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2019-01-20 09:16:46 PM  
What is "Because it's awful" for $200, Alex
 
2019-01-20 09:20:32 PM  
At least the dialogue in the show isn't a dense wall of run-on sentences. Unlike your blog.
 
2019-01-20 09:21:06 PM  
The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.
 
2019-01-20 09:23:07 PM  
I think the author of that sorely underestimates the damaging nature of the photos MacFarlane has.
 
2019-01-20 09:28:59 PM  
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2019-01-20 09:32:30 PM  
I enjoy "The Orville" myself. It doesn't use continuous space battles to liven things up like ST:DS9 and Enterprise. It doesn't kill off characters to liven up individual episodes like ST:TOS (Never wear a red shirt) and ST:TNG. The episodes are often serious, funny and touch on today's issues as ST:TOS did. Bortus and his porn addiction was great, IMHO. And the episode with 2-dimensional space was very creative.

I agree other writers with more science fiction chops would be fun too. But can those writers do comedy? We'll just have to see what happens as we go along.
 
2019-01-20 09:34:15 PM  
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2019-01-20 09:35:58 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.


The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.
 
2019-01-20 09:43:05 PM  

Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.


So the best episode of Discovery and the worst episode of Orville. Yeah, that must bear on the whole series...
 
2019-01-20 09:43:12 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.


It has yet to be even faintly amusing. Infantile, yes, but not funny.
 
2019-01-20 09:44:38 PM  

Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.


This Discovery you speak of, what channel is that one?
 
2019-01-20 09:45:05 PM  

Diagonal: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

It has yet to be even faintly amusing. Infantile, yes, but not funny.


Go watch Big Bang Theory then.
 
2019-01-20 09:47:38 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.

So the best episode of Discovery and the worst episode of Orville. Yeah, that must bear on the whole series...


It's the two shows in a nutshell. The Orville isn't just a Next Generation wanna-be, it's a BAD Next Generation wanna-be. And the ship is hideous, inside and out.
 
2019-01-20 09:47:56 PM  

darkhorse23: What is "Because it's awful" for $200, Alex


I'm in for "why just piss and fart jokes?" for $400
 
2019-01-20 09:51:13 PM  

whither_apophis: Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.

This Discovery you speak of, what channel is that one?


Space. In Canada. [Ha ha, America]
 
2019-01-20 09:54:25 PM  

AirForceVet: I enjoy "The Orville" myself. It doesn't use continuous space battles to liven things up like ST:DS9 and Enterprise. It doesn't kill off characters to liven up individual episodes like ST:TOS (Never wear a red shirt) and ST:TNG. The episodes are often serious, funny and touch on today's issues as ST:TOS did. Bortus and his porn addiction was great, IMHO. And the episode with 2-dimensional space was very creative.

I agree other writers with more science fiction chops would be fun too. But can those writers do comedy? We'll just have to see what happens as we go along.


I am ashamed to admit I didn't see season 1. So far I'm really enjoying season 2.

Having 2 Trek universe doctors sitting down for dinner as two Orville universe doctors was just about as meta as I've seen in a long time.

Sure the ripoffs are obvious... The Krill are very clearly based on the Kazon from ST:V, but that doesn't bother me very much when I don't have to see every episode being resolved by ejecting the core or repolarizing the tachion emitter with the main deflector.
 
2019-01-20 09:54:42 PM  

Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.


You CAN watch BOTH, you know...
 
2019-01-20 09:55:32 PM  

calbert: [img.fark.net image 263x192]


Extra funny points for that in a 'Family Guy In Space' thread.
 
2019-01-20 09:57:50 PM  

Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.


Actually, I think they explored an interesting question never addressed in Trek when it comes to the ultimate virtual world of holosuites. Substituting fake realtionships for real ones would have been a great TNG episode subplot to let, say, Miles and Keiko O'Brien to have a marital issue.
 
