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(AZ Family)   If you know where 29 full-auto weapons issued by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office went, Sheriff Joe's successor would like a word with you   (azfamily.com) divider line
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2019-01-26 10:30:54 PM  
Can we talk about gun control when cops cannot account for fully automatic weapons?
 
2019-01-27 02:21:18 AM  
Check the nearest militia
 
2019-01-27 06:19:14 AM  
Would not be surprised if the slimebag sold them
 
2019-01-27 08:08:35 AM  
Fast and Furious? Seriously, anyone check with the ATF?
 
2019-01-27 08:08:58 AM  
I like how he determined it didn't happen under his watch when they still don't know what happened.

STFU and figure out what actually occurred before blaming somebody else.
 
2019-01-27 08:09:31 AM  
And I'd like to have a word with the MCSO that lost 29 full auto weapons: "Derp".


baka-san: Would not be surprised if the slimebag sold them


Hey, ex-Sheriff and Convicted Felon Joe's gotta make a living somehow.
 
2019-01-27 08:09:49 AM  
Came here for an original Fallout joke. Leaving VERY UNSATISFIED.
 
2019-01-27 08:10:37 AM  
Speaking of urine tests, I saw a commercial the other day on one of your channels that stated that the company provided reliable, drug tested plumbers; I found that really odd to make a point of this for a commercial for a plumbing service.
 
2019-01-27 08:11:49 AM  
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2019-01-27 08:15:08 AM  

gar1013: I like how he determined it didn't happen under his watch when they still don't know what happened.

STFU and figure out what actually occurred before blaming somebody else.


Y'know what? We actually seem to be on the same page. Other than our piddly little political differences. Which ain't nothing.

I'd have you be chief of security after the bombs drop. You know, if you survive. Would be useful to have somebody with a bit of hardware knowledge.
 
2019-01-27 08:19:33 AM  
They are arming MS-13 to take over the government
 
2019-01-27 08:20:33 AM  

whither_apophis: Check the nearest militia


They did.  Sheriff Joe was operating a militia, his so called Sheriff's Posse, who were not cops, who were not given background checks, or drug tests, but were politically aligned with Sheriff Joe's extreme racist beliefs.  They were mentioned in the article, so I am guessing the weapons were handed out to them.

That two of the guns were used against the police in a shootout  a week ago, and that the whole Posse has been suspended, suggests that Sheriff Joe's friends were just a bunch of criminals hiding behind his badge to shield their illegal activity.  

Also note that there already exists, in most places, a Reserve Officer programs in many areas, where people who have the same training as real full time police officers serve part time with their agencies while having full time careers in other industries.  The fact that Sheriff Joe was just arming a bunch of random racists who hated Mexicans, and not establishing an actual reserve program like this, tells you all you need to know about what was really going on.
 
2019-01-27 08:21:06 AM  
What about the fact that only 4/235 posse members completed the 'required' background steps? I for one think a polygraph, background check, psych eval, and firearm proficiency test are necessary prior to gungo-ho volunteers being let loose. Jay-sus
 
2019-01-27 08:25:36 AM  
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2019-01-27 08:26:51 AM  

Pixter: What about the fact that only 4/235 posse members completed the 'required' background steps? I for one think a polygraph, background check, psych eval, and firearm proficiency test are necessary prior to gungo-ho volunteers being let loose. Jay-sus


Polygraph tests are worthless. They have been proven time and again to be the equivalent of those stupid $2 test tube kits they use to test for drugs, the kind that hit positive on table salt.

It is embarrassing that this is even mentioned in conjunction with screening anyone for anything.
 
2019-01-27 08:29:32 AM  
Sounds like someone helped themselves in the transition between administrations....
 
2019-01-27 08:30:58 AM  

notto: [img.fark.net image 850x478]


Ok? I've fired guns also. Was this supposed to have a purposed?
 
2019-01-27 08:33:15 AM  

gar1013: I like how he determined it didn't happen under his watch when they still don't know what happened.

STFU and figure out what actually occurred before blaming somebody else.

