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(The Virginian-Pilot)   Companies are using fitness trackers to monitor employees in spite of privacy concerns. On the one hand, it could encourage more active employees, but on the other hand they may wonder how you manage to jog three miles while in the employee bathroom   (pilotonline.com) divider line
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2019-02-19 11:28:29 AM  
I look at people who agree to this sort of monitoring the same way I look at people who agree to let their insurance companies monitor their real-time driving in exchange for a small rate reduction. Which is to say that they deserve everything coming to them.
 
2019-02-19 11:58:34 AM  
The important thing is that the system now realizes the detrimental impact of adverse health conditions on its bottom line, after decades of absolutely not caring that easy food and automobiles and modern conveniences and desk jobs have led to widespread obesity, and is now trying to coerce and manipulate human beings into your boss cares about you and wants you to be happy.
 
2019-02-19 12:20:41 PM  
There's a reason why it's called "the runs."
 
2019-02-19 12:22:02 PM  
CSB:

I was riding in a car on a shiatty road for ~30 min bouncing all around the Jeep.

My fitness tracker said I burned 300 calories mountain biking.

/CSB
//no it didn't have a GPS tracker
///GIGO
 
2019-02-19 12:22:14 PM  
My dryer burns a lot of calories.
 
2019-02-19 12:22:38 PM  
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2019-02-19 12:22:46 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I look at people who agree to this sort of monitoring the same way I look at people who agree to let their insurance companies monitor their real-time driving in exchange for a small rate reduction. Which is to say that they deserve everything coming to them.


the fun part of that is that once you factor in the device fee, you might get to save $.25!

You think google and faceboop gather a lot of your personal data....they aint shiat compared to what insurance knows about you...all of you
 
2019-02-19 12:22:47 PM  
Well they're doing just what any upstanding business wants to do, find ways to keep track of you at all times so they can find ways to justify getting rid of you in the future and tell the unemployment an office a story that would get them out of paying as much as possible.
 
2019-02-19 12:23:27 PM  
I tried putting my fitness tracker around my cats neck in hopes of better results... i kinda forgot he's lazier than I am.
 
2019-02-19 12:25:59 PM  
Sorry. It went flying when I blew up the bathroom from having too much Taco Bell.
 
2019-02-19 12:28:59 PM  
After the National Health Emergency is declared, I expect that the monitoring devices will become mandatory.

It'll be seen as a "sensible" requirement to help keep healthcare costs "down".
 
2019-02-19 12:29:09 PM  
Companies are using fitness trackers to monitor employees in spite of privacy concerns. On the one hand, it could encourage more active employees, but on the other hand they may wonder how you manage to jog three miles while in the employee bathroom

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"That was completely legit!"
 
2019-02-19 12:30:05 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Well they're doing just what any upstanding business wants to do, find ways to keep track of you at all times so they can find ways to justify getting rid of you in the future and tell the unemployment an office a story that would get them out of paying as much as possible.


Of course paying you more so you can afford better preventative healthcare and give you better hours so you have time off to go to the gym and/or exercise doesn't factor in to their decisions.
"Well you were at the office till 2 AM that day, that can't be healthy, we're getting rid of you because you don't put in enough effort in staying healthy per that FitBit we gave you!" - "But my supervisor had me stay that long, I was doing a presentation at 9 AM that morning!" - "Well tell it to the unemployment office, we don't want shiftless layabouts around here!"
 
2019-02-19 12:32:45 PM  
Step 1: attach said fitness tracker to a young dog or child

Step 2: there is no step 2
 
2019-02-19 12:34:22 PM  

King Something: There's a reason why it's called "the runs."


Oh, honey...
 
2019-02-19 12:36:12 PM  

Destructor: After the National Health Emergency is declared, I expect that the monitoring devices will become mandatory.

It'll be seen as a "sensible" requirement to help keep healthcare costs "down".


Once you get past the taste of sarcasm, the truth of this statement is evident.
 
2019-02-19 12:38:43 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I look at people who agree to this sort of monitoring the same way I look at people who agree to let their insurance companies monitor their real-time driving in exchange for a small rate reduction. Which is to say that they deserve everything coming to them.


