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2019-02-21 07:59:36 PM  
They have to break the law first subby
 
2019-02-21 08:09:27 PM  

shadow01: They have to break the law first subby


So they're white is what you're saying.
 
2019-02-21 08:14:55 PM  

shadow01: They have to break the law first subby


Lucky for us Indiana has the "don't block the fast lanes" law now.
 
2019-02-21 08:17:31 PM  
Don't they threaten these things all the time and like five trucks show up?
 
2019-02-21 08:33:20 PM  

holdmybones: Don't they threaten these things all the time and like five trucks show up?


I didn't notice anything on 465 today. If anything, traffic was better than normal.
 
2019-02-21 08:51:48 PM  
Hey Subby, maybe try reading your own article:

"The organization reached out to our Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Division. They have told us they will obey traffic laws, they will not occupy the left lane and they will try to leave enough gaps between the trucks to allow traffic to safely merge on and off the interstate," said Sgt. John Perrine with Indiana State Police.
 
2019-02-21 09:05:09 PM  
A protest to allow the trucking industry to force drivers to stay behind the wheel when science tells us they are getting too tired to drive safely.

So basically fighting for the right to take massive sledgehammers barreling at me while they're falling asleep but don't realize it.

Definitely a worthy cause.
 
2019-02-21 09:23:13 PM  

wejash: A protest to allow the trucking industry to force drivers to stay behind the wheel when science tells us they are getting too tired to drive safely.

So basically fighting for the right to take massive sledgehammers barreling at me while they're falling asleep but don't realize it.

Definitely a worthy cause.


There's money to be made. Of course we should protest such regulations!
 
2019-02-21 09:29:12 PM  

GardenWeasel: shadow01: They have to break the law first subby

Lucky for us Indiana has the "don't block the fast lanes" law now.


Thats sweet. How did yall do it?

I have an idea call failure to pass. Being in the fast lane and refusing to pass would be subject to a $2k fine
 
2019-02-21 09:36:04 PM  
Truck drivers are protesting government regulations requiring them to use an electronic logging device to track their hours on the road. The regulations were put in place in 2017. Drivers have called the regulations unfair and believe they're interfering with their ability to do their jobs safely.


laws making sure you do your job safely are keeping them fro doing their jobs safely?
 
2019-02-21 10:42:47 PM  

pueblonative: shadow01: They have to break the law first subby

So they're white is what you're saying.


Not sure how that plays here. The article, if you bother to read it, says that they plan to obey minimum speed limits and leave the passing lane open. No laws broken, what does being white black or purple have to do with anything?
 
2019-02-21 11:19:53 PM  

cman: GardenWeasel: shadow01: They have to break the law first subby

Lucky for us Indiana has the "don't block the fast lanes" law now.

Thats sweet. How did yall do it?


Indiana Code Title 9. Motor Vehicles § 9-21-5-9
Sec. 9 . (a)A vehicle that travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the interstate highways.
(b)This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1)on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each direction; and
(2)in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the vehicle in the left most lane.
(c)Subsection (b) does not apply:
(1)when traffic conditions or congestion make it necessary to operate a vehicle in the left most lane;
(2)when inclement weather, obstructions, or hazards make it necessary to operate a vehicle in the left most lane;
(3)when compliance with a law, a regulation, an ordinance, or a traffic control device makes it necessary to operate a vehicle in the left most lane;
(4)when exiting a roadway or turning to the left;
(5)when paying a toll or user fee at a toll collection facility;
(6)to an authorized emergency vehicle operated in the course of duty; or
(7)to vehicles operated or used in the course of highway maintenance or construction.
(d)A person who violates this section commits a Class C infraction.
 
2019-02-22 12:20:51 AM  
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2019-02-22 12:21:13 AM  

GardenWeasel: cman: GardenWeasel: shadow01: They have to break the law first subby

Lucky for us Indiana has the "don't block the fast lanes" law now.

Thats sweet. How did yall do it?

