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2019-01-12 07:10:23 PM  
So they shouldn't be prepared to defend themselves against the person who allegedly murdered this girl's parent and then kidnapped her? Is that what you're saying, submitter? I mean they have no way of knowing whether or not he followed her to their home, but they took precautions just in case he did.
 
2019-01-12 07:23:56 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: So they shouldn't be prepared to defend themselves against the person who allegedly murdered this girl's parent and then kidnapped her? Is that what you're saying, submitter? I mean they have no way of knowing whether or not he followed her to their home, but they took precautions just in case he did.


I can support loading up the ol' shotgun under these circumstances. I'd hope I would be able to restrain myself from simply killing the guy who she said kidnapped her, assuming that he came looking for her. But either way. Not really into the whole vigilante thing but there are circumstances where I won't judge.
 
2019-01-12 08:19:44 PM  

wademh: Bathia_Mapes: So they shouldn't be prepared to defend themselves against the person who allegedly murdered this girl's parent and then kidnapped her? Is that what you're saying, submitter? I mean they have no way of knowing whether or not he followed her to their home, but they took precautions just in case he did.

I can support loading up the ol' shotgun under these circumstances. I'd hope I would be able to restrain myself from simply killing the guy who she said kidnapped her, assuming that he came looking for her. But either way. Not really into the whole vigilante thing but there are circumstances where I won't judge.


oh no, that MF'r be dead before he touched my door knob.
 
2019-01-12 09:08:08 PM  
This would be an appropriate use of guns. One could also load everyone into one's car and drive to the police. Or hide the girl and deny all knowledge of her to the perp. Or phone a friend with guns or the ability to defend against them.
 
2019-01-12 09:09:17 PM  

LadySusan: This would be an appropriate use of guns. One could also load everyone into one's car and drive to the police. Or hide the girl and deny all knowledge of her to the perp. Or phone a friend with guns or the ability to defend against them.


Phone a friend with guns?  Can that friend show up instantly?  Get real.
 
2019-01-12 09:22:08 PM  

The_Sponge: LadySusan: This would be an appropriate use of guns. One could also load everyone into one's car and drive to the police. Or hide the girl and deny all knowledge of her to the perp. Or phone a friend with guns or the ability to defend against them.

Phone a friend with guns?  Can that friend show up instantly?  Get real.


Let's say I don't own a gun. For example, I might have a temper and depression and decide that gun ownership is something I responsibly don't want to do. That doesn't mean I need to piss myself in fear in a dangerous situation. These are alternatives. I listed several. I'm sure there are more. If I have a friend who owns guns who gets to my house before the perp does in our hypothetical situation then we're good.

Maybe you don't have any friends so don't use that option. Maybe you own a gun, so use that option. Maybe you don't own a working car, have no friends, and are out of ammo. Well, then hide the girl and deny all knowledge of her.

Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?
 
2019-01-12 09:28:35 PM  

LadySusan: The_Sponge: LadySusan: This would be an appropriate use of guns. One could also load everyone into one's car and drive to the police. Or hide the girl and deny all knowledge of her to the perp. Or phone a friend with guns or the ability to defend against them.

Phone a friend with guns?  Can that friend show up instantly?  Get real.

Let's say I don't own a gun. For example, I might have a temper and depression and decide that gun ownership is something I responsibly don't want to do. That doesn't mean I need to piss myself in fear in a dangerous situation. These are alternatives. I listed several. I'm sure there are more. If I have a friend who owns guns who gets to my house before the perp does in our hypothetical situation then we're good.

Maybe you don't have any friends so don't use that option. Maybe you own a gun, so use that option. Maybe you don't own a working car, have no friends, and are out of ammo. Well, then hide the girl and deny all knowledge of her.

Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?


Nobody pissed on my breakfast.  But you seem ridiculously anti-firearm....since you offered some silly alternatives.

Deny that she is there?  Yeah....like that will stop a psycho who murdered her parents.
 
2019-01-12 09:56:31 PM  
if demonrats were in charge they'd mandate houses be built of straw for wolves to blow them down!
 
2019-01-12 10:04:21 PM  

Munden: if demonrats were in charge they'd mandate houses be built of straw for wolves to blow them down!


I enjoyed reading this comment pertaining to the article:
"It delights me to no end to see the left froth at the mouth that Americans still have rights and still use them."
 
2019-01-12 10:06:33 PM  
Yeah, i'd do the same thing.
 
2019-01-12 10:07:07 PM  
Kidnapped girl arrives in your house? Yeah, grab your guns

Okay, subs.  You sure sound like you're all knowledgeable about escaped kidnapped victims and their captors.
 
