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(Science Magazine)   Anti-vaxxers attend a U.S. science panel, finally see the error of their ways. Just kidding, they attack the panel like a bad case of measles attacking an unvaccinated child   (sciencemag.org) divider line
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2019-03-06 09:40:25 AM  
It's time for the Botulism Challenge for those farking idiots..  Here, eat this entire jar of of tainted smoked salmon, and let's see how long you last without interventional medicines..  Whoever lasts the longest gets a free trip to Disney World.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2019-03-06 09:56:17 AM  
Ah the old 'this vaccine harms 0.01-0.05% of kids so it's way worse than leaving them unvaccinated, only 1.4% are harmed naturally and 0.3% die' argument - because dying a natural death is great for kids, leaves them big and strong in that little coffin.

Source of stats - https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/9​/5/​02-0562_article
 
2019-03-06 09:56:35 AM  
Ooooh! A bunch of "scientists" say we should get vaccinated while they fly around on planes and drive cars! Such hypocrites!

They can't even make up their minds if Pluto is a planet or a Disney character!
 
2019-03-06 10:09:30 AM  

Xai: Ah the old 'this vaccine harms 0.01-0.05% of kids so it's way worse than leaving them unvaccinated, only 1.4% are harmed naturally and 0.3% die' argument - because dying a natural death is great for kids, leaves them big and strong in that little coffin.

Source of stats - https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/9/​5/02-0562_article


These things only affect a tiny percentage of the population! Quick, we should ban/heavily restrict those things!
 
2019-03-06 10:19:49 AM  
 Unfortunately this is getting a work out recently.


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2019-03-06 10:20:23 AM  
Oblig.

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2019-03-06 10:22:50 AM  
"My ignorance is just as valid as your logical position that is well-supported by mounds of solid evidence!"
 
2019-03-06 10:23:56 AM  
just  make it so not vaccinating children is grounds for their removal due to child abuse, neglect, willfully placing your child in danger, attempted murder, and whatever else they can think of
 
2019-03-06 10:24:08 AM  
Anti vaxxers are a plague on mankind.
 
2019-03-06 10:24:12 AM  
The increasingly vituperative public attacks can be tough on ACIP scientists, however. "How does it feel knowing that your vote killed my son?" one woman asked the panel in October 2018.

"Not that bad, since I don't know the medical details of your son's case, but as an antivaxxer it's possible you're blaming the vaccination for causing him to be run over by a drunk driver.  And even if the vaccine did contribute to his death I still wouldn't feel to terrible since I know my vote would saved the lives of thousands of other kids."
 
2019-03-06 10:25:11 AM  

eKonk: "My ignorance is just as valid as your logical position that is well-supported by mounds of solid evidence!"


But, but, but, their appeals to emotion! How can you ignore their feelings and their beliefs and their fears? You heartless autism-supporter!
 
2019-03-06 10:26:03 AM  
fark them.

But use protection
 
2019-03-06 10:26:21 AM  

lifeslammer: just  make it so not vaccinating children is grounds for their removal due to child abuse, neglect, willfully placing your child in danger, attempted murder, and whatever else they can think of


Just make it so that not vaccinating your children makes them legally unable to enter public areas such as schools, movie theaters, restaurants, or businesses.
 
2019-03-06 10:26:27 AM  

Galileo's Daughter: Anti vaxxers are a plague on mankind.


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Would it be self defense to shoot an anti-vaxxer who was exposed to measles and who is now coming right for me?
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2019-03-06 10:26:48 AM  
I'd make a wager that the majority of these adult anti-vaxxers are survivors of their own vaccinations. But all of a sudden, the vaccinations are now not safe? Since they (majority anyway) have been vaccinated, it will not be them suffering from whatever disease their un-vaccinated child may get.
 
2019-03-06 10:27:34 AM  

Karac: lifeslammer: just  make it so not vaccinating children is grounds for their removal due to child abuse, neglect, willfully placing your child in danger, attempted murder, and whatever else they can think of

Just make it so that not vaccinating your children makes them legally unable to enter public areas such as schools, movie theaters, restaurants, or businesses.


...or, just means that your family is now legally obligated to move somewhere extremely arid and remote, like, say, Perfection. Don't mind the nuclear testing, it's totally harmless. Might want to keep an eye out for the graboids, though.
 
2019-03-06 10:27:44 AM  
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2019-03-06 10:27:51 AM  
What about that huge Danish study that indicated a 17% increase in autism in unvaccinated kids. Oh right that huge study would not fit in my cherry picker.
 
2019-03-06 10:27:57 AM  
Finally something we can sarcastically say "Thanks Gen X!!!" for.
 
2019-03-06 10:28:45 AM  

Galileo's Daughter: Anti vaxxers are a plague on mankind.