I got an offer from my auto insurance company to have one of those devices installed right nest to my steering wheel ( OCR port?).  Took me a second, but I "noped" out of that offer.   Too "Big Brother" / Soviet-like for me...
 
2019-02-19 12:39:27 PM  
Subby's giving me a lot more credit than I deserve. 3 miles? maybe after a glass or two of wine.
 
2019-02-19 12:40:50 PM  
10,000 steps here I come!

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2019-02-19 12:41:07 PM  
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2019-02-19 12:41:59 PM  

Ben Enya: Subby's giving me a lot more credit than I deserve. 3 miles? maybe after a glass or two of wine.


I find I have more stamina on company time than when on personal time
 
2019-02-19 12:42:15 PM  
At my company you can volunteerily wear a variety of fitness trackers and, if you meet goals, get a few hundred dollars discount on health insurance. I use a fit bit. It only tracks steps. No GPS or anything else. I save some money doing what I'd be doing anyway.

I wouldn't trust anything with GPS.
 
2019-02-19 12:43:11 PM  
Wow, the whole department has really kicked up their exercise regimens!

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2019-02-19 12:43:14 PM  
My wife used to leave her Fitbit next to a fan on the bedside table. When the fan was on, she'd rack up 30000 steps before breakfast
 
2019-02-19 12:46:52 PM  
While some employees might find this real-time feedback intrusive, Zubko, 51, said he is unfazed. "He's a real motivator,'' Zubko said after getting off the phone with Gono.

"I am not about to trash the guy who signs my paychecks and subsidized my triple-bypass in a story in the national media."
 
2019-02-19 12:47:25 PM  
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2019-02-19 12:51:05 PM  
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2019-02-19 12:51:07 PM  
Every day there are five or six fitness trackers resting on the polisher in the shop.
 
2019-02-19 12:53:12 PM  

big pig peaches: At my company you can volunteerily wear a variety of fitness trackers and, if you meet goals, get a few hundred dollars discount on health insurance. I use a fit bit. It only tracks steps. No GPS or anything else. I save some money doing what I'd be doing anyway.

I wouldn't trust anything with GPS.


So you don't have a smart phone?

If you could travel back in time to the NSA 20 years ago and tell them that one day everyone would carry around a device that:

A) uniquely identifies them and is with them most of the time
B) has a microphone and a camera built-in
C) has very accurate GPS
D) is connected to the internet all the time
E) is loaded with software that has EULAs that nobody reads
F) is used to upload personal information about themselves
G) reveals the users; interests and buying habits
H) and the real kicker: people will pay for the privilege of having it.

Nobody back then would believe it.
 
2019-02-19 12:55:29 PM  
FTFA "Man! I noticed your steps have picked up,'' gushed Wayne Gono, 65, whose family operates Regal Plastics, a small fabrication business with satellite shops around Texas. "You used to be under 2,000, now you're over 6,000. Two times you worked out this week. Good!''

The trackers aren't the problem.  It's that the guys boss who has access to the data that is the problem.  Encouraging better behavior is a good thing but it should be done by a third party with strict controls in place and your shiatty boss banned from ever seeing it.
 
2019-02-19 12:57:57 PM  

Persnickety: big pig peaches: At my company you can volunteerily wear a variety of fitness trackers and, if you meet goals, get a few hundred dollars discount on health insurance. I use a fit bit. It only tracks steps. No GPS or anything else. I save some money doing what I'd be doing anyway.

I wouldn't trust anything with GPS.

So you don't have a smart phone?

If you could travel back in time to the NSA 20 years ago and tell them that one day everyone would carry around a device that:

A) uniquely identifies them and is with them most of the time
B) has a microphone and a camera built-in
C) has very accurate GPS
D) is connected to the internet all the time
E) is loaded with software that has EULAs that nobody reads
F) is used to upload personal information about themselves
G) reveals the users; interests and buying habits
H) and the real kicker: people will pay for the privilege of having it.

Nobody back then would believe it.


