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2019-03-03 03:48:25 PM  
Cool.
Trump seems to never tire of getting b*tchslapped.
 
2019-03-03 03:48:28 PM  
So now the question who is going to bandwagon, and who's gonna try to keep their Trump toady ledger in the black.
 
2019-03-03 03:51:50 PM  
...IF someone doesn't walk their talk away from the issue...which, in fairness, the folks they're relying on have sort of habits of doing so...
 
2019-03-03 03:54:05 PM  

hubiestubert: ...IF someone doesn't walk their talk away from the issue...which, in fairness, the folks they're relying on have sort of habits of doing so...


Brave words are really easy.

Brave actions are harder. I'm with you. We'll see who is voting which way when push comes to shove.
 
2019-03-03 03:57:14 PM  
I would bet the Trumpers aren't worrying too much.

McConnell will just slither up to Collins and she'll hem and haw and look concerned and then do whatever the hell the GOP tells her to, because party over country.
 
2019-03-03 03:57:23 PM  
Why did it take a farking libertarian THIS LONG to decide he was against a blatant power grab to spend billions on a problem that doesn't exist?

But thanks, I guess.
 
2019-03-03 03:57:29 PM  
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said that he will oppose President Trump

GOP Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Thom Tillis (N.C.) and Lisa Murkowski(Alaska) have already said they will vote

S
o they have one vote
 
2019-03-03 03:57:30 PM  
It doesn't matter as long as they can't break the veto so who cares.
 
2019-03-03 03:57:53 PM  
As if Susan Collins can be trusted to vote the way she originally said. Her spine was I believe last seen about a decade ago,
 
2019-03-03 03:59:59 PM  
Doesn't matter when Trump can just ignore it as they need a 2/3 majority to vote against Trump. I'm sure McConnell is explaining it all to him about how this really means nothing and the Senate will never override him.
 
2019-03-03 04:00:02 PM  
It's RAND PAUL. I'll believe it when I see it. Haven't seen an important vote yet where he didn't toe the line with his Republican and Russian paymasters.
 
2019-03-03 04:00:33 PM  

sinner4ever: It doesn't matter as long as they can't break the veto so who cares.


It puts them on the record one way or another and that matters.
 
2019-03-03 04:01:55 PM  
Oh, let the bastid have his fun.

Don't you think that Rand Paul is only human? Doesn't he deserve to have his day as much as any mangy old yellow cur? Personally I think of Rand Paul as slightly less than human, but that matters not a jot.

He might be the runt of the litter, but no dog gnaws the bone too hard if he gnaws with his or her own teef.
 
2019-03-03 04:01:56 PM  
Sooo we're assuming Manchin won't roll over for the GOP again?
 
2019-03-03 04:02:38 PM  
Hee, hee, hee.

Teef.

That was obviously intentional, so obvious that this post is de trop. Mansplaining, perhaps.
 
2019-03-03 04:04:00 PM  

veale728: Sooo we're assuming Manchin won't roll over for the GOP again?


That's the meaning of bipartisanship. Nobody knows who or how many are going to flake or crumble. You can't trust your own kind, of course, but then you never could even while you were gas-lighting the suckers in the first place.
 
2019-03-03 04:04:08 PM  

CthulhuCalling: It's RAND PAUL. I'll believe it when I see it. Haven't seen an important vote yet where he didn't toe the line with his Republican and Russian paymasters.


To be cynical, he's probably doing this because he knows a veto will not be overridden. So it's a win/win for him.
 
2019-03-03 04:06:11 PM  

wandererobtm101: sinner4ever: It doesn't matter as long as they can't break the veto so who cares.

It puts them on the record one way or another and that matters.


Plus let him veto it and explain to the courts how he "didn't need to do this"
 
2019-03-03 04:07:20 PM  

veale728: Sooo we're assuming Manchin won't roll over for the GOP again?


Manchin has never rolled over for the GOP. He's a gifted politician and an asset to the party. He'll vote in a way that plays well in WV when it doesn't matter, but when it does he always goes the party line.

