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(Buffalo News)   Man cleverly uses insanity plea to avoid jail time for arson. Eighteen years later, he's having second thoughts   (buffalonews.com) divider line
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2019-01-06 02:16:24 PM  
She said Sutherland exhibits "ongoing characteristics of antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders."

Keep him locked up or he's liable to end up in Trump's cabinet
 
2019-01-06 02:24:15 PM  
That's crazy.
 
2019-01-06 02:33:47 PM  
it sounds like he's right where he belongs
 
2019-01-06 02:35:32 PM  
"I've been here a long time and I know the law. When I see something that is not right, I speak out about it," Sutherland said. "Is that a legitimate reason to keep me confined for more than 18 years? Because I'm an advocate, I'm a problem...I have a target on my back."

and that's why. Whistleblowers and those who speak up about injustice and corruption are targeted individuals.
 
2019-01-06 02:52:26 PM  
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2019-01-06 02:57:34 PM  

Kirablue42: "I've been here a long time and I know the law. When I see something that is not right, I speak out about it," Sutherland said. "Is that a legitimate reason to keep me confined for more than 18 years? Because I'm an advocate, I'm a problem...I have a target on my back."

and that's why. Whistleblowers and those who speak up about injustice and corruption are targeted individuals.


I've yet to meet a sociopath or psychopath who didn't think they were in the right and didn't justify their behavior.  Make up your mind - are mental health professionals competent to decide if he should be in treatment or not?
 
2019-01-06 04:08:36 PM  
Sounds like the system is working to me
 
2019-01-06 04:36:47 PM  
18 years in a mental hospital is enough to drive anyone insane.
 
2019-01-06 04:38:29 PM  
Just give him a Pepsi for Chissakes.
 
2019-01-06 04:38:33 PM  
If I got $363,000 yearly to house him, I'd keep him forever.

Follow the money.
Taxpayer money.
 
2019-01-06 04:38:48 PM  
Why release him? He's a cash cow for the institute.
 
2019-01-06 04:40:30 PM  
Not a whole lot of sympathy here, he went in thinking he'd only be confined for a few years at most and is now stuck there. Should have served the jail time, jackass.
 
2019-01-06 04:40:49 PM  

HighlanderRPI: She said Sutherland exhibits "ongoing characteristics of antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders."

Keep him locked up or he's liable to end up in Trump's cabinet


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2019-01-06 04:41:24 PM  
He also maintains that he does not remember whether he even started that fire back in 2000.

"That night, I went to a bar, had a drink and I blacked out," Sutherland said. "I believe that something was slipped into my drink. I have no recollection of the fire. The next thing I knew, I was in a police station, and an officer was telling me, 'We know you started the fire. You already confessed. You could be looking at 25 years.' I don't remember if I started the fire. If I did, it was not with wilfull intent."

Weeks before the fire, Buffalo Police alleged Sutherland made a telephone call threatening the life of his landlord, Paladino, which was recorded on Paladino's answering machine. After the arson, Sutherland allegedly told officers, "I'll kill Carl, I swear."


....Yeah, he can keep staying there. For the good of everyone. Someone who "blacks out" and leaves threatening voice messages before carrying out violence, I mean, uh, even if you think you're sane, I mean, what about when your blacked-out version takes over, for whatever reason?
 
2019-01-06 04:42:13 PM  
Just needs to throw the sink through the window.
 
2019-01-06 04:42:45 PM  
Sounds like He was crazy to do that.. On the plus side, if or when He gets out, He can work for the Post Office ... Trump won't be around when He gets out..
 
2019-01-06 04:43:43 PM  
He did not hurt anyone. He just likes to smoke... things...
 
2019-01-06 04:44:13 PM  
"Ahrens also voiced the opinion that Sutherland's "arrogance and negativity often results in disrespectful interactions with others."

Uh...they can't put you in a psych hospital just for being arrogant and negative, can they? Asking for a friend.
 
2019-01-06 04:45:42 PM  
Second thoughts about an insanity plea to escape prison time?

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/tough shiat, sunny jim
//say, "hi" to nurse ratched
 
2019-01-06 04:47:12 PM  

Salmon: Just needs to throw the sink through the window.


It was a bubbler.


/ask your parents
 
2019-01-06 04:47:26 PM  
Maybe you should have thought about that BEFORE pleading insanity?
 
2019-01-06 04:47:32 PM  

joaquin closet: If I got $363,000 yearly to house him, I'd keep him forever.

Follow the money.
Taxpayer money.


Yup, ya beat me to it. It's a sure source of income. "Buffalo Psychiatric Center, where it costs taxpayers more than $363,000 a year to house him."
Imagine that place has that amount times 30 people... 10.89 million bucks a year... cha-ching!
 
