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(Salt Lake Tribune)   BYU police get caught stealing records from private county police database to hand over to the school to punish sexual assault victims and possibly get them expelled   (sltrib.com) divider line
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2019-02-28 10:24:37 PM  
Religion sure attracts a lot of evil people.
 
2019-02-28 10:28:13 PM  

edmo: Religion sure attracts a lot of evil people.


Or is almost as if it were some sort of evil cult.
 
2019-02-28 11:51:00 PM  
...passed on that information to university officials - including those working in the Honor Code Office.

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2019-03-01 12:44:46 AM  
What the everloving f*ck is wrong with these people?
 
2019-03-01 01:11:41 AM  
It is common for institutions to use their campus police to also serve as security and enforce institutional policies," he said, "but use of police access to effectively spy on students to enforce non-criminal codes of conduct in this manner is unconscionable. In so doing here, a private entity would be using the power of the state to effect their own religious rules, something with potentially significant ramifications."

you don't say.

Rape victims raped twice. Once by the rapist..once by the system. Why don't people get put in JAIL for this shiat?
 
2019-03-01 02:38:40 AM  
How did they know which records would have what in them? It's almost like someone told them "get me something I can smear Mary Jane Poodlehoof with before she goes public".

Ah, implications.
 
2019-03-01 02:41:21 AM  

Kirablue42: It is common for institutions to use their campus police to also serve as security and enforce institutional policies," he said, "but use of police access to effectively spy on students to enforce non-criminal codes of conduct in this manner is unconscionable. In so doing here, a private entity would be using the power of the state to effect their own religious rules, something with potentially significant ramifications."

you don't say.

Rape victims raped twice. Once by the rapist..once by the system. Why don't people get put in JAIL for this shiat?


Because the judge and prosecutors are Mormons too.
 
2019-03-01 02:47:44 AM  
Let's summarize the adolescent Mormon male:

Pros: willing to spent years across the planet for Jebus.

Cons: Your Jebus likes rape.

Conclusion: go to countries where rape is okay if you're a white guy.

Prophet?
 
2019-03-01 02:49:19 AM  
Nanidafuq?
 
2019-03-01 02:55:34 AM  

edmo: Religion sure attracts a lot of evil people.


Well, if God is on your side it gives you a free pass on anything ethical and honest.
Do you have a problem with that?
 
2019-03-01 02:55:44 AM  

G-Ride: What the everloving f*ck is wrong with these people?


They believe God justifies everything they do.
 
2019-03-01 02:55:58 AM  
It might just be my insomnia, but I don't see where TFA specifically says the university used the police reports to go after a sexual assault victim, merely that the "Honor Code Office" requested the files.  Perhaps Subby is more familiar with the case and knows more than TFA does?  Or am I just missing it?
 
2019-03-01 03:10:49 AM  
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He should face prosecution for this shiat.
 
2019-03-01 03:32:57 AM  
For two years, a Brigham Young University

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2019-03-01 03:33:00 AM  

wxboy: It might just be my insomnia, but I don't see where TFA specifically says the university used the police reports to go after a sexual assault victim, merely that the "Honor Code Office" requested the files.  Perhaps Subby is more familiar with the case and knows more than TFA does?  Or am I just missing it?


That article is just the latest update to an ongoing story; chasing a couple of links got me to this story: BYU students say victims of sexual assault are targeted by Honor Code. The first paragraph summarizes it: "Brigham Young University students who are victims of sex crimes say they are investigated by the school and sometimes disciplined after reporting their abuse, a consequence that critics say silences victims and emboldens offenders."
 
2019-03-01 03:43:26 AM  
And Nephi did say "Seek out those who enforce the laws for knowledge of the woman accusing your brother of unbecoming conduct in order to shame her."
 
2019-03-01 03:44:31 AM  
As a cop, if this is true I think they should be decertified. Also, why in the pez is a private, non government institution running a police department? Fark that noise.
 