I remember the radio station in Grand Theft Auto III, where the paranoid conspiracy theorist calls in and makes the outrageous claim that the NSA is reading your emails, or how the movie Enemy of the State was considered impossibly outrageous at the time of its release.

The only remaining question is how MUCH Mark Zuckerberg loves me, and I'm guessing he'll have the algorithms written up soon enough.
 
2019-02-19 01:10:35 PM  
As soon as Obamacare took effect, my employer jumped head first into one of those "optionally mandatory" bullshiat wellness programs. If you participated, you got a "discount" on your insurance rates, which meant that you got to keep paying the rate you previously paid. If you didn't participate, your rate tripled. Back then, it was fairly inobtrusive; they checked your blood pressure and BMI and sent you a report based on your results. We all knew it wouldn't last and that each year would get more and more invasive.

This year, they're up to tracking blood pressure, BMI, blood sugar, cholesterol, and nicotine usage. And with weed being leagalized more and more, we're expecting annual drug tests to be added in next. They also added a points system, so all those measurables now need to be within certain ranges (that they pull out of their ass and some are deliberately impossible to meet) to earn points, and only if you get enough "points" do you get the full "discount."

Of course, this is all done for "our benefit."
 
2019-02-19 01:12:13 PM  

chitownmike: Forbidden Doughnut: Pocket Ninja: I look at people who agree to this sort of monitoring the same way I look at people who agree to let their insurance companies monitor their real-time driving in exchange for a small rate reduction. Which is to say that they deserve everything coming to them.

I got an offer from my auto insurance company to have one of those devices installed right nest to my steering wheel ( OCR port?).  Took me a second, but I "noped" out of that offer.   Too "Big Brother" / Soviet-like for me...

Following the law isn't hard


You've committed seven felonies today.
 
2019-02-19 01:12:59 PM  

Mister Buttons: I tried putting my fitness tracker around my cats neck in hopes of better results... i kinda forgot he's lazier than I am.


Just as good: hang it from a tree branch, wind chime, or on a flexible stick in front of an oscillating fan. You'll get a workout but not look too far out of an expected range.

#knowyourworkarounds
 
2019-02-19 01:13:09 PM  

chitownmike: Forbidden Doughnut: Pocket Ninja: I look at people who agree to this sort of monitoring the same way I look at people who agree to let their insurance companies monitor their real-time driving in exchange for a small rate reduction. Which is to say that they deserve everything coming to them.

I got an offer from my auto insurance company to have one of those devices installed right nest to my steering wheel ( OCR port?).  Took me a second, but I "noped" out of that offer.   Too "Big Brother" / Soviet-like for me...

Following the law isn't hard


You shouldn't mind this officer of the law riding shotgun then on every trip from now on.  By the way, we've noticed from what your car's diagnostic port says that you like to change the music alot, and listen to it very loud.  We're concerned about that, and are going to raise your premium by $50/month.  Oh... We also noticed that you use cruise control for long stretches... We're going to need another $50/month.

You're changing insurance companies?  Cool.  We'll transfer your data history to the new one as soon as possible.
 
2019-02-19 01:13:15 PM  

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Well that gentlemen is clearly senior management material with his 15 years of project development experience, which include day-to-day responsibilities like project management, team oversight, daily briefings, core strategy development, business intelligence analysis, and elevated account communication.

He should be able to whip those eager young unpaid interns into shape.
 
2019-02-19 01:14:51 PM  

Dick Gozinya: As soon as Obamacare took effect, my employer jumped head first into one of those "optionally mandatory" bullshiat wellness programs. If you participated, you got a "discount" on your insurance rates, which meant that you got to keep paying the rate you previously paid. If you didn't participate, your rate tripled. Back then, it was fairly inobtrusive; they checked your blood pressure and BMI and sent you a report based on your results. We all knew it wouldn't last and that each year would get more and more invasive.

This year, they're up to tracking blood pressure, BMI, blood sugar, cholesterol, and nicotine usage. And with weed being leagalized more and more, we're expecting annual drug tests to be added in next. They also added a points system, so all those measurables now need to be within certain ranges (that they pull out of their ass and some are deliberately impossible to meet) to earn points, and only if you get enough "points" do you get the full "discount."

