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(The Conversation)   Turns out, it's not just arrogance and hubris that make anti-vaxxers think they know more than scientists, doctors, medical experts, and literally anyone with a shred of common sense   (theconversation.com) divider line
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2019-01-27 12:29:19 PM  
Fear and stupidity?  Checks article.  It's always fear and stupidity.
 
2019-01-27 12:31:55 PM  
'Doctors can be wrong!'

So can you, dumba**, now go vaccinate your kid
 
2019-01-27 12:32:43 PM  
The good news is that they tend to die out quickly.
 
2019-01-27 12:34:55 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The good news is that they tend to die out quickly.


No, their *children* tend to die out quickly.  These aholes got vaccinated by their parents.
 
2019-01-27 12:41:57 PM  
Dunking on anti vaxxers never gets old.  Just like their kids.
 
2019-01-27 12:42:17 PM  

weddingsinger: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The good news is that they tend to die out quickly.

No, their *children* tend to die out quickly.  These aholes got vaccinated by their parents.


Well, yeah, that's kinda the point. They don't tend to have big families.
 
2019-01-27 12:44:35 PM  
Missing in all of these discussions is the ramifications of their beliefs- that they'd rather their children die than have autism.
 
2019-01-27 12:47:36 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The good news is that they tend to die out quickly.


Bad news is, they also fark over people who rely on herd immunity, and have given diseases like measles and polio a fighting chance.
 
2019-01-27 12:52:43 PM  

MattytheMouse: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The good news is that they tend to die out quickly.

Bad news is, they also fark over people who rely on herd immunity, and have given diseases like measles and polio a fighting chance.


Ya know, for a place that built its reputation on snark and sarcasm I have to spend an awful lot of time explaining myself to people who take things I say WAY too seriously these days.
 
2019-01-27 12:58:13 PM  

D_PaulAngel: Missing in all of these discussions is the ramifications of their beliefs- that they'd rather their children die than have autism.


Speaking as somebody who's been diagnosed as autistic, that boggles me. Like, just to play devil's advocate and say that vaccines cause autism--which they don't--what part of autism is worst than crippling, life-threatening illnesses?

I actually gave my mom a stern talking to a few years ago, because she'd started to gravitate towards anti-vaxxer rhetoric, saying that she thought vaccines might've been responsible for my diagnosis. I'm fortunate enough to be fairly high functioning. So much so, that I'd argue my autism has been a boon to me in many areas. I asked her point blank if she was inferring that I didn't turn out the way she expected, or if she thought there was something wrong with me, and that was the end of that.
 
2019-01-27 01:00:31 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: MattytheMouse: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The good news is that they tend to die out quickly.

Bad news is, they also fark over people who rely on herd immunity, and have given diseases like measles and polio a fighting chance.

Ya know, for a place that built its reputation on snark and sarcasm I have to spend an awful lot of time explaining myself to people who take things I say WAY too seriously these days.


Vaccinations are a serious matter, and this is a serious thread! >=(

Nah, in all seriousness dude, sorry! Sometimes, snark is hard to discern, and this is one of those issues where I don't dish out the humor like I should.
 
2019-01-27 01:09:28 PM  

D_PaulAngel: Missing in all of these discussions is the ramifications of their beliefs- that they'd rather their children die than have autism.


There is no link between vaccines and autism.

I hope that was your poor attempt at snark, because if you really believe that I have a bridge to Catalina Island I'd like to sell you.
 
2019-01-27 01:15:52 PM  

GitOffaMyLawn: D_PaulAngel: Missing in all of these discussions is the ramifications of their beliefs- that they'd rather their children die than have autism.

There is no link between vaccines and autism.

I hope that was your poor attempt at snark, because if you really believe that I have a bridge to Catalina Island I'd like to sell you.


It is snark. He's highlighting the biggest fallacy in anti-vaxxers beliefs: that even if vaccinations do cause autism, they'd rather risk their child die from preventable illnesses than deal with that.
 
2019-01-27 01:16:57 PM  
I had an antivaxxer (with grown, already vaccinated children) from the respiratory department of a small hospital try to do a test on me a few weeks ago. It came up because the hospital made her wear a mask because she wouldn't get her flu shot, and she was happy to explain in great detail. I told the doctor the next day that I wasn't sure if she was having trouble with the test because I felt like crap or if she, as a vocal antivaxxer, was just incompetent.