It's easy.  He didn't issue them.  It belongs to the previous administration.  Looks like Sheriff Joe's Imperial Guard wasn't required to follow the rules.  I am shocked (not really).  An audit of these types of things reveals much.  No comment from Sheriff Joe?  He never missed a media opportunity before?

 
2019-01-27 08:33:35 AM  
Just check the logbook for the weapon. If it was signed out by an officer but not back in by the armourer then investigate the officer. If it was never signed out then you need to audit not just the armoury but the evidence locker as if guns have been stolen then so will drugs and money.

But this requires the dept to be run in a professional way and not just as the private fiefdom by egomaniacs. Do what they did with the totally currupt Ukrainian police. Start an entire new department with new officers and do it right and when they are up to speed sack the old dept and have any of the old officers go through the application process.
 
2019-01-27 08:38:02 AM  
Ask Sheriff Joe?
 
2019-01-27 08:53:24 AM  
So now losing automatic weapons through, at minimum, gross incompetence is a thing to be concerned about?
 
2019-01-27 08:53:35 AM  
Waterboard Sheriff Joe!

Now, what's this story about?
 
2019-01-27 09:01:52 AM  
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2019-01-27 09:02:34 AM  
In total, the audit found 29 guns went missing sometime during 2010-2015,

So this all happened on Obama's watch? Typical.

/Thanks, Obama
 
2019-01-27 09:07:26 AM  

winedrinkingman: whither_apophis: Check the nearest militia

They did.  Sheriff Joe was operating a militia, his so called Sheriff's Posse, who were not cops, who were not given background checks, or drug tests, but were politically aligned with Sheriff Joe's extreme racist beliefs.  They were mentioned in the article, so I am guessing the weapons were handed out to them.

That two of the guns were used against the police in a shootout  a week ago, and that the whole Posse has been suspended, suggests that Sheriff Joe's friends were just a bunch of criminals hiding behind his badge to shield their illegal activity.  

Also note that there already exists, in most places, a Reserve Officer programs in many areas, where people who have the same training as real full time police officers serve part time with their agencies while having full time careers in other industries.  The fact that Sheriff Joe was just arming a bunch of random racists who hated Mexicans, and not establishing an actual reserve program like this, tells you all you need to know about what was really going on.


There's a lot of bad people in the world, but Arpaio still makes my top 10.
 
2019-01-27 09:12:55 AM  

casual disregard: notto: [img.fark.net image 850x478]

Ok? I've fired guns also. Was this supposed to have a purposed?


To see who likes guns. You just made the list, pal. Now Obama is coming for them.
 
2019-01-27 09:13:20 AM  

vudukungfu: Can we talk about gun control when cops cannot account for fully automatic weapons?


I'm sure the ATF will investigate with all diligence.
 
2019-01-27 09:19:00 AM  

This text is now purple: vudukungfu: Can we talk about gun control when cops cannot account for fully automatic weapons?

I'm sure the ATF will investigate with all diligence.


29 full-auto weapons missing?  Yeah, I think this will pop up on their radar.
 
2019-01-27 09:19:37 AM  

casual disregard: notto: [img.fark.net image 850x478]

Ok? I've fired guns also. Was this supposed to have a purposed?


It was Obama! A blah man! Firing a GUN! Be afraid!
 
2019-01-27 09:21:07 AM  

dailygrinds: In total, the audit found 29 guns went missing sometime during 2010-2015,

So this all happened on Obama's watch? Typical.

/Thanks, Obama


10/10
 
2019-01-27 09:21:52 AM  

gar1013: I like how he determined it didn't happen under his watch when they still don't know what happened.

STFU and figure out what actually occurred before blaming somebody else.


When you take over a facility you do inventory so it's easy to see how they knew it happened on the other guys watch. I wouldn't want to sign for equipment that is missing.
 
2019-01-27 09:28:09 AM  
FULL auto pistols?
I didn't know that Police Dept's were allowed to have "FULL-Auto" anything?  This must be a misprint right?
I thought ONLY the military was allowed to have Fully Automatic Weapons.  I could be wrong.
Also - what advantage would a Full-Auto pistol really be for a Police officer?

