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2019-01-12 12:29:46 PM  
"But I need those for my cocaine!"
 
2019-01-12 01:54:56 PM  
You can take my straw when you pry it out of my cold dead nose
 
2019-01-12 02:07:34 PM  
fark straws... they need to ban those plastic dental floss holders. I see them in every parking lot.
 
2019-01-12 02:10:41 PM  
Speaking as someone who prefers straws, I'll get over it
 
2019-01-12 02:11:31 PM  
Blessed are the peacemakers

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2019-01-12 02:13:16 PM  
Put 100 "paper" stars on the good chemistry lab scale and record the weight. Put a "paper" straws in liquid for a day. Remove them, let them dry out for several days and reweigh them.

Now how much of their wax coating went away? That stuff is micro-plastics which will be ingested and its small enough that it will go through the filters at the sewage treatment plant.

Now calculate how many more tons of plastic ends up in the ocean.
/extra points for soaking them in alcohol.
 
2019-01-12 02:13:25 PM  
This is stupid shiat. Look at the travel infudustry--do you know hoe many little plastic cups airlines go through in a day? How many little plastic cups and wrappers hotels go through? Soap wrappers, condiment wrappers, et-farking-cetera.


Make recycling feasible and rewarding.
Win-win.
 
2019-01-12 02:17:39 PM  
Has anybody thought of the black market? I was warned to beware of strangers bearing used soda straws

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2019-01-12 02:20:18 PM  

fastfxr: This is stupid shiat. Look at the travel infudustry--do you know hoe many little plastic cups airlines go through in a day? How many little plastic cups and wrappers hotels go through? Soap wrappers, condiment wrappers, et-farking-cetera.


Make recycling feasible and rewarding.
Win-win.


Problem with recycling is that it isn't feasible. Since single stream recycling became popular the amount of 'recycling' that ends up in the trash has increase from 8% to 20%. Much of what comes in is fouled or not actually recyclable.
 
2019-01-12 02:27:47 PM  
Grasping at straws is the correct phrase.
 
2019-01-12 02:40:42 PM  
Targeting straws is not productive.  The original story about the amount of plastic straw pollution was completely wrong (it was a kid's science project).  Plus, the vast majority of plastic waste in the ocean is from Asia and South East Asia.  The USA is already doing a pretty good job of waste management.  There's always room for improvement, but we're running up against a wall of diminishing returns.  Concentrate environmental efforts where it would make the most impact.
 
2019-01-12 02:41:49 PM  
FTA: "We thought it would be easier to convince bigger organizations to share our views if we could first convince our school," Ava Inskeep said.

Hmm, I wonder...
*Googles*
Yep.
[NPR host Steve] Inskeep and his wife, Carolee, have a daughter, Ava, who was born in 2005.
 
2019-01-12 02:42:52 PM  
First, those thirteen year old girls came for my straws...and I told them to return in five years and ask again.
 
2019-01-12 02:43:25 PM  

wax_on: fastfxr: This is stupid shiat. Look at the travel infudustry--do you know hoe many little plastic cups airlines go through in a day? How many little plastic cups and wrappers hotels go through? Soap wrappers, condiment wrappers, et-farking-cetera.


Make recycling feasible and rewarding.
Win-win.

Problem with recycling is that it isn't feasible. Since single stream recycling became popular the amount of 'recycling' that ends up in the trash has increase from 8% to 20%. Much of what comes in is fouled or not actually recyclable.


Yeppers. Aluminum with food on it isn't typically recyclable. Plastics with soda in them don't fare much better.

A lot of recycling never actually gets recycled. It just gets compacted and sent to Mexico or China where it just sits around, likely for prices to increase or better technology to come along to make it worth salvaging.

It's a huge mess. At the very least compaction and storing it out in the desert keeps it out of the ocean. Meanwhile glass is so cheap many places don't even offer recycling at all, much less the chance for rebottling.

Ive long thought about the problem, but it seems nothing short of battalions of androids could ever go through a landfill and sort it all. That or we could just grind everything up and sort it by density after carbon-based stuff rots off. Truth is, industrialized society never planned on what to do with waste material or goods. We just do like we've done since we became multi-cellular organisms; just throw it away. At least back then we stuck with biodegradables
 
2019-01-12 02:43:43 PM  
Individually-wrapped American cheese slices drive me nuts.  It was easy and fast to peel multiple slices off the old pre-sliced logs.
 
