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(Axios)   Top U.S. general details President Trump's Middle East withdrawal plans and strategy. In short: ¯\_★(ツ)★_/¯   (axios.com) divider line
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2018-12-24 12:19:27 PM  
+1
 
2018-12-24 12:24:28 PM  
Props to whomever picked that photo, because that about f*ckin' sums it up for most of us.
 
2018-12-24 12:25:05 PM  
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This picture makes me want to tusskevhis hair and tell him it'll be alright.
 
2018-12-24 12:25:19 PM  
Welp....that.....that doesn't make me feel any better, or safe, or comfortable.
 
2018-12-24 12:30:55 PM  
I hate to say it, but this leadership vacuum is making our country extremely vulnerable.

I'm feeling like we're a sitting target at this point.
 
2018-12-24 12:38:29 PM  

make me some tea: I hate to say it, but this leadership vacuum is making our country extremely vulnerable.

I'm feeling like we're a sitting target at this point.


Don't worry, if we're attacked it'll be the democrats' fault.
 
2018-12-24 12:44:56 PM  
EVERY FARKING THING he does benefits Putin.

Everything.

That's all you have to remember.

There's no secret logic to his actions.  He's beholden to a foreign power that is intent on destroying the West in the hopes that it will kickstart Russia's anemic economy.
 
2018-12-24 12:58:49 PM  
Let's focus on the real issue here, Subby's shrugtastic headline.
 
2018-12-24 01:02:16 PM  
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/QAD
 
2018-12-24 01:36:21 PM  
Dear Troops, come home. Just leave all that sh*t, and come home. Just get on a plane. The little people will take care of it...

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2018-12-24 01:39:26 PM  
So he wants a big army but dosdoes want it deployed anywhere? Seems like a welfare program for the defense industry.
 
2018-12-24 01:40:07 PM  
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2018-12-24 01:40:10 PM  
Dosdoes = dosen't stupid autocorrect
 
2018-12-24 01:41:20 PM  
The Chucklef*ck in Chief
 
2018-12-24 01:42:00 PM  

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2018-12-24 01:42:38 PM  
Why did everyone take this "statement" by the President on farking twitter.com as being a serious policy decision, when the last time he did something this big on twitter everyone was like "NO" and he folded?  I forget what it was, but no one took him seriously and this time they did.
 
2018-12-24 01:42:52 PM  
Military commanders have reportedly received "no timelines, hard numbers or orders" from the Pentagon - "Nothing formal, just tweets,"

Our President bases his decisions solely on spontaneous gut feel.  He then tweets his orders.
Sleep tight, America.
 
2018-12-24 01:42:54 PM  
Brilliant headline
 
2018-12-24 01:43:09 PM  
I have wondered if attacking the US would be as impossible as most people seem to think it is or are we being arrogant and something truly horrible can happen.
 
2018-12-24 01:44:25 PM  
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2018-12-24 01:44:29 PM  
"I have no idea"

This should be the motto for the entire Trump Administration.
 
2018-12-24 01:46:40 PM  

reno301: I have wondered if attacking the US would be as impossible as most people seem to think it is or are we being arrogant and something truly horrible can happen.


Both
We still have career people who take their jobs very seriously
 
2018-12-24 01:46:51 PM  

groppet: Dosdoes = dosen't stupid autocorrect


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"Excuse me, I speak autocorrect. "
 
2018-12-24 01:48:29 PM  

ski9600: Why did everyone take this "statement" by the President on farking twitter.com as being a serious policy decision, when the last time he did something this big on twitter everyone was like "NO" and he folded?  I forget what it was, but no one took him seriously and this time they did.


Because he also made it to Turkey, and they are moving troops to the border now to set up a buffer zone.
 
2018-12-24 01:48:44 PM  
Well gee, it's almost like Trump has no farking idea what he's doing. Shocking as that is....
 
2018-12-24 01:51:04 PM  

ski9600: Why did everyone take this "statement" by the President on farking twitter.com as being a serious policy decision, when the last time he did something this big on twitter everyone was like "NO" and he folded?  I forget what it was, but no one took him seriously and this time they did.


If I'm remembering correctly, he announced a ban on transsexual people being allowed in the military via Twitter, and the Pentagon's response was "We're not doing shiat until we get an actual directive on this" (OK, they didn't say it that way, but close enough) and that directive never came through.
 
2018-12-24 01:52:17 PM  
No doubt, he believes all those details is someone else's job.
 
2018-12-24 01:52:26 PM  
Bravo Subby.  Bravo.

