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(Daily Mail)   Michael Jackson's estate files $100M lawsuit against HBO to halt release of Leaving Neverland, saying sex abuse claims are a breach of 1992 contract between HBO and Jackson. Notice they aren't saying he's not a pedophile   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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2019-02-21 07:21:51 PM  
He was abused as a child, and very talented as an artist. BUT HE WAS A GODAMN PEDOPHILE.
 
2019-02-21 08:06:00 PM  
They have no chance. None.
 
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2019-02-21 08:32:26 PM  
nobody cares, he's dead.
 
2019-02-21 08:46:05 PM  
He wasn't a pedophile. Wasn't. Unless he's now a zombie pedophile.
 
2019-02-21 09:02:30 PM  
Lawyers pick the battle they can win.
 
2019-02-21 09:22:42 PM  

Pocket Ninja: He wasn't a pedophile. Wasn't. Unless he's now a zombie pedophile.


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2019-02-21 09:42:11 PM  
did his death void the contract?
 
2019-02-21 10:53:34 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: did his death void the contract?


The family is still making money off of him, more than if he were still alive, so that is what it is all about. sick.
 
2019-02-21 11:33:33 PM  
I thought he was a very farked up dude who was robbed of a childhood by his family and then when he finally was free of them and had all the freedom and money, he tried to have the childhood that he missed. He had kids over, they played, he had his own amusement park, all things that a 10 year old would fantasize about. The problem was that he wasn't actually a pre-pubecent boy, but all his playmates were. I thought it was pretty sad and messed up, but I never thought he was a pedophile and in it for sexual gratification really.

\I could be wrong, there might be evidence I'm not aware of.
 
2019-02-21 11:37:54 PM  

delathi: I thought he was a very farked up dude who was robbed of a childhood by his family and then when he finally was free of them and had all the freedom and money, he tried to have the childhood that he missed. He had kids over, they played, he had his own amusement park, all things that a 10 year old would fantasize about. The problem was that he wasn't actually a pre-pubecent boy, but all his playmates were. I thought it was pretty sad and messed up, but I never thought he was a pedophile and in it for sexual gratification really.

\I could be wrong, there might be evidence I'm not aware of.

Same here. He was practically the textbook definition of Peter Pan Syndrome. I think he was likely also asexual. That combination would explain a lot.
 
2019-02-21 11:47:05 PM  

COMALite J: delathi: I thought he was a very farked up dude who was robbed of a childhood by his family and then when he finally was free of them and had all the freedom and money, he tried to have the childhood that he missed. He had kids over, they played, he had his own amusement park, all things that a 10 year old would fantasize about. The problem was that he wasn't actually a pre-pubecent boy, but all his playmates were. I thought it was pretty sad and messed up, but I never thought he was a pedophile and in it for sexual gratification really.

\I could be wrong, there might be evidence I'm not aware of.
Same here. He was practically the textbook definition of Peter Pan Syndrome. I think he was likely also asexual. That combination would explain a lot.


Dunno if he was really a pedo or not, I'm convinced he was odd af, though. What's totally damning about this documentary isn't so much the stories these two guys are telling, it's the fact these two guys appeared in court in support of Jackson back way when Jackson was being accused of being a pedo. And they testified that he didn't touch them, and nothing happened. They said this in a court of law as adults. This of course now conflicts with what they are now saying, which would mean they perjured themselves?

Can the Fark legal team clarify? I don't know why this hasn't been brought up and why HBO went ahead regardless. Doesn't it mean anything?
 
2019-02-22 12:03:17 AM  
Michael Jackson Little Billy's Not My Lover
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2019-02-22 12:07:27 AM  

COMALite J: delathi: I thought he was a very farked up dude who was robbed of a childhood by his family and then when he finally was free of them and had all the freedom and money, he tried to have the childhood that he missed. He had kids over, they played, he had his own amusement park, all things that a 10 year old would fantasize about. The problem was that he wasn't actually a pre-pubecent boy, but all his playmates were. I thought it was pretty sad and messed up, but I never thought he was a pedophile and in it for sexual gratification really.