2019-01-12 02:45:40 PM  

fastfxr: This is stupid shiat. Look at the travel infudustry--do you know hoe many little plastic cups airlines go through in a day? How many little plastic cups and wrappers hotels go through? Soap wrappers, condiment wrappers, et-farking-cetera.


Make recycling feasible and rewarding.
Win-win.


All good stuff to put on the list of single use items that need to be sharply curtailed. Straws are just the start.
 
2019-01-12 02:46:15 PM  
you can always bring your own utensils and not use a straw.
there are options out there that don't require a movement or march
just saying.
 
2019-01-12 02:49:11 PM  

OgreMagi: Targeting straws is not productive.  The original story about the amount of plastic straw pollution was completely wrong (it was a kid's science project).  Plus, the vast majority of plastic waste in the ocean is from Asia and South East Asia.  The USA is already doing a pretty good job of waste management.  There's always room for improvement, but we're running up against a wall of diminishing returns.  Concentrate environmental efforts where it would make the most impact.


How many times have you posted that same screed? Yep, China needs to up their game with plastics. That in no way means the us should not lead the effort to curtail our obscene generation of single use plastics.
 
2019-01-12 03:05:54 PM  
paper straws are fine, you'll get over it
 
2019-01-12 03:07:33 PM  

JohnBigBootay: OgreMagi: Targeting straws is not productive.  The original story about the amount of plastic straw pollution was completely wrong (it was a kid's science project).  Plus, the vast majority of plastic waste in the ocean is from Asia and South East Asia.  The USA is already doing a pretty good job of waste management.  There's always room for improvement, but we're running up against a wall of diminishing returns.  Concentrate environmental efforts where it would make the most impact.

How many times have you posted that same screed? Yep, China needs to up their game with plastics. That in no way means the us should not lead the effort to curtail our obscene generation of single use plastics.


So you don't care about what's actually the most efficient use of regulatory effort, or what will give the greatest benefit for the least cost, and uncertainly not the unintended consequences of "well-meaning" measures, it's just important to attack products you somehow see yourself fit to judge as "obscene." That's not creepy at all and does not in any way make "environmentalism" look like some sort of kooky modern religion.
 
2019-01-12 03:17:47 PM  
Why doesn't their school cafeteria use metal utensils that can be washed and reused? My middle school used to have the disposable styrofoam trays and plastic forks, and a petition by students got the entire school district to switch to reusable trays and metal utensils. This was in the early 1990s.
 
2019-01-12 03:19:20 PM  

DON.MAC: Now how much of their wax coating went away? That stuff is micro-plastics


Since when is wax a micro-plastic? It's wax (if not made from petroleum) a biodegradable plant substance? That's my understanding of where carnauba wax comes from.
 
2019-01-12 03:20:33 PM  

redsquid: fark straws... they need to ban those plastic dental floss holders. I see them in every parking lot.


Literally everywhere.
 
2019-01-12 03:21:19 PM  

Stibium: Plastics with soda in them don't fare much better.


I thought the plastic gets ground up into smaller pieces for compact storage and transport to recycling. Can't the plastic containers with soda in them go through a rinse cycle to clean the contaminants out of them?
 
2019-01-12 03:22:18 PM  

DON.MAC: Put 100 "paper" stars on the good chemistry lab scale and record the weight. Put a "paper" straws in liquid for a day. Remove them, let them dry out for several days and reweigh them.

Now how much of their wax coating went away? That stuff is micro-plastics which will be ingested and its small enough that it will go through the filters at the sewage treatment plant.

Now calculate how many more tons of plastic ends up in the ocean.
/extra points for soaking them in alcohol.


And inside you from drinking through it.
 
2019-01-12 03:25:28 PM  
When I ask for no utensils I get them anyway 60% of the time.

No lid please at Starbucks about the same ratio.
 
2019-01-12 03:26:18 PM  
Plastic items should be provided on request only by law
 
2019-01-12 03:26:54 PM  

mrmopar5287: DON.MAC: Now how much of their wax coating went away? That stuff is micro-plastics

Since when is wax a micro-plastic? It's wax (if not made from petroleum) a biodegradable plant substance? That's my understanding of where carnauba wax comes from.


