torrent. This has been how I've consumed media for the last 15 years since I was a wee lad in high school.

Why on earth would I ever pay for TV? 99% of the content is garbage that I will never watch nor care to support. The experience of commercial TV advertising is basically akin to someone with dysentery shiatting directly into my skull through my ear, all for products I will almost assuredly never buy and for whom I am not the target market.

For stuff I actually like and want to support, I'll contribute directly to the creator through patreon or donations or swag purchases or whatever. fark having to pay for shiat I don't want and listen to ads that actively detract from my enjoyment of the content.
 
2019-03-06 11:51:24 AM  

Petit_Merdeux: Jimmysolson: I have never and will never pay for stupidity.

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2019-03-06 12:10:53 PM  
FTA: Satellite distributors DirecTV and Dish Network suffered the bulk of the losses, a collective 2.36 million in 2018, up from 1.55 million in 2017.

I wonder if DirectTV still requires customers to shoulder the cost of receiver upgrades when they upgrade their system.  I dropped them back when my first-gen HD receiver couldn't decode any of the new HD channels they were rolling out.

Having to shell out $125 for a new HD receiver wasn't terrible, but hidden in the fine print was a clause that said that I had to return the receiver if I canceled service and would not receive that $125 back.  Oh hell no.

With UHD starting to roll out, I could see this being a thing again.
 
2019-03-06 12:14:45 PM  
Here's a link to cord cutters news.

And another to a place that sells antennas.

Unless you live way way out in the boonies or there's a mountain between you and the place of signal origin you should be able to find a long range antenna that will work. Direction is crucial to reception...
Good luck!
 
2019-03-06 12:17:10 PM  
And the cable industry response to this will be raise prices, slash services and cut channels. I really wish they would ditch all the ESPN channels all the is really on them now is the business of sports and 50 talking heads yelling about the controversy de jour.
 
2019-03-06 12:34:18 PM  

groppet: And the cable industry response to this will be raise prices, slash services and cut channels. I really wish they would ditch all the ESPN channels all the is really on them now is the business of sports and 50 talking heads yelling about the controversy de jour.


Disney will never allow cable and mini-sat companies to remove ESPN from their basic channel offerings if they want to retain access to other Disney properties.  People complain loud enough as-is when the carriers get into a spat over carrier fees regarding other channels.  Do you imagine what would happen if all of the Disney-owned channels, which now include a bunch of former 20th Fox holdings, all went dark?  No carrier would dare it.
 
2019-03-06 12:41:55 PM  

FlashHarry: I cut off my Cox (heh) two years ago and haven't looked back. Unfortunately, I still use them for my internet service, the price of which they just raised $20 to $97/mo for 150mbps. I downgraded to 30mbps, but I'm still paying nearly $70, which is highway farking robbery.


I lost my Cox because they kept bumping my bill every few months. Went from paying $100 for 150mbps down to $80 guaranteed 2 years for 25mbps down and DirectTV (through At&t). Once the contract is up I'll drop the satellite and be wholly cordless. The speeds aren't great but they're enough.
 
2019-03-06 01:36:23 PM  

kindms: we cut the cord I think in like Oct 2018. Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime. My wife is the big TV watcher so as long as she is happy Im good. our cable bill was insane before we cut the cord. I am paying less than 1/2 of what we were for just the internet pipe. I haven't missed anything as far as TV is concerned.


Similar situation here.  Wife like the K-dramas which she watches on Vicki for the most part.  Get Hulu cheap since my daughter has a college student email address so she gets Hulu and Spotify for $5.00/month.  Waiting for the price to increase on the internet but was told to just call to get it dropped again.
 
2019-03-06 01:50:06 PM  

FlashHarry: I cut off my Cox (heh) two years ago and haven't looked back. Unfortunately, I still use them for my internet service, the price of which they just raised $20 to $97/mo for 150mbps. I downgraded to 30mbps, but I'm still paying nearly $70, which is highway farking robbery.


they call it Freedom
 
2019-03-06 01:52:10 PM  
Streaming Box:
Kodi
Netlfix
YouTube
PBS
Pluto TV
Puffin Web Browser

Thank you.
 
2019-03-06 02:17:02 PM  

beezeltown: Why the hell do people pay $1000+ per year to watch advertising?


THIS. I absolutely loathe TV ads. We haven't had cable for over a decade and it feels like being in another world when we're over at someone's house and the TV is on in the background just screaming ads at you every couple minutes. Ugh.
 
2019-03-06 02:20:20 PM  

DecemberNitro: beezeltown: Why the hell do people pay $1000+ per year to watch advertising?

THIS. I absolutely loathe TV ads. We haven't had cable for over a decade and it feels like being in another world when we're over at someone's house and the TV is on in the background just screaming ads at you every couple minutes. Ugh.