Tell me, when has he been the deciding vote against Democratic priorities?
 
2019-03-03 04:09:07 PM  

skinink: CthulhuCalling: It's RAND PAUL. I'll believe it when I see it. Haven't seen an important vote yet where he didn't toe the line with his Republican and Russian paymasters.

To be cynical, he's probably doing this because he knows a veto will not be overridden. So it's a win/win for him.


Maybe not, but all of them are privately praying the courts strike it down. They won't like the precedent this will set, but they're too scared to risk getting primaried if they openly oppose Trump.
 
2019-03-03 04:10:33 PM  
A spokesman for Paul didn't immediately respond to a request for comment about his remarks.

iow, paul isn't get drawn into where his lines are
 
2019-03-03 04:10:37 PM  

VanillaEnvelope: veale728: Sooo we're assuming Manchin won't roll over for the GOP again?

Manchin has never rolled over for the GOP. He's a gifted politician and an asset to the party. He'll vote in a way that plays well in WV when it doesn't matter, but when it does he always goes the party line.

Tell me, when has he been the deciding vote against Democratic priorities?


"Sen. Manchin voted against a majority of Senate Democrats 152 times (27.3%) in the 115th Congress (2017-18)."
 
2019-03-03 04:11:03 PM  
This is the perfect vote for senators that want to give themselves a little distance from an unpopular president but that don't really want to go against him on anything that will have an actual impact.

"Oh, Gee, we voted against him.  It's just too bad he vetoed it and we didn't have the votes to overturn the veto"
 
2019-03-03 04:11:55 PM  

Boondock3806: Why did it take a farking libertarian THIS LONG to decide he was against a blatant power grab to spend billions on a problem that doesn't exist?

But thanks, I guess.


...because he's not REALLY all that focused on liberty, and more on continuing his turn at the trough...
 
2019-03-03 04:12:42 PM  
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/maybe that ass whoopin' knocked some sense into him
//lol, naaaah
 
2019-03-03 04:13:13 PM  

lindalouwho: Cool.
Trump seems to never tire of getting b*tchslapped.


Last time it cost him $130k for the privilege
 
2019-03-03 04:13:53 PM  
Rand Paul will use this claim to grand stand on something likely irrelevant, and then vote with his party as always. The dude literally has one trick.
 
2019-03-03 04:13:55 PM  

ElwoodCuse: wandererobtm101: sinner4ever: It doesn't matter as long as they can't break the veto so who cares.

It puts them on the record one way or another and that matters.

Plus let him veto it and explain to the courts how he "didn't need to do this"


And it's optics.  Make Trump veto, and it's a little bit more Congress vs. Trump and a little less Democrats vs. Republicans.  Do that and it might make a few more Republicans willing to question where their allegiances lie.
 
2019-03-03 04:14:51 PM  
I wonder what Rand Paul's Russian handlers have to say about his sudden urge to oppose their chosen President?
 
2019-03-03 04:15:35 PM  

veale728: VanillaEnvelope: veale728: Sooo we're assuming Manchin won't roll over for the GOP again?

Manchin has never rolled over for the GOP. He's a gifted politician and an asset to the party. He'll vote in a way that plays well in WV when it doesn't matter, but when it does he always goes the party line.

Tell me, when has he been the deciding vote against Democratic priorities?

"Sen. Manchin voted against a majority of Senate Democrats 152 times (27.3%) in the 115th Congress (2017-18)."


Wow, it's almost as if you didn't understand the point at all!

Manchin votes like a WV politician when he can, and this is always done with the permission of party leadership.
On the ACA, tax cuts, etc. he always votes with the party.

You understand that it didn't matter whether Kavanaugh had 50 or 52 votes, right?
 
2019-03-03 04:18:42 PM  

Boondock3806: Why did it take a farking libertarian THIS LONG to decide he was against a blatant power grab to spend billions on a problem that doesn't exist?

But thanks, I guess.


