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2019-02-17 08:15:35 AM  
Even Darwin can't believe these idiots exist...

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2019-02-17 08:41:03 AM  
Didn't we have someone who tried living on air a while back?  It didn't work out for them, and they didn't even have cancer.
 
2019-02-17 08:42:20 AM  
Gotta love it!
 
2019-02-17 08:42:26 AM  
Their opinion is just as valid as science. Murica.
 
2019-02-17 08:43:05 AM  
Is it really so wrong ethically to be able to tell people like this that " if you do this you will die, it will be painful and you will be remembered for dying stupid"
 
2019-02-17 08:44:58 AM  
The problem with having all the world's information at your fingertips is that you also have all the world's misinformation at your fingertips, and the schools (and I mean all of them, from the worst ghetto public school to the most elite private academy) have no idea how to equip you to tell what's what.
 
2019-02-17 08:46:30 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Didn't we have someone who tried living on air a while back?  It didn't work out for them, and they didn't even have cancer.


Hey! I live on air, it's been working quite well for me.

Granted, I take supplements, but still - mostly air.
 
2019-02-17 08:50:25 AM  
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2019-02-17 08:51:46 AM  

Heavy Metal Nixon: Is it really so wrong ethically to be able to tell people like this that " if you do this you will die, it will be painful and you will be remembered for dying stupid"


I think they could still yet serve future generations...
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You have to look for the silver linings in life sometimes.
 
2019-02-17 08:54:17 AM  
Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm pretty sure I was born with a finite amount of empathy. The well seems to have run dry.
 
2019-02-17 08:56:15 AM  

Katolu: Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm pretty sure I was born with a finite amount of empathy. The well seems to have run dry.


That's a shame.
 
2019-02-17 08:59:08 AM  
It's not that hard to understand. People with cancer are emotional and desperate. Real doctors don't guarantee a cure. The quacks do. They're lying, but it doesn't matter.

Never underestimate the power of belief. When all someone has to offer is confidence, and the patient wants confidence, then confidence is enough. It worked for Reagan back in '80 and it worked for Donald Trump in 2016.
 
2019-02-17 08:59:36 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Didn't we have someone who tried living on air a while back?  It didn't work out for them, and they didn't even have cancer.


Don't forget the people that think they can live on nothing but sunshine.
Eventually they'll all die off and we'll stop seeing these stories. What will fark do when all the stupid people are gone?
 
2019-02-17 09:00:37 AM  
The story sounds exaggerated, and the doctor sounds like a self-promoting asshole. "As an oncologist..." You just know she goes through daily life with a stethoscope around her neck.
 
2019-02-17 09:02:13 AM  

abhorrent1: Marcus Aurelius: Didn't we have someone who tried living on air a while back?  It didn't work out for them, and they didn't even have cancer.

Don't forget the people that think they can live on nothing but sunshine.
Eventually they'll all die off and we'll stop seeing these stories. What will fark do when all the stupid people are gone?


I don't like our odds, if its one thing that Idiocracy got on the nose its that stupid people breed far more frequently then smart people and with all these bubble-wrapped kid protecting rules we can't rely on them getting knocked out of the gene pool for being stupid nearly as often as they used to.
 
2019-02-17 09:04:33 AM  
I kind of get it.  Chemo is really, really hard on the body, and painful.  They want out of chemo, but don't want to die at the same time.  Reason goes out the window.
 
2019-02-17 09:04:36 AM  
One of my dad's oldest friends went the "natural" route when diagnosed with cancer. By the time he figured it was time to give conventional medicine a chance, it was too late. He died when his adopted daughter was about 6.
 
2019-02-17 09:05:14 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Heavy Metal Nixon: Is it really so wrong ethically to be able to tell people like this that " if you do this you will die, it will be painful and you will be remembered for dying stupid"

I think they could still yet serve future generations...
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You have to look for the silver linings in life sometimes.


I like to think that things happen for a reason also.   I believe that 'alternative therapies' are a gov COINTELPRO op to encourage stupid people to off themselves so the rich don't have to be taxed to pay for their medical care.   I also believe that skin ink and the made up ghetto/trailer names people give their kids are a conspiracy to make dumbshiats easier to identify by law enforcement.
 