\I could be wrong, there might be evidence I'm not aware of.
Same here. He was practically the textbook definition of Peter Pan Syndrome. I think he was likely also asexual. That combination would explain a lot.


He was basically raped by prostitutes on the order of his father. I could plausibly believe that he was asexual. By all accounts he never showed any interest in sexual activity.

His entire perception of what sex is was a warped and tortured mockery from his older brothers and father, and his idea of sex appeal was carefully constructed by his handlers, managers, producers, and marketers as an aspect of his image as an entertainer.

But I do know and understand that he was odd as fark, and there is always going to be that degree of uncertainty over whether or not he was a pedophile. But until some new irrefutable evidence comes out, I just can't see Michael Jackson knowingly hurting little boys for sexual gratification. It just seems so out of character for him from the established history he had regarding his sexuality.
 
2019-02-22 12:08:25 AM  

GungFu: COMALite J: delathi: I thought he was a very farked up dude who was robbed of a childhood by his family and then when he finally was free of them and had all the freedom and money, he tried to have the childhood that he missed. He had kids over, they played, he had his own amusement park, all things that a 10 year old would fantasize about. The problem was that he wasn't actually a pre-pubecent boy, but all his playmates were. I thought it was pretty sad and messed up, but I never thought he was a pedophile and in it for sexual gratification really.

\I could be wrong, there might be evidence I'm not aware of.
Same here. He was practically the textbook definition of Peter Pan Syndrome. I think he was likely also asexual. That combination would explain a lot.

Dunno if he was really a pedo or not, I'm convinced he was odd af, though. What's totally damning about this documentary isn't so much the stories these two guys are telling, it's the fact these two guys appeared in court in support of Jackson back way when Jackson was being accused of being a pedo. And they testified that he didn't touch them, and nothing happened. They said this in a court of law as adults. This of course now conflicts with what they are now saying, which would mean they perjured themselves?

Can the Fark legal team clarify? I don't know why this hasn't been brought up and why HBO went ahead regardless. Doesn't it mean anything?


I haven't seen this documentary, but I am guessing a line or two along the lines of "These two guys testified that Jackson didn't molest them, but this is why they said that and this is what they NOW say" would cover them legally on that front. It's fair game to report what people are saying, especially if you qualify it with "this is what they said previously."

That said, the violation of the non-disparagement agreement is a unique way into filing a suit against HBO, it should be interesting to see the outcome.
 
2019-02-22 12:39:47 AM  

delathi: I thought he was a very farked up dude who was robbed of a childhood by his family and then when he finally was free of them and had all the freedom and money, he tried to have the childhood that he missed. He had kids over, they played, he had his own amusement park, all things that a 10 year old would fantasize about. The problem was that he wasn't actually a pre-pubecent boy, but all his playmates were. I thought it was pretty sad and messed up, but I never thought he was a pedophile and in it for sexual gratification really.

\I could be wrong, there might be evidence I'm not aware of.


I agree 100% with one exception. There are alot of NDA legal settlements with the parents of pre-pubecent kids.
 
2019-02-22 12:51:17 AM  
 Wasn't even the real Michael.  That one died in 1984.
/Paul's dead too.
//Teach the controversy
 
2019-02-22 01:05:45 AM  

Biledriver: Wasn't even the real Michael.  That one died in 1984.
/Paul's dead too.
//Teach the controversy


I am the walrus.
 
2019-02-22 01:11:00 AM  
It's nice to imagine he was just a big kid with a Peter Pan complex and innocently slept in bed with little boys for fun, but here in reality, that is just silly.
 
2019-02-22 01:15:44 AM  

Confabulat: It's nice to imagine he was just a big kid with a Peter Pan complex and innocently slept in bed with little boys for fun, but here in reality, that is just silly.


You can't sleep in the same bed with a child and not molest that child? That's telling...
 
2019-02-22 01:18:13 AM  

CaptainFatass: Confabulat: It's nice to imagine he was just a big kid with a Peter Pan complex and innocently slept in bed with little boys for fun, but here in reality, that is just silly.

