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(Salon)   "Tiny houses look marvellous but have a dark side: 3 things they don't tell you on the marketing blurb" List fails without: 4) You poop right next to the kitchen, 5) You're living in a gentrified trailer park   (salon.com) divider line
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2019-02-03 09:57:11 PM  
I initially read that as tiny horses. It sort of works for a headline.
 
2019-02-03 10:07:05 PM  
Why someone would spend that kind of money for something smaller than an apartment makes no sense to me.
 
2019-02-04 01:44:13 AM  
i have a 1000 square foot rule.  you need that amount of space per adult to maintain sanity.  you  can spend the money on a bigger house or on therapy.  your choice.
 
2019-02-04 02:19:40 AM  
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2019-02-04 04:19:21 AM  
We had these back when I was a kid.  They were for kids.
 
2019-02-04 04:23:26 AM  

TOSViolation: We had these back when I was a kid.  They were for kids.


It's a cutesy idea that's already gotten old.

A good fit for single weirdos and sociopaths, maybe. But not really meant for normal human habitation.
 
2019-02-04 04:25:35 AM  
Oh hey, it's this article again.  I missed it last week.
 
2019-02-04 04:26:42 AM  
I spent $2500 (half to buy it, half to fix it) on a RV that occasionally gets used to go into the desert, and mostly pulls duty as an extra restroom and bedroom for myself when I have more guests than my home can handle.

How is this any different?
 
2019-02-04 04:33:59 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: TOSViolation: We had these back when I was a kid.  They were for kids.

It's a cutesy idea that's already gotten old.

A good fit for single weirdos and sociopaths, maybe. But not really meant for normal human habitation.


Actually, a decent yurt is probably the ideal size for a human structure for maximum happiness. Anything bigger and you start destroying nature and falling prey to hoarding. Anything smaller, and the tiny houses might actually be smaller, and you start to get cramped.

Plus, being tents of sorts, you can get a bunch of yurts together and make a village or even a city when need be. And then move on when it seems like a good idea.

There's a reason nomadic peoples fight so hard and so long against being tied down to property. It's apparently a kick ass way of living for the human soul. Sadly, with 7 billion people to deal with, we need agriculture and cites, but don't discount the idea of small houses on big property. Nature is healing.
 
2019-02-04 04:37:05 AM  

spiritplumber: I spent $2500 (half to buy it, half to fix it) on a RV that occasionally gets used to go into the desert, and mostly pulls duty as an extra restroom and bedroom for myself when I have more guests than my home can handle.

How is this any different?


It's not, of course.

We've long had Tiny Homes; Mostly in the form of boats and RVs.
 
2019-02-04 04:43:42 AM  

doglover: There's a reason nomadic peoples fight so hard and so long against being tied down to property. It's apparently a kick ass way of living for the human soul


You don't have to sell me on the psychic benefits that come from being a renter.

But just because it's a rental, doesn't mean it has to be small.
 
2019-02-04 04:47:37 AM  
You're all forgetting the value you get from getting to be smug and advertise your virtue to anyone who doesn't ask. It's like being vegan, but with shelter.
 
2019-02-04 04:52:59 AM  

BafflerMeal: Oh hey, it's this article again.  I missed it last week.


Source:

https://theconversation.com/tiny-hous​e​s-look-marvellous-but-have-a-dark-side​-three-things-they-dont-tell-you-on-ma​rketing-blurb-109592

Published under the Creative Commons license, so expect lots more copypasta over the coming months.
I already saw it on BBC and I forget where else.
 
2019-02-04 04:53:54 AM  

doglover: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: TOSViolation: We had these back when I was a kid.  They were for kids.

It's a cutesy idea that's already gotten old.

A good fit for single weirdos and sociopaths, maybe. But not really meant for normal human habitation.

Actually, a decent yurt is probably the ideal size for a human structure for maximum happiness. Anything bigger and you start destroying nature and falling prey to hoarding. Anything smaller, and the tiny houses might actually be smaller, and you start to get cramped.

