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2019-02-25 06:30:45 AM  
I wish people would stop confusing nursing home care and assisted living. If you need a nursing home, it is because you need hands-on help with some or all of your ADL's (Activities of Daily Living) - dressing, toileting, feeding, bathing, ambulating. No cruise ship purser or hotel room service employee is going to consider putting you on the toilet, wiping your ass, putting your socks and shoes on or shaving you to be part of their routine duties. If you can do your own personal care but need someone to cook, clean and do your laundry - that is not nursing home care. That is assisted living, and of course you have options.
 
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2019-02-25 06:39:12 AM  
This.

And when Grandpa starts pissing the bed or yelling at the guy next door, things will change fast.
 
2019-02-25 07:06:16 AM  
But when you hit the call button at 3am they might bring you an extra pillow, not an ambulance.
 
2019-02-25 07:12:35 AM  

Biscuit Tin: I wish people would stop confusing nursing home care and assisted living. If you need a nursing home, it is because you need hands-on help with some or all of your ADL's (Activities of Daily Living) - dressing, toileting, feeding, bathing, ambulating. No cruise ship purser or hotel room service employee is going to consider putting you on the toilet, wiping your ass, putting your socks and shoes on or shaving you to be part of their routine duties. If you can do your own personal care but need someone to cook, clean and do your laundry - that is not nursing home care. That is assisted living, and of course you have options.


And in many places those are the same.. Actually broken into 4.. A retirement center, memory unit, and the assisted living side.. and the medical unit.

and those bastards have now decided that... say you need some sort of care on the medical unit, you have to pay for that room, minimum a week at a time..AND YOU HAVE to pay for the room on the retirement unit as well.... because that room is going to be leased to someone else if your person is not in there .. So 5k a week for the medical unit and 1k a week for the residential unit, or they throw grandma's shiat out in the street because she broke her hand and needed to be in the medical unit because she was  a fall risk.

Screw that noise... my family already has agreements about my parents and myself. I won't be that kind of financial burden on those I love.
 
2019-02-25 07:16:24 AM  
Ah, ain't American health and elderly care awesome?
 
2019-02-25 07:32:54 AM  
GTL is the way to do this.
 
2019-02-25 07:36:01 AM  

pueblonative: Ah, ain't American health and elderly care awesome?


Hey!  Single payer would be a cruel burden on the wealthy.  Also, I heard a rumor that socialism leads to health care rationing, and poor results.  Just look at the UK!  Sweden!  France! Burning hell holes with runaway medical costs leaving citizens in bankruptcy court.  Wait, what?
 
2019-02-25 07:41:31 AM  
the wife and I have talked about doing just this as we get older and the kids move out.  it's more expensive than a mortgage, but remove all the other bills, heat cable internet water and it probably works out ok.  the only issue is you can get shiatty neighbors all the time.
 
2019-02-25 07:41:42 AM  

Biscuit Tin: I wish people would stop confusing nursing home care and assisted living. If you need a nursing home, it is because you need hands-on help with some or all of your ADL's (Activities of Daily Living) - dressing, toileting, feeding, bathing, ambulating. No cruise ship purser or hotel room service employee is going to consider putting you on the toilet, wiping your ass, putting your socks and shoes on or shaving you to be part of their routine duties.


Over here that's Personal Care. Nursing Care is medical stuff requiring a qualified nurse, like catheters.
 
2019-02-25 07:41:57 AM  
Has anyone considered death panels yet?
 
2019-02-25 07:44:38 AM  

goodncold: Has anyone considered death panels yet?


don't you mean 'freedom' panels?
 
2019-02-25 07:44:54 AM  
If he planned much at all, his house would be paid for and he can stay there for maintenance and taxes.  He could buy dope and boner pills, the occasional courtesan, and have his groceries delivered.  No dealing with tourists, privacy.
 
2019-02-25 07:45:18 AM  

Salmon: GTL is the way to do this.


Gym, tan, laundry? Get the lawyers?

I have questions.
 
2019-02-25 07:45:59 AM  
And another benefit is that if his girl starts acting up, then he can take her friend.
 
2019-02-25 07:47:57 AM  
I remember seeing an article some time ago about old people that basically do this but live on cruise ships. It's the same or less cost than a home, food and everything is included (and probably better) in the price, they get to travel, there are things to do and there's a doctor.

Thought it was actually a pretty good idea.
 