2019-01-20 10:01:09 PM  

hubiestubert: Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.

You CAN watch BOTH, you know...


I do watch both. But the quality of The Orville is not even close to Discovery, which is superior in every way.
 
2019-01-20 10:02:15 PM  

Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.


Discovery is hot garbage that no one asked for. It, and the way CBS has handled it, is the reason I no longer like star trek. Orville actually takes on real life issues in the tradition of TOS and TNG.
 
2019-01-20 10:09:54 PM  

anustart: Having 2 Trek universe doctors sitting down for dinner as two Orville universe doctors was just about as meta as I've seen in a long time.


And Alara's mom played a Vorta on DS9.

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2019-01-20 10:11:09 PM  
There's far too much 'stop liking what I don't like" criticism of Orville.

Seriously. You got people writing 'why it will fail' articles. Why? Why do they care?
 
2019-01-20 10:11:18 PM  

hubiestubert: Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.

You CAN watch BOTH, you know...


You know I am huge SCI-FI fan.  As we both had "altered carbon" discussions before the series was even a twinkle in Netflix's eye.

I have traditionally watched any all sci fi, including the dreck.

Star Trek was ground breaking in the sense of it came out when there was not a whole lot of sci-fi TV other than lost in space(original eps were great, then they chilled them out, new series, farking awesome).

I was never huge Trek fan, I did watch a lot of it in the day, but it was a little far on the fantasy side for me.  Though I did love the Q episodes and Data "I am fully functional" an Diana and Worf having rough sex.

In my opinion the Orville is a wonderful homage to old Trek and older sci fi, which had to rely on story, because they did not have CGI to make everything look wonderful.  And Seth tackles current issues with a light heart(like All in the Family did).

However, you have those die hard Trekkies which refuse to let go of the original series, as if it is the only Sci-Fi out there.

Bortus is in a same sex relationship who has marital troubles just like any of us, who is just trying to get by day to day, and even forgives his spouse for stabbing him, because he admits he has been an inattentive spouse.  The ep was brilliant.

Takeshi Kovacs is probably my favorite character in all of Sci-Fi and even he has a great sense of humor no matter what sleeve he is wearing.
 
2019-01-20 10:11:27 PM  

anustart: Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.

Actually, I think they explored an interesting question never addressed in Trek when it comes to the ultimate virtual world of holosuites. Substituting fake realtionships for real ones would have been a great TNG episode subplot to let, say, Miles and Keiko O'Brien to have a marital issue.


This.  There's been some amazingly good social commentary episodes that go back to TOS and TNG.
 
2019-01-20 10:13:38 PM  
Wake has been a freelance writer for the past several years now

How? Really, how did that happen?

Anyway, it does Star Trek a lot better than most Star Trek has been in the last couple decades and its first season was a hell of a lot better than the first seasons of any other Trek after TOS.

It's also not as silly as I thought it was going to be. I don't know that there has to be so many pop culture references from the 20th century but it's not as cringe inducing as the other Treks were when they tried to be funny, with a few exceptions.

As for Seth's acting, he does sort of look like a kid whose playing in a very expensive playhouse sometimes but the character isn't meant to be Kirk or Picard. Or even Jayneway. It's kind of a ship full of fark ups, except for the women of course.

Trek hasn't exactly been a bastion of originality for quite some time now. So, what if another wannabe doesn't have the Trek name on it? At least we know it can't fark with Trek canon.
 
2019-01-20 10:14:19 PM  
The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.
 
2019-01-20 10:15:07 PM  

Confabulat: hubiestubert: Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.

You CAN watch BOTH, you know...

I do watch both. But the quality of The Orville is not even close to Discovery, which is superior in every way.


I don't think that they're comparable really. One's a half hour workplace comedy, and the other is a gritty Trek reboot that shows Klingon teats. Effects-wise, they're comparable, lighting-wise, Discovery errs on the side of dark and murky often, but their quality as shows...that's like comparing The Good Place with Person of Interest.
 
