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(The Planetary Society)   Congress just gave NASA $1.608 billion more than the White House requested for its largest budget in a decade. Sad: $450 million for the Cis Lunar Gateway. Just farking land already   (planetary.org) divider line
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2019-02-16 03:56:56 PM  
Why not just attach a huge mofo booster to ISS and move it to lunar orbit? I can just hardly contain my self over yet another orbiting space station.
 
2019-02-16 04:06:32 PM  

edmo: Why not just attach a huge mofo booster to ISS and move it to lunar orbit? I can just hardly contain my self over yet another orbiting space station.


Worked for Deep Space Nine
 
2019-02-16 04:09:30 PM  

edmo: Why not just attach a huge mofo booster to ISS and move it to lunar orbit? I can just hardly contain my self over yet another orbiting space station.


stresses would be too high. Not enough trusses.
 
2019-02-16 06:55:37 PM  
Cis Lunar Gateway > Incel Venus Probe
 
2019-02-16 07:19:32 PM  

edmo: Why not just attach a huge mofo booster to ISS and move it to lunar orbit?


We require more vespene gas.
 
2019-02-16 07:24:09 PM  
Is that like cis gender?
 
2019-02-16 07:29:19 PM  
Apollo demonstrated that there is zero need for intermediate stops to land on the moon. That hasn't changed. Intermediate stops aren't needed to reach anywhere else in the solar system, either. The only relevant science in the vicinity of the moon would need a base ON the moon, not orbiting the moon. There is nothing that can be done in lunar orbit that can't be accomplished on the ISS in LEO. This is yet another NASA boondoggle.
 
2019-02-16 07:46:12 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: Apollo demonstrated that there is zero need for intermediate stops to land on the moon. That hasn't changed. Intermediate stops aren't needed to reach anywhere else in the solar system, either. The only relevant science in the vicinity of the moon would need a base ON the moon, not orbiting the moon. There is nothing that can be done in lunar orbit that can't be accomplished on the ISS in LEO. This is yet another NASA boondoggle.


No, this isn't NASA's fault. This is all on Shelby forcing NASA to justify the SLS so the pork keeps flowing to his district. He's basically said "do it my way or no budget".
 
2019-02-16 07:47:18 PM  

Gubbo: edmo: Why not just attach a huge mofo booster to ISS and move it to lunar orbit? I can just hardly contain my self over yet another orbiting space station.

Worked for Deep Space Nine


Not without pissing off O'Brien first.

DS9 Moves.wmv
Youtube vX7Tm33gz_Y
 
2019-02-16 08:12:03 PM  
Ok, suspicious me wonders: extra budget money as the rich lobby knows that we've screwed up earth and need to get off eventually and want the tech so they can.  Welcome to Elysium?
 
2019-02-16 08:13:44 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: Apollo demonstrated that there is zero need for intermediate stops to land on the moon. That hasn't changed. Intermediate stops aren't needed to reach anywhere else in the solar system, either. The only relevant science in the vicinity of the moon would need a base ON the moon, not orbiting the moon. There is nothing that can be done in lunar orbit that can't be accomplished on the ISS in LEO. This is yet another NASA boondoggle.


The Orion service module can't make low lunar orbit and back.  They're taking the "three lefts" approach to making a right.
 
2019-02-16 08:19:47 PM  

sitesmithscott: Ok, suspicious me wonders: extra budget money as the rich lobby knows that we've screwed up earth and need to get off eventually and want the tech so they can.  Welcome to Elysium?


Any tech sufficient to allow us to live on another planet is sufficient to live on Earth even if it were turned into a barren wasteland. No need to leave the planet.
 
2019-02-16 08:39:07 PM  
The lunar gateway will be the jumping off point for extended missions to the outer planets, new telescopes, asteroid capture missions and potentially a manned Mars mission.
 
2019-02-16 08:58:48 PM  

edmo: Why not just attach a huge mofo booster to ISS and move it to lunar orbit? I can just hardly contain my self over yet another orbiting space station.


Why limit yourself to Lunar Orbit?
Valerian Opening Scene FHD - Alpha Station Origin - Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
Youtube u0FX8sd1uVo
 
2019-02-16 09:17:43 PM  

stuhayes2010: Is that like cis gender?


Yes. 'cis' and 'trans' come from terms for molecular structures, particularly isomers.
 
2019-02-16 10:20:15 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: sitesmithscott: Ok, suspicious me wonders: extra budget money as the rich lobby knows that we've screwed up earth and need to get off eventually and want the tech so they can.  Welcome to Elysium?

Any tech sufficient to allow us to live on another planet is sufficient to live on Earth even if it were turned into a barren wasteland. No need to leave the planet.


That is the hope, and to have the tech to clean this one up as well and still explore other places.
 
2019-02-16 10:27:06 PM  
NASA's New Plans To Land Humans On The Moon In 10 Years
Youtube _I4iUf7l5DA
 
2019-02-16 10:41:00 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: sitesmithscott: Ok, suspicious me wonders: extra budget money as the rich lobby knows that we've screwed up earth and need to get off eventually and want the tech so they can.  Welcome to Elysium?

Any tech sufficient to allow us to live on another planet is sufficient to live on Earth even if it were turned into a barren wasteland. No need to leave the planet.


There is at least one scenario where another planet would be preferable - a sufficiently large object on a collision course that would turn the entire crust of earth to molten lava.
 
2019-02-16 10:57:13 PM  
Only $50B more, and NASA could've had the same annual budget as Food Stamps.
 
2019-02-16 10:59:57 PM  

GardenWeasel: edmo: Why not just attach a huge mofo booster to ISS and move it to lunar orbit? I can just hardly contain my self over yet another orbiting space station.

stresses would be too high. Not enough trusses.