2019-01-06 04:48:36 PM  

HighlanderRPI: She said Sutherland exhibits "ongoing characteristics of antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders."

Keep him locked up or he's liable to end up in Trump's cabinet


Funnily enough the guy whose building he burned is actually a huge Trumper scumbag. Some of his lowlights via wikipedia:

Paladino endorsed Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election[67] and was the New York co-chair of Trump's campaign.[68] Paladino aggressively pushed and threatened Republicans in New York's delegation to Congress and the State Legislature to support Trump, writing in an open letter: "This is our last request that you join 'Trump for President' and try to preserve what's left of your pathetic careers in government."[69][70] He also threatened delegates to the 2016 Republican National Convention if they did not vote for Trump as pledged: "I don't trust our entire delegation (...) I'd certainly whack them if they went off the reservation."[71]
In July 2016, Paladino used Twitter to say that Attorney General Loretta Lynch should be lynched, then deleted his tweet. An aide said he had sent it in error.[72][73] He threatened delegates to the 2016 Republican National Convention if they did not vote for Trump as pledged: "I don't trust our entire delegation (...) I'd certainly whack them if they went off the reservation."[74]
In August 2016, Paladino falsely claimed in an interview with the New York Observer that President Barack Obama was a secret Muslim, repeating a debunked conspiracy theory.


World would be better off if John Gotti's son here had inherited his dad's whacking skills
 
2019-01-06 04:49:11 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Kirablue42: "I've been here a long time and I know the law. When I see something that is not right, I speak out about it," Sutherland said. "Is that a legitimate reason to keep me confined for more than 18 years? Because I'm an advocate, I'm a problem...I have a target on my back."

and that's why. Whistleblowers and those who speak up about injustice and corruption are targeted individuals.

I've yet to meet a sociopath or psychopath who didn't think they were in the right and didn't justify their behavior.  Make up your mind - are mental health professionals competent to decide if he should be in treatment or not?


Minor pedantic point

The ones I've worked for didn't think they were right. They knew they were right. Because what could the alternative be.
 
2019-01-06 04:50:09 PM  
lol, because prison is SO much better for people with mental health issues, and he'd NEVER be arrested for another crime after being released.

This way he gets free room and board, and even gets to go out to movies and events 3 times a week.
 
2019-01-06 04:51:37 PM  
Doesn't sound like he tried to use the insanity plea to avoid jail time, it sounds like he was truly dangerously insane at the time of the arson and is still showing very strong signs of insanity today.
 
2019-01-06 04:53:47 PM  
Military member: "So the judge said join the military or go to jail. If I had picked jail I'd be out already..."
 
2019-01-06 04:56:33 PM  

swamp_of_dumb: Salmon: Just needs to throw the sink through the window.

It was a bubbler.


/ask your parents


had to look that up, thanks gramps!

;)
 
2019-01-06 04:56:33 PM  
Yeah he ain't right if after 18 years he hasn't learned to tell them what they want to hear.
 
2019-01-06 04:59:29 PM  

Salmon: swamp_of_dumb: Salmon: Just needs to throw the sink through the window.

It was a bubbler.


/ask your parents

had to look that up, thanks gramps!

;)


No problemo, sonny.

/now see that lawn?
//adjusts onion on belt
 
2019-01-06 05:00:21 PM  

Mr.Man: Why release him? He's a cash cow for the institute.


363,000 per year.
495 similarly housed individuals in NY
Approximately 180 million dollars a year.
That's sick
 
2019-01-06 05:00:38 PM  
So he's an... impatient inpatient?
 
2019-01-06 05:00:59 PM  
Oh look, a person who has been locked up complaining that he doesn't deserve to be locked up. I'm sure that's never happened before.
 
2019-01-06 05:01:00 PM  

swamp_of_dumb: Second thoughts about an insanity plea to escape prison time?

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/tough shiat, sunny jim
//say, "hi" to nurse ratched


The difference between watching "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and reading it.
 
2019-01-06 05:02:40 PM  

Nidiot: Oh look, a person who has been locked up complaining that he doesn't deserve to be locked up. I'm sure that's never happened before.


He should start an internet petition.
 
2019-01-06 05:03:33 PM  
He should be freed.  On a tiny remote atoll in the pacifc.  Just exile him.  Problem solved.
 
2019-01-06 05:04:28 PM  

Pugdaddyk: Mr.Man: Why release him? He's a cash cow for the institute.

363,000 per year.
495 similarly housed individuals in NY
Approximately 180 million dollars a year.
That's sick


Actually, its humane. These are people who were not responsible for their actions, yet their actions made them dangerous.

We let them out, people get hurt or killed. Putting them in prison is cruel, you're punishing someone for having an illness.

We need more locked mental health facilities, instead of the "be homeless until prison" approach.
 
