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2019-02-21 08:56:35 PM  
I fully expect what's his face to get shot once the Venezuelan military runs out of food.
 
2019-02-21 08:57:16 PM  
But is he building a wall?  You can't close a border without a wall!
 
2019-02-21 08:57:52 PM  
I'm sure our resident Maduro Groupie will be along shortly to tell us about the grave threat that food posed to the poor Venezuelan people.
 
2019-02-21 08:59:40 PM  
Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.
 
2019-02-21 09:00:34 PM  
Fark Maduro. In the face. With bullets.
 
2019-02-21 09:01:11 PM  

Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.


Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.
 
2019-02-21 09:01:14 PM  

BigNumber12: I'm sure our resident Maduro Groupie will be along shortly to tell us about the grave threat that food posed to the poor Venezuelan people.


He's added decades to the lifes of the people who make it out the other side. At least that's been the experience from concentration camps and gulags.
 
2019-02-21 09:01:47 PM  
Bye, Felicia...

Seriously - things are going bad, and he's going to make them worse...

Okay - who's running the book on how much longer he'll last, and what will happen to him when he gets removed from office...
 
2019-02-21 09:04:07 PM  
When only a few Brazilian people cross over in to your country, it can quickly overwhelm your resources
 
2019-02-21 09:05:30 PM  

iheartscotch: I fully expect what's his face to get shot once the Venezuelan military runs out of food.


Somebody tell crazy Bernie
 
2019-02-21 09:05:32 PM  

BigNumber12: I'm sure our resident Maduro Groupie will be along shortly to tell us about the grave threat that food posed to the poor Venezuelan people.


Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.


Wow, that was fast.
 
2019-02-21 09:07:06 PM  
Hey cancer, we all hate you and there's about 7.5+ billion people who don't deserve to get you, bur you did us all a solid with Chavez, can you go ahead and get Maduro too before our scientists finally find a cure for you?
 
2019-02-21 09:07:57 PM  
Venezuela and Colombia should unite into one country and form the world's first petro-narco-state. They would be unstoppable.
 
2019-02-21 09:09:01 PM  

iheartscotch: I fully expect what's his face to get shot once the Venezuelan military runs out of food.


We're still waiting for that to happen in North Korea. How long has it been?
 
2019-02-21 09:11:41 PM  

morg: iheartscotch: I fully expect what's his face to get shot once the Venezuelan military runs out of food.

We're still waiting for that to happen in North Korea. How long has it been?


It's the same deal in Norklandia. The military and their families gets all the good stuff.
 
2019-02-21 09:15:50 PM  
The only question at this point is if he escapes to Cuba or decorates a lamp post.
 
2019-02-21 09:20:39 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.


It can't be a socialist's fault, thus there must be a legitimate reason.  Therefore there must be weapons.  QED.
 
2019-02-21 09:23:28 PM  
"300 tonnes of aid would be shipped to Venezuela from its ally Russia."

That....is really not a lot of food aid. I hope that was a typo.
 
2019-02-21 09:29:20 PM  

Keith Dudemeister: Venezuela and Colombia should unite into one country and form the world's first petro-narco-state. They would be unstoppable.


Except that Colombia has substantially lost its narco-state status since they defeated the FARK.
 
2019-02-21 09:30:49 PM  

Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.


Thats probably not true but if it is...

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2019-02-21 09:31:37 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: But is he building a wall?  You can't close a border without a wall!


Yes, until they are comfortably numb and the worms enter their brains.
 
2019-02-21 09:40:51 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: But is he building a wall?  You can't close a border without a wall!


No, he is not building a wall.  He is just going to increase his Socialism.  That should take care of all the problems in Venezuela....more Socialism!
 
2019-02-21 09:42:16 PM  

Kalyco Jack: Keith Dudemeister: Venezuela and Colombia should unite into one country and form the world's first petro-narco-state. They would be unstoppable.

Except that Colombia has substantially lost its narco-state status since they defeated the FARK.



Except as a Colombian citizen that is not true.

Whilst I am a natural born US citizen, I am also a Colombian one, and I have lived on and off in Colombia since 1988.

While Farc got into the drug business, the old families still controlled it, and still do.

After the Pablo fiasco they got smarter.

Like the US mafia they funneled that cash into legitimate businesses. To go legit and wash the money.  Off the top of my head I can think of two.  One of the largest drugstore chains in the country electronic chains.

They have also built shopping centers and tons of commercial real estate.

Colombians now deal directly with the Mexicans and sell in bulk.  They ship to Mexico and let the Mexicans do the dirty work.   The Colombians are the Plantation Owners and the Mexicans are the Overseers.