In that case, I support the initiative.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2019-03-06 10:29:18 AM  

Kit Fister: Xai: Ah the old 'this vaccine harms 0.01-0.05% of kids so it's way worse than leaving them unvaccinated, only 1.4% are harmed naturally and 0.3% die' argument - because dying a natural death is great for kids, leaves them big and strong in that little coffin.

Source of stats - https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/9/​5/02-0562_article

These things only affect a tiny percentage of the population! Quick, we should ban/heavily restrict those things!


I should add that this illness generally affects 100% of the population in unvaccinated areas by age 5.
 
2019-03-06 10:29:29 AM  

sdd2000: Unfortunately this is getting a work out recently.


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I am pro-matter. Fark everyone who is anti-matter. I hope they explode.
 
2019-03-06 10:29:37 AM  
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2019-03-06 10:30:10 AM  

Galileo's Daughter: Anti vaxxers are a plague on mankind.


Maybe we should invest in a vaccine.

/yes, I know, "that's the joke"
 
2019-03-06 10:30:15 AM  
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2019-03-06 10:31:13 AM  

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And that one result that says it does was from a 'doctor' who was trying to prove that existing vaccines were dangerous so that he could make a buck by forcing people to switch to his company's alternative.

Even Wakefield wasn't saying that all vaccines are bad.  Although he did kind of prove anti-vaxxers claims that pharma companies want to use vaccines to make money off a captive market.
 
2019-03-06 10:32:31 AM  

markie_farkie: It's time for the Botulism Challenge for those farking idiots..  Here, eat this entire jar of of tainted smoked salmon, and let's see how long you last without interventional medicines..  Whoever lasts the longest gets a free trip to Disney World.


Half of them have probably already had that crap injected into their face, so they might actually be immune...
 
2019-03-06 10:32:53 AM  
It's always some parent who waited until they were in their 40s to start having kids and now their defective genes create a defective child and they have to blame vaccines.
 
2019-03-06 10:33:15 AM  
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2019-03-06 10:33:42 AM  
To be fare, theres a lot of "pro-vaxxers" that will argue with science when it doesnt suit their ideology, specifically issues regarding gender and sex.
 
2019-03-06 10:35:09 AM  
There are a couple anti-vaxxers at my Legion post.

One of them took great offense when she gave me some of their propaganda that looks like a third grader discovered Microsoft Word, only worse.  It was so badly laid out that it took me several seconds to even figure out what it was trying to say.  I handed it back to her but she insisted I read it and fairly rudely shoved it in front of me at the table I was sitting at.  I balled it up and tossed it into a trash can.  I think what really pissed her off was when I looked at her and said "swish."

I'll give one of them a little leeway because she was in a coma for months and realllllllly isn't quite right in the head.  She was also one of the first females to serve in the Coast Guard and that's pretty cool.  Irrelevant, but cool.
 
2019-03-06 10:35:27 AM  

Xai: I should add that this illness generally affects 100% of the population in unvaccinated areas by age 5.


well, I was more making a tongue-in-cheek comment about Anti-vaxxers freaking the fark out over vaccines despite their negative effects impacting a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the population.
 
2019-03-06 10:35:46 AM  

Kit Fister: Galileo's Daughter: Anti vaxxers are a plague on mankind.

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Would it be self defense to shoot an anti-vaxxer who was exposed to measles and who is now coming right for me?
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LOL, not if you're vaccinated!
 
2019-03-06 10:37:44 AM  

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That's a great commercial.
 
2019-03-06 10:38:43 AM  
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2019-03-06 10:41:06 AM  

sdd2000: Unfortunately this is getting a work out recently.


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2019-03-06 10:41:17 AM  
Here's a compromise.  You can refuse to vaccinate your kids.  Then you lose custody of them and get charged with child abuse.
 
2019-03-06 10:41:31 AM  
At least when anti-vaxxer's kids die they can't pass on their f*cking stupidity to the next generation.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2019-03-06 10:41:36 AM  

Kit Fister: Xai: I should add that this illness generally affects 100% of the population in unvaccinated areas by age 5.

well, I was more making a tongue-in-cheek comment about Anti-vaxxers freaking the fark out over vaccines despite their negative effects impacting a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the population.


I got that but I realised it might be important info that I left out - sorry I didn't mean to imply anything and I apologise that I didn't word it well enough to be clear on that.
 
2019-03-06 10:42:39 AM  

Karac: The increasingly vituperative public attacks can be tough on ACIP scientists, however. "How does it feel knowing that your vote killed my son?" one woman asked the panel in October 2018.

"Not that bad, since I don't know the medical details of your son's case, but as an antivaxxer it's possible you're blaming the vaccination for causing him to be run over by a drunk driver.  And even if the vaccine did contribute to his death I still wouldn't feel to terrible since I know my vote would saved the lives of thousands of other kids."


I see it like this:

Step 1: Idiots scream about vaccines in an emotional, unscientific way.
Step 2: People over-react for vaccines, declaring there is no risk in an unscientific way.
Step 3: This increases the number of incidents, and makes #2 look as bad as #1.

