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2018-12-27 08:47:51 PM  
You accomplished something incredible here, subby.

An acceptable reason to submit a TMZ link.
 
2018-12-27 08:52:14 PM  
Sockittomesockittomesockittomsockittom​e...
 
2018-12-27 11:28:13 PM  
She wasn't about to give them all her money.
 
2018-12-27 11:34:30 PM  
Can't stand this crap. Entitlement is entitlement no matter how you slice it. Pay your goddamned bills.
 
2018-12-28 12:05:06 AM  
This is what happens when you don't think about the consequences of your actions.

Aretha Franklin - Think (feat. The Blues Brothers) - 1080p Full HD
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2018-12-28 12:09:25 AM  
I smell greedy grifting tax lawyer taking advantage of the elderly rich with the help of her "heirs"...
 
2018-12-28 12:11:04 AM  

Unikitty: Can't stand this crap. Entitlement is entitlement no matter how you slice it. Pay your goddamned bills.


The IRS is illegal circumvention of The Bill of Rights. Calling it a "tax bill" is akin to saying slavery is "indentured servitude".

But, it doesn't matter. So long as people shut up and pay, like good little tools.

The rest of us just pay $1,500 a year for a tax attorney on retainer, a 1099 fee and the $125 it costs to file a contest. And you keep EVERY receipt. 2014, I got a $2,700 return. Play the game, or suffer under it.
 
2018-12-28 12:19:32 AM  

Jedekai: Unikitty: Can't stand this crap. Entitlement is entitlement no matter how you slice it. Pay your goddamned bills.

The IRS is illegal circumvention of The Bill of Rights. Calling it a "tax bill" is akin to saying slavery is "indentured servitude".

But, it doesn't matter. So long as people shut up and pay, like good little tools.

The rest of us just pay $1,500 a year for a tax attorney on retainer, a 1099 fee and the $125 it costs to file a contest. And you keep EVERY receipt. 2014, I got a $2,700 return. Play the game, or suffer under it.


So over half of your return went to a lawyer. Who's a tool, now?
 
2018-12-28 12:21:11 AM  

Jedekai: Unikitty: Can't stand this crap. Entitlement is entitlement no matter how you slice it. Pay your goddamned bills.

The IRS is illegal circumvention of The Bill of Rights. Calling it a "tax bill" is akin to saying slavery is "indentured servitude".

But, it doesn't matter. So long as people shut up and pay, like good little tools.

The rest of us just pay $1,500 a year for a tax attorney on retainer, a 1099 fee and the $125 it costs to file a contest. And you keep EVERY receipt. 2014, I got a $2,700 return. Play the game, or suffer under it.


I am all about the idea income tax is illegal and I'm even more aware people are being triple and quadruple-taxed on income they've already paid taxes on but I have zero sympthay for the wealthy in this situation. Pay it. Now.
 
2018-12-28 01:25:17 AM  
Aretha Franklin was an extraordinary artist with one of the greatest singing voices of all time.  But she was lousy when it came to handling money.
 
2018-12-28 06:58:10 AM  

Jedekai: Unikitty: Can't stand this crap. Entitlement is entitlement no matter how you slice it. Pay your goddamned bills.

The IRS is illegal circumvention of The Bill of Rights. Calling it a "tax bill" is akin to saying slavery is "indentured servitude".

But, it doesn't matter. So long as people shut up and pay, like good little tools.

The rest of us just pay $1,500 a year for a tax attorney on retainer, a 1099 fee and the $125 it costs to file a contest. And you keep EVERY receipt. 2014, I got a $2,700 return. Play the game, or suffer under it.


You work for the military.
 
2018-12-28 07:16:30 AM  
Ah the good old "income taxes are illegal" bit.
Did the Supreme Court strike these down while I was sleeping last night?
No? Then they are legal.
Have they ever even been challenged and taken to the Supreme Court? You would think that all the wealthy would have been all over this if there was any merit.

Immoral maybe, unjust maybe, but legal.
 
2018-12-28 07:46:41 AM  
That headline cannot be improved upon.  And yeah, I end my sentences with prepositions with.  Very nice work, Submitter.
 
2018-12-28 08:21:23 AM  
Something's really hinky - You can't owe tax for 2018 yet. The forms aren't even released. Unless she's a company, in her own right. Then she might submit quarterly taxes.

That said, people should pay what they owe. While taxes are obnoxious, they go to fund necessary programs, when they're not being used to fund the perpetual war machine.
 
2018-12-28 08:28:10 AM  
Release some crappy demos of unheard material, that'll take care of the bills.
 
2018-12-28 08:31:19 AM  

AlanMooresBeard: Ah the good old "income taxes are illegal" bit.
Did the Supreme Court strike these down while I was sleeping last night?
No? Then they are legal.
Have they ever even been challenged and taken to the Supreme Court? You would think that all the wealthy would have been all over this if there was any merit.