Cocaine production is up about 35% since 2016.
 
2019-02-21 09:52:22 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: "300 tonnes of aid would be shipped to Venezuela from its ally Russia."

That....is really not a lot of food aid. I hope that was a typo.


Well, they used to buy their food from Colombia and Brasil.

But they pissed off both countries.

Colombia has a grocery store called El Exito(it roughly translates to "it is a hit" like hit record, movie etc).  The family in Colombia owned one store and it burned down, and the insurance money let them build another store and they decided to change the name and said "IT wil be a hit for sure" so they named it that.

So El Exito became the primary supermarket in Venezuela, until Venezuela nationalized it and just stole all of the stock.

While the grocery stores were a write off for such a large corporation. The local Colombian farmers in the states of Caldas and Antioquia sold 60% of their wares to Venezuela so they are hit pretty hard in Colombia by this.
 
2019-02-21 09:52:47 PM  
Let's just see how "open" the Brazil-Venezuela border is...

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2019-02-21 10:01:11 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: "300 tonnes of aid would be shipped to Venezuela from its ally Russia."

That....is really not a lot of food aid. I hope that was a typo.


Of course it was. It's spelled "tons". Damn limeys add extra letters to make things sound bigger.
 
2019-02-21 10:37:59 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.


I don't think anyone could have proof without inside knowledge, but given our own government's past dealings and Elliot Abrams' involvement it's a possibility we shouldn't discount.
 
2019-02-21 10:43:42 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: "300 tonnes of aid would be shipped to Venezuela from its ally Russia."

That....is really not a lot of food aid. I hope that was a typo.


Look, russia doesn't just have heaps and heaps of unneeded food just lying around collecting dust, you smug, decadent American pig.
 
2019-02-21 10:46:39 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.


I hope no one assumed this to be true.  If one of us did, please out yourself so we can vote you off the island.
 
2019-02-21 10:48:42 PM  

happydude45: iheartscotch: I fully expect what's his face to get shot once the Venezuelan military runs out of food.

Somebody tell crazy Bernie


I'm no fan of Bernie and his looniness, but that's not cool to say.  Rhetoric can have unpleasant unintended consequences.
 
2019-02-21 10:51:16 PM  

Kalyco Jack: Keith Dudemeister: Venezuela and Colombia should unite into one country and form the world's first petro-narco-state. They would be unstoppable.

Except that Colombia has substantially lost its narco-state status since they defeated the FARK.


WE SHALL NOT BE DEFEATED !

FARKERINE!
 
2019-02-21 10:54:25 PM  

My Sober Alt: DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.

I don't think anyone could have proof without inside knowledge, but given our own government's past dealings and Elliot Abrams' involvement it's a possibility we shouldn't discount.


We are also shipping purple unicorns.  Let's not discount all possibilities.
 
2019-02-21 11:10:33 PM  

theflatline: Kalyco Jack: Keith Dudemeister: Venezuela and Colombia should unite into one country and form the world's first petro-narco-state. They would be unstoppable.

Except that Colombia has substantially lost its narco-state status since they defeated the FARK.


Except as a Colombian citizen that is not true.

Whilst I am a natural born US citizen, I am also a Colombian one, and I have lived on and off in Colombia since 1988.

While Farc got into the drug business, the old families still controlled it, and still do.

After the Pablo fiasco they got smarter.

Like the US mafia they funneled that cash into legitimate businesses. To go legit and wash the money.  Off the top of my head I can think of two.  One of the largest drugstore chains in the country electronic chains.

They have also built shopping centers and tons of commercial real estate.

Colombians now deal directly with the Mexicans and sell in bulk.  They ship to Mexico and let the Mexicans do the dirty work.   The Colombians are the Plantation Owners and the Mexicans are the Overseers.

Cocaine production is up about 35% since 2016.


I believe everything you say but I'm not sure that counts Colombia as a "narco State." Full disclosure the hubby and I took our vaca in Bogota and Medellin a few months ago: I love Colombia so much; its an epic country. I visited Cartagena as a teenager on spring break in '06. Loved it. I say that Colombia is not a Narco State because drugs are not the primary driver behind the government. Here in California I've been told (even before it was legal) that Marijuana was our state's largest cash crop. I've heard that stat about several other states, including Alabama. The fact is that drugs re lucrative, and will be until we have comprehensive drug reform that treats the issue as one of basic market economics, and a public health problem, rather than a national security one that shames drug users. Sad? Sure, but Colombia is way better off today than twenty years ago. You agree yeah?
 
2019-02-21 11:16:09 PM  

Magnus: My Sober Alt: DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.