2019-02-17 09:06:14 AM  
This dovetails nicely with TFA upthread about the mom who after 15 years needed 18 months of reason to get vaccinated.
 
2019-02-17 09:06:57 AM  

Nogale: One of my dad's oldest friends went the "natural" route when diagnosed with cancer. By the time he figured it was time to give conventional medicine a chance, it was too late. He died when his adopted daughter was about 6.


Whoops!
 
2019-02-17 09:07:20 AM  
Darwin in action. I'm sorry for their families, but we're over-populated as it is, and we're better off without people so easily gulled.
 
2019-02-17 09:07:22 AM  

abhorrent1: Marcus Aurelius: Didn't we have someone who tried living on air a while back?  It didn't work out for them, and they didn't even have cancer.

Don't forget the people that think they can live on nothing but sunshine.
Eventually they'll all die off and we'll stop seeing these stories. What will fark do when all the stupid people are gone?


Nah, they won't die out, because the people peddling the nonsense aren't the people using the nonsense. They live actual healthy lives, use paid sockpuppet accounts to flood five star reviews on their products and bury negative reviews, so new stooges are hooked at least as fast as the old ones die off. If the balance ever turns the other way, they move on to the next clean hook.
 
2019-02-17 09:10:45 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Didn't we have someone who tried living on air a while back?  It didn't work out for them, and they didn't even have cancer.


I inhale the light of the Sun, the beams of the Moon, the breath of the wind. I live on the acent of daffodils.

/but then, I'm a noted metaphysician
//philosopher
///and podiatrist
 
2019-02-17 09:12:29 AM  
The only thing I have to say about those people is I hope they're organ donors, brains excluded
 
2019-02-17 09:15:04 AM  

pdieten: It's not that hard to understand. People with cancer are emotional and desperate. Real doctors don't guarantee a cure. The quacks do. They're lying, but it doesn't matter.

Never underestimate the power of belief. When all someone has to offer is confidence, and the patient wants confidence, then confidence is enough. It worked for Reagan back in '80 and it worked for Donald Trump in 2016.


I don't get the people that push this crap. How to you look someone in the eye and tell them they should do this stuff knowing full well that they're going to die because of you just to get a tiny commission on a bottle of worthless supplements. How do they live with themselves?
 
2019-02-17 09:15:20 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: The story sounds exaggerated, and the doctor sounds like a self-promoting asshole. "As an oncologist..." You just know she goes through daily life with a stethoscope around her neck.


I'm sorry she made fun of your crystals. 

(BTW, this is not exaggerated in the least. I see bullshiat like this on a daily basis.)
 
2019-02-17 09:15:56 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: The story sounds exaggerated, and the doctor sounds like a self-promoting asshole. "As an oncologist..." You just know she goes through daily life with a stethoscope around her neck.


Is it your contention, oncologists are not real doctors somehow? Or that a doctor who specializes in CANCER TREATMENT wouldn't get these kinds of patients?

Or what?
 
2019-02-17 09:16:38 AM  

Heavy Metal Nixon: Is it really so wrong ethically to be able to tell people like this that " if you do this you will die, it will be painful and you will be remembered for dying stupid"


At least Steve Jobs admitted that he had made a mistake trying alternative methods shortly before he died.
 
2019-02-17 09:19:24 AM  

IlGreven: The problem with having all the world's information at your fingertips is that you also have all the world's misinformation at your fingertips, and the schools (and I mean all of them, from the worst ghetto public school to the most elite private academy) have no idea how to equip you to tell what's what.


I agree partially with you, but the school's could totally teach kid's and young adults how to tell information from misinformation.  They don't, because even assuming your religion is the right one, that means all the other religions out there are just institutions of misinformation.  If we aggressively taught people how to tell fakery from truth, it would be the end of religion, and the religion industry knows this.  Also see why we rarely teach evolution in school, and why most kids in America don't learn about logical fallacies until their first year in college.  It is also why we spend so much time telling doctors, educators, and intellectuals that they have to be so respectful of belief, because even though nothing of value is gained by faith, we have to make sure those who can enlighten against it, are punished for doing so.
 
