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(Twitter)   Just to reiterate, the GOP knew. They knew during the campaign that Russia was helping. They let the Russians help. They willingly took Russian money. They didn't think Trump would win. They made a deal with the devil. They will all suffer for it   (twitter.com) divider line
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2019-01-09 08:46:04 PM  
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2019-01-09 08:47:09 PM  
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2019-01-09 08:48:31 PM  
rereading that transcript of Ryan, McCarthy, Scalise discussing Trump/Russia...there is no way in hell they didn't know what the hell they were getting into. And knowing what we all know now, that entire transcript reads like the obituary of the party.
 
2019-01-09 08:53:42 PM  

somedude210: rereading that transcript of Ryan, McCarthy, Scalise discussing Trump/Russia...there is no way in hell they didn't know what the hell they were getting into. And knowing what we all know now, that entire transcript reads like the obituary of the party.


If they didn't want to get f*cked by the Russians, they shouldn't have gone out dressed the way they were.
 
2019-01-09 08:57:49 PM  
And this is why Trump winning was the better option.  All the dirt is coming out and the GOP and their friends on talk radio and Fox News don't have Hillary as a handy whipping boy.  They are trying to use AOC to scare the base and that's failing hard.  Trumpy's shutdown shenanigans are pissing people off, his constant stupid tweeting is pissing people off, Mueller is coming with a damning report, and the economy is gonna tank due to Trumpy's trade wars bullshiat.

Now just imagine the other timeline where we have Trump TV with the GOP claiming stolen election while a Republican Congress pushes impeachment over Hillary's farking emails among many other points to attack and investigate her on, while Putin lurks unseen in the background and there is no Mueller going after them.
 
2019-01-09 08:57:57 PM  

somedude210: rereading that transcript of Ryan, McCarthy, Scalise discussing Trump/Russia...there is no way in hell they didn't know what the hell they were getting into. And knowing what we all know now, that entire transcript reads like the obituary of the party.


Don't forget that Paul Erickson bragged in email in Oct 2016, before the FBI info into Trump was made known, that he had established connection to the Kremlin "separate from the presidential campaign".  The whole GOP knew.
 
2019-01-09 08:59:19 PM  
And now you know why Mueller is taking his good, sweet time.
He's having to build an airtight case against the entire GOP.
 
2019-01-09 09:09:43 PM  

somedude210: rereading that transcript of Ryan, McCarthy, Scalise discussing Trump/Russia...there is no way in hell they didn't know what the hell they were getting into. And knowing what we all know now, that entire transcript reads like the obituary of the party.


The official party line was that it was a joke.
What they left unsaid was that the punch line was "you're a little slow on the uptake"
 
2019-01-09 09:10:02 PM  

null: And this is why Trump winning was the better option.  All the dirt is coming out and the GOP and their friends on talk radio and Fox News don't have Hillary as a handy whipping boy.  They are trying to use AOC to scare the base and that's failing hard.  Trumpy's shutdown shenanigans are pissing people off, his constant stupid tweeting is pissing people off, Mueller is coming with a damning report, and the economy is gonna tank due to Trumpy's trade wars bullshiat.

Now just imagine the other timeline where we have Trump TV with the GOP claiming stolen election while a Republican Congress pushes impeachment over Hillary's farking emails among many other points to attack and investigate her on, while Putin lurks unseen in the background and there is no Mueller going after them.


Yep, Trump was already talking about "election fraud" and "a second amendment solution" setting the stage for his supporters to rise up when Hillary won.

This is not the way someone reacts when they have just won.
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That is the face of someone thinking "Oh shiat...."

He planned to lose. No one would be investigating him had he lost. That's why they barely bothered to cover their tracks, they never thought anyone would care enough to investigate. Who would bother investigating someone who lost?

He ran for publicity. He'd seen idiot Sarah Palin lose and turn that into a career, and she was only the VP. Trump planned to get a shiatload of publicity, lose, and then spend the next four years (at least) attacking Hillary and keeping his name in the media. That's why he tried to shut down his transition team.

But I think the Russians and others in his team weren't on the same page. They were playing to win.
 
2019-01-09 09:10:37 PM  

null: And this is why Trump winning was the better option.  All the dirt is coming out and the GOP and their friends on talk radio and Fox News don't have Hillary as a handy whipping boy.  They are trying to use AOC to scare the base and that's failing hard.  Trumpy's shutdown shenanigans are pissing people off, his constant stupid tweeting is pissing people off, Mueller is coming with a damning report, and the economy is gonna tank due to Trumpy's trade wars bullshiat.