I don't think anyone could have proof without inside knowledge, but given our own government's past dealings and Elliot Abrams' involvement it's a possibility we shouldn't discount.

We are also shipping purple unicorns.  Let's not discount all possibilities.


Ages ago there was a headline "Colombia defeats FARK" someone posted a photoshop of the Colombian military attacking the "Get a brain, moran!" guy. I laughed for days.
 
2019-02-21 11:39:11 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.


I'm going to need proof they're not, as we put Elliot Abrams, the man who previously hid weapons in aid shipment to support genocidal fascists in charge.
 
2019-02-21 11:41:10 PM  

Kalyco Jack: Magnus: My Sober Alt: DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.

I don't think anyone could have proof without inside knowledge, but given our own government's past dealings and Elliot Abrams' involvement it's a possibility we shouldn't discount.

We are also shipping purple unicorns.  Let's not discount all possibilities.

Ages ago there was a headline "Colombia defeats FARK" someone posted a photoshop of the Colombian military attacking the "Get a brain, moran!" guy. I laughed for days.


Oh, someone's gotta dig that up.  That's hilarious.
 
2019-02-21 11:44:11 PM  

Sandelaphon: DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.

I'm going to need proof they're not, as we put Elliot Abrams, the man who previously hid weapons in aid shipment to support genocidal fascists in charge.


Proof of a negative, you say?  It's like someone switched Bull for our Dan Fielding.
 
2019-02-22 12:16:51 AM  

Kalyco Jack: theflatline: Kalyco Jack: Keith Dudemeister: Venezuela and Colombia should unite into one country and form the world's first petro-narco-state. They would be unstoppable.

Except that Colombia has substantially lost its narco-state status since they defeated the FARK.


Except as a Colombian citizen that is not true.

Whilst I am a natural born US citizen, I am also a Colombian one, and I have lived on and off in Colombia since 1988.

While Farc got into the drug business, the old families still controlled it, and still do.

After the Pablo fiasco they got smarter.

Like the US mafia they funneled that cash into legitimate businesses. To go legit and wash the money.  Off the top of my head I can think of two.  One of the largest drugstore chains in the country electronic chains.

They have also built shopping centers and tons of commercial real estate.

Colombians now deal directly with the Mexicans and sell in bulk.  They ship to Mexico and let the Mexicans do the dirty work.   The Colombians are the Plantation Owners and the Mexicans are the Overseers.

Cocaine production is up about 35% since 2016.

I believe everything you say but I'm not sure that counts Colombia as a "narco State." Full disclosure the hubby and I took our vaca in Bogota and Medellin a few months ago: I love Colombia so much; its an epic country. I visited Cartagena as a teenager on spring break in '06. Loved it. I say that Colombia is not a Narco State because drugs are not the primary driver behind the government. Here in California I've been told (even before it was legal) that Marijuana was our state's largest cash crop. I've heard that stat about several other states, including Alabama. The fact is that drugs re lucrative, and will be until we have comprehensive drug reform that treats the issue as one of basic market economics, and a public health problem, rather than a national security one that shames drug users. Sad? Sure, but Colombia is way better off today than twenty years ago. You agree yeah?


You started off with "I believe everything you say," and proceeded to tell the Colombian citizen he's wrong, based on the fact that you took a vacation there.

Good lord
 
2019-02-22 12:52:06 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: "300 tonnes of aid would be shipped to Venezuela from its ally Russia."

That....is really not a lot of food aid. I hope that was a typo.


300 tons of aid is largely nothing. It is less than a single ship load. Russia largely abandoned Cuba when the communists fell, they can't support Colombia and Colombia can't pay them.
 
2019-02-22 12:52:13 AM  

TaintPunchJudy: Kalyco Jack: theflatline: Kalyco Jack: Keith Dudemeister: Venezuela and Colombia should unite into one country and form the world's first petro-narco-state. They would be unstoppable.

Except that Colombia has substantially lost its narco-state status since they defeated the FARK.


Except as a Colombian citizen that is not true.

Whilst I am a natural born US citizen, I am also a Colombian one, and I have lived on and off in Colombia since 1988.

While Farc got into the drug business, the old families still controlled it, and still do.

After the Pablo fiasco they got smarter.

Like the US mafia they funneled that cash into legitimate businesses. To go legit and wash the money.  Off the top of my head I can think of two.  One of the largest drugstore chains in the country electronic chains.

They have also built shopping centers and tons of commercial real estate.

Colombians now deal directly with the Mexicans and sell in bulk.  They ship to Mexico and let the Mexicans do the dirty work.   The Colombians are the Plantation Owners and the Mexicans are the Overseers.

Cocaine production is up about 35% since 2016.