Better call an expert
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2019-02-16 11:21:40 PM  
Once the Big Falcon Starship is orbit capable, you can expect SpaceX to bust an Apollo 8 pretty much immediately.

/I got your cis-gender gateway right here.
 
2019-02-17 12:40:03 AM  

GardenWeasel: edmo: Why not just attach a huge mofo booster to ISS and move it to lunar orbit? I can just hardly contain my self over yet another orbiting space station.

stresses would be too high. Not enough trusses.


plus the iss is old
 
2019-02-17 03:23:53 AM  
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: fark it, we'll land now!
 
2019-02-17 05:48:25 AM  

limboslam: Only $50B more, and NASA could've had the same annual budget as Food Stamps.


Advancing the future of mankind does not buy the same kind of popularity.

/see also: war, pork, fuel subsidies, and various corrupt behaviors of congress.
 
2019-02-17 06:40:24 AM  

way south: limboslam: Only $50B more, and NASA could've had the same annual budget as Food Stamps.

Advancing the future of mankind does not buy the same kind of popularity

as does keeping people alive today.

Imagine that.
 
2019-02-17 07:13:19 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: way south: limboslam: Only $50B more, and NASA could've had the same annual budget as Food Stamps.

Advancing the future of mankind does not buy the same kind of popularity
as does keeping people alive today.

Imagine that.


Do you honestly think welfare program, as it exists, is keeping people alive?
It's doing as much harm as good at this point.

Improving navigaiton, making travel safe, monitoring crop health, weather prediction, climate tracking, monitoring enemy movements, communications, and low gravity experimentation are things that both keep people alive and improve everyone's lives.
Giving a few choice demographics a trivial sum of money that does not cover their basic needs is just keeping them indebted to a political party. If that becomes the parties only focus then it will fall behind on advancing the nation's technology  while hemorrhaging money out its treasury, eventually being unable to "keep people alive" by paying them off with their neighbors tax money.

Creating new industries, ones that often lower the cost of necessities, while spreading opportunity does a lot more for the public well being than tossing a few coins in a beggars cup. Tho the latter might make you look like a good person, most people know the true purpose of false charity.

/then we've got the longer term problems of finding additional habitats and resources to expand humanity.
/paying people to do nothing isn't going to fix that.
 
2019-02-17 08:28:07 AM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: Apollo demonstrated that there is zero need for intermediate stops to land on the moon. That hasn't changed. Intermediate stops aren't needed to reach anywhere else in the solar system, either. The only relevant science in the vicinity of the moon would need a base ON the moon, not orbiting the moon. There is nothing that can be done in lunar orbit that can't be accomplished on the ISS in LEO. This is yet another NASA boondoggle.


Don't need it, but doesn't the intermediate station mean you don't have to throw away the entire lander after each mission? Or carry it with you to the moon every time you want to go? With this you can leave the lander at the station and you'd only need to bring fuel for it.
 
2019-02-17 09:07:05 AM  
Not this stupid whining again.

People, if you want humans to move permanently beyond Earth Orbit, you're going to need Space Stations and Bases.

In the short term, we need to learn how to keep humans alive for long periods of time in space.  People biatched and biatched and biatched about the ISS 'not being practical' but it was a 100% essential step for the human exploration of space. It taught us a huge amount about building outposts in space, and keeping astronauts alive, healthy, and productive there.

But it had limitations.  It's in a very low orbit and wouldn't be able to keep its crew healthy beyond the Van Allen belts, where people will be exposed to much higher doses of radiation.  Plus it's much farther out, we need to figure out how to keep it properly supplied and how it could handle repairs and emergencies when the nearest help is at best days away.  The Gateway station will allow us to address those problems and more, and figure out practical solutions.

While we know how to VISIT the moon, we don't really know how to permanently LIVE there, which is NASA's ultimate intention this time around.  There will be a lot of pitfalls we won't be able to anticipate.  But we do know now how to build a fairly decent space station thanks to the ISS.  The Gateway station can serve as an intermediate staging platform, giving landing crews much more resources and a rescue/fallback option they didn't have during Apollo, while NASA tackles the enormous task of actually setting up a base on the Lunar Surface
 
2019-02-17 09:15:23 AM  

way south: /paying people to do nothing isn't going to fix that.


You should have put that first so we could've stopped reading there.
 
2019-02-17 09:48:09 AM  

Dhusk: Not this stupid whining again.

People, if you want humans to move permanently beyond Earth Orbit, you're going to need Space Stations and Bases.


Most space wonks utterly disagree with you on the this particular boondoggle.  Everything that it can do can be done already at the ISS.  There is nothing in particular a station in lunar orbit can do for us now.  It not like in the Apollo program where you needed someone to man the command module and do observations of the Moon now doable by orbiters.   Going to the station does not help get to or from the surface.  If anything it hurts by adding additional delta v.  Also to launch from the Moon to the station will require using a launch window.  Going straight to Earth does not require waiting for any launch window, you just go.  This station simply makes it slower, more complicated, and more expensive to land on the Moon.
 
2019-02-17 09:48:50 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: way south: /paying people to do nothing isn't going to fix that.

You should have put that first so we could've stopped reading there.


To be honest I expected you to give up when you realized my post had so many long words.
 
2019-02-17 09:58:30 AM  

way south: ArcadianRefugee: way south: /paying people to do nothing isn't going to fix that.

You should have put that first so we could've stopped reading there.

To be honest I expected you to give up when you realized my post had so many long words.


Awww, how cute.

Seriously, dude.  Lame.  Even for you.
 
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