2019-02-25 07:54:28 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Biscuit Tin: I wish people would stop confusing nursing home care and assisted living. If you need a nursing home, it is because you need hands-on help with some or all of your ADL's (Activities of Daily Living) - dressing, toileting, feeding, bathing, ambulating. No cruise ship purser or hotel room service employee is going to consider putting you on the toilet, wiping your ass, putting your socks and shoes on or shaving you to be part of their routine duties. If you can do your own personal care but need someone to cook, clean and do your laundry - that is not nursing home care. That is assisted living, and of course you have options.

And in many places those are the same.. Actually broken into 4.. A retirement center, memory unit, and the assisted living side.. and the medical unit.

and those bastards have now decided that... say you need some sort of care on the medical unit, you have to pay for that room, minimum a week at a time..AND YOU HAVE to pay for the room on the retirement unit as well.... because that room is going to be leased to someone else if your person is not in there .. So 5k a week for the medical unit and 1k a week for the residential unit, or they throw grandma's shiat out in the street because she broke her hand and needed to be in the medical unit because she was  a fall risk.

Screw that noise... my family already has agreements about my parents and myself. I won't be that kind of financial burden on those I love.


Put me on the stretcher out back in the shed. Change the IV fluids and make sure the VR implants haven't crashed out.
 
2019-02-25 07:55:39 AM  

blodyholy: Salmon: GTL is the way to do this.

Gym, tan, laundry? Get the lawyers?

I have questions.


Gas to Liquids?
 
2019-02-25 07:56:26 AM  

abhorrent1: I remember seeing an article some time ago about old people that basically do this but live on cruise ships. It's the same or less cost than a home, food and everything is included (and probably better) in the price, they get to travel, there are things to do and there's a doctor.

Thought it was actually a pretty good idea.


I can think of one more benefit to this....

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2019-02-25 07:56:57 AM  
Hate to put a bummer on things, but just this weekend I went to check out an assisted living center for my folks. Right off the bat they want $6k per month.

And the rooms are small, like closets. No space whatsoever. I get it, most of that cost is for medical but at least give the residents more then a closet to live in.
 
2019-02-25 08:02:42 AM  

steklo: Hate to put a bummer on things, but just this weekend I went to check out an assisted living center for my folks. Right off the bat they want $6k per month.

And the rooms are small, like closets. No space whatsoever. I get it, most of that cost is for medical but at least give the residents more then a closet to live in.


Ouch!  I had my grandmother in the nursing home at just $5k.

Right now I have gradfather in his home with people looking after him.  He refuses to leave or come live with me.  Anyway... its $20 an hour AND good luck finding someone else to come in when someone calls in sick.  :/
 
2019-02-25 08:06:01 AM  
I guess with climate change the ice flow option isn't what it used to be.
 
2019-02-25 08:10:56 AM  
I'm not going to have any kids or anything when I get old to worry about. I'm thinking of getting a cabin somewhere up north and just making it as homely as possible and dying there. Better to be some place I want to be than in a home with other old people screaming for their relatives to come visit or get them. I spent a lot of time at nursing homes visiting my grandmother and great aunt regularly. I really don't want to be in one when I get older no matter how bad I get.
 
2019-02-25 08:12:47 AM  
It's also cheaper to perform major surgery on yourself instead of going to the hospital. Maybe they should try that when they need it.
 
2019-02-25 08:13:53 AM  
TFA: "He also pointed out that the Holiday Inn has locations all over the country, so if you get bored, you can always move to another city."
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2019-02-25 08:16:21 AM  

Nimbull: I'm not going to have any kids or anything when I get old to worry about. I'm thinking of getting a cabin somewhere up north and just making it as homely as possible and dying there. Better to be some place I want to be than in a home with other old people screaming for their relatives to come visit or get them. I spent a lot of time at nursing homes visiting my grandmother and great aunt regularly. I really don't want to be in one when I get older no matter how bad I get.


With broadband at least, I hope. No use in slumming in your twilight years.
 
2019-02-25 08:19:26 AM  
It was $200 a day for memory care, which my dad called a hotel. At least up until the last week, when he went comatose.
 
2019-02-25 08:21:49 AM  

Shadow Blasko: and those bastards have now decided that... say you need some sort of care on the medical unit, you have to pay for that room, minimum a week at a time..AND YOU HAVE to pay for the room on the retirement unit as well.... because that room is going to be leased to someone else if your person is not in there


How is that not fair?

If you get moved temporarily to a different part of the facility, they can't simply just put someone in that room in your place for a week or two weeks, then kick them out once you return.  In effect, you're occupying two rooms at once.   A nursing home or whatever is, unless it's run by the government, is a business that must at least make its operating costs in order to continue to provide a service.