Plus, being tents of sorts, you can get a bunch of yurts together and make a village or even a city when need be. And then move on when it seems like a good idea.

There's a reason nomadic peoples fight so hard and so long against being tied down to property. It's apparently a kick ass way of living for the human soul. Sadly, with 7 billion people to deal with, we need agriculture and cites, but don't discount the idea of small houses on big property. Nature is healing.


Living in a city of yurts sounds like it would be really in tents.
 
2019-02-04 04:54:57 AM  
"You poop right next to the kitchen"...I think I might want a tiny side door that opens to a tiny 12 foot hallway attached to a tiny bathroom.
 
2019-02-04 04:56:21 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: You don't have to sell me on the psychic benefits that come from being a renter.


Renting is literally the opposite of what I said. A nomad is not a land owner, but the whole world is their property.


Mills Brothers - The Old Man Of The Mountain (rare performance on film)
Youtube E0ngRaUyXvE
 
2019-02-04 05:01:26 AM  
So, companies basically figured out how to sell people singlewide trailers with half the room for twice the price.
 
2019-02-04 05:01:32 AM  
Tiny houses look marvellous

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2019-02-04 05:03:33 AM  

doglover: Renting is literally the opposite of what I said. A nomad is not a land owner, but the whole world is their property


Sorry, but that just just rings "Renter" to me.
 
2019-02-04 05:03:44 AM  
Building an Off Grid Cabin using Free Pallet Wood: A Wilderness Project
Youtube iXjP9mEdSNo


If you have an hour and want to see someone barely comment/speak while building a shack in the woods... This is your video
 
2019-02-04 05:04:28 AM  

BafflerMeal: Oh hey, it's this article again.  I missed it last week.


Yep...and TFA was just as disingenuous then.  A 5000 sq. ft. McMansion ALSO depreciates...they bury that in the sub link.   And the valid question is how do small houses compare to renting...which is a total loss.

And big-house owners...get this...sometimes rent additional storage space too...

That high-wind article we had about small houses was valid, this ones a POS.
 
2019-02-04 05:06:44 AM  
fark your ads that frequently shift TFA around Salon. fark them.
 
2019-02-04 05:12:04 AM  
I have a young lady on my FB page who turned a moving van into a tiny home. I had to tell her to get a carbon monoxide detector because she has a wood burning stove and the stove pipe doesn't reach high enough.
 
2019-02-04 05:12:28 AM  
What I would really like is a hobbit hole (buy a bit of land, possibly hillside, and build the house -under- it) but it's hard to do that and stay up to code unless I want to move to Trumpistan.
 
2019-02-04 05:12:36 AM  

spiritplumber: I spent $2500 (half to buy it, half to fix it) on a RV that occasionally gets used to go into the desert, and mostly pulls duty as an extra restroom and bedroom for myself when I have more guests than my home can handle.

How is this any different?


It costs ten times more so that you can say you live in a 'tiny home' instead of a trailer, and you actually try to live in it.

That's the main problem with tiny homes, the solution to this has already been invented, and it's called a trailer. It's a low cost, small, mobile home. But none of these people want to save money enough to live in a trailer, so they live in a 'tiny home' which has terrible value per square foot and is much harder to resell.

I do think what we should consider getting back to is SMALL houses. When you look at the cost per foot of building a 700-1000 square foot house instead of a 300 square foot one, suddenly it looks a lot more reasonable, while still being significantly cheaper than a 2,500-3,000 square foot one.

But it seems everybody hates those, even the tiny home people, so I never hear about pushes to zone for areas in cities for a bunch of small houses on small lots. It's either condos or mcmansions, and I've never heard of 'low income units' turning out to be actual small houses. Hell, make some small condos, even. Without cities pushing for it, developers will never do it on their own. Despite all the people priced out of home ownership, the average size of a new build is continuing to go up.
 
2019-02-04 05:13:18 AM  
I've known a couple of coworkers who had a legitimate interest in these tiny houses. They were both hipster nitwits who were failing spectacularly in the real world. I hope they've gotten it together since then.
 