Since about 1973 with the oil crises. They started using plastic/was mix on cardboard milk cartons.
 
2019-01-12 03:29:13 PM  

Stibium: wax_on: fastfxr: This is stupid shiat. Look at the travel infudustry--do you know hoe many little plastic cups airlines go through in a day? How many little plastic cups and wrappers hotels go through? Soap wrappers, condiment wrappers, et-farking-cetera.


Make recycling feasible and rewarding.
Win-win.

Problem with recycling is that it isn't feasible. Since single stream recycling became popular the amount of 'recycling' that ends up in the trash has increase from 8% to 20%. Much of what comes in is fouled or not actually recyclable.

Yeppers. Aluminum with food on it isn't typically recyclable. Plastics with soda in them don't fare much better.

A lot of recycling never actually gets recycled. It just gets compacted and sent to Mexico or China where it just sits around, likely for prices to increase or better technology to come along to make it worth salvaging.

It's a huge mess. At the very least compaction and storing it out in the desert keeps it out of the ocean. Meanwhile glass is so cheap many places don't even offer recycling at all, much less the chance for rebottling.

Ive long thought about the problem, but it seems nothing short of battalions of androids could ever go through a landfill and sort it all. That or we could just grind everything up and sort it by density after carbon-based stuff rots off. Truth is, industrialized society never planned on what to do with waste material or goods. We just do like we've done since we became multi-cellular organisms; just throw it away. At least back then we stuck with biodegradables


I don't think humans will survive long enough to worry about what happens to our garbage in the long term.
But if we do just think of how valuable those landfills will be to scavengers after the coming cull.
When there aren't enough hu-mons left to manufacture new shiat, all that old garbage will become precious!
Reduce and re-use, we won't have a choice.
 
2019-01-12 03:33:29 PM  

zepillin: When I ask for no utensils I get them anyway 60% of the time.

No lid please at Starbucks about the same ratio.


The lid is there to stop messes and hot coffee from bing spilled on others and the liability issues means its going to be put on the cup most of the time until the next lawsuit when it will be mandatory. The soda cups are made much thiner because of their plastic top is part of the structure. Ray Kroc from McD spent lots of money reducing the materials used in the cups. He worked for a paper cup company before starting McD. If you don't put a straw in it, it shouldn't leak when on its side. Part of the engineering that went into the design was mess reduction.
 
2019-01-12 03:39:59 PM  

mrmopar5287: Stibium: Plastics with soda in them don't fare much better.

I thought the plastic gets ground up into smaller pieces for compact storage and transport to recycling. Can't the plastic containers with soda in them go through a rinse cycle to clean the contaminants out of them?


I used to imagine that recycling  plants had super industrial washers and separation methods to take care of all the dirty recyclables. But nope. Amything with an adhesive or food residue or basically anything that isn't cleaned like it's pristine and new either just gets thrown away/contaminates the process and then gets thrown away.
The main purpose of recycling is to make us feel better about ourselves, most of it just eventually ends up in a landfill here or in China. China stopped accepting our recyclables last year because they're too dirty to process.
And even if you do clean all your trash so it's pristine, you're using up water to clean it so...

Pointless.
 
2019-01-12 03:45:38 PM  

mrmopar5287: Stibium: Plastics with soda in them don't fare much better.

I thought the plastic gets ground up into smaller pieces for compact storage and transport to recycling. Can't the plastic containers with soda in them go through a rinse cycle to clean the contaminants out of them?


The modern processing systems pick out bottles, cans and glass out of the generic mess in the 1st pass. The second pass goes after the cardboard. Then its is often sent back through the same machines for the 1st two passes again. The metal is separated from the plastic which is often float sorted which is why they want the bottles not crushed too much and have their lids put on them. Those bottles get shredded and separated into caps, bottle and label plastics and all three of those get fully recycled.
 
2019-01-12 03:46:57 PM  

DON.MAC: mrmopar5287: Stibium: Plastics with soda in them don't fare much better.

I thought the plastic gets ground up into smaller pieces for compact storage and transport to recycling. Can't the plastic containers with soda in them go through a rinse cycle to clean the contaminants out of them?