You can't sleep in the same bed with a child and not molest that child? That's telling...


Where's the eyeroll emoticon?
 
2019-02-22 01:21:05 AM  

Confabulat: CaptainFatass: Confabulat: It's nice to imagine he was just a big kid with a Peter Pan complex and innocently slept in bed with little boys for fun, but here in reality, that is just silly.

You can't sleep in the same bed with a child and not molest that child? That's telling...

Where's the eyeroll emoticon?


So, you CAN'T sleep in the same bed as a child without molesting that child? Yeah, or no?
 
2019-02-22 01:25:04 AM  

Confabulat: CaptainFatass: Confabulat: It's nice to imagine he was just a big kid with a Peter Pan complex and innocently slept in bed with little boys for fun, but here in reality, that is just silly.

You can't sleep in the same bed with a child and not molest that child? That's telling...

Where's the eyeroll emoticon?


I get it; you see a child and your hands start trembling. So you put your hands in your pants pockets, hoping your fidgeting mitts don't find their way to your no-no area. You start to sweat, on your forehead and above your upper lip. So you yell out, "Michael Jackson's a pervert!" But not everyone is like that.
 
2019-02-22 01:33:31 AM  

Confabulat: It's nice to imagine he was just a big kid with a Peter Pan complex and innocently slept in bed with little boys for fun, but here in reality, that is just silly.


I don't know how many damaged people you've met, but that is entirely possible. Sometimes people are just sad and damaged and do really weird things. It is also true that sometimes they hurt people, but it isn't true for all of them.

There are guys who hire prostitutes just to be held by them without any sexual contact. There are women who let guys sleep in their bed without any sexual contact just so they won't feel alone (I'm one of them). It's possible, maybe even probable that Michael Jackson just wanted the childhood he wasn't allowed to have and found a way to cope with that by hanging out with young boys. I'm not saying it was right, or even that it was healthy. But I'm also saying that it doesn't automatically make him a pedo, either.
 
2019-02-22 02:53:34 AM  

CaptainFatass: Confabulat: CaptainFatass: Confabulat: It's nice to imagine he was just a big kid with a Peter Pan complex and innocently slept in bed with little boys for fun, but here in reality, that is just silly.

You can't sleep in the same bed with a child and not molest that child? That's telling...

Where's the eyeroll emoticon?

So, you CAN'T sleep in the same bed as a child without molesting that child? Yeah, or no?


I don't think I've ever slept in a bed with a child who wasn't related to me in my life, to be honest. So you do that sort of thing regularly?
 
2019-02-22 02:55:10 AM  

Biledriver: Wasn't even the real Michael.  That one died in 1984.
/Paul's dead too.
//Teach the controversy


"How were we gonna conquer Earth with a white Michael Jackson?"
 
2019-02-22 03:05:41 AM  

Confabulat: CaptainFatass: Confabulat: CaptainFatass: Confabulat: It's nice to imagine he was just a big kid with a Peter Pan complex and innocently slept in bed with little boys for fun, but here in reality, that is just silly.

You can't sleep in the same bed with a child and not molest that child? That's telling...

Where's the eyeroll emoticon?

So, you CAN'T sleep in the same bed as a child without molesting that child? Yeah, or no?

I don't think I've ever slept in a bed with a child who wasn't related to me in my life, to be honest. So you do that sort of thing regularly?


Some people have no sexual drive, a friend of mine ended a marriage recently with a man she loved because she's just not interested in the act of sex.  Not everyone is.  I find it ridiculous personally when some people insist you can't sleep in a bed with someone and it not be sexual.

I have no idea if he was a pedophile, but if he was you'd think it would have came out at some point.
 
2019-02-22 04:16:53 AM  
Even if he was a child molester, they wouldn't necessarily know.  I mean, if they did, they'd be complicit, no?

None of that changes whether or not HBO is in violation of contractual obligations; it's beside the point.
 
2019-02-22 04:19:28 AM  

baron von doodle: Biledriver: Wasn't even the real Michael.  That one died in 1984.
/Paul's dead too.
//Teach the controversy

I am the walrus.