I'm sorry, but that's the reality.
 
2019-02-25 08:24:59 AM  

Izo: This.

And when Grandpa starts pissing the bed or yelling at the guy next door, things will change fast.


That's actually another plus.  Family might be hesitant to put someone in an actual nursing home.  Hotel staff won't bat an eye.
 
2019-02-25 08:27:33 AM  

cowgirl toffee: Right now I have gradfather in his home with people looking after him. He refuses to leave or come live with me.


I've a similar situation. My parents currently can take care of themselves but they are getting older and need more and more help. It would help if they would move in with me, we have plenty of room for them. (full finished/separate entrance basement apt). there's no way they can afford the $6k per month.
 
2019-02-25 08:28:29 AM  

Salmon: Nimbull: I'm not going to have any kids or anything when I get old to worry about. I'm thinking of getting a cabin somewhere up north and just making it as homely as possible and dying there. Better to be some place I want to be than in a home with other old people screaming for their relatives to come visit or get them. I spent a lot of time at nursing homes visiting my grandmother and great aunt regularly. I really don't want to be in one when I get older no matter how bad I get.

With broadband at least, I hope. No use in slumming in your twilight years.


I'm not sure the Internet will be all that important during those years. With media players, terabyte hard drives, and a sizable collection of DVDs and BluRays ripped over the years I have my own TV station of sorts sitting under the TV set with movies, shows, etc. Best of all I'm not getting charged a monthly fee for them to serve me advertisements. No need for things like Netflix and the fees it requires.

Same goes for games, I can load up and not bother to be online like I was back in the 80's.
 
2019-02-25 08:38:09 AM  
It's pretty cynical, but this is when being active in a church comes in real handy.  You can get lots of volunteers to help in all kinds of ways and most of them also know the ins and outs of all the facilities around.  Then when it's your turn, you have all this knowledge to pass on, or if you've been really helpful, some agencies will help you even more.  Things like the Council on Aging or Meals on Wheels.  If they know you personally, they are very helpful.
 
2019-02-25 08:41:22 AM  
Assured living can be shockingly expensive. My father is 86 years old and while he is still mentally ok, he is having more and more issues with daily care. He is in congestive heart failure and stage 4 kidney failure requiring dialysis 3 times a week. Some hospice groups will come in and help with things through Medicare, but since he is in dialysis, this is considered "life extending" treatment (umm, yeah cause he will die without it) so he can't use them for services. Which means the actual assisted living facility has to provide it. His Total bill is over $4000 a month!!!!!  And he has no savings, no stock or additional income, just Social Security, a VA pension (which he thankfully qualified for) and two very small pensions (less than $300/month total). He's a died in the wool republican and trumper literally being kept alive because of socialism. He is in a decent/older but NOT fancy facility.  And the costs go up every year!!!  We are up to supplementing him by about $500 a month.

I had no idea he pissed away everything after my mom died. I would recommend everyone question your parents as they get older about what their financial plans and money situation are for retiring, especially if it looks like they are going to need a lot is assistance. It's killing us. We are going to have to look into a VA facility because we just can't afford to keep paying his way!!!
 
2019-02-25 08:42:06 AM  
RV for me. But that free breakfast sure is tempting.
 
2019-02-25 08:42:19 AM  
The $5-6k/month is for private nursing homes.  If you are destitute you can get one for free using Medicare/Medicaid.

//You reeeeally don't want the Medicare/Medicaid homes, at least most of them. They are the ones that you open the door and gag.
 
2019-02-25 08:45:18 AM  
$285 a day for my grandpa's state-run medical care facility. He could pay it for about six months, went broke, and is now on Medicaid.
 
2019-02-25 08:46:20 AM  

Nimbull: I'm not going to have any kids or anything when I get old to worry about. I'm thinking of getting a cabin somewhere up north and just making it as homely as possible and dying there. Better to be some place I want to be than in a home with other old people screaming for their relatives to come visit or get them. I spent a lot of time at nursing homes visiting my grandmother and great aunt regularly. I really don't want to be in one when I get older no matter how bad I get.


they'll find you like this?
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2019-02-25 08:52:10 AM  

SirBarsalot: RV for me. But that free breakfast sure is tempting.


they'll find you like this?
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2019-02-25 08:55:33 AM  
Lived in a HI for 6 months once. After 30 days, no more tourist taxes, as you are considered a resident. Racked up major loyalty points; which I have used quite a bit; to include a 3 Day Weekend at Crowne Plaza Acapulco.