2019-02-17 09:19:29 AM  
Ranjana's keepin' it real out in these streets.
Good on her.
 
2019-02-17 09:19:47 AM  
Been treating cancer for 15 years.  Seen this more than once. You tell them try homeopath and modern medicine together, if they insist on coffee enemas and prayer you tell them it won't work and they will die painfully.

/they all come back to modern medicine
//back with incurable stage IV
 
2019-02-17 09:23:48 AM  

stuhayes2010: Been treating cancer for 15 years.  Seen this more than once. You tell them try homeopath and modern medicine together, if they insist on coffee enemas and prayer you tell them it won't work and they will die painfully.

/they all come back to modern medicine
//back with incurable stage IV


Magical thinking is a protection of sorts.  If I can goji-berry the bad cells away, then I wasn't really that sick to begin with.

Unfortunately wishing it were so don't make it so.

My cousin had surgery and chemo to defeat a cancerous brain tumor.  She went on to be a certified alternative medicine nutjob.   Despite her life having been saved by modern medicine. The stupid!!!
 
2019-02-17 09:24:31 AM  
There ought to be an option to put people like this at the very end of the list for all but palliative care when they come back later, and they should stay at the bottom of the list until every other legitimate patient has been helped, including any that come in after them while they wait.

If you're going to guarantee that your problem will get worse and harder and more expensive to treat, it's not fair to those patients seeking honest help that you should be able to come back later and take resources away after the fact.
 
2019-02-17 09:26:34 AM  

abhorrent1: pdieten: It's not that hard to understand. People with cancer are emotional and desperate. Real doctors don't guarantee a cure. The quacks do. They're lying, but it doesn't matter.

Never underestimate the power of belief. When all someone has to offer is confidence, and the patient wants confidence, then confidence is enough. It worked for Reagan back in '80 and it worked for Donald Trump in 2016.

I don't get the people that push this crap. How to you look someone in the eye and tell them they should do this stuff knowing full well that they're going to die because of you just to get a tiny commission on a bottle of worthless supplements. How do they live with themselves?


Socialist-like typing detected. Don't you believe in the free market and the mandate of the Almighty to make as much money as you can? Or are you some kind of communist?
 
2019-02-17 09:26:41 AM  

IlGreven: The problem with having all the world's information at your fingertips is that you also have all the world's misinformation at your fingertips, and the schools (and I mean all of them, from the worst ghetto public school to the most elite private academy) have no idea how to equip you to tell what's what.


I wholeheartedly disagree that schools have no idea how to equip students so that they don't become victim to misinformation. In fact, it is addressed regularly. Professor after professor will address what does and does not qualify as genuine evidence, what to look out for when new evidence is presented, and where to go and the types of questions to ask when researching any important topic.
The problem is, many people choose not to listen. Almost everyone takes the easy route, and instead listen to a couple of claims from a quack of their choosing because it requires little effort and tells them what they want to hear.
It is hardly an issue of improper education; this is a much larger societal issue. We are living in a society in which education, reason, and hard work are becoming increasingly and systematically devalued. This is being encouraged at the highest levels in our class system; an educated middle class has always been the greatest threat to the elite.
 
2019-02-17 09:29:32 AM  
The only excuse a US citizen has for fooling them self to try this path is because of the inability to handle the costs associated with legitimate medicine.  Sadly universal healthcare isn't a silver bullet to eradicate con-based products but it really does cut down on the number of excuses not to stick out the best way.
 
2019-02-17 09:30:29 AM  
I don't believe in crystals and I think oncologists are real doctors. The doctor in this article, however, seems more intent on fluffing up herself. I live beside a hospital full of specialist doctors, many of whom make self-promotion they're whole game. That's how this story reads.
 
2019-02-17 09:32:49 AM  
It's a form of mental illness.  People talk themselves into odd beliefs because they can be part of a club, they then identify themselves as part of that club, and value being part of that club more than they value any evidence presented outside of their club.

Religion, fad diets, extremist politics, etc.  These people are just susceptible to shady marketing and scammers, and willfully ignore any evidence to that makes their group look foolish.  They become very passionate about their particular idiocy.

