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2019-02-06 09:29:59 AM  
Apparently, wearing a shirt that says, "Security" is just new gang colors. The SEC-Ur I Ty are known and vicious killers. Just an unfortunate incident, carried out by untrained staffers. Won't ever happen again...
 
2019-02-06 09:59:54 AM  
release the footage from the murderer's POV
 
2019-02-06 10:41:17 AM  
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2019-02-06 10:42:12 AM  
I like how every time a cop shoots someone who has not been identified as the ACTUAL perpetrator of a crime, people rush to defend the officer.

Because cops who shoot first and ask questions never are just what law enforcement needs. Christ.

Identifying actual criminals seems like a pretty farking important part of the cop job.
 
2019-02-06 10:44:43 AM  
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2019-02-06 10:45:08 AM  
Police officers' unwritten rule? When in doubt, shoot the black guy

Saves time and paperwork

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2019-02-06 10:46:14 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I like how every time a cop shoots someone who has not been identified as the ACTUAL perpetrator of a crime, people rush to defend the officer.

Because cops who shoot first and ask questions never are just what law enforcement needs. Christ.

Identifying actual criminals seems like a pretty farking important part of the cop job.


Why even have a judiciary if the cop's just going to shoot him dead on the street?

There seriously needs to be a purge of these trigger-happy military cosplayers.
 
2019-02-06 10:46:36 AM  

hubiestubert: Apparently, wearing a shirt that says, "Security" is just new gang colors. The SEC-Ur I Ty are known and vicious killers. Just an unfortunate incident, carried out by untrained staffers. Won't ever happen again...


He wasn't wearing a shirt that said security on it.  He was wearing a hat that said security.  Still doesn't change the fact that the cop was too trigger happy, but facts matter.
 
2019-02-06 10:46:40 AM  
If you don't want a situation escalated to someone getting shot, don't call the police.
 
2019-02-06 10:47:53 AM  

Comic Book Guy: Why even have a judiciary if the cop's just going to shoot him dead on the street?
There seriously needs to be a purge of these trigger-happy military cosplayers.


And a similar purge of our elected officials, who send the message -- EVERY DAY -- that black people should expect to be shot and making a big deal about it is terrorism.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2019-02-06 10:48:53 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I like how every time a cop shoots someone who has not been identified as the ACTUAL perpetrator of a crime, people rush to defend the officer.

Because cops who shoot first and ask questions never are just what law enforcement needs. Christ.

Identifying actual criminals seems like a pretty farking important part of the cop job.


Because they aren't actually pro cop, they're anti black. They support him shooting a black man without asking questions - if this had been a white blonde girl I can absolutely guarantee that given the precise same situation they would not support the cop - obviously the exact same situation will never happen because the cops, just like their supporters, wouldn't open fire on non-blacks.
 
2019-02-06 10:49:05 AM  

Jeebus Saves: hubiestubert: Apparently, wearing a shirt that says, "Security" is just new gang colors. The SEC-Ur I Ty are known and vicious killers. Just an unfortunate incident, carried out by untrained staffers. Won't ever happen again...

He wasn't wearing a shirt that said security on it.  He was wearing a hat that said security.  Still doesn't change the fact that the cop was too trigger happy, but facts matter.


"He's with us! Don't shoot him! He's with us! He's with us!"

Bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang

- Oh, wait...did you say he was with ya'll?  Sorry
 
2019-02-06 10:50:09 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Comic Book Guy: Why even have a judiciary if the cop's just going to shoot him dead on the street?
There seriously needs to be a purge of these trigger-happy military cosplayers.

And a similar purge of our elected officials, who send the message -- EVERY DAY -- that black people should expect to be shot and making a big deal about it is terrorism.


I expect all of that to happen at the same rate of violence ending between the Palestinians and the Israelis.
 
2019-02-06 10:50:32 AM  
Stories like this is why I pray daily that I'm nowhere near a shooting incident when I'm off work and out of uniform.  Duty requires that I respond to save innocent lives.  Reality tells me that if I draw my service weapon without being in a uniform, the first officers that arrive will see me as the suspect and fire without figuring out that I"m an officer.  Tunnel vision and stress ain't going to help them see a badge hanging around my neck or on my belt.  All they will see is a black man, a gun, and they will shoot first.
 
2019-02-06 10:50:43 AM  
Been added fir a while now, subby. This is like the fourth time this has happened in something like 6 months. That we know of.
 