Whoopie. Another Republican bravely stands up and says words that will do nothing to actually stop the policy.  It's like having Jeff Flake in the Senate again.  Lots of words that talk about regret and yet even policy Trump wants is supported anyway.
 
2019-03-03 04:19:04 PM  
Not a fan of Rand.

But a crack in the Republican front would be nice to see at this point, even if it is just posturing.
 
2019-03-03 04:19:51 PM  
I'll still believe it when I see it. It's like holding out hope that this is the day Charlie Brown gets to kick the ball.
 
2019-03-03 04:20:24 PM  

toraque: I would bet the Trumpers aren't worrying too much.

McConnell will just slither up to Collins and she'll hem and haw and look concerned and then do whatever the hell the GOP tells her to, because party over country.


He will promise to maybe consider potentionally talking about possibly pondering suggesting legislations that might keep Trump from doing whatever he wants at some underterminate time in the future when Trump May or may not be in office.
 
2019-03-03 04:20:44 PM  
His neighbors are going to kick his ass... again.
 
2019-03-03 04:20:45 PM  
I'll wait until Paul votes before celebrating...
 
2019-03-03 04:22:20 PM  

CthulhuCalling: It's RAND PAUL. I'll believe it when I see it. Haven't seen an important vote yet where he didn't toe the line with his Republican and Russian paymasters.


Yes he seems to come out against the Republicans every so often when he needs attention, and then when it's time to vote he *gasp* changes his mind and votes for the party.  I'll believe it when I read it after the vote.
 
2019-03-03 04:22:40 PM  

Churchy LaFemme: I'll wait until Paul votes before celebrating...


Not that it matters anyway. Trump can just veto the resolution.

Unless 2/3rds of the Senate sign on, it's meaningless. Best case scenario: Trump is annoyed and decides to vent on Twitter. As opposed to Trump being annoyed and venting on Twitter about something else.
 
2019-03-03 04:22:55 PM  

VanillaEnvelope: veale728: Sooo we're assuming Manchin won't roll over for the GOP again?

Manchin has never rolled over for the GOP. He's a gifted politician and an asset to the party. He'll vote in a way that plays well in WV when it doesn't matter, but when it does he always goes the party line.

Tell me, when has he been the deciding vote against Democratic priorities?


Eh. I can't speak for everyone in this shiathole, but at least from my own observations, Manchin seems disliked by both parties here. I think at this point he only wins elections based on name recognition (and because I think if a Republican ever won his seat, the ghost of Senator Byrd would beat them to death with his cane, and fate doesn't like me enough to give me that kind of entertainment).

The Dems hate him because he's seen as a DINO, and the Republicans hate him because he doesn't vote 100% with them. Both parties see him as untrustworthy. I'm not opposed to bipartisanship in theory, but when one party advocates putting kids in cages and is all but officially endorsed by every neo-nazi in the country, I really don't care if they might come up with a not-as-stupid-as-usual idea. Do not engage with them. Ever. For any reason.
 
2019-03-03 04:24:42 PM  
The Dem's really need to start privately letting the Republicans know that if this passes it's open season with Emergencies with the next Dem president.
 
2019-03-03 04:24:55 PM  
But for a shiatty SCOTUS decision that lets Trump veto it, we would actually have a useful check on this abuse of power.
 
2019-03-03 04:25:27 PM  
This is pure Capitol Hill BS.  You know full well that the Republican senators are voting primarily after weighing what affect the vote will have on the chances of reelection. First, they know Trump can veto this so it's not like a vote in favor will really make a difference. And, I guarantee those who fear a primary challenge will vote against while those who fear more a challenge by a Democrat, or have no reelection concern, will possibly vote in favor. Of course, Democrats would probably be making the same calculations if the shoe were on the other foot.
 
2019-03-03 04:26:39 PM  

RedGorontius: Not a fan of Rand.

But a crack in the Republican front would be nice to see at this point, even if it is just posturing.


Rand postures so much he can walk with a book balanced on his head while riding in a runaway bus with broken suspension hurtling down a decrepit mountain road.
 
