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(CBS News)   Inviting a President to Capitol Hill to give the State of the Union Address is typically the job of the Speaker of the House, but since Nancy ain't likely to do that, White House officials are trying to figure out if McConnell can   (cbsnews.com) divider line
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2019-01-17 10:15:27 AM  
 Tell you what: as soon as Nancy Pelosi can call for a vote on the Senate floor then Mitch McConnell can invite the president to give the state of the union. How's that?
 
2019-01-17 10:17:46 AM  
Senate Majority Leader is not a constitutionally created position, it's an internal administrative position.

And that's got to get under Mitch's shell.
 
2019-01-17 10:17:52 AM  
How about go fark yourself.
Does go fark yourself work for you?
No
Then go fark yourself, Donny.
 
2019-01-17 10:18:26 AM  
The Constitution says he shall give information to the Congress. Does that mean the House, the Senate, or both?
 
2019-01-17 10:21:24 AM  
Senior officials are advising him that Pelosi's suggestion is a sign of weakness -- that Democrats fear he will use the stage to his advantage. It's not known whether that is actually the case, but it is what senior officials are telling him.

Hahahaha. Pelosi may be a lot of things, but weak is not one of them.
 
2019-01-17 10:22:14 AM  
Senior WH officials Moe, Larry, and Curly?
 
2019-01-17 10:24:23 AM  

PreMortem: Senior officials are advising him that Pelosi's suggestion is a sign of weakness -- that Democrats fear he will use the stage to his advantage. It's not known whether that is actually the case, but it is what senior officials are telling him.

Hahahaha. Pelosi may be a lot of things, but weak is not one of them.


They don't want to tell him the real reason because he will go on a three day rage infused bender and there are no staff around to clean up after him.
 
2019-01-17 10:25:02 AM  

PreMortem: Senior officials are advising him that Pelosi's suggestion is a sign of weakness -- that Democrats fear he will use the stage to his advantage. It's not known whether that is actually the case, but it is what senior officials are telling him.

Hahahaha. Pelosi may be a lot of things, but weak is not one of them.


Remember that week when there was much wailing over how poor a Speaker she would be.

Good times those.
 
2019-01-17 10:26:17 AM  
He can invite him over but dems don't have to show up.
 
2019-01-17 10:26:58 AM  

Gubbo: The Constitution says he shall give information to the Congress. Does that mean the House, the Senate, or both?


Both. But he doesn't have to do it in person. It was a written report for a long time, and even occasionally in modern times. Link. I remember when Clinton was giving his after the Monica Lewinsky story broke. A restaurant had on their marquis: "Free Beer if Bill mentions Monica."
 
2019-01-17 10:27:07 AM  

PreMortem: Senior officials are advising him that Pelosi's suggestion is a sign of weakness -- that Democrats fear he will use the stage to his advantage. It's not known whether that is actually the case, but it is what senior officials are telling him.

Hahahaha. Pelosi may be a lot of things, but weak is not one of them.


Trump got a taste of Pelosi's pimp hand and it is strong.
 
2019-01-17 10:35:23 AM  
nancy wasn't lying- there is literally no way to ensure the safety of everyone who attends the state of the union during the government shut down.  it's not about a f*cking invitation.
 
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2019-01-17 10:37:24 AM  

Gubbo: The Constitution says he shall give information to the Congress. Does that mean the House, the Senate, or both?


He can stand outside and yell at them like a hobo.
 
2019-01-17 10:37:36 AM  
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2019-01-17 10:38:21 AM  
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/bend over donnie
 
2019-01-17 10:38:44 AM  
He only has to provide information to Congress on the state of the union.

He could send both Houses a copy of his speech and have fulfilled his responsibilities. He could then give a speech to the Senste if they invite him to do so, presumably.

It's not terribly hard to plot this out. The problem is that the audience will be small and it will look like what it is - an utterly partisan rant.
 
2019-01-17 10:38:50 AM  
Damn. So this is what it looks like when we have three branches of government again.
I like it.
I'll bet that if Trump can't read it in person, he'll tweet it out.
 
2019-01-17 10:39:16 AM  
Pelosi's setting up for her weekly news conference right now.

Pelosi holds weekly news conference
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2019-01-17 10:39:20 AM  

PreMortem: Senior officials are advising him that Pelosi's suggestion is a sign of weakness -- that Democrats fear he will use the stage to his advantage. It's not known whether that is actually the case, but it is what senior officials are telling him.

Hahahaha. Pelosi may be a lot of things, but weak is not one of them.


Sure, but these are "Senior officials"  which means people whose primary job is to stroke Trump's ego.  "You're such a big strong man and Nancy is just being mean to you because she's weak"
 
2019-01-17 10:39:22 AM  

Unobtanium: Gubbo: The Constitution says he shall give information to the Congress. Does that mean the House, the Senate, or both?