I believe everything you say but I'm not sure that counts Colombia as a "narco State." Full disclosure the hubby and I took our vaca in Bogota and Medellin a few months ago: I love Colombia so much; its an epic country. I visited Cartagena as a teenager on spring break in '06. Loved it. I say that Colombia is not a Narco State because drugs are not the primary driver behind the government. Here in California I've been told (even before it was legal) that Marijuana was our state's largest cash crop. I've heard that stat about several other states, including Alabama. The fact is that drugs re lucrative, and will be until we have comprehensive drug reform that treats the issue as one of basic market economics, and a public health problem, rather than a national security one that shames drug users. Sad? Sure, but Colombia is way better off today than twenty years ago. You agree yeah?

You started off with "I believe everything you say," and proceeded to tell the Colombian citizen he's wrong, based on the fact that you took a vacation there.

Good lord


An appeal to authority fallacy.

Good lord.
 
2019-02-22 12:54:29 AM  

Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.


Exactly. The most frightening "food" found so far has been Mexican burritos, which is well know for causing highly explosive diarrhea.
 
2019-02-22 01:16:30 AM  

Sandelaphon: DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.

I'm going to need proof they're not, as we put Elliot Abrams, the man who previously hid weapons in aid shipment to support genocidal fascists in charge.


It's a disputed account to be sure,but it wouldn't be historically inconsistent with past U.S. policy.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nati​o​n-world/world/latin-america/article225​949200.html
 
2019-02-22 05:37:00 AM  

Magnus: happydude45: iheartscotch: I fully expect what's his face to get shot once the Venezuelan military runs out of food.

Somebody tell crazy Bernie

I'm no fan of Bernie and his looniness, but that's not cool to say.  Rhetoric can have unpleasant unintended consequences.


You didn't see where he was defending Maduro a couple of days ago?
 
2019-02-22 06:12:27 AM  

Sandelaphon: DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.

I'm going to need proof they're not, as we put Elliot Abrams, the man who previously hid weapons in aid shipment to support genocidal fascists in charge.


That's not how it works.  That's not how any of it works.  Existential negative is impossible to prove as absence of evidence does not mean evidence is absent. An extraordinary claim has been made (Some aid shipments contain weapons and explosives) and evidence is needed.
/AKA
//Put up
///or shut up
 
2019-02-22 08:14:00 AM  
Why would that stop the food....because walls don't work.
 
2019-02-22 08:28:19 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: "300 tonnes of aid would be shipped to Venezuela from its ally Russia."

That....is really not a lot of food aid. I hope that was a typo.


Let's see: 600,000 pounds is about 600,000 man-days of food, or enough for, say, 100,000 people for almost a week.

Not nothing...but you're right, it won't materially help average Venezuelans.  It will keep the army loyal to Maduro for another month, though...which I suspect was the purpose.
 
2019-02-22 08:29:57 AM  

swamp_of_dumb: An extraordinary claim has been made (Some aid shipments contain weapons and explosives) and evidence is needed.


Pity you don't apply that logic to domestic politics.
 
2019-02-22 08:33:50 AM  

TaintPunchJudy: You started off with "I believe everything you say," and proceeded to tell the Colombian citizen he's wrong, based on the fact that you took a vacation there.


I took it more like they're arguing over the definition of a narco-state, rather than disagreeing over facts on the ground.

/would love to visit Cartagena
 
2019-02-22 08:35:52 AM  

Magnus: My Sober Alt: DarkSoulNoHope: Deathfrogg: Of course, the fact that several of these "food" shipments have been trucks full of weapons and explosives have nothing to do with this.

Proof? Can't just say something and have us assume it to be true, show us a source.

I don't think anyone could have proof without inside knowledge, but given our own government's past dealings and Elliot Abrams' involvement it's a possibility we shouldn't discount.

We are also shipping purple unicorns.  Let's not discount all possibilities.


It's a long farking reach to purple unicorns...but to us in America dicking around in S. America?  Especially Abrams?

Not so much a leap, as a reasonable possibility.

Maduro needs to go, but Trump et al can easily make shiat worse down there.
 
2019-02-22 08:48:28 AM  

happydude45: Magnus: happydude45: iheartscotch: I fully expect what's his face to get shot once the Venezuelan military runs out of food.

Somebody tell crazy Bernie

I'm no fan of Bernie and his looniness, but that's not cool to say.  Rhetoric can have unpleasant unintended consequences.

You didn't see where he was defending Maduro a couple of days ago?


I did not.  No one with an ounce of respect for themselves can defend Maduro, there I conclude someone on this thread is trolling.  All Farkers have at least some modicum of self-respect according to the FAQs.
 
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