Of course, this is all done for "our benefit."


Do you work for Cooper Farms?
 
2019-02-19 01:16:11 PM  
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We never dealt with domestic. With us, it was always war.
We won the war. Now we're fighting
the peace. It's a lot more volatile.
We've got ten million crackpots out
there with sniper scopes, sarin gas and C- 4.
Ten-year-olds go on the Net, downloading
encryption we can barely break,
not to mention instructions on how
to make a low-yield nuclear device.
Privacy's been dead for years
because we can't risk it.
The only privacy that's left is the
inside of your head. Maybe that's enough.
You think we're the enemy of democracy?
We're democracy's last hope.
 
2019-02-19 01:23:12 PM  

chitownmike: BgJonson79: chitownmike: Forbidden Doughnut: Pocket Ninja: I look at people who agree to this sort of monitoring the same way I look at people who agree to let their insurance companies monitor their real-time driving in exchange for a small rate reduction. Which is to say that they deserve everything coming to them.

I got an offer from my auto insurance company to have one of those devices installed right nest to my steering wheel ( OCR port?).  Took me a second, but I "noped" out of that offer.   Too "Big Brother" / Soviet-like for me...

Following the law isn't hard

You've committed seven felonies today.

Nope, haven't done anything but walk to the doctor and stop at the store on the way home.
/May have jaywalked but they don't even write tickets for that


Sorry, my mistake...

Most of us commit three a day.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.mic.co​m​/articles/amp/51551/most-americans-com​mit-three-felonies-a-day-and-here-s-wh​at-happens-if-they-get-caught
 
2019-02-19 01:24:20 PM  

Persnickety: big pig peaches: At my company you can volunteerily wear a variety of fitness trackers and, if you meet goals, get a few hundred dollars discount on health insurance. I use a fit bit. It only tracks steps. No GPS or anything else. I save some money doing what I'd be doing anyway.

I wouldn't trust anything with GPS.

So you don't have a smart phone?

If you could travel back in time to the NSA 20 years ago and tell them that one day everyone would carry around a device that:

A) uniquely identifies them and is with them most of the time
B) has a microphone and a camera built-in
C) has very accurate GPS
D) is connected to the internet all the time
E) is loaded with software that has EULAs that nobody reads
F) is used to upload personal information about themselves
G) reveals the users; interests and buying habits
H) and the real kicker: people will pay for the privilege of having it.

Nobody back then would believe it. The sticky mess on the floors would take weeks to clean up.

 
2019-02-19 01:26:02 PM  
The trick to avoiding recording teh whackin' on your heart rate monitor/smartwatch is to make sure not to put the watch on your whackin' wrist.

My Fitbit Ionic has a setting that asks whether the watch is on the "non-dominant wrist" or the "whackin' wrist".
 
2019-02-19 01:26:09 PM  

Dick Gozinya: As soon as Obamacare took effect, my employer jumped head first into one of those "optionally mandatory" bullshiat wellness programs. If you participated, you got a "discount" on your insurance rates, which meant that you got to keep paying the rate you previously paid. If you didn't participate, your rate tripled. Back then, it was fairly inobtrusive; they checked your blood pressure and BMI and sent you a report based on your results. We all knew it wouldn't last and that each year would get more and more invasive.

This year, they're up to tracking blood pressure, BMI, blood sugar, cholesterol, and nicotine usage. And with weed being leagalized more and more, we're expecting annual drug tests to be added in next. They also added a points system, so all those measurables now need to be within certain ranges (that they pull out of their ass and some are deliberately impossible to meet) to earn points, and only if you get enough "points" do you get the full "discount."



Things you type are true. You have a great reputation here.

LOL
 
2019-02-19 01:27:35 PM  

Persnickety: big pig peaches: At my company you can volunteerily wear a variety of fitness trackers and, if you meet goals, get a few hundred dollars discount on health insurance. I use a fit bit. It only tracks steps. No GPS or anything else. I save some money doing what I'd be doing anyway.