¯\_★★★★(ツ)★★★★_/¯

I think would have been a little bit more accurate, but hey.  :)
 
2018-12-24 01:52:48 PM  

reno301: I have wondered if attacking the US would be as impossible as most people seem to think it is or are we being arrogant and something truly horrible can happen.


A single attack sure. Nuclear war, no problem.
A invasion like 'red dawn' no. It is logistically impossible to supply an army the size you would need to land on the American coast or indeed anywhere in north or south america.

It simply can't be done with modern resources.
 
2018-12-24 01:55:43 PM  
Fart_Machine:

Gen. "Sad Dog" Neller
 
2018-12-24 01:57:08 PM  
If anyone out there was hoping to find an opportune time to attack the USA, this is it; just saying...
 
2018-12-24 01:58:15 PM  

RedComrade: reno301: I have wondered if attacking the US would be as impossible as most people seem to think it is or are we being arrogant and something truly horrible can happen.

A single attack sure. Nuclear war, no problem.
A invasion like 'red dawn' no. It is logistically impossible to supply an army the size you would need to land on the American coast or indeed anywhere in north or south america.

It simply can't be done with modern resources.


Pretty much this. The only military in the world that even has a hope of conducting that kind of war is the US military. And that's pretty much because any war they might conceivably fight is going to be waged from across an ocean.
 
2018-12-24 01:58:36 PM  
So, like all his other plans then.
 
2018-12-24 02:02:02 PM  

Advernaut: If anyone out there was hoping to find an opportune time to attack the USA, this is it; just saying...


Nah. An external threat would unite us pretty quick. Better to leave us bickering and floundering with a looming economic crisis.
 
2018-12-24 02:02:28 PM  

reno301: I have wondered if attacking the US would be as impossible as most people seem to think it is or are we being arrogant and something truly horrible can happen.


"Attacking the US" as in an airborne or amphibious invasion?  Yeah, that's not going to happen.  Nobody has the sealift capability, we'd see it coming days away, etc.

"Attacking the US" as in undermining our institutions, destroying our national spirit, sowing suspicion and discord?  Hate to tell you this, but it's been going on for several years now.
 
2018-12-24 02:06:01 PM  
that guy doesn't even look anything like obergruppenführer murdoch, bannon, kushner, hannity or gorka? why would he be aware of putin's plans
 
2018-12-24 02:07:40 PM  
I wonder if the generals, in whatever get togethers they have, after the card game, after the last shot has been poured and downed, after the last Code-Red has been ordered, ponder the possibility of a Seven Days in May January scenario?  They swore an oath.  They've seen the example of Bernanke, who filled the gap left by congressional Republicans.  Congressional Republicans are once again hiding, shirking responsibility.  Mattis made sure that he was inserted into the nuclear launch protocol.  He knew Trump was just batshiat.  Mattis is gone.  Who is standing in the way of the place burning down 5 days from now?
 
2018-12-24 02:08:01 PM  

palelizard: Advernaut: If anyone out there was hoping to find an opportune time to attack the USA, this is it; just saying...

Nah. An external threat would unite us pretty quick. Better to leave us bickering and floundering with a looming economic crisis.


You're already under attack and your own people are doing most of the work
 
2018-12-24 02:09:36 PM  
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2018-12-24 02:10:52 PM  
Unconditional surrender to the rest of the planet?  Oh... I was close.
 
2018-12-24 02:11:37 PM  
I mean... so basically he declared we're withdrawing, and then we're not actually withdrawing?

I'm not sure how to feel about that, exactly.  On the one hand, from a security perspective it's good that we're not actually changing anything (other than demonstrating that our CIC is 100% powerless and not actually capable of setting policy, but that's a ship that sailed a while ago).  On the other, that's a hell of a yanking of the dog's chain as far as deployed people are concerned, and diplomatically it's one of the bigger international disasters we've seen even in the context of the Hindenburg-style foreign policy streak that is the Trump admin.

... bleh.  Happy holidays (and very definitely not Merry Christmas, natch), I guess.
 
2018-12-24 02:11:45 PM  

make me some tea: I hate to say it, but this leadership vacuum is making our country extremely vulnerable.

I'm feeling like we're a sitting target at this point.


We are extremely vulnerable right now, and if we were attacked there is nobody capable or competent to give the kind of orders that would need to be given.