2019-03-03 04:26:40 PM  

toraque: I would bet the Trumpers aren't worrying too much.

McConnell will just slither up to Collins and she'll hem and haw and look concerned and then do whatever the hell the GOP tells her to, because party over country.


Yep. This. Collins and Murkowski and Paul will find some excuse to keep swinging from goppernutz.
 
2019-03-03 04:27:15 PM  

farking heck: VanillaEnvelope: veale728: Sooo we're assuming Manchin won't roll over for the GOP again?

Manchin has never rolled over for the GOP. He's a gifted politician and an asset to the party. He'll vote in a way that plays well in WV when it doesn't matter, but when it does he always goes the party line.

Tell me, when has he been the deciding vote against Democratic priorities?

Eh. I can't speak for everyone in this shiathole, but at least from my own observations, Manchin seems disliked by both parties here. I think at this point he only wins elections based on name recognition (and because I think if a Republican ever won his seat, the ghost of Senator Byrd would beat them to death with his cane, and fate doesn't like me enough to give me that kind of entertainment).

The Dems hate him because he's seen as a DINO, and the Republicans hate him because he doesn't vote 100% with them. Both parties see him as untrustworthy. I'm not opposed to bipartisanship in theory, but when one party advocates putting kids in cages and is all but officially endorsed by every neo-nazi in the country, I really don't care if they might come up with a not-as-stupid-as-usual idea. Do not engage with them. Ever. For any reason.


The only thing that matters is who Manchin would vote for when nominating a speaker in a 50/50 split Senate.

That's it.

/the same as Bernie or Angus King
 
2019-03-03 04:27:23 PM  

runwiz: This is pure Capitol Hill BS.  You know full well that the Republican senators are voting primarily after weighing what affect the vote will have on the chances of reelection. First, they know Trump can veto this so it's not like a vote in favor will really make a difference. And, I guarantee those who fear a primary challenge will vote against while those who fear more a challenge by a Democrat, or have no reelection concern, will possibly vote in favor. Of course, Democrats would probably be making the same calculations if the shoe were on the other foot.


It's almost like they are ... what's the word .. wait a second ... starts with a p ... politicians!

/gasp
 
2019-03-03 04:27:32 PM  

ColonelCathcart: farking heck: VanillaEnvelope: veale728: Sooo we're assuming Manchin won't roll over for the GOP again?

Manchin has never rolled over for the GOP. He's a gifted politician and an asset to the party. He'll vote in a way that plays well in WV when it doesn't matter, but when it does he always goes the party line.

Tell me, when has he been the deciding vote against Democratic priorities?

Eh. I can't speak for everyone in this shiathole, but at least from my own observations, Manchin seems disliked by both parties here. I think at this point he only wins elections based on name recognition (and because I think if a Republican ever won his seat, the ghost of Senator Byrd would beat them to death with his cane, and fate doesn't like me enough to give me that kind of entertainment).

The Dems hate him because he's seen as a DINO, and the Republicans hate him because he doesn't vote 100% with them. Both parties see him as untrustworthy. I'm not opposed to bipartisanship in theory, but when one party advocates putting kids in cages and is all but officially endorsed by every neo-nazi in the country, I really don't care if they might come up with a not-as-stupid-as-usual idea. Do not engage with them. Ever. For any reason.

The only thing that matters is who Manchin would vote for when nominating a speaker in a 50/50 split Senate.

That's it.

/the same as Bernie or Angus King


*majority leader
 
2019-03-03 04:27:47 PM  
Right.
 
2019-03-03 04:29:10 PM  

wandererobtm101: sinner4ever: It doesn't matter as long as they can't break the veto so who cares.

It puts them on the record one way or another and that matters.


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2019-03-03 04:29:46 PM  

BMFPitt: But for a shiatty SCOTUS decision that lets Trump veto it, we would actually have a useful check on this abuse of power.


Veto power is a fundamental part of the constitution. No SCOTUS decision gave that to him.
 
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