Indiana Code Title 9. Motor Vehicles § 9-21-5-9
Sec. 9 . (a)A vehicle that travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the interstate highways.
(b)This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1)on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each direction; and
(2)in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the vehicle in the left most lane.
(c)Subsection (b) does not apply:
(1)when traffic conditions or congestion make it necessary to operate a vehicle in the left most lane;
(2)when inclement weather, obstructions, or hazards make it necessary to operate a vehicle in the left most lane;
(3)when compliance with a law, a regulation, an ordinance, or a traffic control device makes it necessary to operate a vehicle in the left most lane;
(4)when exiting a roadway or turning to the left;
(5)when paying a toll or user fee at a toll collection facility;
(6)to an authorized emergency vehicle operated in the course of duty; or
(7)to vehicles operated or used in the course of highway maintenance or construction.
(d)A person who violates this section commits a Class C infraction.


FAKE!
Alt-laws!
 
2019-02-22 12:21:41 AM  

D_PaulAngel: Hey Subby, maybe try reading your own article:

"The organization reached out to our Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Division. They have told us they will obey traffic laws, they will not occupy the left lane and they will try to leave enough gaps between the trucks to allow traffic to safely merge on and off the interstate," said Sgt. John Perrine with Indiana State Police.


Asinine tag was for subby.
 
2019-02-22 12:22:58 AM  
DOT should just swarm 465, doing spot checks the whole while.
 
2019-02-22 12:24:26 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Truck drivers are protesting government regulations requiring them to use an electronic logging device to track their hours on the road. The regulations were put in place in 2017. Drivers have called the regulations unfair and believe they're interfering with their ability to do their jobs safely.


laws making sure you do your job safely are keeping them fro doing their jobs safely?


Unemployed or getting fined big enough to work for 2 weeks without pay. To paraphrase Chris Rock "it ain't right, but I understand."

If we fined the company instead of the driver, maybe dispatch (or more appropriately, the sales person/CEO/Manager) would stop sending drivers on a 6 hour trip through major metro areas and expect a 6 hour delivery.
 
2019-02-22 12:24:52 AM  
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2019-02-22 12:25:01 AM  
Truck drivers are protesting government regulations requiring them to use an electronic logging device to track their hours on the road. The regulations were put in place in 2017. Drivers have called the regulations unfair and believe they're interfering with their ability to do their jobs safely.

I've read nothing more about this than the associated article so I'm genuinely curious how this interferes with their ability to do their job safely.
 
2019-02-22 12:26:45 AM  
Wussiest protest ever.
 
2019-02-22 12:27:29 AM  

wejash: A protest to allow the trucking industry to force drivers to stay behind the wheel when science tells us they are getting too tired to drive safely.

So basically fighting for the right to take massive sledgehammers barreling at me while they're falling asleep but don't realize it.

Definitely a worthy cause.


You don't understand, they can drive tired. They know this because they've broken the laws for years and they're still here.
 
2019-02-22 12:27:43 AM  
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2019-02-22 12:27:52 AM  
A Trucker might just think "Me: driving 25,000 lb. vehicule Them: putting 5000 lb. dinky toy in my way. Why should I stop, I'll just roll right over them and keep going. As there are 500 similarly looking guys right behind me, they'll never be able to pick me out of a line up"
 
2019-02-22 12:28:03 AM  
Yank their license, impound their trucks - those laws are there for a reason

Subby sounds like something went wrong after calling that number written on the truck stop bathroom stall.
Can you show us where the semi touched you on this lego model?
 
2019-02-22 12:30:32 AM  
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If we fined the company instead of the driver, maybe dispatch (or more appropriately, the sales person/CEO/Manager) would stop sending drivers on a 6 hour trip through major metro areas and expect a 6 hour delivery.

I don't think it is about this but more so that drivers can only spend (I think 10) hours behind the wheel before they have to rest. Being as a good majority of drivers are paid by the mile, you can see the problem.
A ton of drivers are also freelance.
 
2019-02-22 12:32:23 AM  
"Truck drivers are protesting government regulations requiring them to use an electronic logging device to track their hours on the road. The regulations were put in place in 2017. Drivers have called the regulations unfair and believe they're interfering with their ability to do their jobs safely."

Riiight, they're worried about an electronic device to check how much they drive being a detriment to doing their jobs safely?