It's obscene. Watermark, bumpers, sometimes an ad takes up 2/3 of the screen during the actual show! Why does anyone tolerate that?
 
2019-03-06 02:21:09 PM  

FlashHarry: I cut off my Cox (heh) two years ago and haven't looked back. Unfortunately, I still use them for my internet service, the price of which they just raised $20 to $97/mo for 150mbps. I downgraded to 30mbps, but I'm still paying nearly $70, which is highway farking robbery.


Jesus.  I just installed Wide Open West 1Gbps for $70/mo.  Clearly Net Neutrality is unnecessary
 
2019-03-06 02:29:05 PM  

Dinjiin: groppet: And the cable industry response to this will be raise prices, slash services and cut channels. I really wish they would ditch all the ESPN channels all the is really on them now is the business of sports and 50 talking heads yelling about the controversy de jour.

Disney will never allow cable and mini-sat companies to remove ESPN from their basic channel offerings if they want to retain access to other Disney properties.  People complain loud enough as-is when the carriers get into a spat over carrier fees regarding other channels.  Do you imagine what would happen if all of the Disney-owned channels, which now include a bunch of former 20th Fox holdings, all went dark?  No carrier would dare it.


Was just in the news that there is at least one carrier who is just dropping pay TV services altogether and going internet-only, because as much as people have to pay for the cable TV content, it's actually not profitable to deliver it. The content providers are continuously raising their carriage fees and the cable companies can only pass on so much.

Right now streaming providers are absorbing losses and probably getting sweetheart carriage fee deals in an effort to earn market share. Someday that market will be mature, and then all that is going to go away, then streaming TV will cost just as much as cable does. Because at the end of the day, the content providers decide what their content is worth, and they're going to make anyone who wants to watch it pay for it or do without.

I genuinely wonder how this is all going to look in 10 years. I'd bet that by then everything Disney owns can only be had through either a cable subscription or their own streaming network, and the total cost of all their sports and other entertainment content will probably be something like $99 per month.
 
2019-03-06 02:33:12 PM  

pdieten: Dinjiin: groppet: And the cable industry response to this will be raise prices, slash services and cut channels. I really wish they would ditch all the ESPN channels all the is really on them now is the business of sports and 50 talking heads yelling about the controversy de jour.

Disney will never allow cable and mini-sat companies to remove ESPN from their basic channel offerings if they want to retain access to other Disney properties.  People complain loud enough as-is when the carriers get into a spat over carrier fees regarding other channels.  Do you imagine what would happen if all of the Disney-owned channels, which now include a bunch of former 20th Fox holdings, all went dark?  No carrier would dare it.

Was just in the news that there is at least one carrier who is just dropping pay TV services altogether and going internet-only, because as much as people have to pay for the cable TV content, it's actually not profitable to deliver it. The content providers are continuously raising their carriage fees and the cable companies can only pass on so much.

Right now streaming providers are absorbing losses and probably getting sweetheart carriage fee deals in an effort to earn market share. Someday that market will be mature, and then all that is going to go away, then streaming TV will cost just as much as cable does. Because at the end of the day, the content providers decide what their content is worth, and they're going to make anyone who wants to watch it pay for it or do without.

I genuinely wonder how this is all going to look in 10 years. I'd bet that by then everything Disney owns can only be had through either a cable subscription or their own streaming network, and the total cost of all their sports and other entertainment content will probably be something like $99 per month.


Ding ding ding! People are in for a nasty shock and I don't understand why more people don't see this coming.

/psst, several of those catv/internet providers own a huge chunk of the content providers now
 
2019-03-06 02:39:06 PM  
I just got "up to" 140mbps at the new house for $65/mo. They SAY it's the same price for as long as I have it, but we'll see how often it gets "up to" and how many new fees they attach after a while. They've been following the airfare model for a while now.

DecemberNitro: beezeltown: Why the hell do people pay $1000+ per year to watch advertising?

THIS. I absolutely loathe TV ads. We haven't had cable for over a decade and it feels like being in another world when we're over at someone's house and the TV is on in the background just screaming ads at you every couple minutes. Ugh.


Same. How many ads for erectile dysfunction do there need to be? I counted 4 different ones on Fox sports last weekend. (staying with family, Dad watches weird things)
 
2019-03-06 02:46:15 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: Jimmysolson: I have never and will never pay for stupidity.

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2019-03-06 02:53:34 PM  
The only option for internet where I live besides Cox is Century Link. I've had Century Link before, and it was awful where I live. I may just go back to them for a month or two so I can go back to Cox at the introductory rate. As it is, Cox told me the cheapest internet available at my house is $100 a month.

Also, my parents had a promotional rate with Cox for $54 a month. They suspended service when they went back east (home) for a summer. When they came back, Cox would no longer offer the promotional rate because there's a loophole in their contract that says if you suspend service you lose the deal. Fark Cox.

