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2019-01-16 09:30:44 AM  
"This is just a small part. We made it for $1.50. It's saving the United States Air Force $10 billion. It's saving their lives. You can't put a price on that," Moreland said, smiling.

What are you thinking kid? You're a defense contractor now! You charge the USAF at least $100k per part plus a 7-figure 1-time development contract, and charge them double in "retooling penalties" for any order beyond the initial production run. And try to get a long term maintenance contract thrown in too, make sure you have a job for the next 30 years.

Your heart is in the right place but this just doesn't meet our standards here at Lockheed Martin.
 
2019-01-16 09:48:25 AM  
That's pretty cool but $10 *billion*.  While I'm sure some contractor would have charged an ass and a left-nut for that, $10 billion is like worst case.

That reminds me of filling out AFTO-22 forms - "Drilling a hole in this test frame and inserting a $0.25 cotter pin will save the Air Force $436 million over the lifetime of the frame taking into account failure of all frames, the frames holding assets during failure, and the cost of replacement and cleanup."  Or better - "Moving step 12.4.5e to 12.4.5b and changing the numbering of subsequent steps as needed so that the forward mounting flange quick-release pin removal precedes removal of the rear pins will prevent possible damage to the forward mounting flange.  Damage to the forward mounting flange will result in assets removed from service for repair and possible transport to and from depots. This will potentially save the Air Force $74 million."
 
2019-01-16 10:07:16 AM  
"Now, I am become death; destroyer of wolds." - J.R. Oppenheimer
 
2019-01-16 10:08:40 AM  
You do know the military isn't paying 10k for toilet seats and hammers, right?
That's how they funnel money into projects they don't want you knowing about.
 
2019-01-16 10:08:50 AM  
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2019-01-16 10:12:20 AM  
So glad we could pull it together as a country to support our military industrial complex.
 
2019-01-16 10:13:34 AM  
[follow up tag] B-2 crashes after pilot unable to access critical switches during emergency.
 
2019-01-16 10:14:34 AM  
The original design was less than optimal.
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2019-01-16 10:15:07 AM  
You'd think the US military would be experts at thin flexible coverings that protect equipment that moves from one position to another position with just a slight touch.

Bow chika bow wow
 
2019-01-16 10:16:01 AM  
So this is what we do during a furlough?
 
2019-01-16 10:16:54 AM  
Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?
 
2019-01-16 10:17:25 AM  
Subby, it's not a "High School STEM class" - It's a FIRST Robotics Team, and good for them!

In many schools (not all, unfortunately), it's a lettered varsity activity. This year, teams are in the process of gearing up for competition in the "Deep Space" game, but before the big reveal, there are opportunities for teams to flex a little muscle by innovating solutions like this. It's one of the few varsity activities where you have a good chance to go from amateur to the pros (that is, earn a living as an engineer, in this case).
 
2019-01-16 10:18:42 AM  

majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?


Its a name that 14 and 15 year old boys came up with.   :P
 
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2019-01-16 10:23:15 AM  

majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?


My uncle owns property in this "town"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob_Li​c​k,_Missouri
 
2019-01-16 10:23:20 AM  
What a bunch of knob nosters.
 
2019-01-16 10:24:21 AM  
I've "flown" in a B-2 bomber simulator at Whiteman Air Force Base, with the guy who dropped the bomb on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in the other seat.  Neatest tour of a military installation I've ever taken.
 
2019-01-16 10:25:04 AM  

majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?


Either made up for this propaganda piece or a peer of such wonderful places as Intercourse and Blue Ball.
 
2019-01-16 10:27:12 AM  
The Air Force commissioned the students to create 33 of them, one for each B2 bomber, after pilots complained

Uhhh. I think I found what the $10,000 hammers have been paying for.
 
2019-01-16 10:28:46 AM  

jaytkay: The original design was less than optimal.
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Well, the smartest of people keep showing us why that is not an optimal design:
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/ B2?  Talk about looking for a long term commitment. You only really have to make 21.
 
2019-01-16 10:30:01 AM  
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2019-01-16 10:30:32 AM  

cowgirl toffee: majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?

Its a name that 14 and 15 year old boys came up with.   :P


That would be Knob Nosher.
 
2019-01-16 10:32:03 AM  

elgrancerdo: jaytkay: The original design was less than optimal.
[img.fark.net image 600x339]

Well, the smartest of people keep showing us why that is not an optimal design:
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/ B2?  Talk about looking for a long term commitment. You only really have to make 21.


No, it's cool. Superfluous quotation marks negate the imperative contained within.
 
2019-01-16 10:35:57 AM  
I read this article to my wife. She said accidentally touching the switch has never been my problem.
 
2019-01-16 10:38:38 AM  
$10 Billion must have been the "Well, lets just rewire every B-2 to move the switches somewhere else..." They probably did a feasibility study and everything... It's a miracle they managed to get off of that to "Uh, couldnt we just cover the things up?"
 