2019-02-06 10:55:47 AM  
Yeah sure we could put more time, effort, and resources into hiring competant police officers with more adequate crisis training and management... but the low IQ types just follow orders so well. Like, so well, you guys.

You folks have no idea how hard it is to deal with the average intelligence types, with their consciences and discretion and such.
 
2019-02-06 10:56:52 AM  
Best part right here...

"The videos, recorded by police dash cameras, body cameras and bystander cellphones, only show the aftermath of the shooting and not the moment when Roberson was fatally shot."

So why the hell were the body cameras not on until AFTER they shot him?
 
2019-02-06 10:59:43 AM  
In the US, every year is the Year of the Pig!
 
2019-02-06 11:01:17 AM  

behind8proxies: Best part right here...

"The videos, recorded by police dash cameras, body cameras and bystander cellphones, only show the aftermath of the shooting and not the moment when Roberson was fatally shot."

So why the hell were the body cameras not on until AFTER they shot him?


Because they deleted that part of any video they could get a hold of.
 
2019-02-06 11:02:22 AM  
Shoot first and who gives a shiat about questions. As long as the cop is ok.
 
2019-02-06 11:02:56 AM  
So the security personnel were supposedly wearing clothing that identified them as such, yet police still mistook one of them for a perpetrator.  I can only imagine what would happen during an event like this at a school if we were to arm teachers who lack any sort of identifying uniform.
 
2019-02-06 11:03:36 AM  

steklo: [img.fark.net image 640x478]


One of the things that really irk me is when people put quotations around words in signs that don't need them.

/although in this case...
 
2019-02-06 11:04:44 AM  

minnesotaboy: Police officers' unwritten rule? When in doubt, shoot the black guy

Saves time and paperwork

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Actually, it is written now. On the record in the Portland City Council meeting minutes.
 
2019-02-06 11:05:31 AM  

behind8proxies: Best part right here...

"The videos, recorded by police dash cameras, body cameras and bystander cellphones, only show the aftermath of the shooting and not the moment when Roberson was fatally shot."

So why the hell were the body cameras not on until AFTER they shot him?


Malfunction.
All of them at once.
 
2019-02-06 11:06:07 AM  

Dinjiin: So the security personnel were supposedly wearing clothing that identified them as such, yet police still mistook one of them for a perpetrator.  I can only imagine what would happen during an event like this at a school if we were to arm teachers who lack any sort of identifying uniform.


Oh I'd bet all my money that if the teachers were white it'd be a non-issue.

/Don't get too excited, it's not much money.
 
2019-02-06 11:07:34 AM  

MythDragon: behind8proxies: Best part right here...

"The videos, recorded by police dash cameras, body cameras and bystander cellphones, only show the aftermath of the shooting and not the moment when Roberson was fatally shot."

So why the hell were the body cameras not on until AFTER they shot him?

Malfunction.
All of them at once.


NPR said this am (or yesterday pm?) that they weren't on because the immediacy of the situation didn't allow them enough time to turn them on.  Which... I dunno, if it takes any more than a quick switch flip to turn on the camera, they need new cameras.  Sounds like a BS excuse to me.
 
2019-02-06 11:10:38 AM  

Misch: minnesotaboy: Police officers' unwritten rule? When in doubt, shoot the black guy

Saves time and paperwork
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Actually, it is written now. On the record in the Portland City Council meeting minutes.


Sad that I'm not even surprised by any of that. And sad that it took a black woman to uncover it all. Proof that people need to start electing more black women. Clearly, the white assholes aren't going to do anything about it, or they would have already.
 
2019-02-06 11:15:31 AM  

Brosephus: Stories like this is why I pray daily that I'm nowhere near a shooting incident when I'm off work and out of uniform.  Duty requires that I respond to save innocent lives.  Reality tells me that if I draw my service weapon without being in a uniform, the first officers that arrive will see me as the suspect and fire without figuring out that I"m an officer.  Tunnel vision and stress ain't going to help them see a badge hanging around my neck or on my belt.  All they will see is a black man, a gun, and they will shoot first.


That is all kinds of farked up, man, and it's really sad that shiat has come to this point. 

Stay safe, and keep on protecting/serving as best you can, dude.