2019-03-01 03:48:39 AM  

SaintAnky: As a cop, if this is true I think they should be decertified. Also, why in the pez is a private, non government institution running a police department? Fark that noise.


Because this is Utah, and BYU is an arm of the LDS Church.
 
2019-03-01 04:13:20 AM  

SaintAnky: As a cop, if this is true I think they should be decertified. Also, why in the pez is a private, non government institution running a police department? Fark that noise.


As far as I can tell, it's fairly common for larger universities to have their campus police departments certified as actual law enforcement.  My grad school had one of these, and they supposedly had the same responsibilities and duties as the normal city police.
 
2019-03-01 04:37:08 AM  

NephilimNexus: For two years, a Brigham Young University

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2019-03-01 05:01:32 AM  

Skail: SaintAnky: As a cop, if this is true I think they should be decertified. Also, why in the pez is a private, non government institution running a police department? Fark that noise.

As far as I can tell, it's fairly common for larger universities to have their campus police departments certified as actual law enforcement.  My grad school had one of these, and they supposedly had the same responsibilities and duties as the normal city police.


This.
Pretty much any college campus has their own police dept.  Depending on their level of certification, they can have all of the same powers that local/state police depts have.
 
2019-03-01 05:06:41 AM  
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2019-03-01 05:27:28 AM  

Speaker to Lampposts: wxboy: It might just be my insomnia, but I don't see where TFA specifically says the university used the police reports to go after a sexual assault victim, merely that the "Honor Code Office" requested the files.  Perhaps Subby is more familiar with the case and knows more than TFA does?  Or am I just missing it?

That article is just the latest update to an ongoing story; chasing a couple of links got me to this story: BYU students say victims of sexual assault are targeted by Honor Code. The first paragraph summarizes it: "Brigham Young University students who are victims of sex crimes say they are investigated by the school and sometimes disciplined after reporting their abuse, a consequence that critics say silences victims and emboldens offenders."


Thanks.  That did provide some background on the situation.
 
2019-03-01 05:41:33 AM  
If you go to a Mormon school you should expect stupid shiat to happen to you. And you're stupid too.
 
2019-03-01 05:48:38 AM  
Ah, religion.

Is there no act or policy too evil for it to justify doing in the name of God?

My bet is on No.
 
2019-03-01 05:51:03 AM  
Dum dum dum dum dum da dum.
 
2019-03-01 05:56:15 AM  
How is this not having the students screaming Sharia Law with their Honor Code bullshiat.

Jesus.
 
2019-03-01 06:04:19 AM  

Shirley Ujest: How is this not having the students screaming Sharia Law with their Honor Code bullshiat.

Jesus.


Because they've been brainwashed since birth.
 
2019-03-01 06:04:48 AM  
Hang 'em high.
 
2019-03-01 06:05:57 AM  
There's evil and there's evil and then there's this.

What inspires these folk? The spark which ignites is something which I cannot comprehend. The end result, the burnt remains, that I understand.
 
2019-03-01 06:08:30 AM  

casual disregard: There's evil and there's evil and then there's this.

What inspires these folk? The spark which ignites is something which I cannot comprehend. The end result, the burnt remains, that I understand.


this.

Don't forget as well, because I'm a godless liberal, these religious assholes suppressing sexual assault claims think they're better than me.

I'd have said us, but for all I know you believe in god.
 
2019-03-01 06:19:22 AM  
I love the secularity of this country. This morning on the the train I overheard someone talking about someone they knew.

"The religion thing is starting to become annoying. She keeps saying 'I don't understand why people don't believe'. And then I say but in exactly the same way we don't understand why you do believe. And then she'll say 'but god's real!'. And then I just start thinking that she's mentally ill."
 
2019-03-01 06:28:44 AM  

Lady J: casual disregard: There's evil and there's evil and then there's this.

What inspires these folk? The spark which ignites is something which I cannot comprehend. The end result, the burnt remains, that I understand.

this.

Don't forget as well, because I'm a godless liberal, these religious assholes suppressing sexual assault claims think they're better than me.