I'm starting to come around that we needed this timeline to play out the way it did if we were to retain any sort of decent democracy going forward.

/plus, it's kinda fun to live through a historic era of our history
 
2019-01-09 09:14:25 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: null: And this is why Trump winning was the better option.  All the dirt is coming out and the GOP and their friends on talk radio and Fox News don't have Hillary as a handy whipping boy.  They are trying to use AOC to scare the base and that's failing hard.  Trumpy's shutdown shenanigans are pissing people off, his constant stupid tweeting is pissing people off, Mueller is coming with a damning report, and the economy is gonna tank due to Trumpy's trade wars bullshiat.

Now just imagine the other timeline where we have Trump TV with the GOP claiming stolen election while a Republican Congress pushes impeachment over Hillary's farking emails among many other points to attack and investigate her on, while Putin lurks unseen in the background and there is no Mueller going after them.

Yep, Trump was already talking about "election fraud" and "a second amendment solution" setting the stage for his supporters to rise up when Hillary won.

This is not the way someone reacts when they have just won.
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That is the face of someone thinking "Oh shiat...."

He planned to lose. No one would be investigating him had he lost. That's why they barely bothered to cover their tracks, they never thought anyone would care enough to investigate. Who would bother investigating someone who lost?

He ran for publicity. He'd seen idiot Sarah Palin lose and turn that into a career, and she was only the VP. Trump planned to get a shiatload of publicity, lose, and then spend the next four years (at least) attacking Hillary and keeping his name in the media. That's why he tried to shut down his transition team.

But I think the Russians and others in his team weren't on the same page. They were playing to win.


LOL I was literally about to post asking if someone had that picture to make that exact point.

He looks MISERABLE.

And yea, if he had lost, there would be nothing of consequence. He would make millions off his cult rubes, start his TrumpTV network slamming Hillary 24/7 with fake scandals and conspiracies (which he probably would've made more money through Putin for hobbling her with said scandals), and nothing would happen because any investigation would immediately be blocked by the GOP and framed as a partisan attack.
 
2019-01-09 09:18:58 PM  
This is basically The Producers, with Dumpy as Hitler.
 
2019-01-09 09:20:27 PM  

somedude210: I'm starting to come around that we needed this timeline to play out the way it did if we were to retain any sort of decent democracy going forward.


I think so as well. Had Trump lost then his supporters would have spent the rest of their lives convinced that had he won everything would have been perfect. All the steel and coal jobs would come back, wages would soar, everything would be all hugs and puppies. You'd have never heard the end of it.

Long term it is arguable it is better he won so all his supporters could see that he didn't have all the answers, didn't magically fix everything, wasn't a great negotiator and so on. And that's before any of the many investigations report their findings. Muellers is the big one, but there's a bunch of others. Had he lost none of those might ever have happened.

I doubt Trump himself will go to jail, but close family might. Jailing a former President would be a huge deal. That's why Ford pardoned Nixon, so there wasn't a huge trial and/or jail.  I also suspect Trump could lose his entire business, including Trump Tower. That will hurt.
 
2019-01-09 09:37:08 PM  
I just wanted to say, thank you guys for aggregating and explaining all of this stuff (the documents, tweets, etc) because I would be farking lost.

Now if only my parents were farkers.  Well, then I guess I wouldn't exist.
 
2019-01-09 09:41:50 PM  
TRUMP WAS POO
THE GOP KNEW
TURK 182
 
2019-01-09 09:42:56 PM  
The Russians. A hostile power. Farken treasonous traitors that knew about this and allowed it should be in prison.
 
2019-01-09 09:45:52 PM  

bobtheme: I just wanted to say, thank you guys for aggregating and explaining all of this stuff (the documents, tweets, etc) because I would be farking lost.

Now if only my parents were farkers.  Well, then I guess I wouldn't exist.


Just doing what I can. LincolnsBible is a great resource for aggregating all the info
 
2019-01-09 09:48:59 PM  

somedude210: null: And this is why Trump winning was the better option.  All the dirt is coming out and the GOP and their friends on talk radio and Fox News don't have Hillary as a handy whipping boy.  They are trying to use AOC to scare the base and that's failing hard.  Trumpy's shutdown shenanigans are pissing people off, his constant stupid tweeting is pissing people off, Mueller is coming with a damning report, and the economy is gonna tank due to Trumpy's trade wars bullshiat.

