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2019-02-05 10:39:26 AM  
Civil Forfeiture: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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2019-02-05 10:42:14 AM  

sirrerun: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/3kEpZWGg​Jks]


This should be required watching for everyone.

/goes double for our police state wannabe's
 
2019-02-05 11:25:52 AM  
If police don't get to keep the money from forfeiture, "what is the incentive to go out and make a special effort?" Bruder said

Didn't you arrest criminals prior to becoming thieves?
 
2019-02-05 11:36:50 AM  
Was the cop Bernie Sanders?
 
2019-02-05 11:36:51 AM  
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2019-02-05 11:37:38 AM  
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
 
2019-02-05 11:37:50 AM  
When every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints.
 
2019-02-05 11:38:21 AM  
The term "citizen" has been replaced by the more accurate "ATM" in the policy manual.
 
2019-02-05 11:38:51 AM  
If police don't get to keep the money from forfeiture, "what is the incentive to go out and make a special effort?

Because it is your farking job, it is what they tax payers pay you to do as thankless as it seems from time to time.
 
2019-02-05 11:40:29 AM  
If police don't get to keep the money from forfeiture, "what is the incentive to go out and make a special effort?" Bruder said. "What is the incentive for interdiction?"

Because it's their farking job?
 
2019-02-05 11:40:35 AM  
Tell me again how the police aren't scumbags at an institutionallevel.
 
2019-02-05 11:40:52 AM  
Patrol man
Highway patrol
highwayman.

just a logical progression.
 
2019-02-05 11:41:34 AM  

ChipNASA: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?


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Ideally, everyone.
 
2019-02-05 11:41:44 AM  
Can we have the cops find the board of directors at that pharmaceutical company who raised the price of medication to $230,000, and seize all of their assets? Because I'd be okay with that.
 
2019-02-05 11:42:27 AM  

China White Tea: Tell me again how the police aren't scumbags at an institutionallevel.


I thought the fiction writing thread was on another tab.
 
2019-02-05 11:44:38 AM  
This is your daily reminder that you can trust the police. Agents of government always have your best interests in mind, citizen.
 
2019-02-05 11:44:40 AM  
You asked for more government. You're getting it.
 
2019-02-05 11:44:50 AM  
"If police don't get to keep the money from forfeiture, "what is the incentive to go out and make a special effort?" Bruder said. "What is the incentive for interdiction?"

Oh, I don't know.... doing their farking job comes to mind.
 
2019-02-05 11:44:55 AM  
If I take someone's money/possessions while carrying a firearm or any other weapon--but didn't use it in any way--I will still get an armed robbery charge and look at a felony record and 15+ year prison sentence.  Cops who pull this shiat should all get the same treatment.  After all, they're civilians too, despite what their inflated sense of entitlement says.
 
2019-02-05 11:45:31 AM  
You're innocent until proven guilty.

that money is guilty as hell tho.
 
2019-02-05 11:45:37 AM  

saphrophyte: You asked for more government. You're getting it.


I thought we asked for better government.
 
2019-02-05 11:45:44 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Patrol man
Highway patrol
highwayman.

just a logical progression.


YOU LEAVE JOHNNY CASH OUT OF THIS!!!!!
 
2019-02-05 11:45:57 AM  

sunderland56: Can we have the cops find the board of directors at that pharmaceutical company who raised the price of medication to $230,000, and seize all of their assets? Because I'd be okay with that.


Apparently just stealing from regular folks is them making an effort, so no.
 
2019-02-05 11:46:02 AM  
If police don't get to keep the money from forfeiture, "what is the incentive to go out and make a special effort?" Bruder said. "What is the incentive for interdiction?"

Yeah.  They shouldn't be expected to do their gorram jobs just for the forking paycheck.  They need additional incentives.

Criminal forking scumbags.

At this point I have difficulty believing there's a single police force in the nation which isn't merely a criminal organization with official recognition.
 
2019-02-05 11:47:17 AM  

You Are All Sheep: You're innocent until proven guilty.

that money is guilty as hell tho.


Well that cash was dressed the wrong way and was found to contain traces of cocaine, or maybe that's just laundry detergent.
 