2019-01-12 10:07:59 PM  
I have to say I would have reacted the same and I am a pretty staunch liberal (though I do have some guns because I like shooting, mostly cowboy action black powder).
 
2019-01-12 10:09:11 PM  
This is sensationalism.
 
2019-01-12 10:10:21 PM  
Yeah, if any situation called for having a firearm handy, that sounds like it.
 
2019-01-12 10:11:03 PM  
Yes, that is exactly what you should do.

Then put it away as soon as the cops pull up.
 
2019-01-12 10:13:08 PM  

The_Sponge: LadySusan: The_Sponge: LadySusan: This would be an appropriate use of guns. One could also load everyone into one's car and drive to the police. Or hide the girl and deny all knowledge of her to the perp. Or phone a friend with guns or the ability to defend against them.

Phone a friend with guns?  Can that friend show up instantly?  Get real.

Let's say I don't own a gun. For example, I might have a temper and depression and decide that gun ownership is something I responsibly don't want to do. That doesn't mean I need to piss myself in fear in a dangerous situation. These are alternatives. I listed several. I'm sure there are more. If I have a friend who owns guns who gets to my house before the perp does in our hypothetical situation then we're good.

Maybe you don't have any friends so don't use that option. Maybe you own a gun, so use that option. Maybe you don't own a working car, have no friends, and are out of ammo. Well, then hide the girl and deny all knowledge of her.

Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?

Nobody pissed on my breakfast.  But you seem ridiculously anti-firearm....since you offered some silly alternatives.

Deny that she is there?  Yeah....like that will stop a psycho who murdered her parents.


JFC my very first sentence was that this was an appropriate use of a gun. Because I wanted to make it clear that this was an appropriate time to own a gun.

But you know what's also true? Just because you have a hammer doesn't mean all problems are nails. So, just for the fun of it, I listed other things that might be useful. Given that in reality the perp did not come to the rescuers house they could have decided to wear clown costumes and sing rap songs with banjos while eating chili with marshmallows and it would have had the same result. The police got there first and the perp was arrested.

Try and grow your mind and come up with some other ideas. Trebuchet? Spiked fence? Chloroform? Or just keep chanting guns, guns, guns, guns, guns.
 
2019-01-12 10:13:33 PM  
Situations like this are why I have my M249 in my car.
 
2019-01-12 10:14:32 PM  
Way to make it lame Subby. I live in Sweden. I've been hoping this girl made it out alive for 3 goddamn months, despite having zero history with Wisconsin or anywhere around there. And someone finally submits a Fark headline and makes it about guns for absolutely no reason? Get bent, asshole. Be glad she made it out alive.
 
2019-01-12 10:15:11 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: This is sensationalism.


will be a Law and Order episode for sure.
 
2019-01-12 10:15:16 PM  

The_Sponge: Deny that she is there?  Yeah....like that will stop a psycho who murdered her parents.


yeah, he already killed at least 2 people. now he's looking for the bit of evidence that ran away... I would have no reason to believe he wouldn't also be looking to kill the person (me) he basically just confessed to by asking if I had seen her. And I wouldn't trust my acting skills to fool a murderer/kidnapper when I was under duress.
And while I also find LadySusan's questionable awareness somewhat amusing, I can't argue that a friend or family member would almost certainly be more motivated to show up more quickly than the police might.
I recall that scenario even made it to an episode of cops once... Somebody was trying to break into an apartment, so the residents called a neighbor first, then the cops second. By the time the cops showed up the situation was LONG over and the intruder was on the front lawn doing an awesome impression of ambient temperature.
 
2019-01-12 10:15:19 PM  
This thread is doomed.
 
2019-01-12 10:18:30 PM  

stappawho: Yes, that is exactly what you should do.

Then put it away as soon as the cops pull up.


also very good advice.
You can tell the dispatcher over and over that the scene is secure, and that the girl was having a nice hot cup of cocoa and merrily eating s'mores... you have no guarantee that the cops get any more info than "escaped hostage, suspected murder involved"
 
2019-01-12 10:22:29 PM  

tzzhc4: I have to say I would have reacted the same and I am a pretty staunch liberal (though I do have some guns because I like shooting, mostly cowboy action black powder).


While Frontier Cartridge Gunfighter is how I usually roll, in this case I think I would have gone with the S&W .357.
 
2019-01-12 10:23:47 PM  

LadySusan: The_Sponge: LadySusan: The_Sponge: LadySusan: This would be an appropriate use of guns. One could also load everyone into one's car and drive to the police. Or hide the girl and deny all knowledge of her to the perp. Or phone a friend with guns or the ability to defend against them.

Phone a friend with guns?  Can that friend show up instantly?  Get real.