I'm starting to come around that we needed this timeline to play out the way it did if we were to retain any sort of decent democracy going forward.

/plus, it's kinda fun to live through a historic era of our history


Remains to be seen.   Tantrum boy still has the launch codes and his backup wants the end of the world.
 
2019-01-09 09:50:46 PM  
also, Obama, the FBI and the DOJ knew and just kept quiet.  And look, now we got Trump and all the haters.
 
2019-01-09 09:57:40 PM  

munko: also, Obama, the FBI and the DOJ knew and just kept quiet.  And look, now we got Trump and all the haters.


Wow, way to gloss over...everything.
 
2019-01-09 09:58:17 PM  

munko: also, Obama, the FBI and the DOJ knew and just kept quiet.  And look, now we got Trump and all the haters.


I just mentioned in another thread that Obama did tell Mitch McConnell a few weeks before the election that Russian was interfering. He wanted McConnell to agree to do a joint, non partisan, announcement but McConnell refused. Obama realised that had he gone public alone it would look incredibly partisan so he, very reluctantly I assume, kept quiet. Not sure what if anything he actually tried doing, like closing Twitter accounts or anything.
 
2019-01-09 10:00:34 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: TRUMP WAS POO
THE GOP KNEW
TURK 182


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2019-01-09 10:07:35 PM  

munko: also, Obama, the FBI and the DOJ knew and just kept quiet.  And look, now we got Trump and all the haters.


You keep farken that chicken gonzo.
 
2019-01-09 10:09:00 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: He planned to lose. No one would be investigating him had he lost. That's why they barely bothered to cover their tracks, they never thought anyone would care enough to investigate. Who would bother investigating someone who lost?


imagine this for a moment. 
Trump Lost the election
The President Hillary Clinton Dept. of Justice is investigating the Trump Campaign. 

Now imagine the GOP and Fox news reaction.   Add to that the talking point of "how could he have cheated if he lost." talking point. 

I am pretty sure the GOP would have picked up 20-30 seats in the house, 4-5 Senate seats, and finally control the 2/3 of state legislatures, and on their way to 3/4 control. 
Hello Amendment 29, death penalty for being gay or having an abortion.
 
2019-01-09 10:09:12 PM  

munko: also, Obama, the FBI and the DOJ knew and just kept quiet.  And look, now we got Trump and all the haters.


Uhhhhhhhhh no.

Obama sat down with the Gang of Eight (leadership from both parties, from both houses of Congress) and told them what was going on, asked them to join in putting out a joint statement denouncing Russia's actions and warning Americans that their elections are under attack. McConnell told him in no uncertain terms that he will be doing so alone and Mitch will have the republicans scream like banshees denouncing him for going political with national security. Obama admin put out a neutered response instead.

FBI had already started a counter-intelligence investigation before ^that^ meeting took place. Part of that included an, apparently, quite extensive CI investigation of Carter Page and Papadopulous.

Finally, DOJ and the Intelligence Community put out a warning and report detailing Russian election interference they've uncovered thus far. They released it on Oct. 7, 2016. Did you miss it? I can't see why you would. It was a pretty big news story. I bet nothing else was going on at that time......oh right, the Access Hollywood tape dropped. Not to mention the first of the Podesta emails were released by known-Russian asset WikiLeaks. (the latter was not the result of the former. based on timing, the podesta release was an effort to counter the CI report)

/check yourself before you wreck yourself
//and wreck objective reality along with it
 
2019-01-09 10:20:56 PM  
I've said it before: Every single GOP congresscritter serving under the orange oaf, needs to spend time behind bars.

TRAITORS ALL.
 
2019-01-09 10:21:14 PM  

somedude210: I'm starting to come around that we needed this timeline to play out the way it did if we were to retain any sort of decent democracy going forward.

/plus, it's kinda fun to live through a historic era of our history


See my post above. 
Here is the dirty little secret no one wants to admit. 

Hillary's presidency would have been an total disaster an failure.   And that is less a reflection on her than on the fact that the GOP would not have allowed her to be successful.  
We'd still have 8 seats on the SCOTUS.  She might have just an empty a cabinet as Trump has due to a failure to approve people. 
Every decision she would have made would have been second guessed.  