Both. But he doesn't have to do it in person. It was a written report for a long time, and even occasionally in modern times. Link. I remember when Clinton was giving his after the Monica Lewinsky story broke. A restaurant had on their marquis: "Free Beer if Bill mentions Monica."


Unobtanium: Gubbo: The Constitution says he shall give information to the Congress. Does that mean the House, the Senate, or both?

Both. But he doesn't have to do it in person. It was a written report for a long time, and even occasionally in modern times. Link. I remember when Clinton was giving his after the Monica Lewinsky story broke. A restaurant had on their marquis: "Free Beer if Bill mentions Monica."


As with many things, The West Wing covered it, albeit in far less stupid fashion than what's happening in that building right now. From yesterday's thread:

C.J.Should we postpone the State of the Union? What are the rules on that?

TOBY He's required to give Congress information on the State of the Union. If he buys Congress a subscription to the Wall Street Journal, he's fulfilled his Constitutional...

SAM Postponing or canceling's an admission of defeat.
 
2019-01-17 10:39:36 AM  
It's done in the house because the house chamber is the only room in the Capitol big enough to fit everybody.

There isn't room in the Senate chamber.
 
2019-01-17 10:39:55 AM  

reagabeast: nancy wasn't lying- there is literally no way to ensure the safety of everyone who attends the state of the union during the government shut down.  it's not about a f*cking invitation.


Oh, I think it's a little of both.  And I'm OK with that.  Constitution only requires he present one.  It does not specify how or what forum.

She really shoved the knife in, and did it with plausible deniability that it's not just to be mean.

What's mean is when she suggested he do it from the Oval Office, given his pathetic performance when he tried that.  THAT was twisting the knife.
 
2019-01-17 10:40:13 AM  
Inviting a President to Capitol Hill to and give the State of the Union Address is typically the job of the Speaker of the House, but since Nancy ain't likely to do that, White House officials are trying to figure out if McConnell can

They have to find him first.
 
2019-01-17 10:40:16 AM  
Trump is amazing, he's doing more for Pelosi's approval rating than she could have possibly done herself.
 
2019-01-17 10:40:34 AM  
Well at least they are trying to keep Mitch busy
 
2019-01-17 10:42:14 AM  
When they find Mitch, maybe they can ask him to start letting bills go through the Senate.

You know. His job.
 
2019-01-17 10:42:15 AM  
She should extend an invitation for him to speak before congress because everyone would enjoy being lied to for an evening.  And remind him to bring enough copies of the electoral map for everyone.
 
2019-01-17 10:42:42 AM  
Maybe we will get another low energy one hour sniff fest from the oval office.
 
2019-01-17 10:42:59 AM  

Great_Milenko: She should extend an invitation for him to speak before congress because everyone would enjoy being lied to for an evening.  And remind him to bring enough copies of the electoral map for everyone.


I would love for him to bring his guesses on what the 2020 map will be.
 
2019-01-17 10:43:10 AM  
The Dem reply to whatever nonsense he spouts needs to be the video of him saying he'd shut down the government, and he'd be proud, etc.

And then laying into him for not actually giving a SotU address, using it as a blaming/partisan campaign speech.

/The State of the Union is: Compromised by Russia, assisted by Traitorous Republicans
 
2019-01-17 10:43:24 AM  

FortyHams: He can invite him over but dems don't have to show up.


That would look worse.  I think Pelosi's suggestion of having no speech and Trump submits his address in writing is the way to go.
 
2019-01-17 10:43:29 AM  

Badmoodman: Inviting a President to Capitol Hill to and give the State of the Union Address is typically the job of the Speaker of the House, but since Nancy ain't likely to do that, White House officials are trying to figure out if McConnell can

They have to find him first.


#WheresMitch
 
2019-01-17 10:43:42 AM  

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2019-01-17 10:43:55 AM  

Gubbo: PreMortem: Senior officials are advising him that Pelosi's suggestion is a sign of weakness -- that Democrats fear he will use the stage to his advantage. It's not known whether that is actually the case, but it is what senior officials are telling him.

Hahahaha. Pelosi may be a lot of things, but weak is not one of them.

Remember that week when there was much wailing over how poor a Speaker she would be.

Good times those.


She's old, though. As much as we like to rail against racism and sexism, I'm surprised at how much people will take age into determining who they'll support. I get it cause I do it myself sometimes, but where did this idea that we need someone young to connect with the youth vote come from? The most popular candidate in the 2016 primaries amongst young liberal voters looked like he was about to complain about how infrequent his bowel movements were lately and how his doctor put him on a high fiber diet.
 
2019-01-17 10:44:22 AM  
Appears Pelosi is about to give a briefing:
Pelosi holds weekly news conference
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2019-01-17 10:44:32 AM  
The SotU is given in the House chambers because the House is larger and has the seating capacity to hold a joint session of Congress with the visitors that are also present at the SotU.

The Senate lacks the seating capacity to hold both Houses together, since there are more than 4 times as many Reps as there are Senators.