Maybe have all your civvie shirts and jackets/sweaters  printed with "OFF DUTY COP - DON'T SHOOT ME MOTHERFARKER" on the back... you hear shiat going down, you shuck your outerwear to show the back sign, and go do what needs doin'. HOpefully it'll slow them down long enough for you to yell " I'M AN OFF DUTY COP, BRO! DON'T FARKIN' SHOOT ME!"
 
2019-02-06 11:16:51 AM  
I like how FARK ovulates when a black person is shot following a CNN race-bait presentation. There is no evidence of the event, but everone here is so sure the cop is guilty. Like the "hands-up, don't shoot" hoax. Take a breath.
 
2019-02-06 11:17:32 AM  

Xai: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I like how every time a cop shoots someone who has not been identified as the ACTUAL perpetrator of a crime, people rush to defend the officer.

Because cops who shoot first and ask questions never are just what law enforcement needs. Christ.

Identifying actual criminals seems like a pretty farking important part of the cop job.

Because they aren't actually pro cop, they're anti black. They support him shooting a black man without asking questions - if this had been a white blonde girl I can absolutely guarantee that given the precise same situation they would not support the cop - obviously the exact same situation will never happen because the cops, just like their supporters, wouldn't open fire on non-blacks.


Here's your case to test your theory:

WaPo 3/20/18:

The Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot an Australian woman last summer has been charged with murder and manslaughter in the shooting, which caused international outrage and forced out the city's veteran police chief.
Mohamed Noor is charged with third-degree murder for "perpetrating an eminently dangerous act and evincing depraved mind" and second-degree manslaughter for "culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk," according to charging documents unsealed Tuesday afternoon.
 
2019-02-06 11:17:41 AM  

Dinjiin: So the security personnel were supposedly wearing clothing that identified them as such, yet police still mistook one of them for a perpetrator.  I can only imagine what would happen during an event like this at a school if we were to arm teachers who lack any sort of identifying uniform.


Soon we'll have to have teachers wear an identifying ID laminate on a lanyard around their necks. Photo, name/contact info, and TEACHER in big red fuggin' letters down the side if they are carrying, and in blue if they aren't.
 
2019-02-06 11:18:48 AM  
Or maybe idk out the fun down when the cop points his at you and says drop the gun. Yes this is tragic and wrong but damn do just a little more to help the situation. Also like idk maybe wear a distinguishable uniform if you are security. Not just a damn hat that says security like any number of hats that everyone seems to wear whenever they want. Damn it so much. And yes it sounds like the cop was way to quick to shoot. But I wasn't there and I damn sure wasn't in his shoes.
 
2019-02-06 11:20:34 AM  

Jeebus Saves: hubiestubert: Apparently, wearing a shirt that says, "Security" is just new gang colors. The SEC-Ur I Ty are known and vicious killers. Just an unfortunate incident, carried out by untrained staffers. Won't ever happen again...

He wasn't wearing a shirt that said security on it.  He was wearing a hat that said security.  Still doesn't change the fact that the cop was too trigger happy, but facts matter.


Except everyone besides the cops state he was wearing a security vest too.  His coworkers, witnesses, everyone.... but the cops.

The cops also claimed that they gave multiple warnings before firing right after the incident happened, but it does not appear to be the case any more.

Of course he wouldn't be wearing the vest when he got to the hospital...  they cut your clothes off of you.  Their "proof" that he wasn't wearing the vest was that he wasn't wearing it in hospital.  So that's a dumb statement by them.  Not sure if they think everyone is that stupid or that they'll just not question it.
 
2019-02-06 11:21:53 AM  

Brosephus: Xai: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I like how every time a cop shoots someone who has not been identified as the ACTUAL perpetrator of a crime, people rush to defend the officer.

Because cops who shoot first and ask questions never are just what law enforcement needs. Christ.

Identifying actual criminals seems like a pretty farking important part of the cop job.

Because they aren't actually pro cop, they're anti black. They support him shooting a black man without asking questions - if this had been a white blonde girl I can absolutely guarantee that given the precise same situation they would not support the cop - obviously the exact same situation will never happen because the cops, just like their supporters, wouldn't open fire on non-blacks.

Here's your case to test your theory:

WaPo 3/20/18:

The Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot an Australian woman last summer has been charged with murder and manslaughter in the shooting, which caused international outrage and forced out the city's veteran police chief.
Mohamed Noor is charged with third-degree murder for "perpetrating an eminently dangerous act and evincing depraved mind" and second-degree manslaughter for "culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk," according to charging documents unsealed Tuesday afternoon.