2019-02-05 11:47:46 AM  
If police don't get to keep the money from forfeiture, "what is the incentive to go out and make a special effort?" Bruder said. "What is the incentive for interdiction?"


Because it's your mother farking job. And because at this rate, 10 years from now when you call the cops and say "Help! There is a man at the day care shooting children! Please help!" The cops will say "I see. What's in it for me?"
 
2019-02-05 11:48:04 AM  
...without the incentive of profit from civil forfeiture, officers probably wouldn't pursue drug dealers.

Cops won't due their duty without extra profit?
So, cops are Republican?
 
2019-02-05 11:48:15 AM  
We need some "activist" judges to start giving out judgements against cities/counties whose police departments pull this shiat.  Them the judges can allow the creditor to file a lien against city hall and the police station and all city vehicles and start repossessing them and selling them at auction to recoup their losses.

When cities start having their computers and servers repossessed by their creditors, with all sorts of non-public data on those drives, maybe they'll start acting in a more responsible manner.
 
2019-02-05 11:48:46 AM  
It still amazes me that even with all this going on, there are still Americans who think we're more free than other nations.
 
2019-02-05 11:49:10 AM  
"..forfeiture should be tied to a criminal case with proof the cash or property was profits from criminal enterprise, not just the cash someone was carrying when stopped or arrested.
Advocates also say profits from forfeiture should be sent to the state's general fund or a fund unrelated to law enforcement to remove the incentive to seize money that would be funneled back into a department's budget."


Well that's just poppycock. Poppycock, I say!
 
2019-02-05 11:49:39 AM  

China White Tea: Tell me again how the police aren't scumbags at an institutionallevel.


They're actually encouraged and directed to be scumbags by the institution.
 
2019-02-05 11:50:44 AM  
It would be nice if these cases, at least the ones involving $5k or less, could be handled in small claims court, with no need for lawyers and relaxed rules of evidence. The citizen comes in and testifies why he had the cash and how he came to earn it and the state tries to prove otherwise. The JP judges credibility and makes a ruling. And, appeals on the state side should be very limited.
 
2019-02-05 11:52:08 AM  
This is why you never carry large amount of cash on your person.  Due the way that currency circulation works, an absurd amount of money has drug scent on it (don't knot the exact percentage, but it is well over 80%)  That drug scent is all a law enforcement officer needs to enact civil forfeiture laws.  I have heard too many stories of people grabbing $600 out of their account to buy a furniture set they found through craigslist, getting pulled over by a cop for running a stop light, or failing to signal, or driving while black or something, and the cop seized the cash because, reasons.
 
2019-02-05 11:52:59 AM  
Let's start with I don't even have a GED in law. There is a concept of the presumption of regularity - the government is presumed to act legally. And why wouldn't the government act otherwise they have no skin in the game. You get stopped for speeding there is no reason for the police to lie. The outcome for him is the same as if you weren't stopped. This is why quotas are never admitted too.

Now Mister Police Man is acutely aware that money seized is used to maintain staffing levels, pay for overtime and buy equipment. He has a personal and financial stake in seizing money and no longer an impartial witness. Pick a young black man not because they are more likely to be drug mules but because they are less like to be able to afford a lawyer. Stop southbound cars carrying money back not north carrying drugs. (makes them complicit in the drug trade)

Laws need to be change to require a felony conviction to seize assets
 
2019-02-05 11:53:09 AM  

MythDragon: Because it's your mother farking job. And because at this rate, 10 years from now when you call the cops and say "Help! There is a man at the day care shooting children! Please help!" The cops will say "I see. What's in it for me?"


the original Heavy Metal movie had a scene, set in the "future", in which this is exactly how it went. You want Police help, you pay for it cash out of pocket just like you would pay a PI today.
 
2019-02-05 11:53:16 AM  
Meh, just a bad apple or 2 spoiling the bunch.  Nothing to see here.
 
2019-02-05 11:53:38 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: If police don't get to keep the money from forfeiture, "what is the incentive to go out and make a special effort?

Because it is your farking job, it is what they tax payers pay you to do as thankless as it seems from time to time.


It's like the "without religion everyone would be murderers/rapists" argument from Christians.  Really, so what you are telling me that without religion you would be a piece of shiat?   Well, let me tell you religion might change what crimes you have acted out but doesn't change what you are.
 