Goo goo g'joob, baby.

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2019-02-22 04:46:58 AM  
Want to raise MJ from the dead as a zombie?

Look into a mirror and say *Boy's Trousers Half Off* three times.
 
2019-02-22 04:56:54 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: baron von doodle: Biledriver: Wasn't even the real Michael.  That one died in 1984.
/Paul's dead too.
//Teach the controversy

I am the walrus.

Goo goo g'joob, baby.

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I could have done without that : /
 
2019-02-22 05:49:30 AM  

Lady J: ArcadianRefugee: baron von doodle: Biledriver: Wasn't even the real Michael.  That one died in 1984.
/Paul's dead too.
//Teach the controversy

I am the walrus.

Goo goo g'joob, baby.

[dreadcentral.com image 850x529]

I could have done without that : /


(Sorry.)
 
2019-02-22 06:41:11 AM  
Remember, the question isn't about the article or his movies or his views. It is about whether we should name civic buildings and structures after someone who is vocal in their racism and bigotry.  The 1971 article is just a piece of evidence that he really believed these things. Should we name an airport after people like that?

Since I believe his ideas are wrong and immoral I would say no. If society degrades to the point that those opinions are on the rise again, then they can change the name back.
 
2019-02-22 07:29:30 AM  

The_Philosopher_King: Remember, the question isn't about the article or his movies or his views. It is about whether we should name civic buildings and structures after someone who is vocal in their racism and bigotry.  The 1971 article is just a piece of evidence that he really believed these things. Should we name an airport after people like that?

Since I believe his ideas are wrong and immoral I would say no. If society degrades to the point that those opinions are on the rise again, then they can change the name back.


We are getting a Michael Jackson airport?

//wrong thread I'm sure
 
2019-02-22 07:37:13 AM  

Kirablue42: He was abused as a child, and very talented as an artist. BUT HE WAS A GODAMN PEDOPHILE.


Aaannnd we're done here.
 
2019-02-22 07:52:22 AM  
I'll be honest, I have no idea what to think about this. These men claim to have been lying for reasons when they testified in court, and now claim to be telling the truth. It's tough to take them seriously as a result, even though I am supportive of #MeToo and believe the allegations against R. Kelly and Ryan Adams and the like.

Like several other posters here, I was of the general belief that MJ was certainly screwed up in the head by his upbringing and mega-stardom, but also not guilty of sexual behaviors with young boys. I am open to the possibility that I am wrong, but I need evidence. I am a science-minded person, and the abrupt confessions of two men whom had testified in court to the opposing view doesn't yet meet that criteria.

That being said, I am not sure I could watch this doc. My young daughter's most favorite singer in the whole wide world is MJ, and I couldn't escape his music if I tried. She's not of an age that I could really explain these things to her.
 
2019-02-22 08:14:54 AM  
dletter:
//wrong thread I'm sure

Dammit
 
2019-02-22 08:15:24 AM  
Whether or not he was a pedophile is a question of fact, and thus a matter for a jury.
Whether or not HBO is barred from broadcasting due to a NDA is a question of law, and thus a matter for a judge.

You handle the judge questions first, then deal with the jury ones.
 
2019-02-22 08:16:39 AM  

dletter: The_Philosopher_King: Remember, the question isn't about the article or his movies or his views. It is about whether we should name civic buildings and structures after someone who is vocal in their racism and bigotry.  The 1971 article is just a piece of evidence that he really believed these things. Should we name an airport after people like that?

Since I believe his ideas are wrong and immoral I would say no. If society degrades to the point that those opinions are on the rise again, then they can change the name back.

We are getting a Michael Jackson airport?

//wrong thread I'm sure


Gary, Indiana does have an airport.
 
2019-02-22 09:07:59 AM  

sarajlewis83: I'll be honest, I have no idea what to think about this. These men claim to have been lying for reasons when they testified in court, and now claim to be telling the truth. It's tough to take them seriously as a result, even though I am supportive of #MeToo and believe the allegations against R. Kelly and Ryan Adams and the like.