2019-01-16 10:40:07 AM  
Hey Subby!
NOT a "High School STEM class"
It's a FIRST FRC Robotics team - and publicity like this is important the their program.
Any chance you could change the headline to reflect this?
Thanks in any case for the link!
 
2019-01-16 10:41:19 AM  
Three days to print one farking cover? I own a 3D printer and the only way it would take three days to print that one box is if this was a government project......oh, wait, nevermind. Problem found. Unobtainium PLA is a biatch to source.


/ Ask the Wakandans for help next time will you?
 
2019-01-16 10:41:52 AM  

UberDave: That's pretty cool but $10 *billion*.  While I'm sure some contractor would have charged an ass and a left-nut for that, $10 billion is like worst case.

That reminds me of filling out AFTO-22 forms - "Drilling a hole in this test frame and inserting a $0.25 cotter pin will save the Air Force $436 million over the lifetime of the frame taking into account failure of all frames, the frames holding assets during failure, and the cost of replacement and cleanup."  Or better - "Moving step 12.4.5e to 12.4.5b and changing the numbering of subsequent steps as needed so that the forward mounting flange quick-release pin removal precedes removal of the rear pins will prevent possible damage to the forward mounting flange.  Damage to the forward mounting flange will result in assets removed from service for repair and possible transport to and from depots. This will potentially save the Air Force $74 million."


There was a SSGt when I was at Loring that ended up with an extra 20k doing that. And it was just as simple a fix as you describe.
 
2019-01-16 10:46:00 AM  

bucket_pup: Three days to print one farking cover? I own a 3D printer and the only way it would take three days to print that one box is if this was a government project......oh, wait, nevermind. Problem found. Unobtainium PLA is a biatch to source.


/ Ask the Wakandans for help next time will you?


Eh, the sad thing is, the AF needed them.

Sensible cockpit design to avoid this kind of thing has been around since at LEAST World War 2; flyboys should've learned from the first P38s that it's kind of important :/
 
2019-01-16 10:48:37 AM  
Remember that old cliche about schools having enough money and the military needing to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber?

I think they just solved both issues.
 
2019-01-16 10:49:23 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: "This is just a small part. We made it for $1.50. It's saving the United States Air Force $10 billion. It's saving their lives. You can't put a price on that," Moreland said, smiling.

What are you thinking kid? You're a defense contractor now! You charge the USAF at least $100k per part plus a 7-figure 1-time development contract, and charge them double in "retooling penalties" for any order beyond the initial production run. And try to get a long term maintenance contract thrown in too, make sure you have a job for the next 30 years.

Your heart is in the right place but this just doesn't meet our standards here at Lockheed Martin.


In my next life I want to be the CEO of a sole source supplier to the US military.


/And you forgot the cost plus contracts
 
2019-01-16 10:49:31 AM  

majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?


came here to say this.

Who the fark greenlit that name?
kick them in the nuts, rename the school, then kick them in the nuts again.
 
2019-01-16 10:54:10 AM  

mrsleep: You do know the military isn't paying 10k for toilet seats and hammers, right?
That's how they funnel money into projects they don't want you knowing about.


So stripper poles and cocaine?
 
2019-01-16 10:58:27 AM  

dionysusaur: cowgirl toffee: majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?

Its a name that 14 and 15 year old boys came up with.   :P

That would be Knob Nosher.


That sounds like a Navy base.
 
2019-01-16 11:00:18 AM  

majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?


Knob, a hill on a ridge
Noster, Latin for our.

Our Hill
 
2019-01-16 11:04:34 AM  

UberDave: That's pretty cool but $10 *billion*.  While I'm sure some contractor would have charged an ass and a left-nut for that, $10 billion is like worst case.

That reminds me of filling out AFTO-22 forms - "Drilling a hole in this test frame and inserting a $0.25 cotter pin will save the Air Force $436 million over the lifetime of the frame taking into account failure of all frames, the frames holding assets during failure, and the cost of replacement and cleanup."  Or better - "Moving step 12.4.5e to 12.4.5b and changing the numbering of subsequent steps as needed so that the forward mounting flange quick-release pin removal precedes removal of the rear pins will prevent possible damage to the forward mounting flange.  Damage to the forward mounting flange will result in assets removed from service for repair and possible transport to and from depots. This will potentially save the Air Force $74 million."


Hey, I resemble that remark.

During my time, I was low man on the totem pole.  As a result I had to create this nightly report of all aircraft engine usage to the minute and schedule subsequent time based inspections.  It was tedious and took about 45 minutes a day to do.  So I automated it in Excel.  Next thing I know I'm on some stage getting USAFE airman of the year in my job code because I saved the Air Force 1000 man hours per year and $10 million dollars.

Afterwards I received a stern talking to about military bearing because I was making some sour faces while they were reading off my achievements.
 