Those free breakfasts wear pretty thin after a few weeks!
 
2019-02-25 08:57:05 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Screw that noise... my family already has agreements about my parents and myself. I won't be that kind of financial burden on those I love.


My parents won't be that kind of financial burden either.

/I should really let them know at some point
 
2019-02-25 08:58:31 AM  

dittybopper: Shadow Blasko: and those bastards have now decided that... say you need some sort of care on the medical unit, you have to pay for that room, minimum a week at a time..AND YOU HAVE to pay for the room on the retirement unit as well.... because that room is going to be leased to someone else if your person is not in there

How is that not fair?

If you get moved temporarily to a different part of the facility, they can't simply just put someone in that room in your place for a week or two weeks, then kick them out once you return.  In effect, you're occupying two rooms at once.   A nursing home or whatever is, unless it's run by the government, is a business that must at least make its operating costs in order to continue to provide a service.

I'm sorry, but that's the reality.


I'm gonna update your farky to include "never misses an opportunity to be an uncaring asshole"
 
2019-02-25 09:05:01 AM  

Nimbull: I'm not going to have any kids or anything when I get old to worry about. I'm thinking of getting a cabin somewhere up north and just making it as homely as possible and dying there. Better to be some place I want to be than in a home with other old people screaming for their relatives to come visit or get them. I spent a lot of time at nursing homes visiting my grandmother and great aunt regularly. I really don't want to be in one when I get older no matter how bad I get.


Would that fate would allow that.  Arthritis, cancer, a broken hip, Alzheimer's or just general frailty - we're more likely to end up with some degenerative condition where we can't take care of ourselves.  So unless you don't mind dying a slow agonizing death from dehydration in a bed covered in your own feces, you're going to need someone to care for you.  By the time decide to end it all yourself, you'll probably be too weak to pull the trigger.

Happy Monday everyone!
 
2019-02-25 09:05:22 AM  
 
2019-02-25 09:05:53 AM  

aggievet92: Assured living can be shockingly expensive. My father is 86 years old and while he is still mentally ok, he is having more and more issues with daily care. He is in congestive heart failure and stage 4 kidney failure requiring dialysis 3 times a week. Some hospice groups will come in and help with things through Medicare, but since he is in dialysis, this is considered "life extending" treatment (umm, yeah cause he will die without it) so he can't use them for services. Which means the actual assisted living facility has to provide it. His Total bill is over $4000 a month!!!!!  And he has no savings, no stock or additional income, just Social Security, a VA pension (which he thankfully qualified for) and two very small pensions (less than $300/month total). He's a died in the wool republican and trumper literally being kept alive because of socialism. He is in a decent/older but NOT fancy facility.  And the costs go up every year!!!  We are up to supplementing him by about $500 a month.

I had no idea he pissed away everything after my mom died. I would recommend everyone question your parents as they get older about what their financial plans and money situation are for retiring, especially if it looks like they are going to need a lot is assistance. It's killing us. We are going to have to look into a VA facility because we just can't afford to keep paying his way!!!


There's retiring - reaching the end of work and going back on "me time" for that permanent vacation feel - and then there's planning your way to the end of this mortal coil.

Most people don't do the former all that well. Very few want to consider the latter, even after the loss of close loved ones. That's why decisions like this fall to family care-givers so  often.

Which, to me, feels like a heinous burden to inflict on someone else.
 
2019-02-25 09:06:04 AM  

Shadow Blasko: and those bastards have now decided that... say you need some sort of care on the medical unit, you have to pay for that room, minimum a week at a time..AND YOU HAVE to pay for the room on the retirement unit as well.... because that room is going to be leased to someone else if your person is not in there .. So 5k a week for the medical unit and 1k a week for the residential unit, or they throw grandma's shiat out in the street because she broke her hand and needed to be in the medical unit because she was  a fall risk.


Huh?  If you rent an apartment and go on vacation for a week, you still have to keep paying rent for your apartment.

It's no different if you're in assisted living.  If you rent an assisted living room and have to go to the hospital or a different unit, if you want your stuff to stay in your old room, then you have to pay for both places.

Before my grandmother passed, we went through this exercise a bunch of times.  She was in assisted living, then hospitalized, then had to have skilled nursing after the hospital stay for a month before could go back to assisted living.  So if we didn't want to have to keep paying for her assisted living room, we had to pack up her stuff and move it to her nursing home room (or to my dad's garage).  Then, once nursing was ready to discharge her, we had to pray that there was an assisted living place with a bed somewhere nearby.
 