And the fact is, she wouldn't have totally  been ready to deal with it.  Her response would have been seen as acting like a cry baby because not enough people would have been paying attention. 

Well people are paying the fark attention now.  I have a wife who two years ago didn't know shiat about politics.  Now she knows almost as much as I do. 

Its a bitter pill, but I think the Trump presidency will make our country better in the long run.  

Sometimes you have to fail to learn and become better.  And whooaaa boy is there is a lot of failure to learn from. 

Another added piece is that I think we are starting to see the cracks in right wing media.  Its one of the reasons I kind of want him to finish out his term and then lose badly.   Two more years of them carrying water for this guy is going to really put some major cracks in the wall. 

Oh, and we are probably going to see a recession going into the next election.   That is only going to throw more crap on the GOP who will have to explain how their tax cut inspired a recession.  

Its going to be Reagan in reverse.
 
2019-01-09 10:29:42 PM  

blastoh: somedude210: I'm starting to come around that we needed this timeline to play out the way it did if we were to retain any sort of decent democracy going forward.

/plus, it's kinda fun to live through a historic era of our history

See my post above. 
Here is the dirty little secret no one wants to admit. 

Hillary's presidency would have been an total disaster an failure.   And that is less a reflection on her than on the fact that the GOP would not have allowed her to be successful.  
We'd still have 8 seats on the SCOTUS.  She might have just an empty a cabinet as Trump has due to a failure to approve people. 
Every decision she would have made would have been second guessed.  

And the fact is, she wouldn't have totally  been ready to deal with it.  Her response would have been seen as acting like a cry baby because not enough people would have been paying attention. 

Well people are paying the fark attention now.  I have a wife who two years ago didn't know shiat about politics.  Now she knows almost as much as I do. 

Its a bitter pill, but I think the Trump presidency will make our country better in the long run.  

Sometimes you have to fail to learn and become better.  And whooaaa boy is there is a lot of failure to learn from. 

Another added piece is that I think we are starting to see the cracks in right wing media.  Its one of the reasons I kind of want him to finish out his term and then lose badly.   Two more years of them carrying water for this guy is going to really put some major cracks in the wall. 

Oh, and we are probably going to see a recession going into the next election.   That is only going to throw more crap on the GOP who will have to explain how their tax cut inspired a recession.  

Its going to be Reagan in reverse.


i agree, wholeheartedly. Wife is in a similar state as yours. Sometimes in order to make the change we need, we need to be hit low
 
2019-01-09 10:33:52 PM  
Anyone who gives Aid or Comfort to the Republican party in any way, including voting for them, is a traitor to the nation.
 
2019-01-09 10:35:32 PM  

blastoh: See my post above. 
Here is the dirty little secret no one wants to admit. 

Hillary's presidency would have been an total disaster an failure.   And that is less a reflection on her than on the fact that the GOP would not have allowed her to be successful.  
We'd still have 8 seats on the SCOTUS.  She might have just an empty a cabinet as Trump has due to a failure to approve people. 
Every decision she would have made would have been second guessed.  

And the fact is, she wouldn't have totally  been ready to deal with it.  Her response would have been seen as acting like a cry baby because not enough people would have been paying attention.


I think Hillary would have fared better than you think. Had she won she would probably have been the best prepared POTUS pretty much ever. She had already spent eight years in the WH, married to the President and no doubt knowing exactly what went on. She then served as a Senator, and then a term as Sec Of State back in the WH. She knew how DC works. She's seen every dirty trick.

But of course we'll never know.
 
2019-01-09 10:47:50 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: blastoh: See my post above.
Here is the dirty little secret no one wants to admit.

Hillary's presidency would have been an total disaster an failure.   And that is less a reflection on her than on the fact that the GOP would not have allowed her to be successful.
We'd still have 8 seats on the SCOTUS.  She might have just an empty a cabinet as Trump has due to a failure to approve people.
Every decision she would have made would have been second guessed.

And the fact is, she wouldn't have totally  been ready to deal with it.  Her response would have been seen as acting like a cry baby because not enough people would have been paying attention.

I think Hillary would have fared better than you think. Had she won she would probably have been the best prepared POTUS pretty much ever. She had already spent eight years in the WH, married to the President and no doubt knowing exactly what went on. She then served as a Senator, and then a term as Sec Of State back in the WH. She knew how DC works. She's seen every dirty trick.

