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(Ars Technica)   Is Frank Herbert's book destined to be the Dune Quixote of modern fiction when it comes to film adaptations?   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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2019-02-16 11:11:41 AM  
If the remake doesn't feature Sting in a Washington-Capitals-logo Speedo then it already surpasses the David Lynch LOLfest.
 
2019-02-16 11:33:52 AM  
For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.
 
2019-02-16 02:18:58 PM  
Who is even asking for this?
 
2019-02-16 02:24:42 PM  

Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.


I watched that again not too long ago, and it really holds up. I hope this new movie is good, but I'm not going to bet on it.
 
2019-02-16 02:27:41 PM  
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2019-02-16 02:34:56 PM  
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2019-02-16 02:41:43 PM  
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2019-02-16 02:46:08 PM  

Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.


Taking the whole book series (at least just the original Frank Herbert books) would make an excellent HBO series to follow-up Game of Thrones.  Throw the same budget and caliber of cast at it and I think it would turn out amazing.  Unfortunately, HBO would rather focus on sticking with Game of Thrones by just doing spin-offs of it instead of a new property.
 
2019-02-16 02:51:39 PM  

NeoCortex42: Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.

Taking the whole book series (at least just the original Frank Herbert books) would make an excellent HBO series to follow-up Game of Thrones.  Throw the same budget and caliber of cast at it and I think it would turn out amazing.  Unfortunately, HBO would rather focus on sticking with Game of Thrones by just doing spin-offs of it instead of a new property.


If only they could ignore all the non Frank stuff. As a big Frank Herbert fan, the writing of the non-Frank stuff is horrid. I even liked Brian's 'Race for God', but the alt-dune stuff is beyond bad.
 
2019-02-16 02:56:46 PM  

Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.


On the upside, a five hour run time allowed them the time they needed to tell the story.

Also, they set the goal of staying true to the book right from the start.

On the down side, a basic cable budget means basic cable special effects, sets and costumes.
 
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2019-02-16 02:59:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.

Taking the whole book series (at least just the original Frank Herbert books) would make an excellent HBO series to follow-up Game of Thrones.  Throw the same budget and caliber of cast at it and I think it would turn out amazing.  Unfortunately, HBO would rather focus on sticking with Game of Thrones by just doing spin-offs of it instead of a new property.


The sad thing is that TV audiences are ready for exactly this to happen, but Dune is perhaps too close to GoT to be appreciated by the audience as a unique work.
 
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2019-02-16 03:30:02 PM  

NeoCortex42: Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.

Taking the whole book series (at least just the original Frank Herbert books) would make an excellent HBO series to follow-up Game of Thrones.  Throw the same budget and caliber of cast at it and I think it would turn out amazing.  Unfortunately, HBO would rather focus on sticking with Game of Thrones by just doing spin-offs of it instead of a new property.


I agree 100% but I still thing the Lynch version was excellent.
 
2019-02-16 03:30:23 PM  
First Dune movie was alright (loved the soundtrack), then I saw that Dune documentary about what the movie was supposed to be like and was floored.

Now all I want is for someone to get it right so there can be an excuse for a God Emperor of Dunemovie.
 
2019-02-16 03:31:23 PM  

Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.


A properly done mini-series would be the way to go.  There is just way too much in the book for a motion picture.  Or even three motion pictures.
 
2019-02-16 03:36:15 PM  

Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.


The mini-series seemed good while I was watching it because I hadn't read the books for over a decade. Immediately after the mini-series, I reread the books and the first 50 pages of "Dune" gave up all of the secrets that the mini-series saved for the climactic ending, and then the narrative structure of the books got weird and crazy from there.

The books are masterpieces that don't lend themselves well to Hollywood script writing because Frank Herbert didn't write them with movies in mind.
 
2019-02-16 03:50:55 PM  

Rent Party: Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.

A properly done mini-series would be the way to go.  There is just way too much in the book for a motion picture.  Or even three motion pictures.


How about six Peter Jackson pictures?
 
2019-02-16 03:54:54 PM  
Couldn't care less. Maybe Dune was revolutionary for its time, but after reading it for the first time two years ago I came away underwhelmed. Nothing about it was particularly extraordinary. Again, it may just be that so many things have copied it since that it now seems trite and I'm too jaded to appreciate it. Which, if so, then fair. But acknowledging this doesn't make the book any more enjoyable.
 