Let's say I don't own a gun. For example, I might have a temper and depression and decide that gun ownership is something I responsibly don't want to do. That doesn't mean I need to piss myself in fear in a dangerous situation. These are alternatives. I listed several. I'm sure there are more. If I have a friend who owns guns who gets to my house before the perp does in our hypothetical situation then we're good.

Maybe you don't have any friends so don't use that option. Maybe you own a gun, so use that option. Maybe you don't own a working car, have no friends, and are out of ammo. Well, then hide the girl and deny all knowledge of her.

Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?

Nobody pissed on my breakfast.  But you seem ridiculously anti-firearm....since you offered some silly alternatives.

Deny that she is there?  Yeah....like that will stop a psycho who murdered her parents.

JFC my very first sentence was that this was an appropriate use of a gun. Because I wanted to make it clear that this was an appropriate time to own a gun.

But you know what's also true? Just because you have a hammer doesn't mean all problems are nails. So, just for the fun of it, I listed other things that might be useful. Given that in reality the perp did not come to the rescuers house they could have decided to wear clown costumes and sing rap songs with banjos while eating chili with marshmallows and it would have had the same result. The police got there first and the perp was arrested.

Try and grow your mind and come up with some other ideas. Trebuchet? Spiked fence? Chloroform? Or just keep chanting guns, guns, guns, guns, guns.


Firearms were the best option in this scenario.

But please...tell us how much you support The Second Amendment.
 
2019-01-12 10:25:10 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: The_Sponge: Deny that she is there?  Yeah....like that will stop a psycho who murdered her parents.

yeah, he already killed at least 2 people. now he's looking for the bit of evidence that ran away... I would have no reason to believe he wouldn't also be looking to kill the person (me) he basically just confessed to by asking if I had seen her. And I wouldn't trust my acting skills to fool a murderer/kidnapper when I was under duress.
And while I also find LadySusan's questionable awareness somewhat amusing, I can't argue that a friend or family member would almost certainly be more motivated to show up more quickly than the police might.
I recall that scenario even made it to an episode of cops once... Somebody was trying to break into an apartment, so the residents called a neighbor first, then the cops second. By the time the cops showed up the situation was LONG over and the intruder was on the front lawn doing an awesome impression of ambient temperature.


Bingo.

The better situation is if the home owners had killed that piece of garbage.
 
2019-01-12 10:25:16 PM  
Was there a point during the preparation for armed melee at which someone thought "you know, we probably ought to call the cops about this"?
 
2019-01-12 10:25:37 PM  
I have only one gun, a black powder navy revolver, and I would load that thing while the cops were on the way. The cops probably get there before I loaded it.
 
2019-01-12 10:26:35 PM  
I've had to hold off an abusive father whose daughter ran to my friend's place for help while waiting for the cops to arrive. He was drunk and violent, but not stupid enough to try to rush us while I and my friend each had a 12 gauge pointed at him. We put them away when the cops pulled up and arrested him.
 
2019-01-12 10:28:06 PM  

Boojum2k: I've had to hold off an abusive father whose daughter ran to my friend's place for help while waiting for the cops to arrive. He was drunk and violent, but not stupid enough to try to rush us while I and my friend each had a 12 gauge pointed at him. We put them away when the cops pulled up and arrested him.


Racking a pump shotgun is universal language.
 
2019-01-12 10:28:28 PM  
I would have gone with the advice given by Joe Biden.  Walk outside, fire two shot into the air, then poop in your pants.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti​c​le-2281507/Joe-Biden-shotgun-Biden-urg​es-Americans-blasts-protect-using-AR-1​5.html
 
2019-01-12 10:29:04 PM  

munko: wademh: Bathia_Mapes: So they shouldn't be prepared to defend themselves against the person who allegedly murdered this girl's parent and then kidnapped her? Is that what you're saying, submitter? I mean they have no way of knowing whether or not he followed her to their home, but they took precautions just in case he did.

I can support loading up the ol' shotgun under these circumstances. I'd hope I would be able to restrain myself from simply killing the guy who she said kidnapped her, assuming that he came looking for her. But either way. Not really into the whole vigilante thing but there are circumstances where I won't judge.

oh no, that MF'r be dead before he touched my door knob.


I agree with your sentiment, but that would probably land you in the slammer, quick, and for awhile.
 
2019-01-12 10:29:06 PM  
FTA: He reportedly shaved his head so he wouldn't leave forensic evidence when he kidnapped Closs

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Looks like he's been planning it for years. That's a rough hairline for a 21 year old.
 