I wouldn't trust anything with GPS.

So you don't have a smart phone?

If you could travel back in time to the NSA 20 years ago and tell them that one day everyone would carry around a device that:

A) uniquely identifies them and is with them most of the time
B) has a microphone and a camera built-in
C) has very accurate GPS
D) is connected to the internet all the time
E) is loaded with software that has EULAs that nobody reads
F) is used to upload personal information about themselves
G) reveals the users; interests and buying habits
H) and the real kicker: people will pay for the privilege of having it.

Nobody back then would believe it.


Depends on who wrote the book.   That honestly sounds RIGHT OUT OF Philip K Dick or John Brunner.

If one of *them* put it in a book it'd have that "scarily prescient" vibe to it.
 
2019-02-19 01:28:28 PM  

Mike_LowELL: The important thing is that the system now realizes the detrimental impact of adverse health conditions on its bottom line, after decades of absolutely not caring that easy food and automobiles and modern conveniences and desk jobs have led to widespread obesity, and is now trying to coerce and manipulate human beings into your boss cares about you and wants you to be happy.


Hopefully one day, one day, they'll realize that also goes for mental health as well.
 
2019-02-19 01:29:54 PM  
For what it's worth, my employer actually *does* give a fark whether I'm healthy and happy.  On those occasions when my mental health has slipped a bit (severe depression, seeing Monsters from the Id around me at inopportune times, periodically having an uncontrollable compulsion to dig), they've *encouraged* me to take a week or two off, even if in so doing they were missing out on a chance to book a few thousand dollars of billable effort.

tl;dr some employees are sensible enough to NOT be penny-wise and pound-foolish
 
2019-02-19 01:31:13 PM  

Resident Muslim: Mike_LowELL: The important thing is that the system now realizes the detrimental impact of adverse health conditions on its bottom line, after decades of absolutely not caring that easy food and automobiles and modern conveniences and desk jobs have led to widespread obesity, and is now trying to coerce and manipulate human beings into your boss cares about you and wants you to be happy.

Hopefully one day, one day, they'll realize that also goes for mental health as well.


My employer kicks ass in that regard.

And I think we're starting to see more employers having that perspective.

(Former board member of NAMI VT here.)
 
2019-02-19 01:31:41 PM  
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2019-02-19 01:35:52 PM  

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Gnome Man's Land.
 
2019-02-19 01:37:19 PM  

chitownmike: Dick Gozinya: As soon as Obamacare took effect, my employer jumped head first into one of those "optionally mandatory" bullshiat wellness programs. If you participated, you got a "discount" on your insurance rates, which meant that you got to keep paying the rate you previously paid. If you didn't participate, your rate tripled. Back then, it was fairly inobtrusive; they checked your blood pressure and BMI and sent you a report based on your results. We all knew it wouldn't last and that each year would get more and more invasive.

This year, they're up to tracking blood pressure, BMI, blood sugar, cholesterol, and nicotine usage. And with weed being leagalized more and more, we're expecting annual drug tests to be added in next. They also added a points system, so all those measurables now need to be within certain ranges (that they pull out of their ass and some are deliberately impossible to meet) to earn points, and only if you get enough "points" do you get the full "discount."

Of course, this is all done for "our benefit."

Health insurance companies have been requiring testing for all those things since long before Obama took office


Maybe, but none of this shiat started with any of my employers until Obamacare took effect. And before you get your ass in a knot, I'm not passing any judgement on Obama or Obamacare. I'm simply saying that Obamacare taking effect was the genesis of the bullshiat "wellness program" put in place by my employer. So, calm your tits.
 
2019-02-19 01:38:00 PM  

Another Government Employee: Destructor: After the National Health Emergency is declared, I expect that the monitoring devices will become mandatory.

It'll be seen as a "sensible" requirement to help keep healthcare costs "down".

Once you get past the taste of sarcasm, the truth of this statement is evident.


What we should do is charge smokers what they're really costing the healthcare industry.

/runs
//because I've never seen a smoker who had a decent sense of humor
///runs even faster
 
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