2019-01-20 10:18:44 PM  

anustart: Actually, I think they explored an interesting question never addressed in Trek when it comes to the ultimate virtual world of holosuites


Well they kind of did in TNG. Geordi fell in love with some engineer girl and then met her in real life and it was awkward. Howling Mad Murdock did God knows what with a holodeck Diana Troi. Riker also fell in love in there to the point that an alien used her image because Riker thought of her as real. So they did sort of address that.
 
2019-01-20 10:19:16 PM  

Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.


But what we don't have 2019 is comedy SciFi. There's no Hitchhikers guide type scifi show that's self aware enough to be somewhat comic.
That's what the Orville is...it's not Trek, or Discovery....it's the guy that wrote "Family Guy" with a star ship.
Sure they try to slide in some smart SF..and some obvious call backs to classic SF.
But it doesn't take it self seriously as some of the trek fans do. It's a fun show

Geeze as a plot point the artificial life form sawed off a guys legs to learn 'practical jokes'.
 
2019-01-20 10:20:21 PM  

Mugato: As for Seth's acting, he does sort of look like a kid whose playing in a very expensive playhouse sometimes but the character isn't meant to be Kirk or Picard. Or even Jayneway. It's kind of a ship full of fark ups, except for the women of course.


It's a shop full of real people, which I like. The TNG characters were obnoxiously cultured. Who does Shakespeare as a hobby? Other than Barclay, (and I guess Worf the 2 times he had Alexander around) none of them really struggled with human problems.

The Orville characters have porn addiction, drinking problems, and struggle to be tolerant of alien cultures. They're honestly more believable characters than most Trek characters. Sisko was a good exception to that, but mostly the Starfleet people are annoying near-superheroes.
 
2019-01-20 10:20:22 PM  

Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.


When did Star Trek deal with same sex marriage and child genital mutilation?
 
2019-01-20 10:21:07 PM  
Klingon teats.

Queso?

Discovery shows Kingon boobs?  Can network TV do that!?
 
2019-01-20 10:21:12 PM  
I do remember when TNG came out and Star Trek fans were not happy at all. It had been nearly 20 years since TOS and the new sensibilities, look and feel of the show were so vastly different than the Kirk and Spock era were very off-putting to many hardcore Trekkies at the time. And Picard was such a different captain than Kirk, it felt like a completely different show.

Discovery came out MORE than 20 years after the last Trek show, and now the TNG/DS9/Voyager Trekkies are upset it's not like THEIR Star Trek.

It's like Doctor Who. Everyone has their era and gets annoyed at the new ones.
 
2019-01-20 10:22:02 PM  

theflatline: Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.

When did Star Trek deal with same sex marriage and child genital mutilation?


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2019-01-20 10:22:39 PM  

theflatline: Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.

When did Star Trek deal with same sex marriage and child genital mutilation?


And porn addiction? And Starfleet officers ADMITTING it's hard to be tolerant of alien cultures, as opposed to being endlessly open minded?
 
2019-01-20 10:23:53 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: The TNG characters were obnoxiously cultured.


Very obnoxiously. If people really did watch Orville because they're nostalgic for TNG, they'd be pissed that they weren't being lectured to about how enlightened they're not.
 
2019-01-20 10:24:37 PM  

Mugato: ... The character isn't meant to be Kirk or Picard. Or even Jayneway. It's kind of a ship full of fark ups, except for the women of course.


For me the starkest difference is how less formal and more familial the realtionships are in Orville. The structure is far less militarized. Rank is  mostly indicative of a job function, not a hierarchy.  For example, Picard's "best friend" would never have been a junior lieutenant. It's why they needed Beverly Crusher.

It takes getting used to, but it's kind of refreshing, in a way, to see the command structure seconded to the interpersonal relationships.
 