2019-02-04 05:16:07 AM  

FormerJanitor: I initially read that as tiny horses. It sort of works for a headline.


We are in a tiny house bubble...

Don Ho sings 'Tiny Bubbles' - Hollywood Palace 1/21/67
Youtube mlCiDEXuxxA
 
2019-02-04 05:18:33 AM  
I always laugh when they sell these glorified sheds with composting toilets for $140,000+. Or when they try and stuff a 5 member family in 900sq ft. I love my family a lot but if my folks had done that there would have been a murder.
 
2019-02-04 05:26:12 AM  

ThatsUnfortunate: i have a 1000 square foot rule.  you need that amount of space per adult to maintain sanity.  you  can spend the money on a bigger house or on therapy.  your choice.


Meh, not if you live alone. I am in a studio and while I wouldn't invite people over for anything other than having a beer before going out, it is so low maintenance that I love it.
 
2019-02-04 05:31:41 AM  
I kinda want to convert a school bus into a home. I feel like a lot of the value would come from the experience of actually doing the project, and the results can be quite attractive.
 
2019-02-04 05:33:37 AM  

turboke: doglover: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: TOSViolation: We had these back when I was a kid.  They were for kids.

It's a cutesy idea that's already gotten old.

A good fit for single weirdos and sociopaths, maybe. But not really meant for normal human habitation.

Actually, a decent yurt is probably the ideal size for a human structure for maximum happiness. Anything bigger and you start destroying nature and falling prey to hoarding. Anything smaller, and the tiny houses might actually be smaller, and you start to get cramped.

Plus, being tents of sorts, you can get a bunch of yurts together and make a village or even a city when need be. And then move on when it seems like a good idea.

There's a reason nomadic peoples fight so hard and so long against being tied down to property. It's apparently a kick ass way of living for the human soul. Sadly, with 7 billion people to deal with, we need agriculture and cites, but don't discount the idea of small houses on big property. Nature is healing.

Living in a city of yurts sounds like it would be really in tents.


Sounds like a homeless camp
 
2019-02-04 05:35:30 AM  

turboke: doglover: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: TOSViolation: We had these back when I was a kid.  They were for kids.

It's a cutesy idea that's already gotten old.

A good fit for single weirdos and sociopaths, maybe. But not really meant for normal human habitation.

Actually, a decent yurt is probably the ideal size for a human structure for maximum happiness. Anything bigger and you start destroying nature and falling prey to hoarding. Anything smaller, and the tiny houses might actually be smaller, and you start to get cramped.

Plus, being tents of sorts, you can get a bunch of yurts together and make a village or even a city when need be. And then move on when it seems like a good idea.

There's a reason nomadic peoples fight so hard and so long against being tied down to property. It's apparently a kick ass way of living for the human soul. Sadly, with 7 billion people to deal with, we need agriculture and cites, but don't discount the idea of small houses on big property. Nature is healing.

Living in a city of yurts sounds like it would be really in tents.


Yes, living in a yurt city would be farking in tents
 
2019-02-04 05:35:44 AM  

doglover: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: You don't have to sell me on the psychic benefits that come from being a renter.

Renting is literally the opposite of what I said. A nomad is not a land owner, but the whole world is their property.


[YouTube video: Mills Brothers - The Old Man Of The Mountain (rare performance on film)]


A renter isn't a land owner either
 
2019-02-04 05:36:28 AM  

turboke: doglover: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: TOSViolation: We had these back when I was a kid.  They were for kids.

It's a cutesy idea that's already gotten old.

A good fit for single weirdos and sociopaths, maybe. But not really meant for normal human habitation.

Actually, a decent yurt is probably the ideal size for a human structure for maximum happiness. Anything bigger and you start destroying nature and falling prey to hoarding. Anything smaller, and the tiny houses might actually be smaller, and you start to get cramped.

Plus, being tents of sorts, you can get a bunch of yurts together and make a village or even a city when need be. And then move on when it seems like a good idea.