2019-02-05 11:54:02 AM  
I've carried large sums of money on my person (I don't anymore, so don't get any ideas). It was all legit; I was not and am not involved in illegal stuff in any way. I was never all that worried about thieves, because I didn't dress or act like I had thousands of dollars in my pocket. No, my chief concern was being stopped and robbed by the cops.
 
2019-02-05 11:54:22 AM  
I was thinking about this the other day.  If I'm looking to buy a used bike and need to move fast on a good deal, I often will carry enough cash to buy said dirt bike for a few weeks waiting for that good deal.  $5,000.00 give or take.  I'd be a wee bit miffed if some cop just took that money from me for no reason.  Course, I'm an old white guy so not a big chance of that.  Not all cash transactions are for drugs.
 
2019-02-05 11:54:51 AM  
At least they're being honest about being crooked.
 
2019-02-05 11:55:58 AM  

firefly212: It still amazes me that even with all this going on, there are still Americans who think we're more free than other nations.


/ftfy
 
2019-02-05 11:59:18 AM  
Has anyone mentioned that it's their job, yet?
 
2019-02-05 11:59:45 AM  

saphrophyte: You asked for more government. You're getting it.


'we broke this thing and now you're asking for things that aren't broken? make up your mind!'
 
2019-02-05 12:00:10 PM  
"If police don't get to keep the money from forfeiture, "what is the incentive to go out and make a special effort?" Bruder said. "What is the incentive for interdiction?"

If the forfteier is a criminal?  Enforcing the law is the incentive.  If they aren't?  Nobody should be taking anything from them.  L

Which is exactly why the money should go somewhere other than to the department of the seizing officers.  Let's accept, for the sake of argument, that civil asset forfeiture is a necessary tool (it's not, but roll with it), so we can skip all of that due process stuff (we shouldn't, but go with it).  If that's the case, where we're going to give default acceptance status to the actions of police, assuming that they are generally honest actors (again ... Let it go), there serves no legal check against malfeasance or abuse.  If there is no legal check against abuse, at the very least the incentive structure should avoid making abuse the most beneficial behavior with virtually no risk to abusers.

If the law isn't a hard backstop, it needs to at least be a soft guide.

The easiest/most-beneficial action for an individual officer should *never* be abuse of citizens and/or violation of the Constitution.
 
2019-02-05 12:00:14 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: I've carried large sums of money on my person (I don't anymore, so don't get any ideas). It was all legit; I was not and am not involved in illegal stuff in any way. I was never all that worried about thieves, because I didn't dress or act like I had thousands of dollars in my pocket. No, my chief concern was being stopped and robbed by the cops.


Same. At one point, I sold my old car cash and was buying the new one a week later, also in cash. The amount was such that I didn't want to deposit in the bank and withdraw a week later, and I had a safe at the house that would stop a casual break-in. But transporting that kind of cash was scary. And « officials » were what was scary
 
2019-02-05 12:00:17 PM  
This is one more way Black Americas are targets of police corruption and goes unnoticed and unpunished by society at large.  Police rob and kill black people just like gangs do.
 
2019-02-05 12:04:11 PM  
Incentive? WTF? How about "because it's your farking job", how's that for an incentive?
 
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2019-02-05 12:04:37 PM  
They have to keep the poor poor somehow.
 
2019-02-05 12:06:36 PM  

firefly212: It still amazes me that even with all this going on, there are still Americans who think we're more free than other nations.


Well I am white, so yeah. It's been working out fairly well for me.
 
2019-02-05 12:09:07 PM  

TheGogmagog: Random Anonymous Blackmail: If police don't get to keep the money from forfeiture, "what is the incentive to go out and make a special effort?

Because it is your farking job, it is what they tax payers pay you to do as thankless as it seems from time to time.

It's like the "without religion everyone would be murderers/rapists" argument from Christians.  Really, so what you are telling me that without religion you would be a piece of shiat?   Well, let me tell you religion might change what crimes you have acted out but doesn't change what you are.


Basically.  I mean, I haven't captured people.  I don't cut pieces off and make them watch while I eat.  I am afraid if I do that, I won't go to heaven.  Don't go looking that gift horse in the mouth.
 
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