The modern processing systems pick out bottles, cans and glass out of the generic mess in the 1st pass. The second pass goes after the cardboard. Then its is often sent back through the same machines for the 1st two passes again. The metal is separated from the plastic which is often float sorted which is why they want the bottles not crushed too much and have their lids put on them. Those bottles get shredded and separated into caps, bottle and label plastics and all three of those get fully recycled.


Suuuuure they do.

/jk
 
2019-01-12 03:49:12 PM  

Twenty Dollar Tomato: I used to imagine that recycling  plants had super industrial washers and separation methods to take care of all the dirty recyclables. But nope. Amything with an adhesive or food residue or basically anything that isn't cleaned like it's pristine and new either just gets thrown away/contaminates the process and then gets thrown away.


The solutions they use to separate the different types of plastic will dissolve food in a modern recycling sorting facility. If that doesn't work, it gets turned into fuel or landfilled.
 
2019-01-12 03:49:37 PM  
zepillin

Plastic items should be provided on request only by law

Or contractual obligation.

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2019-01-12 04:01:09 PM  

DON.MAC: mrmopar5287: Stibium: Plastics with soda in them don't fare much better.

I thought the plastic gets ground up into smaller pieces for compact storage and transport to recycling. Can't the plastic containers with soda in them go through a rinse cycle to clean the contaminants out of them?

The modern processing systems pick out bottles, cans and glass out of the generic mess in the 1st pass. The second pass goes after the cardboard. Then its is often sent back through the same machines for the 1st two passes again. The metal is separated from the plastic which is often float sorted which is why they want the bottles not crushed too much and have their lids put on them. Those bottles get shredded and separated into caps, bottle and label plastics and all three of those get fully recycled.


One of the problems is that the trash is compacted when it's collected so lots of the material gets fouled by other materials or crushed/broken.
 
2019-01-12 04:10:02 PM  
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Problem Solved.
 
2019-01-12 04:20:09 PM  
Plastic grocery bags are worse. They're everywhere.
 
2019-01-12 04:22:09 PM  

MolsonCanadian: JohnBigBootay: OgreMagi: Targeting straws is not productive.  The original story about the amount of plastic straw pollution was completely wrong (it was a kid's science project).  Plus, the vast majority of plastic waste in the ocean is from Asia and South East Asia.  The USA is already doing a pretty good job of waste management.  There's always room for improvement, but we're running up against a wall of diminishing returns.  Concentrate environmental efforts where it would make the most impact.

How many times have you posted that same screed? Yep, China needs to up their game with plastics. That in no way means the us should not lead the effort to curtail our obscene generation of single use plastics.

So you don't care about what's actually the most efficient use of regulatory effort, or what will give the greatest benefit for the least cost, and uncertainly not the unintended consequences of "well-meaning" measures, it's just important to attack products you somehow see yourself fit to judge as "obscene." That's not creepy at all and does not in any way make "environmentalism" look like some sort of kooky modern religion.


I care about what's most effective. Who wouldn't? I'm also just fine starting 'somewhere'. We can do lots and lots of things. Your bullshiat argument assumes we can only do one and the others are wastes of time. You're wrong.
 
2019-01-12 04:57:44 PM  

MolsonCanadian: JohnBigBootay: OgreMagi: Targeting straws is not productive.  The original story about the amount of plastic straw pollution was completely wrong (it was a kid's science project).  Plus, the vast majority of plastic waste in the ocean is from Asia and South East Asia.  The USA is already doing a pretty good job of waste management.  There's always room for improvement, but we're running up against a wall of diminishing returns.  Concentrate environmental efforts where it would make the most impact.

How many times have you posted that same screed? Yep, China needs to up their game with plastics. That in no way means the us should not lead the effort to curtail our obscene generation of single use plastics.

So you don't care about what's actually the most efficient use of regulatory effort, or what will give the greatest benefit for the least cost, and uncertainly not the unintended consequences of "well-meaning" measures, it's just important to attack products you somehow see yourself fit to judge as "obscene." That's not creepy at all and does not in any way make "environmentalism" look like some sort of kooky modern religion.


Regulatory effort? Unintended consequences of "well-meaning" measures? Let's just ignore the actual consequences of what we collectively brought on ourselves and attack any possible solution because that has worked so well for us historically. Pointless politics won't help us when we have no food and water.
 
