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(Reuters)   Microsoft employees want the company to drop its $480 million contract with the US Army   (reuters.com) divider line
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2019-02-22 10:39:43 PM  
94 Microsoft employees out of 135,000 signed a document saying war is bad.  Willing to bet there is at least 5,000 that would sign a document saying their religion is FSM.
 
2019-02-22 11:39:02 PM  
In other news 94 employees transfered to Microsoft Canada to develop deep cold capable computers
 
2019-02-23 12:15:53 AM  
As a friend of mine, a DOD employee, said to me, he fervently hopes this means WIN 10 is removed from everyone's PC.
 
2019-02-23 01:31:08 AM  
You took the job. You're welcome to leave.
 
2019-02-23 06:00:56 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: You took the job. You're welcome to leave.


Yeah guys, hold your breath until they do it, that'll teach 'em.
 
2019-02-23 06:37:10 AM  
I think if tech employees wanted to be defense contractors, they have gone to work for defense contractors.
 
2019-02-23 07:10:46 AM  

eurotrader: 94 Microsoft employees out of 135,000 signed a document saying war is bad.  Willing to bet there is at least 5,000 that would sign a document saying their religion is FSM.


I was going to come in and pick apart that number (30k of that is sales, alone),and talk about how segmented they are and maybe these 94 people are the key developers from that specific project, but then I actually rtfa, and feel a bit faint to be honest, but found the below....

One Microsoft worker, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was unclear whether any of the lead petitioners' work was part of the Army contract. Another said several organizers work in the company's cloud computing division, which is competing with rivals Google Cloud and Amazon Web Services to gain more government work.

Lol....it's a bunch of Azure people. They would have almost no involvement with the army project at all.
 
2019-02-23 07:19:20 AM  
I could point to various items related to various things we could consider war crimes that my father made. He didn't engineer or deploy them, but he crafted the hard-points that deployed them.

/he died a slow and confused death
//karmicly opposed to the quick and confusing deaths he helped
 
2019-02-23 07:34:09 AM  
Lots of fans of government sanctioned murder here.
 
2019-02-23 07:41:01 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Lots of fans of government sanctioned murder here.


Can we chip in for a plane ticket to a war zone?
 
2019-02-23 08:02:41 AM  
Without a military contract, how are they not in violation of the Sherman anti-trust act?
 
2019-02-23 08:55:52 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Lots of fans of government sanctioned murder here.


They're making VR sets here, so I'm not exactly feeling the ethical dilemma. VR sets made for gamers would have way more simulated murder than ones for the army.
 
2019-02-23 09:02:24 AM  
I thought that this was going to be that they were tired of maintaining Windows XP.
 
2019-02-23 09:09:31 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Lots of fans of government sanctioned murder here.


I'm not usually one to say this kind of thing but... if you don't like the fact that the US government spends money on military R&D and hardware in order to keep the country (and most of the Western world) safe than feel free to go to a place where that doesn't happen. Bear in mind, going almost anywhere in Europe, a NATO country, Japan, S. Korea, Australia, New Zealand, or Central America/The Carribean makes you a hypocrite since pretty much of all of those places (and others) rely on the US to spend gobs of money to either directly protect them or maintain regional stability with their "government sanctioned murder".
 
2019-02-23 09:26:01 AM  
Yeah someone is being stupid. Being able to get real time information can, assuming it's good info, save a lot of lives.

When you absolutely have to kill someone, the best number of bullets used is one. Then the threat is dead, and you only have to account for that one bullet. More rounds means more potential casualties, which means more unwanted death. Always strive to do it once, and do it right.

In the Army I joined, it was summed up as, "one shot, one kill." Of course, probably every other soldier in my platoon didn't hear the speech and held the motto, but it was definitely taught.

It could also be that I'm pretty sure that Drill Sergeant was a sniper with an actual kill log and had to jump out for one reason or another, but the reason is immaterial. Someone knew what they were talking about and had the good sense to pass it along.
 
2019-02-23 09:30:01 AM  
The employees "demand" the company drop the Army contract?  I guess that word doesn't mean what is used to.
 
2019-02-23 09:37:26 AM  
I'm kinda surprised at this thread so far. I thought the majority of Fark would be in the same camp as the MSFTers.
 
2019-02-23 09:42:58 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Lots of fans of government sanctioned murder here.


Think of it has lethal socialism.
 
2019-02-23 11:24:46 AM  
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2019-02-23 12:12:17 PM  
After Action Review, Mar 14th, 2024 : Platoon lost due to Windows update occurring during contact with enemy.
 
2019-02-23 12:45:53 PM  
Cool, MS should do as asked and then when the down sizing begins they can just go down the petition for who gets laid off.

I love that today's workers seem to think profits are made on magical fresh pine sent farts and coal that puts more oxygen into the air when you burn it.

This is the way it actually works, SP tried to tell you long ago.


1: start doing something that
2: ????
3: profit

The important part is step 2.