The only way I see that happening is if it reduces their time on the road and it leads them to breaking the speed limit to try and make it up. In that case either GPS or speed limiters could be used to make sure that doesn't happen either.

Either way
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2019-02-22 12:36:42 AM  
A regulation which requires them to use tamper-proof electronic logging to track road hours instead of the good ol' honor system is somehow making their jobs less safe (?) so they are protesting by purposefully farking up traffic.  They get paid by the mile, not the hour.  If you can transport 4 loads per week by driving a few extra hours here and there instead of 3 - it makes a big difference in pay.  Their argument is that tracking them is unfair and makes their jobs less safe.  In fact, they're pissed off because they're taking a huge hit in pay by being forced to obey the law and not exceed weekly hours allowed.  Just did a bit of googling.  Guess the number 1 occupation for job-related fatalities?  In 2016, over 5,100 commercial drivers died in the US with fatigue being the leading factor.  So, yeah, I'm going to say e-monitoring is probably a good thing.
 
2019-02-22 12:39:06 AM  

Boo_Guy: "Truck drivers are protesting government regulations requiring them to use an electronic logging device to track their hours on the road. The regulations were put in place in 2017. Drivers have called the regulations unfair and believe they're interfering with their ability to do their jobs safely."

Riiight, they're worried about an electronic device to check how much they drive being a detriment to doing their jobs safely?

The only way I see that happening is if it reduces their time on the road and it leads them to breaking the speed limit to try and make it up. In that case either GPS or speed limiters could be used to make sure that doesn't happen either.

Either way
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The vast majority of the trucks out there are fleet owned and are governed to where they can't break the speed limit other than in the urban core (ie governor is set at 65). That's why when I'm towing my travel trailer I set my cruise at 68, fast enough I'm not playing leapfrog with the guys stuck at 65 but not so fast I'm being dangerous.
 
2019-02-22 12:43:00 AM  

GardenWeasel: shadow01: They have to break the law first subby

Lucky for us Indiana has the "don't block the fast lanes" law now.


Lucky for the truck drivers, they've already mentioned that for those motherfarkers who could be bothered to read TFA before commenting.

They have told us they will obey traffic laws, they will not occupy the left lane and they will try to leave enough gaps between the trucks to allow traffic to safely merge on and off the interstate," said Sgt. John Perrine with Indiana State Police.

Yeah, I dug that up from a thing called The Farking Article.

shadow01: pueblonative: shadow01: They have to break the law first subby

So they're white is what you're saying.

Not sure how that plays here. The article, if you bother to read it, says that they plan to obey minimum speed limits and leave the passing lane open. No laws broken, what does being white black or purple have to do with anything?


Oh it doesn't. Some people insist on making absolutely E-V-E-R-Ything about race. Store ran out of dog food? They're racists. Gas prices went up? Racists. Gas prices went down? A white person must have complained. One way road? A plot to keep the black man down. On and farking on and farking on. It's like having an coke addled Chihuahua just yapping 24 hours a farking day.
 
2019-02-22 12:44:19 AM  

robodog: Boo_Guy: "Truck drivers are protesting government regulations requiring them to use an electronic logging device to track their hours on the road. The regulations were put in place in 2017. Drivers have called the regulations unfair and believe they're interfering with their ability to do their jobs safely."

Riiight, they're worried about an electronic device to check how much they drive being a detriment to doing their jobs safely?

The only way I see that happening is if it reduces their time on the road and it leads them to breaking the speed limit to try and make it up. In that case either GPS or speed limiters could be used to make sure that doesn't happen either.

Either way
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The vast majority of the trucks out there are fleet owned and are governed to where they can't break the speed limit other than in the urban core (ie governor is set at 65). That's why when I'm towing my travel trailer I set my cruise at 68, fast enough I'm not playing leapfrog with the guys stuck at 65 but not so fast I'm being dangerous.


Weird, in Utah we have the majority of our interstate set to 80 and the trucks do just fine.
 
2019-02-22 12:44:28 AM  
Looks like we got ourselves a convoy.
 