2019-01-12 10:29:26 PM  
I'd make sure to point 100 guns and a cruise missile at her face until the cops showed up, then I'd shoot them and myself. Guns! Guns! Guns! fark yeaaahah. Blarrrgr.
 
2019-01-12 10:29:34 PM  
I'm glad they finally found the girl and that she can find some comfort in knowing that the guy who killed her parents and abducted her was an American and not an illegal alien. I'm sure the D.A. will take that mitigating factor into account and let the guy plead down.
 
2019-01-12 10:30:31 PM  

tzzhc4: I have to say I would have reacted the same and I am a pretty staunch liberal (though I do have some guns because I like shooting, mostly cowboy action black powder).


Manly pinkie shake.
 
2019-01-12 10:31:16 PM  

This About That: Was there a point during the preparation for armed melee at which someone thought "you know, we probably ought to call the cops about this"?


FTFA:
the Kasinskas family sprung into action, taking two steps before most anything else. They called 911. And they grabbed their firearms, in case the kidnapped teen's abductorwas in pursuit.
 
2019-01-12 10:32:12 PM  

kbronsito: I'm glad they finally found the girl and that she can find some comfort in knowing that the guy who killed her parents and abducted her was an American and not an illegal alien. I'm sure the D.A. will take that mitigating factor into account and let the guy plead down.


Oh FFS.
 
2019-01-12 10:33:12 PM  
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2019-01-12 10:36:57 PM  
So the thread about Jayme miraculously escaping is just going to be a bunch of ammosexuals rubbing one out with gun oil? And Wisconsin is full if Swedes, you'd feel quite comfortable there. Uff da.
 
2019-01-12 10:37:13 PM  
Not sure if subby is 1) ammosexual trying to make hamfisted-but-non-applicable point about reasonable gun control, or 2) freaked out ubernancy.
 
2019-01-12 10:38:58 PM  

loki see loki do: kbronsito: I'm glad they finally found the girl and that she can find some comfort in knowing that the guy who killed her parents and abducted her was an American and not an illegal alien. I'm sure the D.A. will take that mitigating factor into account and let the guy plead down.

Oh FFS.


He's not far off, the local confederate flag wavers were so ready to hang a Somali immigrant over this. They had to close comments in the local media.
 
2019-01-12 10:39:21 PM  
Yeah, given that the kidnapper already murdered 2 people what these folks did seems prudent.
 
2019-01-12 10:40:13 PM  

kbronsito: I'm glad they finally found the girl and that she can find some comfort in knowing that the guy who killed her parents and abducted her was an American and not an illegal alien. I'm sure the D.A. will take that mitigating factor into account and let the guy plead down.


You know that Hannity had a stiffie in anticipation of the kidnapper being an undocumented migrant
 
2019-01-12 10:41:30 PM  

This About That: Was there a point during the preparation for armed melee at which someone thought "you know, we probably ought to call the cops about this"?


Did you read the link?
 
2019-01-12 10:43:59 PM  
Come on, Subby. Out yourself and explain your angle here.
 
2019-01-12 10:45:26 PM  

The_Sponge: Boojum2k: I've had to hold off an abusive father whose daughter ran to my friend's place for help while waiting for the cops to arrive. He was drunk and violent, but not stupid enough to try to rush us while I and my friend each had a 12 gauge pointed at him. We put them away when the cops pulled up and arrested him.

Racking a pump shotgun is universal language.


I speak a different dialect.
.300 blackout AR pistol with a silencer. aimpoint pro if I want to sight, laser if I don't have that luxury.
I keep it with a full mag and the bolt locked back, on safe. That way it requires two very simple operations to be ready to shoot, but both are accomplished while picking it up.
so no "shiiik-shiiik" is spoken here, just "SHKKK-click".
I really was planning to move to a nicer neighborhood, but work strongly suggested I apply for the local spot they have me filling in at.
We'll see.
 
2019-01-12 10:48:00 PM  

schubie: So the thread about Jayme miraculously escaping is just going to be a bunch of ammosexuals rubbing one out with gun oil? And Wisconsin is full if Swedes, you'd feel quite comfortable there. Uff da.


Hey....most comments in this thread are in response to Subby's headline.

Skin color or religion be damned...that psycho piece of garbage who is a murderer and kidnapper deserves to die.
 
2019-01-12 10:48:06 PM  
I'm shocked that FoxNews would unnecessarily highlight the gun aspect of this story in the lead to the article.  Shocked I say.
 
2019-01-12 10:48:09 PM  
kinda surprised he hasn't been murdered yet inside.
 
2019-01-12 10:51:05 PM  

soupafi: kinda surprised he hasn't been murdered yet inside.


Hopefully soon....let him hang out with the genetal population.
 
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