2019-02-25 09:07:13 AM  

SirBarsalot: RV for me. But that free breakfast sure is tempting.


Just pull up and get your free breakfast cowboy. No need to actually stay there. If I ever end up homeless, that's my plan. A giant free breakfast to get me through the day. Just don't go back to same hotel too often.
 
2019-02-25 09:08:48 AM  
I think I'll take up smoking and eating more bacon. Die earlier and happier.
 
2019-02-25 09:10:31 AM  

aggievet92: Assured living can be shockingly expensive. My father is 86 years old and while he is still mentally ok, he is having more and more issues with daily care. He is in congestive heart failure and stage 4 kidney failure requiring dialysis 3 times a week. Some hospice groups will come in and help with things through Medicare, but since he is in dialysis, this is considered "life extending" treatment (umm, yeah cause he will die without it) so he can't use them for services. Which means the actual assisted living facility has to provide it. His Total bill is over $4000 a month!!!!!  And he has no savings, no stock or additional income, just Social Security, a VA pension (which he thankfully qualified for) and two very small pensions (less than $300/month total). He's a died in the wool republican and trumper literally being kept alive because of socialism. He is in a decent/older but NOT fancy facility.  And the costs go up every year!!!  We are up to supplementing him by about $500 a month.

I had no idea he pissed away everything after my mom died. I would recommend everyone question your parents as they get older about what their financial plans and money situation are for retiring, especially if it looks like they are going to need a lot is assistance. It's killing us. We are going to have to look into a VA facility because we just can't afford to keep paying his way!!!


Yeah, no. Pensions are not really a socialist thing in this country. I'm pretty sure they were popularized by evil capitalist companies early in the twentieth century. Your orange cheeto dad is being kept alive by capitalism.
 
2019-02-25 09:12:29 AM  

Gubbo: dittybopper: Shadow Blasko: and those bastards have now decided that... say you need some sort of care on the medical unit, you have to pay for that room, minimum a week at a time..AND YOU HAVE to pay for the room on the retirement unit as well.... because that room is going to be leased to someone else if your person is not in there

How is that not fair?

If you get moved temporarily to a different part of the facility, they can't simply just put someone in that room in your place for a week or two weeks, then kick them out once you return.  In effect, you're occupying two rooms at once.   A nursing home or whatever is, unless it's run by the government, is a business that must at least make its operating costs in order to continue to provide a service.

I'm sorry, but that's the reality.

I'm gonna update your farky to include "never misses an opportunity to be an uncaring asshole"


He's not wrong.  If you lease an apartment, there's no discount if you're on business travel most of the time
 
2019-02-25 09:14:59 AM  
I really hope there's an implant I can get by the time I reach those "golden years" - every two weeks it sends a text or some other sufficiently cool high tech solution (glowing keypad implanted in your arm) - you basically have two weeks to input a code or it releases enough opioids to put down an elephant from the implant.

Two weeks is about the longest I'd want to sit around as a shell of a human being hoping they can figure out what's wrong to return to a normal quality of life.  And lets face it, most of those the things that put you in long term care are NOT the kind of things you ever get better from.
 
2019-02-25 09:16:29 AM  

dittybopper: A nursing home or whatever is, unless it's run by the government, is a business that must at least make its operating costs in order to continue to provide a service.


You're making an excellent argument as to why we should abolish for-profit healthcare.

Seriously, ban for-profit hospitals, nursing homes ect.  Healthcare and profit motives are inherently a conflict of interest.

. . .I'll be honest, my parents, all my parents friends, and pretty much everyone I know utterly dreads the idea of going into a nursing home one day.  Hell, my mother has made it clear that if she's going to go "into a home" she'd rather go out with an "accidental medication overdose" and we'll find her one morning having taken way too much xanax.  She'd rather die than go into "a home".  My father?  Well, hunting accident or skydiving accident is more likely for him. . .he also would rather die than go into what's essentially a super-expensive deathwatch facility that serves only to drain your estate while you stay in a drug-induced haze waiting for death.  Both of my parents have said their friends of the same age all have similar plans. . .they've seen what it was like in those "care" facilities for their own parents, and would rather die than go into those places. . .because once you go in, you never come out, and your quality of life never improves, it just goes downhill steadily and before long you're in a drug-induced stupor getting neglected while your estate gets drained by huge bills. . .and then you're a shell of your former self and your kids get no inheritance.
 
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