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(The Atlantic)   A question for you chip-eating couch potato slackers: What's the optimal amount of leisure time?   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2019-02-23 08:07:02 AM  
Hunter-gatherers typically 'work' four to six hours a day.

/don't we wish?
 
2019-02-23 08:17:45 AM  
Yes.
 
2019-02-23 08:17:58 AM  
Human or geologic scale?
 
2019-02-23 08:19:02 AM  
Get with it hipsters. The proper term is "executive time".
 
2019-02-23 08:43:12 AM  
I've pegged the number at 168 hours per week.
 
2019-02-23 08:43:41 AM  
All of it.
 
2019-02-23 08:49:52 AM  
Fifteen more minutes.
 
2019-02-23 08:55:20 AM  
This week? About 4 hours

/The amount of time it took to binge Russian Doll
//It's been a long week at work.
 
2019-02-23 09:10:00 AM  
I like to work about 4 hours a day at a job.  Then I have yard work and gardening and animals to tend to.  Throw in a workout, some errands, some reading, and that's a good day.

The world is run by workaholics though. It's too bad we all can't set our own schedule or just work doing the things that matter to us and still make a living.
 
2019-02-23 09:22:51 AM  
I once got a C- in a class called Intro to Leisure. I believe I have it mastered.
 
2019-02-23 09:34:33 AM  

buttercat: I like to work about 4 hours a day at a job.  Then I have yard work and gardening and animals to tend to.  Throw in a workout, some errands, some reading, and that's a good day.

The world is run by workaholics though. It's too bad we all can't set our own schedule or just work doing the things that matter to us and still make a living.


Some of us get really lucky. I'm working for myself now, 100% from home. Hubs runs his own online business and we're able to piss off when we like. It took a lot of years to get to this place, but I can't complain. I never even minded hard work or long days, it was just the Corporate America culture that really started to drag me down. I think it's ridiculous to have (most) people working in offices. Remote is the way to go and I think you end up getting more done in less time.
 
2019-02-23 09:37:52 AM  
As a guy in the midst of a two-week stay-cation who has spent the past week in pajamas doing nothing but watching TV, stuffing my face, and smoking weed, with no plans to do anything different next week, I'll tell you; I'll let you know when I figure it out.
 
2019-02-23 09:49:26 AM  
None.  Get back to work, you slackers!
 
2019-02-23 10:03:08 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: None.  Get back to work, you slackers!


Get back to work, slacker  my SS ain't gonna pay itself.

Retired, divorced, grown kids.  So all of my time is leisure.
 
2019-02-23 10:16:36 AM  

Kegovitch: All of it.


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2019-02-23 10:18:03 AM  
All of it.
 
2019-02-23 10:39:22 AM  

Kegovitch: All of it.


came to say this. go way, baitin'
 
2019-02-23 11:14:59 AM  
Depends on if you have depression, in which case it can increase by many, many hours.
 
2019-02-23 11:22:41 AM  
I'm in couch potato mode
Raining since mrs h and I got here Thursday night now with flood warnings
It's supposed to stop tomorrow just in time to go home
I'm going with 3 days
 
2019-02-23 11:33:53 AM  
I'm so sick I can hardly breathe, I've gotten about three hours of sleep because of it, and I'm going to work today. I've had bronchitis all month and two days off. What is this "leisure" you speak of?

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/Can't wait for that windmill to land on my head.
 
2019-02-23 11:38:46 AM  

Drearyx: Depends on if you have depression, in which case it can increase by many, many hours.


You probably don't find your work fulfilling. Try working longer hours until you find the meaning in it. It's the American Dream.

/Because you have to be asleep to believe it.
 
2019-02-23 11:41:08 AM  

buttercat: I like to work about 4 hours a day at a job.  Then I have yard work and gardening and animals to tend to.  Throw in a workout, some errands, some reading, and that's a good day.
The world is run by workaholics though. It's too bad we all can't set our own schedule or just work doing the things that matter to us and still make a living.


You can. I do. And everybody around here thinks I'm a freak for my beliefs.
so more than likely, you don't have to balls to live like i do. It costs you a lot to break out of the system. But not as much as trying to keep up.
 
2019-02-23 12:16:52 PM  
A question for you chip-eating couch potato slackers: What's the optimal amount of leisure time?

Trump executive time ÷ 8 hours
 
2019-02-23 12:40:27 PM  

cryinoutloud: buttercat: I like to work about 4 hours a day at a job.  Then I have yard work and gardening and animals to tend to.  Throw in a workout, some errands, some reading, and that's a good day.
The world is run by workaholics though. It's too bad we all can't set our own schedule or just work doing the things that matter to us and still make a living.

You can. I do. And everybody around here thinks I'm a freak for my beliefs.
so more than likely, you don't have to balls to live like i do. It costs you a lot to break out of the system. But not as much as trying to keep up.


I was thinking more along the lines of Star Trek world for everyone, but ok.  Good talk.
 
2019-02-23 02:15:28 PM  
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2019-02-23 04:56:58 PM  

Kegovitch: All of it.

 
2019-02-23 05:50:24 PM  

LaChanz: Kegovitch: All of it.