I wish we had a third option where I live. I feel no guilt about streaming sports, movies, and TV shows through my Android box since Cox is still getting their pound of flesh from me. Again; fark 'em.
 
2019-03-06 03:10:59 PM  

pdieten: Dinjiin: groppet: And the cable industry response to this will be raise prices, slash services and cut channels. I really wish they would ditch all the ESPN channels all the is really on them now is the business of sports and 50 talking heads yelling about the controversy de jour.

Disney will never allow cable and mini-sat companies to remove ESPN from their basic channel offerings if they want to retain access to other Disney properties.  People complain loud enough as-is when the carriers get into a spat over carrier fees regarding other channels.  Do you imagine what would happen if all of the Disney-owned channels, which now include a bunch of former 20th Fox holdings, all went dark?  No carrier would dare it.

Was just in the news that there is at least one carrier who is just dropping pay TV services altogether and going internet-only, because as much as people have to pay for the cable TV content, it's actually not profitable to deliver it. The content providers are continuously raising their carriage fees and the cable companies can only pass on so much.

Right now streaming providers are absorbing losses and probably getting sweetheart carriage fee deals in an effort to earn market share. Someday that market will be mature, and then all that is going to go away, then streaming TV will cost just as much as cable does. Because at the end of the day, the content providers decide what their content is worth, and they're going to make anyone who wants to watch it pay for it or do without.

I genuinely wonder how this is all going to look in 10 years. I'd bet that by then everything Disney owns can only be had through either a cable subscription or their own streaming network, and the total cost of all their sports and other entertainment content will probably be something like $99 per month.


It's really too bad that we don't make proper use of antitrust laws in this country.
 
2019-03-06 03:32:50 PM  

FlashHarry: I cut off my Cox (heh) two years ago and haven't looked back. Unfortunately, I still use them for my internet service, the price of which they just raised $20 to $97/mo for 150mbps. I downgraded to 30mbps, but I'm still paying nearly $70, which is highway farking robbery.


Damn, I get 1gb from FIOS for $80 a month.  I stream everything.  Once the weather improves I plan to see what I can get with an antenna.
 
2019-03-06 04:07:17 PM  

Dinjiin: groppet: And the cable industry response to this will be raise prices, slash services and cut channels. I really wish they would ditch all the ESPN channels all the is really on them now is the business of sports and 50 talking heads yelling about the controversy de jour.

Disney will never allow cable and mini-sat companies to remove ESPN from their basic channel offerings if they want to retain access to other Disney properties.  People complain loud enough as-is when the carriers get into a spat over carrier fees regarding other channels.  Do you imagine what would happen if all of the Disney-owned channels, which now include a bunch of former 20th Fox holdings, all went dark?  No carrier would dare it.


Orby is a new company with no sports, no Disney, for $40-50/mo.  No contract, you own the equipment.  Dish for pay channels, antenna for locals, one box with one channel guide.

They should have come about five years ago before streaming really took off. Now people know thy don't miss most of those pay channels.
 
2019-03-06 10:26:50 PM  

kittyhas1000legs: They should have come about five years ago before streaming really took off. Now people know thy don't miss most of those pay channels.


One thing about having Sat transponders is you can send to people who can't stream. My cable TV company has about 1000 movies in their streaming library at any given time which will fit on 2 hard drives. A proper DVR with a good interface were you can pick a show and it will start a prerecorded trailer while it schedules the 1st 5 minutes of the move to be sent at once could be sold as "no streaming -- instant movies". The whole thing could be based on a modified bit torrent client with IP multicast.

I would consider there service if they didn't have to install it and if their sat was over Hawaii but it won't be. They require a $150 install which I assume the installer will get about $40 of.
 
2019-03-07 07:48:04 AM  

DON.MAC: kittyhas1000legs: They should have come about five years ago before streaming really took off. Now people know thy don't miss most of those pay channels.

One thing about having Sat transponders is you can send to people who can't stream. My cable TV company has about 1000 movies in their streaming library at any given time which will fit on 2 hard drives. A proper DVR with a good interface were you can pick a show and it will start a prerecorded trailer while it schedules the 1st 5 minutes of the move to be sent at once could be sold as "no streaming -- instant movies". The whole thing could be based on a modified bit torrent client with IP multicast.

I would consider there service if they didn't have to install it and if their sat was over Hawaii but it won't be. They require a $150 install which I assume the installer will get about $40 of.


You can get a dish with a linear LNBF, LO 10750 and an antenna, then call them to activate once the dish is aligned. Aiming the dish is the hard part.

I do think they may have a niche (people with only DSL/satellite internet), but they might be hard to get with no sports and no Fox News.
 
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