Not only was the victim white the cop was black and muslim-y so, of course, they charged him.
 
2019-02-06 11:22:44 AM  

meintx2001: Or maybe idk out the fun down when the cop points his at you and says drop the gun. Yes this is tragic and wrong but damn do just a little more to help the situation. Also like idk maybe wear a distinguishable uniform if you are security. Not just a damn hat that says security like any number of hats that everyone seems to wear whenever they want. Damn it so much. And yes it sounds like the cop was way to quick to shoot. But I wasn't there and I damn sure wasn't in his shoes.


Damn auto correct. It should have said put the gun down when told to.
 
2019-02-06 11:23:55 AM  

Technoir: Brosephus: Stories like this is why I pray daily that I'm nowhere near a shooting incident when I'm off work and out of uniform.  Duty requires that I respond to save innocent lives.  Reality tells me that if I draw my service weapon without being in a uniform, the first officers that arrive will see me as the suspect and fire without figuring out that I"m an officer.  Tunnel vision and stress ain't going to help them see a badge hanging around my neck or on my belt.  All they will see is a black man, a gun, and they will shoot first.

That is all kinds of farked up, man, and it's really sad that shiat has come to this point. 

Stay safe, and keep on protecting/serving as best you can, dude.

Maybe have all your civvie shirts and jackets/sweaters  printed with "OFF DUTY COP - DON'T SHOOT ME MOTHERFARKER" on the back... you hear shiat going down, you shuck your outerwear to show the back sign, and go do what needs doin'. HOpefully it'll slow them down long enough for you to yell " I'M AN OFF DUTY COP, BRO! DON'T FARKIN' SHOOT ME!"


I may have to go that route.  Might even turn into a decent side job to keep money flowing during the next shutdown.  Thanks for the idea.
 
2019-02-06 11:24:10 AM  

meintx2001: Or maybe idk out the fun down when the cop points his at you and says drop the gun. Yes this is tragic and wrong but damn do just a little more to help the situation. Also like idk maybe wear a distinguishable uniform if you are security. Not just a damn hat that says security like any number of hats that everyone seems to wear whenever they want. Damn it so much. And yes it sounds like the cop was way to quick to shoot. But I wasn't there and I damn sure wasn't in his shoes.


That didn't stop you from, idk, second guessing the security guard's actions and attire.  The security guard was holding a shooter at gunpoint...was the guard facing police when they supposedly were yelling at him to drop the weapon?  Was it a Cleveland type of "Police! Drop the weapon!" and then 2.4 seconds later they opened fired?  Do other people yell police that aren't police?  Idk, I wasn't there.
 
2019-02-06 11:24:41 AM  

Tomahawk513: MythDragon: behind8proxies: Best part right here...

"The videos, recorded by police dash cameras, body cameras and bystander cellphones, only show the aftermath of the shooting and not the moment when Roberson was fatally shot."

So why the hell were the body cameras not on until AFTER they shot him?

Malfunction.
All of them at once.

NPR said this am (or yesterday pm?) that they weren't on because the immediacy of the situation didn't allow them enough time to turn them on.  Which... I dunno, if it takes any more than a quick switch flip to turn on the camera, they need new cameras.  Sounds like a BS excuse to me.


I think it's actually a depression if a button that's on their chest or belt.  So it's not even like fumbling around for a switch.

They should have a sensor in gun holster where once it is drawn it turns on the camera.  That way they'd be covered.  I doubt the unions would ever allow it though.
 
2019-02-06 11:25:27 AM  
This is one of those times where the 48 Hour Rule should be applied to gather the facts instead of letting emotions take over.
 
2019-02-06 11:26:20 AM  

Xai: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I like how every time a cop shoots someone who has not been identified as the ACTUAL perpetrator of a crime, people rush to defend the officer.

Because cops who shoot first and ask questions never are just what law enforcement needs. Christ.

Identifying actual criminals seems like a pretty farking important part of the cop job.

Because they aren't actually pro cop, they're anti black. They support him shooting a black man without asking questions - if this had been a white blonde girl I can absolutely guarantee that given the precise same situation they would not support the cop - obviously the exact same situation will never happen because the cops, just like their supporters, wouldn't open fire on non-blacks.


Remember that lady cop that got shot ini the back? White chick? I don't recall anyone getting held accountable for that one...
 