But of course we'll never know.


I think Hillary was very qualified to be president.  Possibly one of the more qualified ever.

But even Tiger woods is going to play a shiatty game with a hundred idiots running around the golf course with their pants on their head and yelling a bunch of crazy stuff.
 
2019-01-09 10:55:54 PM  
scottydoesntknow:LOL I was literally about to post asking if someone had that picture to make that exact point.

He looks MISERABLE.

And yea, if he had lost, there would be nothing of consequence. He would make millions off his cult rubes, start his TrumpTV network slamming Hillary 24/7 with fake scandals and conspiracies (which he probably would've made more money through Putin for hobbling her with said scandals), and nothing would happen because any investigation would immediately be blocked by the GOP and framed as a partisan attack
.

Of course he looks miserable. In your 70s is NOT really the time to get your first real job. I'd say, "poor bastiche" but he should have known better. He KNEW who he was in bed with, and he underestimated them, and he underestimated the hold that they'd have on him AFTER the election.

Easier to stay out, than get out. You dumbass...
 
2019-01-09 11:03:36 PM  

somedude210: null: And this is why Trump winning was the better option.  All the dirt is coming out and the GOP and their friends on talk radio and Fox News don't have Hillary as a handy whipping boy.  They are trying to use AOC to scare the base and that's failing hard.  Trumpy's shutdown shenanigans are pissing people off, his constant stupid tweeting is pissing people off, Mueller is coming with a damning report, and the economy is gonna tank due to Trumpy's trade wars bullshiat.

I'm starting to come around that we needed this timeline to play out the way it did if we were to retain any sort of decent democracy going forward.

/plus, it's kinda fun to live through a historic era of our history


We aren't out of the woods yet. He could still break the republic. He is dangerous and stupid and in charge of 1/3 of the US Government. It can still get far worse.
 
2019-01-10 12:57:57 AM  
I wonder just how many of the congressional Republicans understand the implications of all this stuff?
 
2019-01-10 01:13:17 AM  

Weaver95: I wonder just how many of the congressional Republicans understand the implications of all this stuff?


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2019-01-10 01:15:10 AM  

Therion: Weaver95: I wonder just how many of the congressional Republicans understand the implications of all this stuff?

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what is that from anyway?  it seems familiar
 
2019-01-10 01:49:08 AM  
Gary Oldman. 'The Professional'. 1994.
 
2019-01-10 01:51:36 AM  
Gary Oldman - 'Leon the Professional' 'everyone' scene (HD)
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2019-01-10 01:57:05 AM  

munko: Obama, the FBI and the DOJ knew and just kept quiet.


No, he didn't. He was threatened by Biatch McConnell, among all the other deliberate GOP treachery.


FACT CHECK: Why Didn't Obama Stop Russia's Election Interference In 2016?

February 21, 20181:08 PM ET

Philip Ewing

Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks with then-President Barack Obama in Hangzhou, China, on Sept. 5, 2016. Obama's warnings about active measures went unheeded.
Alexei Druzhinin/AP

Why didn't then-President Barack Obama stop Russia's campaign of active measures against the 2016 presidential campaign?

President Trump has been casting blame on his predecessor for not acting against the scheme since Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller brought indictments against a batch of Russians and Russian entities on Friday for the role they played.

FACT CHECK: This story is complex and goes beyond a simple "True" or "False" grade. One basic notion that is false is the idea the Obama administration took no action - it did. The question that has been asked many times since the presidential election is why it didn't do more.
Private warnings

Among other things, top U.S. intelligence officials - including then-CIA Director John Brennan - privately warned their Russian counterparts not to persist with their active measures. Obama himself told Russian President Vladimir Putin not to interfere in the election. These warnings did not work.
Publicity

Obama administration officials also told reporters on background that Russian intelligence operatives were behind the cyberattacks that led to the release of emails stolen from political figures and institutions. Later, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson formally blamed the Russian government in an official statement.

Although it wasn't universally accepted, the active measures campaign became a part of the political campaign itself. Trump and opponent Hillary Clinton traded barbs about the Russian interference during their debates.
YouTube

Trump has gone back and forth about what he accepts and what he doesn't about the nature of the attack. Sometimes he acknowledges it; other times he has cited the denials he has gotten from Putin, saying, "I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it."