There's a reason nomadic peoples fight so hard and so long against being tied down to property. It's apparently a kick ass way of living for the human soul. Sadly, with 7 billion people to deal with, we need agriculture and cites, but don't discount the idea of small houses on big property. Nature is healing.

Living in a city of yurts sounds like it would be really in tents.


The sex would be amazing, as it would be farking in tents.
 
2019-02-04 05:37:31 AM  

groppet: I always laugh when they sell these glorified sheds with composting toilets for $140,000+. Or when they try and stuff a 5 member family in 900sq ft. I love my family a lot but if my folks had done that there would have been a murder.


That was how I grew up, Parents and three kids in 900 square feet, one bathroom.
I'm living in 900 sq ft now, with only my daughter and I, and it works pretty well. Having a basement helps.
 
2019-02-04 05:38:58 AM  
While I dont believe you need 3500 sq ft 5 bedroom 5 bath homes for a family of 4 I find the whole tiny house thing odd.

Here theyll buy the 10x40 and get it though in house financing so they give 15k for a 7k building. Then spend another 15k making it liveable...or sorta liveable.

I see fairly new single wide mobile homes that are 16x80 and ready to live in on an acre or two for the same price all the time. I know the whole trailer stigma. But we bought one for my son and his wife when he suffered a traumatic brain injury. It has plywood floors 2x6 wall framing heavy insulation vinyl siding and some of the most energy efficient windows available. Custom cabinets jetted tubs etc.. 3 bedroom 1 hall bath a hude ensuite. 36k. That's delivered set up underpinned air septic and water meter on 3.5 acres. Brand new.
 
2019-02-04 05:40:04 AM  

groppet: I always laugh when they sell these glorified sheds with composting toilets for $140,000+. Or when they try and stuff a 5 member family in 900sq ft. I love my family a lot but if my folks had done that there would have been a murder.


My sister and her family lived in a small trailer while their house was being built. Didn't take long for them to be at each other's throats. Once it warmed up up, my brother-in-law unpacked some of the camping stuff and set up a tent and an air mattress, just to get some space.
 
2019-02-04 05:40:20 AM  

spiritplumber: I spent $2500 (half to buy it, half to fix it) on a RV that occasionally gets used to go into the desert, ...


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2019-02-04 05:43:14 AM  

ToughActinProlactin: I kinda want to convert a school bus into a home. I feel like a lot of the value would come from the experience of actually doing the project, and the results can be quite attractive.


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2019-02-04 05:45:06 AM  

ToughActinProlactin: I kinda want to convert a school bus into a home. I feel like a lot of the value would come from the experience of actually doing the project, and the results can be quite attractive.


So, an RV
 
2019-02-04 05:53:35 AM  

spiritplumber: I spent $2500 (half to buy it, half to fix it) on a RV that occasionally gets used to go into the desert, and mostly pulls duty as an extra restroom and bedroom for myself when I have more guests than my home can handle.

How is this any different?


It's different because an RV has been designed for that kind of life and works well for ots intended purpose.  Tiny houses try to be way too clever and wind  up failing at everhthing.
I was a road hog for years before  I got married & got tired of changing apartments every 3-6 months, so I bought an RV and 'full-timed' it for about 5 years.  Bought it new and it was not cheap, but it was very comfortable.  When I got married we lived in it for 3 years, but eventually that got old; we live in amreal house now.
Best upgrade for an RV...tankless water heater.   Especially in Winter, long hot showers are awesome.
 
2019-02-04 05:56:53 AM  

chitownmike: ToughActinProlactin: I kinda want to convert a school bus into a home. I feel like a lot of the value would come from the experience of actually doing the project, and the results can be quite attractive.

So, an RV


Yes. However, RVs cost a fortune, aren't custom, and I prefer to actually DO things and not have them delivered to me like a lazy rich jerk.

You do you though.
 
2019-02-04 05:57:54 AM  
Personal opinion is that 1k-1200sq ft is good for a family of 4-5.  There is enough space for individual bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, and a large enough kitchen/Common areas.