Step 4: Sanity prevails, and competent parents and doctors now monitor properly, and intervene early when an issue arises, which they rarely do.  Most worried parents now return to vaccination scheduling, because while #1 was clearly wrong, #2 was also wrong and they got worried, but now feel better.

Who am I kidding? we wouldn't have anything to argue about if Step 4 happened.
 
2019-03-06 10:43:12 AM  

Kit Fister: Xai: I should add that this illness generally affects 100% of the population in unvaccinated areas by age 5.

well, I was more making a tongue-in-cheek comment about Anti-vaxxers freaking the fark out over vaccines despite their negative effects impacting a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the population.


No you wasn't.  If you really believe in not vaccinating kids, stick to your guns.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2019-03-06 10:45:29 AM  

skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: To be fare, theres a lot of "pro-vaxxers" that will argue with science when it doesnt suit their ideology, specifically issues regarding gender and sex.


There are no 'pro vaxxers' - You seem to think that they are defined by what they say on internet message boards when that is not what defines us, it's what we do.

Anti-vaxxers are defined as such because they will actively try to obstruct medical professionals and overrule them. No-one exhibiting a positive sentiment on vaccines on the internet would ever act to positively over-rule a doctor if the doctor advised against vaccinating a child for any reason.
 
2019-03-06 10:47:07 AM  

markie_farkie: It's time for the Botulism Challenge for those farking idiots..  Here, eat this entire jar of of tainted smoked salmon, and let's see how long you last without interventional medicines..  Whoever lasts the longest gets a free trip to Disney World.


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It's like donating to the poor.
 
2019-03-06 10:52:53 AM  
 
2019-03-06 10:53:55 AM  
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2019-03-06 10:54:23 AM  

Xai: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: To be fare, theres a lot of "pro-vaxxers" that will argue with science when it doesnt suit their ideology, specifically issues regarding gender and sex.

There are no 'pro vaxxers' - You seem to think that they are defined by what they say on internet message boards when that is not what defines us, it's what we do.

Anti-vaxxers are defined as such because they will actively try to obstruct medical professionals and overrule them. No-one exhibiting a positive sentiment on vaccines on the internet would ever act to positively over-rule a doctor if the doctor advised against vaccinating a child for any reason.


I'm pro-vaccine.  But you're right, most of us don't advocate forcing vaccines on people that will have a serious reaction or die from getting it.  However, there are some who haven't thought enough about it (or done any research at all), who just want it to be mandatory because they've been assured nothing ever goes wrong.  I think it's important to acknowledge the risks, and provide people with a means to do something about their fears.  IE: call doctor immediately if X, Y, Z.  Go to the emergency room immediately and tell them you had this vaccine, if you see A, B, C.

The doctors and pediatricians I've interacted with see no need to tell the patient or parents, or hand out the sheets.  Sure, it's mostly a waste of paper.  But it would dramatically reduce the number of people worried about vaccines, I believe.
 
2019-03-06 10:54:42 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: There are a couple anti-vaxxers at my Legion post.

One of them took great offense when she gave me some of their propaganda that looks like a third grader discovered Microsoft Word, only worse.  It was so badly laid out that it took me several seconds to even figure out what it was trying to say.  I handed it back to her but she insisted I read it and fairly rudely shoved it in front of me at the table I was sitting at.  I balled it up and tossed it into a trash can.  I think what really pissed her off was when I looked at her and said "swish."

I'll give one of them a little leeway because she was in a coma for months and realllllllly isn't quite right in the head.  She was also one of the first females to serve in the Coast Guard and that's pretty cool.  Irrelevant, but cool.


"Sorry, ma'am.  I'm current on my anti-bullshiat vaccines."
 
2019-03-06 11:00:28 AM  

Xai: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: To be fare, theres a lot of "pro-vaxxers" that will argue with science when it doesnt suit their ideology, specifically issues regarding gender and sex.

There are no 'pro vaxxers' - You seem to think that they are defined by what they say on internet message boards when that is not what defines us, it's what we do.

Anti-vaxxers are defined as such because they will actively try to obstruct medical professionals and overrule them. No-one exhibiting a positive sentiment on vaccines on the internet would ever act to positively over-rule a doctor if the doctor advised against vaccinating a child for any reason.


Well, great! I never implied otherwise.Surely there are bigger piles of straw to argue with
 
2019-03-06 11:00:35 AM  

cowgirl toffee: No you wasn't. If you really believe in not vaccinating kids, stick to your guns.


...since when have I ever said anything about being against vaccines? I am, in fact, quite the opposite.

I was simply mocking a talking point currently being used about vaccines that seems to apply a lot when people have no logical or empirical evidence to support their position.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2019-03-06 11:03:44 AM  
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Well, great! I never implied otherwise.Surely there are bigger piles of straw to argue with

You said "There are pro-vaxxers" and I explained how that's an inaccurate term. How is that a strawman?

*shrugs*
 
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