The president's position since Friday's indictments has been that the interference campaign did take place - but that he and his campaign had nothing to do with it. On that point, Trump has been consistent: There was, he says, "no collusion."

Mueller is focused on whether that is so and whether Trump may have broken the law if he tried to frustrate the investigation. More on this below.
Diplomatic response

After Election Day, Obama ordered the U.S. intelligence community to issue a public report about the Russian scheme. Once it had - and concluded Russia's attack was aimed at helping Trump and hurting Clinton - the United States imposed a slate of punitive measures against Moscow. In addition to imposing new sanctions, Washington also expelled a number of Russian diplomats and closed two Russian diplomatic compounds in Maryland and New York.
So why didn't Obama's administration do more?

That isn't clear. Some former administration officials who have talked about it publicly have reproached themselves for not acting more aggressively. There also was a long-standing criticism of Obama that his foreign-policy making amounted to endless process with no outcomes - hours of meetings that yielded more meetings but no ultimate action.

Plus, the relationship between the United States and Russia is multifaceted and often intensely complicated:

Obama scaled back missile defense plans in Europe to placate Moscow.
Obama wanted Russia to play a role in the international agreement under which Iran agreed to restrict its nuclear program - and Putin went along.
Obama spent the end of his presidency trying to bring Russia into a multilateral agreement to end the Syrian civil war, but Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov ultimately never committed.

So Obama's team had to manage many spinning plates in addition to the active measures campaign it detected by the middle of 2016. One question Obama may address in his book is why he calibrated his choices in the way he did - whether he looked the other way on election interference to keep open other options elsewhere.
A partisan tightrope

Former Vice President Joe Biden also has complained that the White House wanted Republicans to join in a bipartisan statement announcing and condemning the interference campaign. In Biden's telling, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., wouldn't go along.

But that didn't stop then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., from alluding publicly to the Russian campaign in a letter to then-FBI Director James Comey. And Comey reportedly wanted to announce the active measures in an op-ed column, as Newsweek reported in March 2017. Two sources with knowledge about the matter told Newsweek that Obama administration officials blocked the effort.

There's no way to know what difference it might have made for U.S. officials to have confirmed and condemned the Russian interference in real time.
Can The U.S. Combat Election Interference If Some Don't Believe It's Happening?
National Security
Can The U.S. Combat Election Interference If Some Don't Believe It's Happening?

Obama administration officials have said they worried about appearing to put their thumb on the scales for Clinton. Combined with Obama's belief that Clinton would win, their political calculus appears to have boiled down to: Let's ride this out.

Obama himself said in December 2016 that he wasn't convinced that he should have done anything different.

"There have been folks out there who suggest somehow if we went out there and made big announcements and thumped our chests about a bunch of stuff, that somehow it would potentially spook the Russians," he said. "I think it doesn't read the thought process in Russia very well."

FACT CHECK: The intelligence community did not make an assessment about how the active measures campaign affected the 2016 election. Trump and supporters have sometimes said incorrectly that the report found there was no effect; in fact, it did not address the question. Homeland Security officials did conclude that cyberattacks didn't tamper with vote tallies in 2016.
Why aren't Democrats under investigation?

Some of them may be. FBI special agents in Arkansas are reportedly conducting an investigation into the Clinton Foundation. But Trump and his allies, especially Republicans in the House, want more. They say this story is about abuse of power by the FBI and Justice Department and "bias" within those agencies against the president.

Trump wants Attorney General Jeff Sessions to do more work to expose those aspects of the story. He may, but so far Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein have said they don't see enough cause to appoint a second special counsel in addition to Mueller.
Why is Trump under investigation?

Part of Russia's active measures campaign included clandestine overtures from human intelligence operatives to people in the Trump campaign. When the FBI learned that a junior foreign policy adviser in London got offers of "dirt" on Clinton or "off the record" meetings with top Russian officials, it began a counterintelligence investigation that continues to this day.
The Russia Investigations: Mueller Indicts The 'Internet Research Agency'
National Security
The Russia Investigations: Mueller Indicts The 'Internet Research Agency'

Several other people in the Trump campaign had contacts with Russians before and after Election Day. Trump's son Donald Trump Jr. received an email that included what was described as an offer of help for the campaign from the Russian government.