Like several other posters here, I was of the general belief that MJ was certainly screwed up in the head by his upbringing and mega-stardom, but also not guilty of sexual behaviors with young boys. I am open to the possibility that I am wrong, but I need evidence. I am a science-minded person, and the abrupt confessions of two men whom had testified in court to the opposing view doesn't yet meet that criteria.

That being said, I am not sure I could watch this doc. My young daughter's most favorite singer in the whole wide world is MJ, and I couldn't escape his music if I tried. She's not of an age that I could really explain these things to her.


all of this.

/except the daughter, which I don't have
 
2019-02-22 10:10:47 AM  

COMALite J: delathi: I thought he was a very farked up dude who was robbed of a childhood by his family and then when he finally was free of them and had all the freedom and money, he tried to have the childhood that he missed. He had kids over, they played, he had his own amusement park, all things that a 10 year old would fantasize about. The problem was that he wasn't actually a pre-pubecent boy, but all his playmates were. I thought it was pretty sad and messed up, but I never thought he was a pedophile and in it for sexual gratification really.

\I could be wrong, there might be evidence I'm not aware of.
Same here. He was practically the textbook definition of Peter Pan Syndrome. I think he was likely also asexual. That combination would explain a lot.


Rumor 8s he was basically chemically castrated by his father to keep his octave range.
 
2019-02-22 10:37:31 AM  

vudukungfu: Lawyers pick the battle they can win.


This. They don't have to because that's not how law works.  Why take on a more difficult burden of proof than you have to.  If you try and then can't prove something it is likely unproveable either way you look guilty. You focus your efforts on the minimum need to win.

For what it's worth I think Michael Jackson was a pedophile in classical definition.  These are people who's development is stunted for various reason.  They identify with children and tend not to trust adults.   They're kind of like over sized children themselves.  They also tend to be very protective of children and so are less likely to actually victimize them.  They do tend to have poor judgment and impulse control though so some times they do do things they shouldn't but it tends to be consensual.    So I don't really know if he did or didn't do anything with any kids that he shouldn't have.  I do think that if he did it probably had more to do with him being farked over as a kid by basically every adult in his life rather than him trying to victimize a child.  Seems to me like he was a big child being exploited by his caretakers right to the end.
 
2019-02-22 11:54:43 AM  
im just pissed my parents never took me to neverland ranch. I was his type, young and a boy...

but nooo, here i have to sit in my crappy job, driving a truck that is old enough to drink...

and my parents weren't catholic.

Im starting to think they never cared about my future!
also, remember this..

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2019-02-22 12:49:12 PM  

Weatherkiss: There are women who let guys sleep in their bed without any sexual contact just so they won't feel alone (I'm one of them).


Oh, baby, if I was your man, I would run my hands all over the sheets to smooth out the wrinkles, then keep them to my damn self. I would keep a distance so respectful, your knees would go weak. My body would radiate a searingly normal 98.6 degrees that would be perfect with maybe a light comforter as long as we were at least a few inches apart for some ventilation. I would be so unobtrusive in your sleep patterns, I'd give you all 8 hours.  Baby, I'd even shiat in the downstairs bathroom, and do it so quietly you wouldn't even notice.  Yeahhh, baby. That's what I'd do.
 
2019-02-22 03:45:01 PM  

Promo Sapien: Weatherkiss: There are women who let guys sleep in their bed without any sexual contact just so they won't feel alone (I'm one of them).

Oh, baby, if I was your man, I would run my hands all over the sheets to smooth out the wrinkles, then keep them to my damn self. I would keep a distance so respectful, your knees would go weak. My body would radiate a searingly normal 98.6 degrees that would be perfect with maybe a light comforter as long as we were at least a few inches apart for some ventilation. I would be so unobtrusive in your sleep patterns, I'd give you all 8 hours.  Baby, I'd even shiat in the downstairs bathroom, and do it so quietly you wouldn't even notice.  Yeahhh, baby. That's what I'd do.


id almost say that mike pence made a fark appearance...
 
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