2019-01-06 05:04:50 PM  
Someone with a financial incentive to keep him locked up should not be the one who decides if he should remain locked up.

Not commenting on his sanity.
 
2019-01-06 05:05:29 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Kirablue42: "I've been here a long time and I know the law. When I see something that is not right, I speak out about it," Sutherland said. "Is that a legitimate reason to keep me confined for more than 18 years? Because I'm an advocate, I'm a problem...I have a target on my back."

and that's why. Whistleblowers and those who speak up about injustice and corruption are targeted individuals.

I've yet to meet a sociopath or psychopath who didn't think they were in the right and didn't justify their behavior.  Make up your mind - are mental health professionals competent to decide if he should be in treatment or not?


No, they aren't.

Only medical professionals unaffiliated with the center that gets paid to keep him should be allowed to make that determination.
 
2019-01-06 05:06:37 PM  
Strange answers to the psychopath test | Jon Ronson
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Give it a watch if you have 20 mins to spare
 
2019-01-06 05:09:15 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: Pugdaddyk: Mr.Man: Why release him? He's a cash cow for the institute.

363,000 per year.
495 similarly housed individuals in NY
Approximately 180 million dollars a year.
That's sick

Actually, its humane. These are people who were not responsible for their actions, yet their actions made them dangerous.

We let them out, people get hurt or killed. Putting them in prison is cruel, you're punishing someone for having an illness.

We need more locked mental health facilities, instead of the "be homeless until prison" approach.


There might be more efficient ways to do that. Ways that don't cost 363,000 per person per year
 
2019-01-06 05:10:36 PM  

ecor1: Not a whole lot of sympathy here, he went in thinking he'd only be confined for a few years at most and is now stuck there. Should have served the jail time, jackass.


The downside to an insanity defense is that they only have to release you when they decide you're sane.

Which can easily be "never".
 
2019-01-06 05:10:46 PM  

NotARocketScientist: lol, because prison is SO much better for people with mental health issues, and he'd NEVER be arrested for another crime after being released.

This way he gets free room and board, and even gets to go out to movies and events 3 times a week.


He would have gotten better career training in prison, like, how to plan a job, don't do anything unless there is money in it, when caught deny, deny, deny, etc.
 
2019-01-06 05:11:42 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Only medical professionals unaffiliated with the center that gets paid to keep him should be allowed to make that determination.


Though seeing the patient on a regular basis should help with accurate diagnosis. So whoever the guy who decides works for, he's probably going to be effectively working at the centre in question anyway. As such, much like prison, I have a feeling this might be one of those things that shouldn't be run for profit.
 
2019-01-06 05:19:34 PM  

swamp_of_dumb: Second thoughts about an insanity plea to escape prison time?

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//say, "hi" to nurse ratched


I dunno what it was, but I always thought she was smoking hot... in a severe I'm going to punish you for your own good kind of way...

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2019-01-06 05:21:42 PM  
You know why they want him locked up?  They don't want him talking about what he's witnessed during 18 years in the New York State Psychiatric Facility system.
 
2019-01-06 05:25:16 PM  

starsrift: He also maintains that he does not remember whether he even started that fire back in 2000.

"That night, I went to a bar, had a drink and I blacked out," Sutherland said. "I believe that something was slipped into my drink. I have no recollection of the fire. The next thing I knew, I was in a police station, and an officer was telling me, 'We know you started the fire. You already confessed. You could be looking at 25 years.' I don't remember if I started the fire. If I did, it was not with wilfull intent."

Weeks before the fire, Buffalo Police alleged Sutherland made a telephone call threatening the life of his landlord, Paladino, which was recorded on Paladino's answering machine. After the arson, Sutherland allegedly told officers, "I'll kill Carl, I swear."

....Yeah, he can keep staying there. For the good of everyone. Someone who "blacks out" and leaves threatening voice messages before carrying out violence, I mean, uh, even if you think you're sane, I mean, what about when your blacked-out version takes over, for whatever reason?


Crazy people think they're sane
Stupid people think they're smart
Ugly people think they're attractive

And it's possible he's being completely honest
 
2019-01-06 05:25:22 PM  
They don't get nearly as many prisoners as they like so the need to keep the ones they got. Do you imagine the prison system would release anyone if it was up to them? HELL NO, they want that money.
 
2019-01-06 05:29:18 PM  
This is hilarious. The doctors aren't allowed to share actual details. They say he's a danger to himself and others. He says he's not (he also maintains he's the son of John Gotti LoL). His medical providers (captors) can't respond with his medical information so they point out he's kinda a dick. Meanwhile he's past the point at which he'd be released if he had been convicted of murder.
 
2019-01-06 05:32:36 PM  

flemardo: Yeah he ain't right if after 18 years he hasn't learned to tell them what they want to hear.


If you stop talking to yourself they'll let you watch tv

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