2019-01-20 10:26:39 PM  

anustart: Confabulat: PC LOAD LETTER: The Orville is recycled Trek in most ways, but it can be funny and Trek utterly sucks these days, so no harm no foul. Still, I'm not going to miss it if it goes.

The season opener of Discovery was epic, exciting, and a ton of fun.

The Orville did jokes about porn addiction from their unfunny Worf-wannabe.

If that's what you prefer, may god have mercy on your soul.

Actually, I think they explored an interesting question never addressed in Trek when it comes to the ultimate virtual world of holosuites. Substituting fake realtionships for real ones would have been a great TNG episode subplot to let, say, Miles and Keiko O'Brien to have a marital issue.


I get the feeling that was a DS9 episode, but don't quote me on that
 
2019-01-20 10:27:27 PM  

anustart: Mugato: ... The character isn't meant to be Kirk or Picard. Or even Jayneway. It's kind of a ship full of fark ups, except for the women of course.

For me the starkest difference is how less formal and more familial the realtionships are in Orville. The structure is far less militarized. Rank is  mostly indicative of a job function, not a hierarchy.  For example, Picard's "best friend" would never have been a junior lieutenant. It's why they needed Beverly Crusher.

It takes getting used to, but it's kind of refreshing, in a way, to see the command structure seconded to the interpersonal relationships.


Yeah...the entire concept of the Orville was that the ship was a 'also ran' in the fleet and they just needed to fill out some command seats with whoever they could find. "A rag tag boat of spunky misfits"
 
2019-01-20 10:28:22 PM  

theflatline: Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.

When did Star Trek deal with same sex marriage and child genital mutilation?


Beyond came the closest, "revealing" that Sulu has a husband.  Any other time such thins were presented as quirky... With androgenous aliens for Riker to flirt with or celibate Deltans to frustrate Kirk. Orville treats it much more maturely and even addresses the boundaries of tolerance between cultures.
 
2019-01-20 10:28:44 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: theflatline: Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.

When did Star Trek deal with same sex marriage and child genital mutilation?

And porn addiction? And Starfleet officers ADMITTING it's hard to be tolerant of alien cultures, as opposed to being endlessly open minded?


Oh.. you know Barclay was jerking it in the holodeck.
 
2019-01-20 10:32:08 PM  

optikeye: And porn addiction? And Starfleet officers ADMITTING it's hard to be tolerant of alien cultures, as opposed to being endlessly open minded?

Oh.. you know Barclay was jerking it in the holodeck.


And the only time we never saw what went on in the holodeck/suite was when Chief O'Brien and Dr. Bashir dressed up as WWI tail-gunners.
 
2019-01-20 10:33:33 PM  

optikeye: Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.

But what we don't have 2019 is comedy SciFi. There's no Hitchhikers guide type scifi show that's self aware enough to be somewhat comic.
That's what the Orville is...it's not Trek, or Discovery....it's the guy that wrote "Family Guy" with a star ship.
Sure they try to slide in some smart SF..and some obvious call backs to classic SF.
But it doesn't take it self seriously as some of the trek fans do. It's a fun show

Geeze as a plot point the artificial life form sawed off a guys legs to learn 'practical jokes'.


And Seth Mcfarlane took his own money and bought Carl Sagans personal literature, notes, and donated them to the library of congress for all to see.  And he got Cosmos to come back.

Then said this.

"Somewhere between the 1990s and today, the acknowledgement of scientific achievement ceased in many parts of this country to be a source of pride," he said. "Long accepted scientific truths have been brought into question, by one side of the aisle, solely to generate passion that can be reshaped to suit various agendas."
He said "a nationwide scientific regression has taken place," due in part to the media's reporting "of the noisy ravings of fringe level anti-science bellowers who would not have been on Walter Cronkite's radar, let alone press worthy."

/no one from the Trek shows has been as pro science as Seth
 
2019-01-20 10:35:00 PM  

anustart: theflatline: Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.