My current place is about 1k and is more than enough space.  It is new construction with highly coded everything (including a sprinkler system), a large veranda, and a private garden.  My mortgage is tiny and I couldn't be happier with it.
 
2019-02-04 06:00:55 AM  

karlandtanya: spiritplumber: I spent $2500 (half to buy it, half to fix it) on a RV that occasionally gets used to go into the desert, and mostly pulls duty as an extra restroom and bedroom for myself when I have more guests than my home can handle.

How is this any different?

It's different because an RV has been designed for that kind of life and works well for ots intended purpose.  Tiny houses try to be way too clever and wind  up failing at everhthing.
I was a road hog for years before  I got married & got tired of changing apartments every 3-6 months, so I bought an RV and 'full-timed' it for about 5 years.  Bought it new and it was not cheap, but it was very comfortable.  When I got married we lived in it for 3 years, but eventually that got old; we live in amreal house now.
Best upgrade for an RV...tankless water heater.   Especially in Winter, long hot showers are awesome.


It took three years before married life in an RV got old? I could easily live in one of those upscale RV's, especially the ones with the bump out room.
 
2019-02-04 06:04:06 AM  
An age-old conundrum made worse by an affordable housing crisis. You can either spend more on a smaller, nicer space that has more efficient storage or spend less on a larger, crappier space that has less efficient storage.

It doesn't shock me that people would rather spend more money to live in a nice -- but cramped -- space than to live in an outdated craphole. What urban folks need are more decent apartment buildings that are built tough and quiet like the kind we built when apartment living wasn't considered to be "just for the poors".
 
2019-02-04 06:05:35 AM  

ToughActinProlactin: chitownmike: ToughActinProlactin: I kinda want to convert a school bus into a home. I feel like a lot of the value would come from the experience of actually doing the project, and the results can be quite attractive.

So, an RV

Yes. However, RVs cost a fortune, aren't custom, and I prefer to actually DO things and not have them delivered to me like a lazy rich jerk.

You do you though.


They depreciate quickly. I have one with only 42k miles on it that was 133k new. Got it and probably 1500 in accessories for 27k and change. It had sat still for 7 years so there was some maintenance to do. Brakes fuel system etc
 
2019-02-04 06:16:04 AM  
This is a really creative architect in HKK.  While I don't think I would want all of this, there are some nice ideas given cramped living space.

Extreme transformer home in Hong Kong: Gary Chang's 24 rooms in 1
Youtube WB2-2j9e4co


/occasionally lives in ~100sqft for months at a time.
/make the outside part of your life.
 
2019-02-04 06:19:39 AM  

thrillbilly1967: ToughActinProlactin: chitownmike: ToughActinProlactin: I kinda want to convert a school bus into a home. I feel like a lot of the value would come from the experience of actually doing the project, and the results can be quite attractive.

So, an RV

Yes. However, RVs cost a fortune, aren't custom, and I prefer to actually DO things and not have them delivered to me like a lazy rich jerk.

You do you though.

They depreciate quickly. I have one with only 42k miles on it that was 133k new. Got it and probably 1500 in accessories for 27k and change. It had sat still for 7 years so there was some maintenance to do. Brakes fuel system etc


It I ever thought I would have 27k at once I would BUY A HOUSE.
 
2019-02-04 06:22:08 AM  

BafflerMeal: /occasionally lives in ~100sqft for months at a time.
/make the outside part of your life.


You'd have to go outside to change your mind.
 
2019-02-04 06:22:55 AM  

ToughActinProlactin: chitownmike: ToughActinProlactin: I kinda want to convert a school bus into a home. I feel like a lot of the value would come from the experience of actually doing the project, and the results can be quite attractive.

So, an RV

Yes. However, RVs cost a fortune, aren't custom, and I prefer to actually DO things and not have them delivered to me like a lazy rich jerk.

You do you though.


I am not advocating living in either. I like my studio but the beach that costs me, oh, less than 7k per year, in a neighborhood I am loving
 
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