It occurred to me the next day that I had just ratted her out to a board member of the hospital, and I wonder how that will affect hospital policy regarding flu shots.
 
2019-01-27 01:22:42 PM  
I'm so glad to be reading this SIX MONTH OLD news again on Fark. Maybe it will stick the second time.
 
2019-01-27 01:24:08 PM  
Let the stupid people die.
 
2019-01-27 01:36:53 PM  
Jenny McCarthy is freaking nuts.  Ever read that crap she wrote about "indigo kids"?
 
2019-01-27 01:36:59 PM  

Coelacanth: Let the stupid people die.


Problem is, they kill off not-stupid people in the process.  We should exterminate them, for sure, but it needs to be done before they breed so they can't kill other people's children also.
 
2019-01-27 01:38:36 PM  
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2019-01-27 02:01:01 PM  
Dad always said that laughter is the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died from tuberculosis.
 
2019-01-27 02:07:38 PM  

weddingsinger: 'Doctors can be wrong!'

So can you, dumba**, now go vaccinate your kid


DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO! RESPECT MY BOUDARIES!!!

Or something.

These people scare the sh*t out of me.
 
2019-01-27 03:17:50 PM  
I'd say there should be a vaccine for stupidity, but they still wouldn't take it.
 
2019-01-27 03:19:16 PM  
Dunning-Kruger is a hell of a drug.
 
2019-01-27 03:20:05 PM  

Jake Havechek: Jenny McCarthy is freaking nuts.  Ever read that crap she wrote about "indigo kids"?


Does that have anything to do with blue waffles?
 
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2019-01-27 03:20:19 PM  
Paging Dunning-Kruger. Paging Dunnung-Kruger.  Your presence is requested in the Thread.

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2019-01-27 03:24:02 PM  

AntiM: Fear and stupidity?  Checks article.  It's always fear and stupidity.


Coupled with delusions of grandeur.
"I know more about things that no one else knows"
 
2019-01-27 03:26:22 PM  
I don't think Americans really grasp how easily they get suckered by propaganda. And of course, being the self-righteous assholes that we are, even if shown the proof, we'll disregard it. So for the people using this technique, it's like by one get get one. You get the bad info out and American's won't blame you for it.

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi​/​10.2105/AJPH.2018.304567
 
2019-01-27 03:27:36 PM  
Penn and Teller on Vaccinations
Youtube RfdZTZQvuCo


I seriously miss this show.  Every day that goes by without it is another day where we all need it even more.
 
2019-01-27 03:28:49 PM  

XSV: Paging Dunning-Kruger. Paging Dunnung-Kruger.  Your presence is requested in the Thread.

/Link


The linked article is explicitly about the Dunning-Kruger effect.

"We also found strong evidence of Dunning-Kruger effects in our sample. Sixty-two percent of those who performed worst on our autism knowledge test believe that they know as much or more than both doctors and scientists about the causes of autism, compared to only 15 percent of those scoring best on the knowledge test. Likewise, 71 percent of those who strongly endorse misinformation about the link between vaccines and autism feel that they know as much or more than medical doctors about the causes of autism, compared to only 28 percent of those who most strongly reject that misinformation. "
 
2019-01-27 03:29:55 PM  
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2019-01-27 03:30:57 PM  

LarryDan43: AntiM: Fear and stupidity?  Checks article.  It's always fear and stupidity.

Coupled with delusions of grandeur.
"I know more about things that no one else knows"


"How can some anonymous 'scientist' who's never met my kids know anything about their health?!"
 
2019-01-27 03:31:47 PM  
Fear, stupidity, paranoia, mental illness, preconceived prejudices and ignorance. A secret blend of all of the above leads to anti-vaxxers.
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See also 9/11 truthers, birthers, moon hoaxers, holocaust deniers, creationists, climate change deniers et al. Strip away references to whatever really stupid thing they believe in and it all boils down to the same thing.
 
2019-01-27 03:31:52 PM  
I thought it was Jenny McCarthy's Boobies!
 
2019-01-27 03:33:35 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The good news is that they tend to die out quickly.


That's relative. Fortunately, a heap of dead kids means fewer relatives.
 
2019-01-27 03:33:41 PM  
And yet, at no time can they realize that there might, JUST MIGHT, be more autism diagnosis because we are advancing in medicine exponentially every damn hour, and we understand the disease more and can identify more variants of the disease than before.