2019-02-22 12:44:36 AM  
Usual projection.  A law was passed to force them to be on the road less in order to make things safer.  Now they're claiming that being on the road less in fact makes everything less safe.

TL;DR - No puppet, no puppet.  You're the puppet.
 
2019-02-22 12:46:41 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Truck drivers are protesting government regulations requiring them to use an electronic logging device to track their hours on the road. The regulations were put in place in 2017. Drivers have called the regulations unfair and believe they're interfering with their ability to do their jobs safely.


laws making sure you do your job safely are keeping them fro doing their jobs safely?


They want to be able to drive from meth stop to meth stop for days on end and fabricate their logs like they always have because they can make more money. The fact it gets people killed doesn't really factor into it. Then there are the ones who just listen to talk radio fifteen hours a day and are railing against the government because the government.
 
2019-02-22 12:51:53 AM  

Mikey1969: robodog: Boo_Guy: "Truck drivers are protesting government regulations requiring them to use an electronic logging device to track their hours on the road. The regulations were put in place in 2017. Drivers have called the regulations unfair and believe they're interfering with their ability to do their jobs safely."

Riiight, they're worried about an electronic device to check how much they drive being a detriment to doing their jobs safely?

The only way I see that happening is if it reduces their time on the road and it leads them to breaking the speed limit to try and make it up. In that case either GPS or speed limiters could be used to make sure that doesn't happen either.

Either way
[quickmeme.com image 486x363]

The vast majority of the trucks out there are fleet owned and are governed to where they can't break the speed limit other than in the urban core (ie governor is set at 65). That's why when I'm towing my travel trailer I set my cruise at 68, fast enough I'm not playing leapfrog with the guys stuck at 65 but not so fast I'm being dangerous.

Weird, in Utah we have the majority of our interstate set to 80 and the trucks do just fine.


Basically every major fleet has governors on their trucks, usually at 63, 65, or 68. They aren't legally required, as far as I'm aware, so any independent owner or smaller fleet may not have governors on their trucks. Those are the guys you see doing 85 in a 70 in the rain.
 
2019-02-22 12:57:09 AM  
Of course the regulations are targeting the truckers.  It's not them that need the regulations.  There should be no need for them to be putting in 20 hours a day to make a living.  It should be on the companies to pay them a living farking wage.  They should be protesting.
 
2019-02-22 12:58:47 AM  
Wait until you see how upset they're gonna get when they're replaced by a computer in a few years.
 
2019-02-22 12:58:53 AM  

robodog: Boo_Guy: "Truck drivers are protesting government regulations requiring them to use an electronic logging device to track their hours on the road. The regulations were put in place in 2017. Drivers have called the regulations unfair and believe they're interfering with their ability to do their jobs safely."

Riiight, they're worried about an electronic device to check how much they drive being a detriment to doing their jobs safely?

The only way I see that happening is if it reduces their time on the road and it leads them to breaking the speed limit to try and make it up. In that case either GPS or speed limiters could be used to make sure that doesn't happen either.

Either way
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The vast majority of the trucks out there are fleet owned and are governed to where they can't break the speed limit other than in the urban core (ie governor is set at 65). That's why when I'm towing my travel trailer I set my cruise at 68, fast enough I'm not playing leapfrog with the guys stuck at 65 but not so fast I'm being dangerous.


Never really thought about it before but I was recently on I95 from FL to NC and back but most all the semis stayed in the right lane and were going at or less than the speed limit. Didnt realize they had governors. SC especially was noticeable because it seems like 95 is 2 lanes and crappy though most of the state. Some trucks would get out of line but they passed the others fairly slowly.

/Is this fairly recent?  I remember semis doing pretty much whatever on trips in the past.
 
2019-02-22 01:01:28 AM  

dkulprit: Of course the regulations are targeting the truckers.  It's not them that need the regulations.  There should be no need for them to be putting in 20 hours a day to make a living.  It should be on the companies to pay them a living farking wage.  They should be protesting.


They're not protesting that.

They're protesting the electronic logbooks.

And it doesn't really matter what they protest.  Their jobs are gone.  Driving a truck isn't going to be a thing in 10 years.
 