There is no Secretary of Defense. That means no connection between the President and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
There is a neophyte Secretary of State. That means the diplomatic channels needed in times of war, for negotiation and discussion, are weak. Plus, Tillerson gutted the diplomatic corps, during his tenure, dismissing many career civil servants and destroying networks that had taken decades to build.
Trump's treatment of Mattis, McCain, and Kelly has not won him admirers among the upper ranks of the military. In wartime, when clear communication and unrestricted access to information is paramount, personality conflicts among top brass can be lethal.
Ditto for the friction between Trump and the intelligence communities.
Trump does not have a Cabinet of advisers who can provide him with assistance in making tough decisions. He has a cadre of yes-men, whores, and corporate stooges, who he doesn't listen to anyway.

A serious attack on US interests abroad, or on US soil, would be a disaster, because Trump has no comprehension of how to respond, and has nobody nearby to tell him.
 
2018-12-24 02:12:04 PM  

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This picture makes me want to tusskevhis hair and tell him it'll be alright.


To whatnow?
 
2018-12-24 02:14:03 PM  
Remember how conservatives cheered for the military coup in Egypt?
 
2018-12-24 02:15:56 PM  

RedComrade: A single attack sure. Nuclear war, no problem.
A invasion like 'red dawn' no. It is logistically impossible to supply an army the size you would need to land on the American coast or indeed anywhere in north or south america.

It simply can't be done with modern resources.


You would need a friendly staging area-- maybe Cuba. Then figure out a way to keep your staging area from being bombed to dust. That just may be possible if beforehand the U.S. economy was utterly destroyed and the military was reduced to some hungry guys with rifles.

China has the wealth and population size to do the logistics of an invasion, but I don't see them doing so well with a destroyed U.S. economy.
 
2018-12-24 02:23:05 PM  

markie_farkie: EVERY FARKING THING he does benefits Putin.

Everything.

That's all you have to remember.

There's no secret logic to his actions.  He's beholden to a foreign power that is intent on destroying the West in the hopes that it will kickstart Russia's anemic economy.


This. Also, the media MUST stop playing this stupid little "what do you think Trump is up to" game that they do every day. That can only be a rhetorical question at this point. I think it's more obvious than a fat guy in a Day-Glo thong that Trump is NOT working for the U.S.
 
2018-12-24 02:26:02 PM  

make me some tea: I hate to say it, but this leadership vacuum is making our country extremely vulnerable.

I'm feeling like we're a sitting target at this point.


Attacks on the US mainland? Nah.

Attacks on our allies, or anyone under our sphere of influence? Absolutely. That's what the Syria withdrawal is all about, allowing Erdogan to attack the Kurds. Well, that and I'm sure it also doesn't hurt that Russia is still pissed that they attacked our forces in the area and got curb stomped:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/wo​r​ld/middleeast/american-commandos-russi​an-mercenaries-syria.html

Open that link in incognito mode if you don't have a New York Times subscription.
 
2018-12-24 02:26:15 PM  

Gyrfalcon: make me some tea: I hate to say it, but this leadership vacuum is making our country extremely vulnerable.

I'm feeling like we're a sitting target at this point.

We are extremely vulnerable right now, and if we were attacked there is nobody capable or competent to give the kind of orders that would need to be given.

There is no Secretary of Defense. That means no connection between the President and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
There is a neophyte Secretary of State. That means the diplomatic channels needed in times of war, for negotiation and discussion, are weak. Plus, Tillerson gutted the diplomatic corps, during his tenure, dismissing many career civil servants and destroying networks that had taken decades to build.
Trump's treatment of Mattis, McCain, and Kelly has not won him admirers among the upper ranks of the military. In wartime, when clear communication and unrestricted access to information is paramount, personality conflicts among top brass can be lethal.
Ditto for the friction between Trump and the intelligence communities.
Trump does not have a Cabinet of advisers who can provide him with assistance in making tough decisions. He has a cadre of yes-men, whores, and corporate stooges, who he doesn't listen to anyway.

A serious attack on US interests abroad, or on US soil, would be a disaster, because Trump has no comprehension of how to respond, and has nobody nearby to tell him.



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2018-12-24 02:34:39 PM  

reno301: I have wondered if attacking the US would be as impossible as most people seem to think it is or are we being arrogant and something truly horrible can happen.


I'm pretty sure there calls are coming from inside the house.
 
2018-12-24 02:35:54 PM  

markie_farkie: EVERY FARKING THING he does benefits Putin.

Everything.

That's all you have to remember.

There's no secret logic to his actions.  He's beholden to a foreign power that is intent on destroying the West in the hopes that it will kickstart Russia's anemic economy.


Putin doesn't care about the Russian economy. He's already made (stolen) hundreds of billions from it.

He wants to put the Soviet Union back together and go back to scaring the shiat out of the Western World.
 
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