 
2019-02-23 06:50:37 PM  
Have a good time all the time.
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Drummers for Spinal Tap may be short-lived, but they understand how to use what they've got.
 
2019-02-23 07:45:04 PM  
24/7.

If you can manage that, you have the optimal amount of liberty and money. They do tend to involve a trade-off though, so a job might be a good idea if both are not ample for your needs.

WARNING:  They lied:  Hard work has killed lots of people.

I have that on one of my Fridge magnets. My fridge door is very wise and good. Lots of cats, no Garfield. Mostly Kliban cats.
 
2019-02-23 09:14:36 PM  
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All of us, humans, Farkers, and SubGenii alike, are born with Original Slack. The Conspiracy starts stealing your Slack from the day you are born. They have most of the Slack you should have had by now, even if you didn't understand what it meant to have Original Slack. The less Slack there is, the easier it is for the Con to steal what's left of yours. [40yearsoflaborversuscapitalproductivi​tygains.jpg etc. etc. and so forth]

Differentiate between Slack and False Slack. False slack is just what it sounds like - week-long vacations where you spend two days getting groped by the TSA and sitting in a metal tube for two days, then spend five days spending as much money at every tourist trap as humanly possible, hitting every waypoint, posting every meal to Instagram, taking your approved pharmaceuticals (whether Xanax or ethanol or somewhere in between), whoring it up with cocaine and hookers, motivational speakers, video games, whatever you can buy without thinking. Nice illusion - but its purpose is to let you blow off steam - recharge just enough to get back to work and get you running faster on the hedonic treadmill.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yLLkW​M​DbC9ZNKbjDG/slack

Real Slack? Real Slack isn't about not giving a shiat, it's about giving a shiat freely. If you really want to see Michaelangelo's David, you're not "doing Europe," you're tolerating the TSA-groping and tube-sitting as part of your pilgramage. If you're really into getting groped and watching the world crawl by beneath you at Mach 0.8, maybe the flight part can be part of it too.

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Maybe you're a Rewardian, and eating chips on the couch is your Slack.

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Maybe you're an Emergentile, and spending hours working on a documentary is your Slack.

That's fine too. We are large; we contain multitudes.
 
2019-02-23 09:50:49 PM  

Drearyx: Depends on if you have depression, in which case it can increase by many, many hours.


I'm already in with "all of it" so hard to actually increase that.

Depression raises for me the question of what is the optimal amount of sleep time, which tends to increase proportionately to the level of depression. Depressives know well the effort required in forcing oneself up in the morning is exhausting enough to make one need to go to sleep again. Ultimately with depression just being conscious is something one wants to avoid as much as possible. Sleep is the penultimate relief, the other option is a permanent one.
 
2019-02-23 10:35:50 PM  

Sgygus: Hunter-gatherers typically 'work' four to six hours a day.

/don't we wish?


I call bullshiat on that factoid.

I think it only accounts for the time actually hunting or actually gathering.  I don't think it accounts for all the other work you have to do afterwards for thinks like making clothing, tools, weapons, shelter, etc.
 
2019-02-24 02:06:08 AM  

dittybopper: Sgygus: Hunter-gatherers typically 'work' four to six hours a day.

/don't we wish?

I call bullshiat on that factoid.

I think it only accounts for the time actually hunting or actually gathering.  I don't think it accounts for all the other work you have to do afterwards for thinks like making clothing, tools, weapons, shelter, etc.


I don't know, they seem to have a lot of time to hold their many different ceremonies, painting patterns on themselves, making adornments, consuming their local mind altering substances etc. They don't look all that busy all the time.
 
2019-02-24 04:19:20 PM  

buttercat: I like to work about 4 hours a day at a job.  Then I have yard work and gardening and animals to tend to.  Throw in a workout, some errands, some reading, and that's a good day.

The world is run by workaholics though. It's too bad we all can't set our own schedule or just work doing the things that matter to us and still make a living.


You can, but it won't happen in a world that looks like the one you are currently in.

The reason people today can even think about "working 4 hours a day" is because of the people that put in 12-14 hours a day. Not to mention the past generations that put in the time to build it in the first place...

It may be a cheesy tagline but Dirty Jobs is perfectly right when they say "they do the jobs that make life for the rest of us possible".
 
2019-02-24 05:19:22 PM  

Nidiot: dittybopper: Sgygus: Hunter-gatherers typically 'work' four to six hours a day.

/don't we wish?

I call bullshiat on that factoid.

I think it only accounts for the time actually hunting or actually gathering.  I don't think it accounts for all the other work you have to do afterwards for thinks like making clothing, tools, weapons, shelter, etc.

I don't know, they seem to have a lot of time to hold their many different ceremonies, painting patterns on themselves, making adornments, consuming their local mind altering substances etc. They don't look all that busy all the time.


That's because much of what they do is sitting around the fire.

Case in point:  Ishi, last of the Yahi Indians.  He was born into the hunter/gatherer lifestyle and lived it for about 50 years, but after just 3 years on his own he was on the verge of starvation.  There is just so much labor involved in living that lifestyle, at least in a temperate climate, that you need more than one person to do the work.

Also, a lot of the work as I said doesn't look much like work.   At least not to us.  Things like working sinew, drying meat, etc. don't look a lot like work.  But they are.
 
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