McConnell has no power to invite anyone to the House floor, and more than Pelosi could invite someone to speak in the Senate chambers.  He could invite Trump to give a speech in the Senate chambers, but there simply wouldn't be seating room to get the whole Congress there.  As there's also a shutdown in progress, there wouldn't easily be funding available either to rapidly make renovations or changes to the Senate chamber to allow such a function either.

It's a desperation move, and not one likely to work either.
 
2019-01-17 10:44:40 AM  

PirateKing: Senate Majority Leader is not a constitutionally created position, it's an internal administrative position.

And that's got to get under Mitch's shell.


I just learned something new today.
 
2019-01-17 10:45:04 AM  

Diogenes: reagabeast: nancy wasn't lying- there is literally no way to ensure the safety of everyone who attends the state of the union during the government shut down.  it's not about a f*cking invitation.

Oh, I think it's a little of both.  And I'm OK with that.  Constitution only requires he present one.  It does not specify how or what forum.

She really shoved the knife in, and did it with plausible deniability that it's not just to be mean.

What's mean is when she suggested he do it from the Oval Office, given his pathetic performance when he tried that.  THAT was twisting the knife.


if he presents the speech from the oval office, secret service, DC police, military security details wouldn't have to practice weeks ahead of time to coordinate the arrival of the Supreme Court, all members of congress, security screenings of invited guests and shuttling the president from one place to the other.  the fact it hurt is feelings is just bonus.
 
2019-01-17 10:45:15 AM  
I think the SOTU should be done away with in its current form. It's a pile of bs, and has been in my lifetime. I liked West Wing's take on it: Something like "Technically, I could buy them a copy of the Washington Post and I've fulfilled my duty to keep the informed."
 
2019-01-17 10:45:20 AM  
All he has to do is pass the bill the Senate passed once already. Problem solved.
 
2019-01-17 10:45:26 AM  

wejash: He only has to provide information to Congress on the state of the union.

He could send both Houses a copy of his speech and have fulfilled his responsibilities. He could then give a speech to the Senste if they invite him to do so, presumably.

It's not terribly hard to plot this out. The problem is that the audience will be small and it will look like what it is - an utterly partisan rant.


Also, the wording of the greatest legal document of all time says the president shall do this "from time to time."   So there's zero reason for him to speak to them when they don't request it.  Theoretically he could do this every three months or only on the very last day of his term.
 
2019-01-17 10:45:30 AM  
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2019-01-17 10:45:51 AM  

wejash: He only has to provide information to Congress on the state of the union.


He doesn't even have to do that or even hold a SOTU unless the House asks for it.
 
2019-01-17 10:46:00 AM  
Hi, welcome to Whose Government Is It Anyway? Where the rules are made up and the Constitution doesn't matter. That's right just like proper spelling in Tweets, does not matter.
 
2019-01-17 10:46:17 AM  
As long as Trump's shutdown lasts, not one single House Democrat has any incentive to stray from the party line.  This was a losing battle for Trump from the very beginning and he still doesn't know it yet.  In fact he can't seem to stop digging.  And McConnell is trying to set the world's hide and seek record.
 
2019-01-17 10:46:41 AM  

Silverstaff: The SotU is given in the House chambers because the House is larger and has the seating capacity to hold a joint session of Congress with the visitors that are also present at the SotU.

The Senate lacks the seating capacity to hold both Houses together, since there are more than 4 times as many Reps as there are Senators.

McConnell has no power to invite anyone to the House floor, and more than Pelosi could invite someone to speak in the Senate chambers.  He could invite Trump to give a speech in the Senate chambers, but there simply wouldn't be seating room to get the whole Congress there.  As there's also a shutdown in progress, there wouldn't easily be funding available either to rapidly make renovations or changes to the Senate chamber to allow such a function either.

It's a desperation move, and not one likely to work either.


You forget how monarchy works.
 
2019-01-17 10:46:42 AM  
To give a speech like the State of the Union before both the House and the Senate requires, obviously, the consent of both the House and the Senate.  Specifically through a concurrent resolution.

So I'll give the answer to any White House official reading this: no.  Without Nancy's help, Trump can't give a state of the union address.

Oh, he can give a speech before just the senate, or he can hold a rally somewhere (which is what my money would be betting on), but nothing he could honestly call a state of the union address.
 
2019-01-17 10:46:43 AM  

Miss5280: Tell you what: as soon as Nancy Pelosi can call for a vote on the Senate floor then Mitch McConnell can invite the president to give the state of the union. How's that?


What if Trump gives his state of the union from the senate floor?
 
2019-01-17 10:46:44 AM  

Badmoodman: Inviting a President to Capitol Hill to and give the State of the Union Address is typically the job of the Speaker of the House, but since Nancy ain't likely to do that, White House officials are trying to figure out if McConnell can

They have to find him first.


They'll find him pacing back & forth on top of a stack of bricks.
 
2019-01-17 10:46:50 AM  
Pelosi is denying Trump a turn before the cameras.

That's not FAIR.
 
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