When did Star Trek deal with same sex marriage and child genital mutilation?

Beyond came the closest, "revealing" that Sulu has a husband.  Any other time such thins were presented as quirky... With androgenous aliens for Riker to flirt with or celibate Deltans to frustrate Kirk. Orville treats it much more maturely and even addresses the boundaries of tolerance between cultures.


No there was a very forgettable TNG episode that was supposed to address the same sex issue in the 90's.
Riker falls in love with a 'person' who's part of a transgendered species. The kicker is that this person identifies as 'female' and is rejected by her community. And of course Riker only really likes girls..so she has to be girl to get Riker to like her.

This would be a teachable moment for our society if  not for the fact the show comes off as being on the wrong side of a social issue like "OH IF IT WAS THIS STUFF THAT NEVER HAPPENS YOU"D LEARN FROM THIS"
It was like someone checked off a list of social issues on sexuality and gender and tried to present them in the most tone deaf way they could.
 
2019-01-20 10:36:21 PM  
Because Seth MacFarlane is painfully unfunny?
 
2019-01-20 10:38:02 PM  

anustart: theflatline: Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.

When did Star Trek deal with same sex marriage and child genital mutilation?

Beyond came the closest, "revealing" that Sulu has a husband.  Any other time such thins were presented as quirky... With androgenous aliens for Riker to flirt with or celibate Deltans to frustrate Kirk. Orville treats it much more maturely and even addresses the boundaries of tolerance between cultures.


Well, that was "Nu Trek" after we learned Takei was gay(nothing wrong with that).

I love how Orville shows where we came from. Watching Seinfeld or the Kermit doll on his desk. Not acting like our past had shiat that did not stink.

And Nu Trek the best part to me was this.

Star Trek Beyond - Beastie Boys scene
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2019-01-20 10:40:21 PM  

optikeye: anustart: theflatline: Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.

When did Star Trek deal with same sex marriage and child genital mutilation?

Beyond came the closest, "revealing" that Sulu has a husband.  Any other time such thins were presented as quirky... With androgenous aliens for Riker to flirt with or celibate Deltans to frustrate Kirk. Orville treats it much more maturely and even addresses the boundaries of tolerance between cultures.

No there was a very forgettable TNG episode that was supposed to address the same sex issue in the 90's.
Riker falls in love with a 'person' who's part of a transgendered species. The kicker is that this person identifies as 'female' and is rejected by her community. And of course Riker only really likes girls..so she has to be girl to get Riker to like her.

This would be a teachable moment for our society if  not for the fact the show comes off as being on the wrong side of a social issue like "OH IF IT WAS THIS STUFF THAT NEVER HAPPENS YOU"D LEARN FROM THIS"
It was like someone checked off a list of social issues on sexuality and gender and tried to present them in the most tone deaf way they could.


I liked Next Gen, but like all of Star Trek it whitewashed humanities flaws.
 
2019-01-20 10:45:35 PM  

optikeye: HMS_Blinkin: theflatline: Confabulat: The comments above are exactly why The Orville doesn't work in 2019. It's recycled nostalgia for TNG nerds who want 80s Star Trek back again.

Discovery is modern and different and much more in tune with our times, not left-over Brannon Braga scripts.

But old people like old things, it's their way.

When did Star Trek deal with same sex marriage and child genital mutilation?

And porn addiction? And Starfleet officers ADMITTING it's hard to be tolerant of alien cultures, as opposed to being endlessly open minded?

Oh.. you know Barclay was jerking it in the holodeck.


What the holodeck really looked like

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2019-01-20 10:46:34 PM  

theflatline: I liked Next Gen, but like all of Star Trek it whitewashed humanities flaws.


It did. Like in 400 years people would stop being greedy or religious or have any conflicts at all. Unless the episode or movie called for it. And every since they introduced the idea that they don't have money in the Save the Whales movie, they were never consistent with it. That part is the most annoying, the money thing.
 
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