2019-02-22 01:03:57 AM  
Wait, they can drive even slower?
 
2019-02-22 01:05:39 AM  
I think a large part of the complaint is that you can't just immediately stop anywhere on the interstate.   They can't just knock off, but if they have 30 minutes left but decide to go another 20-25 miles and the point they were going to stop is full they are in a situation where they have to stop in the next 5 minutes or be illegal.  The electronic logger is very precise in an industry where timing isn't.   You may say 5 minutes isn't enough buffer, but it can happen with 10,15, or 20 minute windows.  It's not like rest areas and truck parking takes reservations.  So you end up with more trucks parked on exit and entry ramps than there would be otherwise because even when it's "full" they may not be able to continue anyway.   I think if there was a buffer allowed periodically (so not every duty period) for looking for a place to sleep they still wouldn't like it but would have fewer complaints.
 
2019-02-22 01:06:01 AM  

wejash: So basically fighting for the right to take massive sledgehammers barreling at me while they're falling asleep but don't realize it.


In all fairness, you don't seem to be doing anything with that life. Why not let them take it?
 
2019-02-22 01:21:41 AM  
Cool. I've had this big bag of bennies I've been looking to sell. I'm off to Indiana!
 
2019-02-22 01:29:36 AM  
Knowing something about this:

* Speed governors for my operation are set to 65 on cruise, 68 on the pedal.  Speed is monitored via eLog device (either AOBRD or ELD)* -- excesses are flagged.
* Mandatory are how long one can spend driving without a break and how long one can spend driving/on-duty without a "reset" (if you give a shiat, look it up or ask me).  Violations are flagged.

The big complaint is from older drivers (of course), the ones who've been doing this and hate anything new.  The newer drivers don't seem to give a shiat.  Unlike paper logs, which were really only accurate to 15-minute intervals, eLogs are accurate to the second (although, my complaint is that they only display accurate to the minute; this can cause, and has caused, problems).

eLogs are also pretty foolproof.  Paper logs can be fudged.  You can lie on your times.  Heck, you can keep two logs and only show the DOT guy the one that makes you look innocent of any shenanigans.

So drivers get pissy 'cos they might be caught out and have to reset (usually 10 hours), meaning if they get stalled in traffic and this cause them to run out of time** an hour out from the depot, they aren't making it home that night.  On paper log, you can forge your logs so you can get back and go home; eLogs are unforgiving.  On paper log, if you find defects in your truck/trailer during your pre-trip inspections, you can just "start" your log after the repairs or whatever are done (you're not supposed to do inspections OFF DUTY).  If you start your eLog and then find a defect, you are just losing time while shiat gets fixed, and that can cause you to have to lay over when you were expecting to be back for dinner.

Plus, they record everything, especially the ELDs.  GPS coordinates, how fast you're going, if the truck is stopped, moving, or even engine off. If the truck is moved without someone being logged into the truck's ELD, it wants to know why, and who, even over short distances (like, measured in yards).


* Automatic On-Board Recording Device, which are being phased out, or Electronic Logging Device, which is far more comprehensive and functional
** There are exceptions legally, but not all organizations (including UPS) allow them
 
2019-02-22 01:36:05 AM  
Given how little truck drivers get paid for their work, what with specialized licenses and antisocial anti family working conditions you'd expect they would instead be doing an organized go-slow to force their employers to pay them more per mile instead.

'Course that sort of protest historically seems much more likely to result in the popo kicking your head in than when you go protesting to make your boss richer.
 
2019-02-22 01:36:55 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: robodog: Boo_Guy: "Truck drivers are protesting government regulations requiring them to use an electronic logging device to track their hours on the road. The regulations were put in place in 2017. Drivers have called the regulations unfair and believe they're interfering with their ability to do their jobs safely."

Riiight, they're worried about an electronic device to check how much they drive being a detriment to doing their jobs safely?

The only way I see that happening is if it reduces their time on the road and it leads them to breaking the speed limit to try and make it up. In that case either GPS or speed limiters could be used to make sure that doesn't happen either.