- Hiking on the Appalachian Trail...  Some old Hippy lady asked what we used for tick protection. I went over the amazing effectiveness, and low environmental impact of permethrin treated clothing.  Some young guy (hiking with his wife, who was not present at the time) said his wife made an essential oils mix, that he wore to make her happy, but it burned his skin, and attracted more ticks.  The old Hippie lady went full scale "yes, essential oils are wonderful!"  Did you not hear the part about "more ticks!?"  Baffling.
 
2019-02-17 09:34:20 AM  
I used to temporarily do customer service for a home shopping network. We were selling either Serovital or some Consult Beaute item and the customer told me they were taking those supplements and declined any cancer treatment from their oncologist. I urged her to talk with her doctor about what she was taking and she blew me off.

I'm guessing she's dead now anyway.
 
2019-02-17 09:39:37 AM  

Katolu: Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm pretty sure I was born with a finite amount of empathy. The well seems to have run dry.


If I can relate to someone who has no empathy, is that empathy or apathy?
 
2019-02-17 09:39:56 AM  

Por que tan serioso: Katolu: Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm pretty sure I was born with a finite amount of empathy. The well seems to have run dry.

That's a shame.


It is. It really is.
 
2019-02-17 09:43:04 AM  

evanate: Katolu: Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm pretty sure I was born with a finite amount of empathy. The well seems to have run dry.

If I can relate to someone who has no empathy, is that empathy or apathy?


Not sure if snark, but it is a thought provoking question.
 
2019-02-17 09:43:04 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: The story sounds exaggerated, and the doctor sounds like a self-promoting asshole. "As an oncologist..." You just know she goes through daily life with a stethoscope around her neck.


I work out on the weekends with a couple doctors, including an oncologist. The stories that happen are worse than this pretty regularly. And anti-vax/homeopathy/natural-healing shenanigans are literally killing people daily.
 
2019-02-17 09:43:55 AM  
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2019-02-17 09:45:11 AM  

abhorrent1: Marcus Aurelius: Didn't we have someone who tried living on air a while back?  It didn't work out for them, and they didn't even have cancer.

Don't forget the people that think they can live on nothing but sunshine.
Eventually they'll all die off and we'll stop seeing these stories. What will fark do when all the stupid people are gone?


The problem with your premise is you're not taking into account that said "stupid" people have kids.

"Dumb people raise dumb kids."
a quote from my grandmother
 
2019-02-17 09:46:03 AM  

abhorrent1: pdieten: It's not that hard to understand. People with cancer are emotional and desperate. Real doctors don't guarantee a cure. The quacks do. They're lying, but it doesn't matter.

Never underestimate the power of belief. When all someone has to offer is confidence, and the patient wants confidence, then confidence is enough. It worked for Reagan back in '80 and it worked for Donald Trump in 2016.

I don't get the people that push this crap. How to you look someone in the eye and tell them they should do this stuff knowing full well that they're going to die because of you just to get a tiny commission on a bottle of worthless supplements. How do they live with themselves?


Some quacks are outright conmen, but many are true believers. Look at all the anti-vaxxers. They genuinely believe that shiat. It's religious thinking mixed with faux "medicine".
 
2019-02-17 09:50:28 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: I don't believe in crystals and I think oncologists are real doctors. The doctor in this article, however, seems more intent on fluffing up herself. I live beside a hospital full of specialist doctors, many of whom make self-promotion they're whole game. That's how this story reads.


Because we have a health system where curing patients is good. But bringing more money and donors to the hospital is better, because capitalism money private freedom.
 
2019-02-17 09:58:26 AM  
Idiots are those who believe they have enough intelligence to form their own thoughts. "Thanks to the rise of social media, the ability to filter out conflicting viewpoints and a bevy of supporters for every outrageous idea, these people arrive convinced about their theories."
 
2019-02-17 09:58:57 AM  

Man On A Mission: Even Darwin can't believe these idiots exist...

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They don't.... for very long.

I guess nature is still finding a way to control the population even though we have found ways to fight nature.
 
2019-02-17 09:59:32 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Their opinion is just as valid as science. Murica.


Unfortunately this is a a worldwide problem.
 
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