/paging ditty, please report to the blue courtesy phone.
 
2019-01-27 09:31:42 AM  
They sold them, duh.
 
2019-01-27 09:37:32 AM  
Think about it, people.  If you and your fellow officers are playing Russian roulette with fully automatic weapons, who's going to be alive to return the firearm?
 
2019-01-27 09:38:53 AM  

Pixter: What about the fact that only 4/235 posse members completed the 'required' background steps? I for one think a polygraph, background check, psych eval, and firearm proficiency test are necessary prior to gungo-ho volunteers being let loose. Jay-sus


Why polygraph when it such crap it can't even be used in courts?
 
2019-01-27 09:42:35 AM  

indy_kid: This text is now purple: vudukungfu: Can we talk about gun control when cops cannot account for fully automatic weapons?

I'm sure the ATF will investigate with all diligence.

29 full-auto weapons missing?  Yeah, I think this will pop up on their radar.


AZ is where the ATF lost theirs, too.
 
2019-01-27 09:46:36 AM  
If that guy had been smart, he'd have audited the entire department as soon as he took the job.  Firearms, cars, lawsuits, prisoners, paperclips - everything.  Who knows what a grifter like Joe would have tried to walk out the door with?
 
2019-01-27 09:49:03 AM  

gar1013: I like how he determined it didn't happen under his watch when they still don't know what happened.

STFU and figure out what actually occurred before blaming somebody else.


He might have counted all the weapons when he took office, and counted them after they found some had gotten lost, and the number on hand hadn't changed.

I wouldn't put past American police departments to just count their on-hand weapons instead of doing a serial number by serial number check off their records.
 
2019-01-27 09:50:38 AM  

indy_kid: This text is now purple: vudukungfu: Can we talk about gun control when cops cannot account for fully automatic weapons?

I'm sure the ATF will investigate with all diligence.

29 full-auto weapons missing?  Yeah, I think this will pop up on their radar.


says the audit was done with the assistance of the ATF.  So, wheels are rolling.
 
2019-01-27 09:50:41 AM  
This is a kin to what I tell each new bartender that works their first shift with me.

"Glad to have a new person to work with.......now I can start stealing from the till again"
 
2019-01-27 09:58:59 AM  

gar1013: I like how he determined it didn't happen under his watch when they still don't know what happened.

STFU and figure out what actually occurred before blaming somebody else.


It's pretty common knowledge that convicted criminal Joe Arpaio was running a criminal militia in addition to all his criminal graft and criminal intimidation of journalists.  That's why he was convicted of a crime and subsequently pardoned by our criminal President.  That's also why he finally got voted out, even though his crimes were mostly against brown people.

/Sheriff Joe is a convicted criminal
 
2019-01-27 09:59:32 AM  

guestguy: [i.imgur.com image 320x256]


...and smells like dead bodies.
 
2019-01-27 10:03:38 AM  

Karac: If that guy had been smart, he'd have audited the entire department as soon as he took the job.  Firearms, cars, lawsuits, prisoners, paperclips - everything.  Who knows what a grifter like Joe would have tried to walk out the door with?


The audit for missing guns actually happened in 2016, and in October some of the guns turned up in the commission of a crime.  Sheriff Joe would have actually still been in charge at the time.  If you click through to the related article linked in TFA. . .

"Ineffective, inefficient and outdated.

Those were the words used in a 2016 audit that highlighted a mismanagement of firearms within MCSO.

The audit highlights part of the problem in 2014. The government terminated the 1033 program with MCSO that year. That program supplied the sheriff's office with military equipment, but they pulled the plug when they found there were nine guns missing, including an M-16.

In total the audit found 29 guns went missing sometime during 2010-2015, when Joe Arpaio was in office."
 
2019-01-27 10:03:52 AM  

smed7: FULL auto pistols?
I didn't know that Police Dept's were allowed to have "FULL-Auto" anything?  This must be a misprint right?
I thought ONLY the military was allowed to have Fully Automatic Weapons.  I could be wrong.
Also - what advantage would a Full-Auto pistol really be for a Police officer?