"If it's what you say, I love it," Trump Jr. wrote back.

He later hosted a delegation that included a Russian attorney and a Russian-American lobbyist; the details of what took place in the meeting are disputed.

More contacts took place. An adviser traveled to Moscow. Other contacts involved Sessions - then an Alabama senator, who now serves as attorney general but is lately the target of Trump's ire - and Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, who today is dueling behind the scenes with White House chief of staff John Kelly.
Election Chiefs 'Straddle The Line Between Sounding The Alarm And Being Alarmist'
Politics
Election Chiefs 'Straddle The Line Between Sounding The Alarm And Being Alarmist'

The contacts continued until just before the inauguration. As Obama was imposing punitive measures against Moscow following the election, Trump's administration-in-waiting was asking its Russian interlocutors not to retaliate.

Retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn, Trump's national security adviser, asked Russia's then-ambassador to the U.S. to hold off because it could expect a different approach once Trump was inaugurated. Putin agreed.

There have also been suggestions that Flynn and the Trump administration planned not only to renegotiate financial restrictions with Moscow once Trump was in office but had already decided before the fact to lift sanctions.

Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about the conversations he had with Russia's ambassador and is cooperating with Mueller's investigation.



So you can stuff your deliberately stupid, lying tomfoolery straight up your nose.
 
2019-01-10 02:38:16 AM  
This is the most real thing I've read in awhile.

I'd always kinda believed Trump never intended to win, and was just running for publicity to launch all the things mentioned above. And it would have definitely worked. I also believed Russia was involved whether there was collusion or not.

But the GOP sort-of-begrudgingly becoming partners with Russia and deciding to write off the 2016 Presidency in exchange for beating Democrats to death for the next 4 years to sweep everything in 2020 and beyond does not sound like far-fetched conspiracy at all. Once they were stuck with Trump as the nominee it probably was the best strategy, except for the Russia part. And winning.
 
2019-01-10 02:44:40 AM  
so what happens when we find out that pretty much all of the senior Republican leadership was in on the deal with Russia and Trump?

because we cannot just pretend all is fine or go back to the way things were.
 
2019-01-10 02:45:56 AM  
We're going to need a bigger gallows
 
2019-01-10 02:46:49 AM  
"They will all suffer for it"

Narrator: they won't.
 
2019-01-10 02:48:11 AM  

sirrerun: "They will all suffer for it"

Narrator: they won't.


oh I think they will.

we're about to hit 'tribal' levels of justice here on this thing.
 
2019-01-10 02:49:14 AM  
The only part of that I'm not sure of is the final sentence.
 
2019-01-10 02:49:55 AM  
If that much of the GoP were in on it, it means they will never hold anyone accountable for it.
 
2019-01-10 02:51:30 AM  

somedude210: rereading that transcript of Ryan, McCarthy, Scalise discussing Trump/Russia...there is no way in hell they didn't know what the hell they were getting into. And knowing what we all know now, that entire transcript reads like the obituary of the party.


https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/co​m​mentary/2018/04/05/putins-proxies-help​ed-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns
 
2019-01-10 02:52:24 AM  

jst3p: If that much of the GoP were in on it, it means they will never hold anyone accountable for it.


that's one way to ensure a never ending stream of violence heading their way.

americans tend to react badly to treason.  if I were one of the Republicans tied to this insanity, i'd be BEGGING for a trial and a nice safe cell somewhere out of sight.  the GOP tries to shove this under the rug and walk away, they'll end up getting picked off one by one.
 
2019-01-10 02:54:23 AM  

Weaver95: jst3p: If that much of the GoP were in on it, it means they will never hold anyone accountable for it.

that's one way to ensure a never ending stream of violence heading their way.

americans tend to react badly to treason.  if I were one of the Republicans tied to this insanity, i'd be BEGGING for a trial and a nice safe cell somewhere out of sight.  the GOP tries to shove this under the rug and walk away, they'll end up getting picked off one by one.


I don't have the same confidence you do. If it were one Republican, they would bury him. If it is most of them they will cover for each other and anyone advocating for violence will be seen as the "real" traitors.
 
2019-01-10 02:55:33 AM  

Weaver95: so what happens when we find out that pretty much all of the senior Republican leadership was in on the deal with Russia and Trump?

because we cannot just pretend all is fine or go back to the way things were.


Indict them and let the chips fall where they may.
 
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