I'd have said us, but for all I know you believe in god.


Sometimes I entertain a wish that the Elder Gods existed. And that one of their half-corpse beings would fall on my little body and I would absorb all of its gravity.

On the whole I try not to engage in wishful thinking.
 
2019-03-01 06:38:05 AM  
And people wonder why women are often afraid to report sexual assault.

Also, this in a nut shell is why you never want Mormons in charge of the government. Sorry Mormons, it's just true.
 
2019-03-01 06:56:24 AM  

jmr61: If you go to a Mormon school you should expect stupid shiat to happen to you. And you're stupid too.


F*ck you.  No one deserves to be sexually assaulted and then harassed for it.
 
2019-03-01 06:57:45 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: And people wonder why women are often afraid to report sexual assault.

Also, this in a nut shell is why you never want Mormons in charge of the government. Sorry Mormons, it's just true.


My grandfather is a respected member of the LDS church. I'm likely to be excommunicated after he dies. Not surprised in the slightest considering some of the comments he's made.

/shudders
//one of the reasons why the Kavanaugh hearing was so hard to take; family members' comments. . .
 
2019-03-01 06:58:12 AM  
My respect for Mormons remains unchanged.

/I used to think they were relatively harmless
//I was wrong
 
2019-03-01 07:11:16 AM  

SaintAnky: As a cop, if this is true I think they should be decertified. Also, why in the pez is a private, non government institution running a police department? Fark that noise.


Theoretically, it makes them less cowboy about things.

A few amusement parks have real internal PDs.
 
2019-03-01 07:33:36 AM  
This must be that Small Government that conservatives are always crowing about.
 
2019-03-01 07:39:51 AM  
Good.  Then they can go to a school that isn't insane.
 
2019-03-01 07:45:44 AM  
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2019-03-01 07:50:15 AM  
Decertify the police?

Fark that. These 19th-century troglodytes were using their cops to spy on female students. So that they could then initiate 'Honor Code proceedings' against rape victims. Then - because none of this goes far enough - they hid behind the specious and disingenuous argument that Title IX required all of the above.

Decertify the farking school and have done. No student grants, no research grants, no athletic funds, no nothin. Fark  BYU
 
2019-03-01 07:53:59 AM  
The Honor Code at BYU is a set of administrative rules that forbids alcohol and *coffee*, restricts contact between male and female students, imposes a strict dress code, and bans expressions of romantic affection between people of the same gender.

BYU is worse than Saudi Arabia:

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2019-03-01 07:54:35 AM  
That's farked up. But it's what I expect of a cop, of someone from Utah, of mormons. It's just a whole stew of deplorable. I'm sure they'll comfort themselves with a new Punisher sticker though after their paid vacation.
 
2019-03-01 07:59:46 AM  
To the religious mind, women get raped because they're acting whores and sluts. And whores and sluts must be punished.
 
2019-03-01 08:04:35 AM  
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2019-03-01 08:07:51 AM  
The parallels with the most-feared Saudi religious police enforcing Sharia law and Mormons enlisting the state's law enforcement in enforcing an "honor code" are inescapable.
But anything goes when you need to defend rapists who are on the football team.
 
2019-03-01 08:09:23 AM  

JAYoung: The parallels with the most-feared Saudi religious police enforcing Sharia law and Mormons enlisting the state's law enforcement in enforcing an "honor code" are inescapable.
But anything goes when you need to defend rapists who are on the football team.


Unless they're black, on the basketball team, and in a consensual relationship with a person of the opposite gender (you know, like John Smith wanted...mostly)

https://abc7.com/archive/7993990/

Bonus FTFA: "Obviously our thoughts and prayers are with Brandon," said Charles Abouo, another teammate.
 
2019-03-01 08:17:47 AM  
I thought the magic underwear was supposed to prevent that.
 
2019-03-01 08:27:55 AM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: These 19th-century troglodytes were using their cops to spy on female students.


That is fully consistent with typical law enforcement behavior.
 
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