2019-02-16 03:56:21 PM  

Chemlight Battery: Rent Party: Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.

A properly done mini-series would be the way to go.  There is just way too much in the book for a motion picture.  Or even three motion pictures.

How about six Peter Jackson pictures?


Hrrrmmmm....

If he gets it right, I'll take it.  If he farks it up, we will *never* see it done right.

Wat do?
 
2019-02-16 04:01:46 PM  

Esroc: Couldn't care less. Maybe Dune was revolutionary for its time, but after reading it for the first time two years ago I came away underwhelmed. Nothing about it was particularly extraordinary. Again, it may just be that so many things have copied it since that it now seems trite and I'm too jaded to appreciate it. Which, if so, then fair. But acknowledging this doesn't make the book any more enjoyable.


I'm of the opinion that the "Dune" series doesn't get interesting until "God Emperor of Dune". That and the 2 books after are a pretty good story. Though I think "Heretics" and "Chapterhouse" should've just been one book. They cover a lot of the same ground. "Heretics" is actually the better book, but it does nothing but set-up "Chapterhouse".

The earlier books are tedious-as-fark.
 
2019-02-16 04:10:57 PM  

BullBearMS: Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.

On the upside, a five hour run time allowed them the time they needed to tell the story.

Also, they set the goal of staying true to the book right from the start.

On the down side, a basic cable budget means basic cable special effects, sets and costumes.


Haven't seen the mini-series, the1984 Dune was so traumatic I haven't forced myself to see it.  Maybe my wife has it saved somewhere.
 
2019-02-16 04:18:44 PM  

realmolo: Esroc: Couldn't care less. Maybe Dune was revolutionary for its time, but after reading it for the first time two years ago I came away underwhelmed. Nothing about it was particularly extraordinary. Again, it may just be that so many things have copied it since that it now seems trite and I'm too jaded to appreciate it. Which, if so, then fair. But acknowledging this doesn't make the book any more enjoyable.

I'm of the opinion that the "Dune" series doesn't get interesting until "God Emperor of Dune". That and the 2 books after are a pretty good story. Though I think "Heretics" and "Chapterhouse" should've just been one book. They cover a lot of the same ground. "Heretics" is actually the better book, but it does nothing but set-up "Chapterhouse".

The earlier books are tedious-as-fark.


Heretics introduced Siona, right?
 
2019-02-16 04:29:25 PM  
Get peter jackson to direct LOL.
 
2019-02-16 04:32:53 PM  

KingKauff: realmolo: Esroc: Couldn't care less. Maybe Dune was revolutionary for its time, but after reading it for the first time two years ago I came away underwhelmed. Nothing about it was particularly extraordinary. Again, it may just be that so many things have copied it since that it now seems trite and I'm too jaded to appreciate it. Which, if so, then fair. But acknowledging this doesn't make the book any more enjoyable.

I'm of the opinion that the "Dune" series doesn't get interesting until "God Emperor of Dune". That and the 2 books after are a pretty good story. Though I think "Heretics" and "Chapterhouse" should've just been one book. They cover a lot of the same ground. "Heretics" is actually the better book, but it does nothing but set-up "Chapterhouse".

The earlier books are tedious-as-fark.

Heretics introduced Siona, right?


God-Emperor introduced Siona.  Heretics introduced Miles Teg.
 
2019-02-16 04:33:22 PM  
I thought the SciFi Channel adaptation was pretty good. Its Children of Dune was better.
 
2019-02-16 04:41:32 PM  

realmolo: Esroc: Couldn't care less. Maybe Dune was revolutionary for its time, but after reading it for the first time two years ago I came away underwhelmed. Nothing about it was particularly extraordinary. Again, it may just be that so many things have copied it since that it now seems trite and I'm too jaded to appreciate it. Which, if so, then fair. But acknowledging this doesn't make the book any more enjoyable.

I'm of the opinion that the "Dune" series doesn't get interesting until "God Emperor of Dune". That and the 2 books after are a pretty good story. Though I think "Heretics" and "Chapterhouse" should've just been one book. They cover a lot of the same ground. "Heretics" is actually the better book, but it does nothing but set-up "Chapterhouse".