Either way
[quickmeme.com image 486x363]

The vast majority of the trucks out there are fleet owned and are governed to where they can't break the speed limit other than in the urban core (ie governor is set at 65). That's why when I'm towing my travel trailer I set my cruise at 68, fast enough I'm not playing leapfrog with the guys stuck at 65 but not so fast I'm being dangerous.

Never really thought about it before but I was recently on I95 from FL to NC and back but most all the semis stayed in the right lane and were going at or less than the speed limit. Didnt realize they had governors. SC especially was noticeable because it seems like 95 is 2 lanes and crappy though most of the state. Some trucks would get out of line but they passed the others fairly slowly.

/Is this fairly recent?  I remember semis doing pretty much whatever on trips in the past.


I believe it started in 2006 when fuel got really expensive. The fleet operators were losing their shirts due to locked in contracts but rapidly rising fuel prices. So they put in the governors to keep their expenses in check.

I go 68 for largely the same reason, I get 12mpg at 68, at 75 it drops to 10. It's not worth 20% more fuel costs to save less than 10% on time, plus it's much safer to tow at the lower speed. In fact I'd probably drop to 60 to save a bit more on fuel but big speed differentials aren't safe.
 
2019-02-22 01:43:07 AM  

Baradium: I think a large part of the complaint is that you can't just immediately stop anywhere on the interstate.   They can't just knock off, but if they have 30 minutes left but decide to go another 20-25 miles and the point they were going to stop is full they are in a situation where they have to stop in the next 5 minutes or be illegal.  The electronic logger is very precise in an industry where timing isn't.   You may say 5 minutes isn't enough buffer, but it can happen with 10,15, or 20 minute windows.  It's not like rest areas and truck parking takes reservations.  So you end up with more trucks parked on exit and entry ramps than there would be otherwise because even when it's "full" they may not be able to continue anyway.   I think if there was a buffer allowed periodically (so not every duty period) for looking for a place to sleep they still wouldn't like it but would have fewer complaints.


How does that differ from paper logs? It doesn't. What it does do is give dispatch a metric to look at, to see who has time left for whatever reason. To them, parking 30 minutes early is akin to a 9 to 5, M-F stiff going home 30 minutes early. They can't do that, so neither can drivers. Which is wrong, but tell them that.

Dispatch should STFU&GB2W
 
2019-02-22 01:46:03 AM  
One more reason to have self-driving trucks. Then they can roll 24/7.
 
2019-02-22 01:46:03 AM  
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2019-02-22 01:49:44 AM  

Baradium: I think a large part of the complaint is that you can't just immediately stop anywhere on the interstate.   They can't just knock off, but if they have 30 minutes left but decide to go another 20-25 miles and the point they were going to stop is full they are in a situation where they have to stop in the next 5 minutes or be illegal.  The electronic logger is very precise in an industry where timing isn't.   You may say 5 minutes isn't enough buffer, but it can happen with 10,15, or 20 minute windows.  It's not like rest areas and truck parking takes reservations.  So you end up with more trucks parked on exit and entry ramps than there would be otherwise because even when it's "full" they may not be able to continue anyway.   I think if there was a buffer allowed periodically (so not every duty period) for looking for a place to sleep they still wouldn't like it but would have fewer complaints.


That would be a legit discussion and needs to be addressed. I gather that mostly the objections aren't nearly that specific a lot of the time.
 
2019-02-22 01:54:32 AM  
Trucks are governed because of insurance rates and fuel efficiency. Insurance companies give lower rates for castrated fleets, and they get better fuel mileage.

Drivers can run a maximum of 8 hours continuous, and 11 hours out of 14 once they go on duty. After 8 they must take a 30 minute break.

I drove for a lot of years with paper logs, or what I always called a rolling novel; they didn't reflect what happened but what could have happened. Personally, I prefer the electronic logs, makes it easy for me to tell a dispatcher to kiss my ass.

What I hate are "No trucks in left lane" laws where nobody enforces "Keep right except to pass". On a three-lane if I can't use the left lane the center lane becomes, by default, my passing lane. Cars consider it the loiter lane and wonder why all they see in their mirror is a truck grill.
 
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