2019-01-12 04:58:41 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Individually-wrapped American cheese slices drive me nuts.  It was easy and fast to peel multiple slices off the old pre-sliced logs.


And it tasted better.

Adjusts cheesy onion.
 
2019-01-12 04:59:02 PM  

JohnBigBootay: MolsonCanadian: JohnBigBootay: OgreMagi: Targeting straws is not productive.  The original story about the amount of plastic straw pollution was completely wrong (it was a kid's science project).  Plus, the vast majority of plastic waste in the ocean is from Asia and South East Asia.  The USA is already doing a pretty good job of waste management.  There's always room for improvement, but we're running up against a wall of diminishing returns.  Concentrate environmental efforts where it would make the most impact.

How many times have you posted that same screed? Yep, China needs to up their game with plastics. That in no way means the us should not lead the effort to curtail our obscene generation of single use plastics.

So you don't care about what's actually the most efficient use of regulatory effort, or what will give the greatest benefit for the least cost, and uncertainly not the unintended consequences of "well-meaning" measures, it's just important to attack products you somehow see yourself fit to judge as "obscene." That's not creepy at all and does not in any way make "environmentalism" look like some sort of kooky modern religion.

I care about what's most effective. Who wouldn't? I'm also just fine starting 'somewhere'. We can do lots and lots of things. Your bullshiat argument assumes we can only do one and the others are wastes of time. You're wrong.


You demand we lead when it comes to waste management.  We do a damn good job.  We also lead in the reduction of carbon emissions.   Unfortunately, all the gains we make with our reduction in pollution are more than wiped out by China.  No one said we can only do one thing.  We are arguing that we should put most of our effort where we will have the greatest impact.

You'd fit perfectly with China's answer to horrible air pollution in Beijing.  You can't see it's so bad.  So instead of tackling the real problem, massive increases in coal power plants and manufacturers who ignore air quality standards, they ban outdoor grills.   Banning grills will have no measurable improvement in air quality.  But by your argument, that's the right direction.
 
2019-01-12 05:14:32 PM  

captjc: [img.fark.net image 850x850]

Problem Solved.


The argument against these is that their manufacture produces much more waste than thousands of plastic straws.

/we have them
//the kids love them
///don't give two shiats about plastic straw controversy.
 
2019-01-12 05:21:03 PM  
They're coming for my metal straws?
 
2019-01-12 05:24:11 PM  
If you're over the age of 4, no more sippy-cups or straws.
Drink like an adult.
Problem solved.
 
2019-01-12 05:25:42 PM  

Twenty Dollar Tomato: And even if you do clean all your trash so it's pristine, you're using up water to clean it so...


Water doesn't get used up and disappear forever as if it's a finite resource. Water is reusable to infinity.
 
2019-01-12 05:28:53 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Blessed are the peacemakers

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What was that about 'cheesemakers'?
 
2019-01-12 05:40:59 PM  
straws are pretty far down the list of environmental problems we need to fix,  but we should do it anyway.

I'm going to make myself a carbon fiber straw.
 
2019-01-12 05:48:22 PM  

MolsonCanadian: JohnBigBootay: OgreMagi: Targeting straws is not productive.  The original story about the amount of plastic straw pollution was completely wrong (it was a kid's science project).  Plus, the vast majority of plastic waste in the ocean is from Asia and South East Asia.  The USA is already doing a pretty good job of waste management.  There's always room for improvement, but we're running up against a wall of diminishing returns.  Concentrate environmental efforts where it would make the most impact.

How many times have you posted that same screed? Yep, China needs to up their game with plastics. That in no way means the us should not lead the effort to curtail our obscene generation of single use plastics.

So you don't care about what's actually the most efficient use of regulatory effort, or what will give the greatest benefit for the least cost, and uncertainly not the unintended consequences of "well-meaning" measures, it's just important to attack products you somehow see yourself fit to judge as "obscene." That's not creepy at all and does not in any way make "environmentalism" look like some sort of kooky modern religion.


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2019-01-12 05:50:48 PM  
I care about the environment, that's why I only use straws carved out of endangered black rhino horn. Of course I use a new one each time, but at least I source from a renewable resource.
 
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