Step two is the part where we do all sorts of immoral unethical underhanded backstabbing power play bullshiat.
Cause that is the most important part of getting to the profits. And it s left as ????, because once we hit the profit stage no one will ask much about how wee got here.
And it is not that we do not know what t is we had to do to get her. It's that we don't want you to know what t is we had to do to get here.


As long as X is allowed to be at the competition table, you can't really compete against that unless you are willing to also do that.
 
2019-02-23 01:02:00 PM  

ajgeek: Yeah someone is being stupid. Being able to get real time information can, assuming it's good info, save a lot of lives.

When you absolutely have to kill someone, the best number of bullets used is one. Then the threat is dead, and you only have to account for that one bullet. More rounds means more potential casualties, which means more unwanted death. Always strive to do it once, and do it right.

In the Army I joined, it was summed up as, "one shot, one kill." Of course, probably every other soldier in my platoon didn't hear the speech and held the motto, but it was definitely taught.

It could also be that I'm pretty sure that Drill Sergeant was a sniper with an actual kill log and had to jump out for one reason or another, but the reason is immaterial. Someone knew what they were talking about and had the good sense to pass it along.


"One shot, one kill" should not be taken literally. First, when you have to shoot, there's a good chance that there are a lot of rounds already in the air coming the other direction. Second, unless you shoot someone in the head (which is not what you are aiming at if you're aiming where the Army tells you to aim) or with a very large caliber round, people don't just instantly drop dead like they do in the movies. "One shot, one kill" just means fire disciplined shots.
 
2019-02-23 01:08:17 PM  
FTFA The organizing effort, described to Reuters by three Microsoft workers, offers the latest example in the last year of tech employees protesting cooperation with governments on emerging technologies.

If they truly cared they would quit.  But they won't because they like that large tech paycheck they are getting so they will just write a strongly worded memo and go biatch about it at starbucks down the road.
 
2019-02-23 02:09:54 PM  

gingerjet: FTFA The organizing effort, described to Reuters by three Microsoft workers, offers the latest example in the last year of tech employees protesting cooperation with governments on emerging technologies.

If they truly cared they would quit.  But they won't because they like that large tech paycheck they are getting so they will just write a strongly worded memo and go biatch about it at starbucks down the road.


Yep. I'd say they are probably Poltabbers except they have jobs and probably don't live in their mom's basement
 
2019-02-23 02:24:44 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Lots of fans of government sanctioned murder here.


It's not murder if it's government sanctioned. Who wouldn't be a fan of that?
 
2019-02-23 06:41:45 PM  

eurotrader: 94 Microsoft employees out of 135,000 signed a document saying war is bad.  Willing to bet there is at least 5,000 that would sign a document saying their religion is FSM.


Came here for this, leaving happily. When a petition signed by less than 0.07% of the company makes headlines, it's not because of the petition.
 
2019-02-23 07:51:10 PM  

Korzine: Tyrone Slothrop: Lots of fans of government sanctioned murder here.

They're making VR sets here, so I'm not exactly feeling the ethical dilemma. VR sets made for gamers would have way more simulated murder than ones for the army.


AR, not VR. Big difference. This is specifically battlefield tech. Heads-up displays for infantry, basically. And for pilots, gunners, and all the other people in the battlefield business.
 
2019-02-23 08:12:00 PM  

farkeruk: Tyrone Slothrop: Lots of fans of government sanctioned murder here.

It's not murder if it's government sanctioned. Who wouldn't be a fan of that?


Technically it's still murder. Just lawful murder.
 
2019-02-23 08:13:24 PM  
Wonder if anyone H1B signed and if Trump found out.
 
2019-02-23 10:16:39 PM  

farkeruk: Tyrone Slothrop: Lots of fans of government sanctioned murder here.

It's not murder if it's government sanctioned. Who wouldn't be a fan of that?


"The eighteenth-century English jurist William Blackstone (citing Edward Coke), in his Commentaries on the Laws of England set out the common law definition of murder, which by this definition occurs when a person, of sound memory and discretion, unlawfully kills any reasonable creature in being and under the king's peace, with malice aforethought, either express or implied."

It hasn't been considered murder for a long time (if ever) as long as it's an actual enemy in a war zone.
 
2019-02-24 01:38:34 AM  

Gubbo: I think if tech employees wanted to be defense contractors, they have gone to work for defense contractors.


This is the very first government contract Microsoft has ever worked on. No one could have ever conceived of Microsoft cooperating with the government on anything, because it's never happened before.
 
2019-02-24 05:16:26 AM  

Wonktnod: Gubbo: I think if tech employees wanted to be defense contractors, they have gone to work for defense contractors.

This is the very first government contract Microsoft has ever worked on. No one could have ever conceived of Microsoft cooperating with the government on anything, because it's never happened before.


Poor, poor effort
 
2019-02-24 04:19:00 PM  

Gubbo: I think if tech employees wanted to be defense contractors, they have gone to work for defense contractors.


I think tech employees better come to terms with the fact that they're all defense contractors.
 
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