Because, yanno, that would never happen.  They are smarter than allllll the research being done.

I'd love to say fark em, let their kids die an early, painful, most likely preventable death, but the children are innocent in all this.  I hate their parents though.
 
2019-01-27 03:39:23 PM  
YouTube just changed their policy to stop recommending conspiracy videos to their users and forcing them to manually seek them out themselves. The news needs to do the same thing. Stop putting anti-vaxxers, Global Warming deniers, flat earthers, 9/11 truthers on your panel of "experts."
 
2019-01-27 03:40:25 PM  
Microbes in the digestive tract.  Study it out, sheeple.

Also, vaccines kill.  Some kill more frequently than others.  And some maim.  That's the reality of vaccination.  Anyone that thinks different is a fool.
 
2019-01-27 03:40:46 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: And yet, at no time can they realize that there might, JUST MIGHT, be more autism diagnosis because we are advancing in medicine exponentially every damn hour, and we understand the disease more and can identify more variants of the disease than before.


Or because more and more middle-class parents want a medical excuse for having a socially awkward child, and psychology, as ever, is only to happy to oblige them.
 
2019-01-27 03:42:09 PM  
Meanwhile, in Portland, OR antivaxxers have been relocating underground.
 
2019-01-27 03:42:48 PM  
It's one of those things that props up a weak ego. If you are paranoid and think that the government is deliberately screwing you over, it makes you important enough that the government would _want_ to screw you over.
Believing in something the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary makes you special because *you* figured out something that everyone else can't see.
 
2019-01-27 03:43:20 PM  

weddingsinger: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The good news is that they tend to die out quickly.

No, their *children* tend to die out quickly.  These aholes got vaccinated by their parents.


Karma's a biatch.
 
2019-01-27 03:44:48 PM  
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2019-01-27 03:46:24 PM  

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She DID change her tune ya know...


Just sayin
 
2019-01-27 03:47:17 PM  
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2019-01-27 03:47:19 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: Meanwhile, in Portland, OR antivaxxers have been relocating underground.


Meanwhile in Washington State, the Governor has declared a public health emergency because of measles.

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/27/1819951​4​/measles-outbreak-2018-clark-county-wa​shington
 
2019-01-27 03:47:26 PM  
I'm wondering how much of American stupidity (anti-vax, tide pod challenge, etc) is being manipulated/exploited  by Russian trolls.
 
2019-01-27 03:47:54 PM  

orbister: Satan's Bunny Slippers: And yet, at no time can they realize that there might, JUST MIGHT, be more autism diagnosis because we are advancing in medicine exponentially every damn hour, and we understand the disease more and can identify more variants of the disease than before. Or because more and more middle-class parents want a medical excuse for having a socially awkward child, and psychology, as ever, is only to happy to oblige them.



You sure as hell aren't wrong there.
 
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2019-01-27 03:49:24 PM  

jaytkay: XSV: Paging Dunning-Kruger. Paging Dunnung-Kruger.  Your presence is requested in the Thread.

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The linked article is explicitly about the Dunning-Kruger effect.

"We also found strong evidence of Dunning-Kruger effects in our sample. Sixty-two percent of those who performed worst on our autism knowledge test believe that they know as much or more than both doctors and scientists about the causes of autism, compared to only 15 percent of those scoring best on the knowledge test. Likewise, 71 percent of those who strongly endorse misinformation about the link between vaccines and autism feel that they know as much or more than medical doctors about the causes of autism, compared to only 28 percent of those who most strongly reject that misinformation. "


I guess the question is, how do you make people aware of the extent of their own ignorance in order for them to trust those with expertise?  I don't think finding non-experts to endorse vaccinations is a great long-term solution.
 
2019-01-27 03:51:06 PM  

orbister: Satan's Bunny Slippers: And yet, at no time can they realize that there might, JUST MIGHT, be more autism diagnosis because we are advancing in medicine exponentially every damn hour, and we understand the disease more and can identify more variants of the disease than before.

Or because more and more middle-class parents want a medical excuse for having a socially awkward child, and psychology, as ever, is only to happy to oblige them.


Totally. It couldn't possibly be the parents' poor decisions, pre- or post-partum, that might have damaged the kid.
 
2019-01-27 03:52:11 PM  
I wonder how much of this can be traced to the well organized and well funded efforts to fight fact and science based government law and policy in environmental and economic areas.  Industry groups have been working to discredit science for decades.
 
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