/paging ditty, please report to the blue courtesy phone.


It could be poorly written.
Or it could be something called a Personal Defense Weapon or PDW, which is an even more compact version of a rifle or sub machine gun. If a weapon is shortened enough, it can be considered a pistol. These are supposed to be for protection duty, like bodyguards or such, where you can conceal said firearm under a coat . They're also suited for close quarters action, since they're compact and easy to handle.
Why would police want them? Easier to carry around in the squad car or even on a motorcycle than the old pump shotgun or longer rifles. Maybe the breacher  guy on a SWAT team. Militarization of the police has to also play a role.
 
2019-01-27 10:07:14 AM  

Your_Huckleberry: Why would police want them? Easier to carry around in the squad car or even on a motorcycle than the old pump shotgun or longer rifles. Maybe the breacher  guy on a SWAT team. Militarization of the police has to also play a role.


This is what motorcycle cops look like in AZ.  This is a city cop too, not the sheriff's office.

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2019-01-27 10:09:57 AM  

smed7: FULL auto pistols?
I didn't know that Police Dept's were allowed to have "FULL-Auto" anything?  This must be a misprint right?
I thought ONLY the military was allowed to have Fully Automatic Weapons.  I could be wrong.
Also - what advantage would a Full-Auto pistol really be for a Police officer?

/paging ditty, please report to the blue courtesy phone.


The relevant federal law is the 1986 Firearm Owners' Protection Act (Fark doesn't want to let me link to the Wikipedia page on it for some reason), which only bans private ownership and possession of newer machine guns.  State and local agencies are allowed to own, and authorize the possession of, full auto firearms.

As to why it would be useful for a law enforcement officer, I don't know.
 
2019-01-27 10:15:15 AM  

smed7: FULL auto pistols?
I didn't know that Police Dept's were allowed to have "FULL-Auto" anything?  This must be a misprint right?
I thought ONLY the military was allowed to have Fully Automatic Weapons.  I could be wrong.
Also - what advantage would a Full-Auto pistol really be for a Police officer?

/paging ditty, please report to the blue courtesy phone.


A police department can purchase all the fully automatic weapons that they want. They can even bypass the whole 16 inch barrel thing.

/ if they wanted to, and had the money, they could have a modern Thompson (yes, those get made) for every single officer
 
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2019-01-27 10:17:42 AM  

MaelstromFL: Fast and Furious? Seriously, anyone check with the ATF?


lol...the locals blamed the ATF for Fast and Furious.   So, the locals are supposed to blame ATF for their own fark ups , too?
 
2019-01-27 10:18:06 AM  

Salmon: Speaking of urine tests, I saw a commercial the other day on one of your channels that stated that the company provided reliable, drug tested plumbers; I found that really odd to make a point of this for a commercial for a plumbing service.


Theres a good sized HVAC company in this area that used to make a point about how well drug tested and clean cut their employees were. Makes sense, a customer doesn't want someone unreliable in their home or in their business.
That same company had a big display booth at a home show I went to about eight years ago. There were probably a dozen HVAC companies with booths at this show, but these guys had one of the bigger ones. The usual stuff, displays of the brands and types of equipment they sold, photos of past jobs, testimonials, all the stuff. But hanging above the front of the display were two big banners, life size photos of two guys with the headline "Which one do you want in your house?"
One was in a dirty uniform that happened to be the color scheme of several of the competing companies in the area, he had a scraggly bread, his uniform was filthy, he had a sour look on his face. The other guy wore the company uniform of the display. He was clean shaven and smiling, his uniform was crisp.
The two other things that jumped out to me was that they were both carrying the same tool box. Super clean good guy's had a big company logo on it. The other guy's looked like it was the same company logo scribbled over with a sharpie. Also, one of the guys was blond haired, blue eyes.The other was.....quite a bit different. Not hard to guess which was which. Subtle.
I've heard stories about what nutcases the owners of that company are.
 
2019-01-27 10:21:42 AM  
Did Mexico pay for them?
 
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