Immoral maybe, unjust maybe, but legal.


It is legal.
Even if there was a good case to be made otherwise, the rich in this country won't be leading the charge.

The truly rich know that our current income taxes are a good thing for them.

Without that, there would be no treasury for them to grift and loot.

Add to that the fact the system is rigged so they pay little to none, it would be stupid to do that.

As it sits the system basically taxes everyone else and puts it in their pig trough.

Why would they challenge that in court?
 
2018-12-28 08:38:34 AM  

Unikitty: Can't stand this crap. Entitlement is entitlement no matter how you slice it. Pay your goddamned bills.


Years back, there was an article in one of the Detroit papers about Urethra's unpaid bills.  She hated parting with her money, so if you did any work for her, plumbing, lawn service, accounting, rent, just about anything, she was ready to stiff you on the tab.

The next morning, a local talk radio show was flooded with callers who had been shortchanged by her for various services that she thought she was too good to pay for.
 
2018-12-28 08:45:57 AM  

bobug: Something's really hinky - You can't owe tax for 2018 yet. The forms aren't even released. Unless she's a company, in her own right. Then she might submit quarterly taxes.

That said, people should pay what they owe. While taxes are obnoxious, they go to fund necessary programs, when they're not being used to fund the perpetual war machine.


While she might have incorporated herself, self-employed individuals are required to submit quarterly taxes as well.
 
2018-12-28 08:54:27 AM  

EasilyDistracted: bobug: Something's really hinky - You can't owe tax for 2018 yet. The forms aren't even released. Unless she's a company, in her own right. Then she might submit quarterly taxes.

That said, people should pay what they owe. While taxes are obnoxious, they go to fund necessary programs, when they're not being used to fund the perpetual war machine.

While she might have incorporated herself, self-employed individuals are required to submit quarterly taxes as well.


Aaah. Didn't know that. Thanks!

Wouldn't the IRS have attached her wages, if she was subject to 5 years of back taxes? I feel for her estate executor. That's going to be a nightmare to untangle. The 6 months and done model won't work with that sort of nonsense.
 
2018-12-28 09:31:26 AM  
https://www.tmz.com/2018/12/27/areth​a-franklin-owes-irs-8-million-back-ta​xes-penalties


No, she does not.

Maybe she did, and maybe her estate does, but Aretha herself doesn't owe anyone anything any more.

Because she's dead.
 
2018-12-28 09:42:30 AM  
God damn it people. One submits a tax return and possibly receives a refundif you over-withheld throughout the year. You don't get back a tax return.

/Accountant
//Just a week left before my life sucks for 4 months
///Pay your damn taxes, morons
 
2018-12-28 10:02:28 AM  
The government is a farkin' ghoul.

Taxation is theft.
 
2018-12-28 10:02:38 AM  
I say dying with debt means you win! Beyond the estate value, which may be a gift but isn't an obligation, How would I benefit by sending a lot of money to a government that spends it in direct opposition to my wishes (which I acknowledge they have the right to do) or mismanages it (re: Detroit and Wayne County government) just prior to my death? If the unpaid tax dept of any single individual halts the gears of governance for any level, than the issue isn't the unpaid debt.

I'm not protesting taxation, but if I had terminal cancer, my priorities are going to transform dramatically, and the IRS might be the first of a long line of faceless entities to receive an engraved invitation to fark the fark right off.
 
2018-12-28 10:05:58 AM  
Muzzleloader:

Why would they challenge that in court?

Did you really just ask why rich people would try to get out of millions and billions in taxes?
 
2018-12-28 10:24:38 AM  
I gotta think it won't be too hard for her estate to schedule and pay off that pretty quickly. Michael Jackson was in bad financial straits when he died and now his estate is healthier than ever.
 
2018-12-28 10:25:47 AM  
Late contender here. Hope you receive some love subby.
 
2018-12-28 11:26:24 AM  

shabu: I say dying with debt means you win! Beyond the estate value, which may be a gift but isn't an obligation, How would I benefit by sending a lot of money to a government that spends it in direct opposition to my wishes (which I acknowledge they have the right to do) or mismanages it (re: Detroit and Wayne County government) just prior to my death? If the unpaid tax dept of any single individual halts the gears of governance for any level, than the issue isn't the unpaid debt.

I'm not protesting taxation, but if I had terminal cancer, my priorities are going to transform dramatically, and the IRS might be the first of a long line of faceless entities to receive an engraved invitation to fark the fark right off.


WRONG. She allegedly had assets of more than $80 million when she died. She didn't die in debt. She died as a deadbeat having stiffed many creditors, including Uncle Sam, for debts that were legally owed. I would agree if she had exhausted all her assets and COULDN'T pay her final bills but her problem, and it has been her problem for decades, is that she WOULDN'T pay her bills.