2019-01-16 11:04:50 AM  

bucket_pup: Three days to print one farking cover? I own a 3D printer and the only way it would take three days to print that one box is if this was a government project......oh, wait, nevermind. Problem found. Unobtainium PLA is a biatch to source.


/ Ask the Wakandans for help next time will you?


Maybe 3 days to print all 33 of them?
 
2019-01-16 11:06:52 AM  

igor.cash: majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?

Knob, a hill on a ridge
Noster, Latin for our.

Our Hill


I have no doubt that if they held a contest to change it, the new name would be Schooly McSchoolface.
 
2019-01-16 11:12:56 AM  
That's funny,  I have an ex girlfriend whose nickname was "Knob Noster"
 
2019-01-16 11:19:23 AM  

fuzzybacchus: That's funny,  I have an ex girlfriend whose nickname was "Knob Noster"


"try and not Noster any Knobs on your way through the parking lot!"
 
2019-01-16 11:24:24 AM  

bucket_pup: Three days to print one farking cover? I own a 3D printer and the only way it would take three days to print that one box is if this was a government project......oh, wait, nevermind. Problem found. Unobtainium PLA is a biatch to source.


/ Ask the Wakandans for help next time will you?


I read that as it took them 3 days in however many hours they have for their team to meet to design it, not that it took 3 days for the first print to complete.
 
2019-01-16 11:24:52 AM  
Would it be too much to ask the author to explain what it is these switches do and why it's such a big deal?
 
2019-01-16 11:26:21 AM  

Dangerous_sociopath: majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?

came here to say this.

Who the fark greenlit that name?
kick them in the nuts, rename the school, then kick them in the nuts again.


That's the name of the town. It's about 65 miles southeast of Kansas City MO. It's "rural".
 
2019-01-16 11:26:59 AM  

punkwrestler: dionysusaur: cowgirl toffee: majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?

Its a name that 14 and 15 year old boys came up with.   :P

That would be Knob Nosher.

That sounds like a Navy base.


To be specific, a submarine base.
 
2019-01-16 11:27:25 AM  

China White Tea: Would it be too much to ask the author to explain what it is these switches do and why it's such a big deal?


They did in as much detail as you need, flip all 4 switches and it results in an emergency landing.
 
2019-01-16 11:28:26 AM  

TheSwizz: UberDave: That's pretty cool but $10 *billion*.  While I'm sure some contractor would have charged an ass and a left-nut for that, $10 billion is like worst case.

That reminds me of filling out AFTO-22 forms - "Drilling a hole in this test frame and inserting a $0.25 cotter pin will save the Air Force $436 million over the lifetime of the frame taking into account failure of all frames, the frames holding assets during failure, and the cost of replacement and cleanup."  Or better - "Moving step 12.4.5e to 12.4.5b and changing the numbering of subsequent steps as needed so that the forward mounting flange quick-release pin removal precedes removal of the rear pins will prevent possible damage to the forward mounting flange.  Damage to the forward mounting flange will result in assets removed from service for repair and possible transport to and from depots. This will potentially save the Air Force $74 million."

Hey, I resemble that remark.

During my time, I was low man on the totem pole.  As a result I had to create this nightly report of all aircraft engine usage to the minute and schedule subsequent time based inspections.  It was tedious and took about 45 minutes a day to do.  So I automated it in Excel.  Next thing I know I'm on some stage getting USAFE airman of the year in my job code because I saved the Air Force 1000 man hours per year and $10 million dollars.

Afterwards I received a stern talking to about military bearing because I was making some sour faces while they were reading off my achievements.


That's pretty good.  I used my pre-degree programming skills to lock people out of their computers unless they typed the words "I am a pansy" or put icon chasers on the shop chief's computer.

In the early post-CAMS days, when they put 486s and Pentiums everywhere, there was virtually no security.
 
2019-01-16 11:30:34 AM  

igor.cash: majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?

Knob, a hill on a ridge
Noster, Latin for our.

Our Hill


You get out of here with your logical and smart explanation. We're trying to make fun of a small town in Middle America here.
 
2019-01-16 11:35:20 AM  

China White Tea: Would it be too much to ask the author to explain what it is these switches do and why it's such a big deal?


Um, read the article? More thoroughly maybe. Peace.
 
2019-01-16 11:42:32 AM  

robodog: China White Tea: Would it be too much to ask the author to explain what it is these switches do and why it's such a big deal?

They did in as much detail as you need, flip all 4 switches and it results in an emergency landing.


Yes, but why.  I'm betting it's not the cause-an-emergency-landing switchbox.
 
2019-01-16 11:42:51 AM  

majestic: Knob Noster? WTF kind of name is that?


Switchy McSwitchface.
 
2019-01-16 11:45:30 AM  
$10 billion? Is the assumption that without this switch cover, half the B-2s will fly directly into the ground and explode? Good for the students. I'm sure it was a great learning opportunity. However, I think someone's fudging the numbers a wee bit.
 
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