2019-02-06 11:27:13 AM  
That's what happens when you wear a "security vest" to a ballistic projectile fight.
 
2019-02-06 11:27:35 AM  

meintx2001: Or maybe idk out the fun down when the cop points his at you and says drop the gun. Yes this is tragic and wrong but damn do just a little more to help the situation. Also like idk maybe wear a distinguishable uniform if you are security. Not just a damn hat that says security like any number of hats that everyone seems to wear whenever they want. Damn it so much. And yes it sounds like the cop was way to quick to shoot. But I wasn't there and I damn sure wasn't in his shoes.


Or maybe, idk, the cop could not shoot unarmed civilians.  Idk, but if you don't know if you are aiming at the right person you could, idk, not shoot.  A badge can't be a license to use lethal force every time you are scared.

Maybe, idk, we could do a better job of training because, as it is, black americans cannot avail themselves of police services for fear of being shot.
 
2019-02-06 11:28:40 AM  

jjorsett: This is one of those times where the 48 Hour Rule should be applied to gather the facts instead of letting emotions take over.


Well this happened back in November so I'd say we are well past your little rule.
 
2019-02-06 11:28:58 AM  

jjorsett: This is one of those times where the 48 Hour Rule should be applied to gather the facts instead of letting emotions take over.


Uh.... this happened in november.  So its 48 x 60?
 
2019-02-06 11:29:08 AM  

LarryDan43: If you don't want a situation escalated to someone getting shot, don't call the police.


I agonized over that exact point a month or so ago. There was a "brown" person homeless bag lady sitting on a bus bench in Anaheim. She had a small penknife, with what looked like a one inch blade, and she was making small cuts in the flesh of her arm and muttering to herself. I knew if I called 911 that Anaheim cops would show up, and one of them might be put in fear of his life by a 90 pound child-sized brown person with a knife. In the end, I did nothing.
 
2019-02-06 11:31:29 AM  

jjorsett: This is one of those times where the 48 Hour Rule should be applied to gather the facts instead of letting emotions take over.


It's been almost three months. How much longer before we're allowed to talk about it?
 
2019-02-06 11:32:10 AM  

Brosephus: Technoir: Brosephus: Stories like this is why I pray daily that I'm nowhere near a shooting incident when I'm off work and out of uniform.  Duty requires that I respond to save innocent lives.  Reality tells me that if I draw my service weapon without being in a uniform, the first officers that arrive will see me as the suspect and fire without figuring out that I"m an officer.  Tunnel vision and stress ain't going to help them see a badge hanging around my neck or on my belt.  All they will see is a black man, a gun, and they will shoot first.

That is all kinds of farked up, man, and it's really sad that shiat has come to this point. 

Stay safe, and keep on protecting/serving as best you can, dude.

Maybe have all your civvie shirts and jackets/sweaters  printed with "OFF DUTY COP - DON'T SHOOT ME MOTHERFARKER" on the back... you hear shiat going down, you shuck your outerwear to show the back sign, and go do what needs doin'. HOpefully it'll slow them down long enough for you to yell " I'M AN OFF DUTY COP, BRO! DON'T FARKIN' SHOOT ME!"

I may have to go that route.  Might even turn into a decent side job to keep money flowing during the next shutdown.  Thanks for the idea.


I wish we could go back to a point where cops didn't just show up and look for an excuse to immediately shoot.
 
2019-02-06 11:34:42 AM  

fnordfocus: jjorsett: This is one of those times where the 48 Hour Rule should be applied to gather the facts instead of letting emotions take over.

It's been almost three months. How much longer before we're allowed to talk about it?


How about never? Does never work for you?
 
2019-02-06 11:35:39 AM  

Dinjiin: So the security personnel were supposedly wearing clothing that identified them as such, yet police still mistook one of them for a perpetrator.  I can only imagine what would happen during an event like this at a school if we were to arm teachers who lack any sort of identifying uniform.


Well, that would be one way to eliminate blah teachers....
 
2019-02-06 11:36:53 AM  

behind8proxies: Best part right here...

"The videos, recorded by police dash cameras, body cameras and bystander cellphones, only show the aftermath of the shooting and not the moment when Roberson was fatally shot."

So why the hell were the body cameras not on until AFTER they shot him?


Shhh. They WERE on. The department REALLY doesn't want to tell anyone though...
 
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