That makes her a tax deadbeat who won't pay her fair share and worse yet, a criminal for not paying those who have provided her goods and services over the years.

PAY YOUR SHARE.

Oh, and the idiots here who claim taxes are illegal, show me ONE COURT CASE that supports your positions. Idiots.
 
2018-12-28 12:11:05 PM  
Lots of people try to avoid taxes by creative accounting.
Sometimes it's so 'creative' that the IRS calls you out on it.

Oh you spent $XXX,XXX on staff?  But your staff filed taxes of only $XX,XXX.  So how can you deduct more than they did?  The IRS SOMETIMES double checks these things.

Or you can go the Wesley Snipes/Willie Nelson way...Say you are a Sovereign Citizen and pay no taxes.
 
2018-12-28 12:20:01 PM  
This headline made my day.  Thanks, subby.
 
2018-12-28 01:00:30 PM  

Eightballjacket: Unikitty: Can't stand this crap. Entitlement is entitlement no matter how you slice it. Pay your goddamned bills.

Years back, there was an article in one of the Detroit papers about Urethra's unpaid bills.  She hated parting with her money, so if you did any work for her, plumbing, lawn service, accounting, rent, just about anything, she was ready to stiff you on the tab.

The next morning, a local talk radio show was flooded with callers who had been shortchanged by her for various services that she thought she was too good to pay for.


Sounds about right.

Aretha Franklin was a quintessential Diva - and not always in a good way (in particular when it came to money).
 
2018-12-28 01:02:51 PM  

Jedekai: Unikitty: Can't stand this crap. Entitlement is entitlement no matter how you slice it. Pay your goddamned bills.

The IRS is illegal circumvention of The Bill of Rights. Calling it a "tax bill" is akin to saying slavery is "indentured servitude".

But, it doesn't matter. So long as people shut up and pay, like good little tools.

The rest of us just pay $1,500 a year for a tax attorney on retainer, a 1099 fee and the $125 it costs to file a contest. And you keep EVERY receipt. 2014, I got a $2,700 return. Play the game, or suffer under it.


You are aware there are more amendments to the Constitution than the first 10, including the 16th?

/and the 21st, thankfully
 
2018-12-28 01:32:07 PM  

jmr61: shabu: I say dying with debt means you win! Beyond the estate value, which may be a gift but isn't an obligation, How would I benefit by sending a lot of money to a government that spends it in direct opposition to my wishes (which I acknowledge they have the right to do) or mismanages it (re: Detroit and Wayne County government) just prior to my death? If the unpaid tax dept of any single individual halts the gears of governance for any level, than the issue isn't the unpaid debt.

I'm not protesting taxation, but if I had terminal cancer, my priorities are going to transform dramatically, and the IRS might be the first of a long line of faceless entities to receive an engraved invitation to fark the fark right off.

WRONG. She allegedly had assets of more than $80 million when she died. She didn't die in debt. She died as a deadbeat having stiffed many creditors, including Uncle Sam, for debts that were legally owed. I would agree if she had exhausted all her assets and COULDN'T pay her final bills but her problem, and it has been her problem for decades, is that she WOULDN'T pay her bills.

That makes her a tax deadbeat who won't pay her fair share and worse yet, a criminal for not paying those who have provided her goods and services over the years.

PAY YOUR SHARE.

Oh, and the idiots here who claim taxes are illegal, show me ONE COURT CASE that supports your positions. Idiots.


Might want to calm down there and save your CAPS lock for something useful, Sparky. I said she died with debts.If you are in debt or get into debt, you owe money. She owed money. The fact that she may have had liquid assets to pay that debt and didn't doesn't change anything I said.

And fair share seems a very fungible term. Because my fair share a few years ago is different than my fair share now. I can also easily amass  a wide variety of differing opinions of what my fair share might be from different elected officials from my own state. I will not attempt to justify non-payment of contractors and service providers, but I can't imagine wasting my precious moral outrage on a tax debt.
 
2018-12-28 03:14:30 PM  

Eightballjacket: Unikitty: Can't stand this crap. Entitlement is entitlement no matter how you slice it. Pay your goddamned bills.

Years back, there was an article in one of the Detroit papers about Urethra's unpaid bills.  She hated parting with her money, so if you did any work for her, plumbing, lawn service, accounting, rent, just about anything, she was ready to stiff you on the tab.

The next morning, a local talk radio show was flooded with callers who had been shortchanged by her for various services that she thought she was too good to pay for.


I'm not the least bit surprised.
 
2018-12-28 05:54:17 PM  
You know I remember that Aretha insisted on being paid in CASH
Before she would perform she asked for bags of cash.

https://www.businessinsider.com/areth​a​-franklin-net-worth-demanded-to-be-pai​d-in-cash-2018-8?r=UK&IR=T

Now think of it from an IRS point of view, oh you got paid in cash eh?  How  do we know you paid taxes on that?
 
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