The earlier books are tedious-as-fark.


I used to think that too until my 7th or 8th reading when I realized that Messiah, although tedious at times, and my least favorite until that point, had become one of my favorites. It would be a long boring slog in visual format though.

Now God Emperor on the other hand, oh hell yes. Great story, action, dark-comedy, love story, crazy ass special effects that we're finally ready to tackle and could do it justice, and basically the ultimate set up for the later books.
 
2019-02-16 05:06:00 PM  

realmolo: Esroc: Couldn't care less. Maybe Dune was revolutionary for its time, but after reading it for the first time two years ago I came away underwhelmed. Nothing about it was particularly extraordinary. Again, it may just be that so many things have copied it since that it now seems trite and I'm too jaded to appreciate it. Which, if so, then fair. But acknowledging this doesn't make the book any more enjoyable.

I'm of the opinion that the "Dune" series doesn't get interesting until "God Emperor of Dune". That and the 2 books after are a pretty good story. Though I think "Heretics" and "Chapterhouse" should've just been one book. They cover a lot of the same ground. "Heretics" is actually the better book, but it does nothing but set-up "Chapterhouse".

The earlier books are tedious-as-fark.


I recently read the all 6 in order and they all stand up for me.
Actually enjoyed God Emperor more this time round, best of the lot is Chapter House in my view. Just a shame he died before finishing them.
I read a couple of his sons prequels and ran for the hills. Dreadful, just dreadful there's no way Frank would have indulged that sort of crap.
 
2019-02-16 05:09:52 PM  
Chapter House is my favorite as well.

It's a shame it wasn't possible to get a continuation of the story.
 
2019-02-16 05:10:10 PM  

BullBearMS: Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.

On the upside, a five hour run time allowed them the time they needed to tell the story.

Also, they set the goal of staying true to the book right from the start.

On the down side, a basic cable budget means basic cable special effects, sets and costumes.


Vilaneuve is making two films out of the book so he'll have probably 5 or 6 hours to tell the story and his budget will be somewhere in the 8-9 figure range. He has a track record with intelligent sci-fi and he actually wants to do the film (unlike Lynch who had never read it before taking the project on as a condition to doing Blue Velvet).

It is a difficult story to adapt but I think these are the ideal circumstances to adapt it. I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
2019-02-16 05:11:44 PM  

natazha: BullBearMS: Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.

On the upside, a five hour run time allowed them the time they needed to tell the story.

Also, they set the goal of staying true to the book right from the start.

On the down side, a basic cable budget means basic cable special effects, sets and costumes.

Haven't seen the mini-series, the1984 Dune was so traumatic I haven't forced myself to see it.  Maybe my wife has it saved somewhere.


It's worth watching, but don't expect much out of the effects.
 
2019-02-16 05:13:42 PM  
So more time has passed since the release of sci-fi channel Dune than passed between Lynch Dune and sci-fi channel Dune.

/feel so old
 
2019-02-16 05:15:28 PM  

Bslim: Who is even asking for this?


Who is making the call to remake Shaft (OK, it's SLJ. I'll probably watch the shiat out of it)? Who called for Super Fly to be remade? I mean Ron O'Neal and Curtis Mayfield are dead. Have a little GOD DAMNED respect!

Pet Semetary [points to head]

Overboard [points to head]

A Star is Born [points to head]

/I'm sorry
//where was I?
///I'll come in again.
 
2019-02-16 05:53:20 PM  
He would be much better as the Beast Rabban
 
2019-02-16 05:56:27 PM  
Look, IMHO any other cinematic adaptation is never going to properly get  produced because there just isn't enough of us nerds for a studio to finance it properly. Personally, if they *have* to get it on screen? A Clone Wars style multi-season series by one of the major services might prove the best route.
 
2019-02-16 06:18:45 PM  

Flappyhead: For all it's limitations the mini-series is likely the closest we'll ever get to a proper adaptation.


True.  The David Lynch pile of shiat should be burned.  Even Zardoz was better.
 
2019-02-16 06:21:17 PM  

NathanAllen: He would be much better as the Beast Rabban


He would not be better than David Bautista though.
 
2019-02-16 06:39:25 PM  
Mild spoilers for original novel below.

I think a book from five decades ago is well past the spoiler statute of limitations.
 
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