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(US Department of Justice)   Blackwater employee found guilty of first degree murder for the 2007 shooting in Iraq. Hey Eric Prince, you best not run away now, ya hear?   (justice.gov) divider line
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2018-12-19 05:41:25 PM  
Finally! Justice is finally coming to at least one of these f*cks
 
2018-12-19 05:45:48 PM  
Good.
 
2018-12-19 06:06:46 PM  
Gonna guess there was more than one shooting death they did in 2007.
 
2018-12-19 06:18:47 PM  
Watch me turn black water to red rum.
 
2018-12-19 10:04:44 PM  

enry: Gonna guess there was more than one shooting death they did in 2007.


Aren't they implicated in a civilian massacre?
 
2018-12-19 10:33:15 PM  

enry: Gonna guess there was more than one shooting death they did in 2007.


Well yea, that's going to happen during all the raping and pillaging.
 
2018-12-19 10:37:09 PM  

Flappyhead: enry: Gonna guess there was more than one shooting death they did in 2007.

Aren't they implicated in a civilian massacre?


Stupid me, this is that incident.
 
2018-12-19 10:38:00 PM  
I'm Erik!

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2018-12-19 10:38:07 PM  
Been 11 years. Why did it take so long?
 
2018-12-19 10:39:19 PM  

Flappyhead: enry: Gonna guess there was more than one shooting death they did in 2007.

Aren't they implicated in a civilian massacre?


I'd be shocked if it was only one.

People like this are let to exist because even the US govt sometimes wants to do really reprehensible things and can't afford anyone connected to it being identified as such.
 
2018-12-19 10:40:09 PM  
one in a row.
 
2018-12-19 10:40:59 PM  

erik-k: Flappyhead: enry: Gonna guess there was more than one shooting death they did in 2007.

Aren't they implicated in a civilian massacre?

I'd be shocked if it was only one.

People like this are let to exist because even the US govt sometimes wants to do really reprehensible things and can't afford anyone connected to it being identified as such.


No one will ever punish those who made those young men into what they became.
 
2018-12-19 10:44:50 PM  
Mercenaries are scumbags by definition. Lock 'em up or line 'em up against a wall.
 
2018-12-19 10:46:27 PM  
This family needs to disappear. Between him and his paramilitary, his sister Betsy and her meddling in education and her husband who was president of the original pyramid scheme Amway. Hard to find anything redeeming.
 
2018-12-19 10:46:34 PM  
Prince really thought he was internationally aloof and immune to it all...and so does sis
Justice - One Minute To Midnight [video]
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2018-12-19 10:48:04 PM  

erik-k: People like this are let to exist because even the US govt sometimes wants to do really reprehensible things and can't afford anyone connected to it being identified as such.


Yes, but in this case they basically randomly killed as many civilians as they could for the fun of it, so there wasn't a huge downside to allowing an example to be set.

There's probably already a pardon lined up anyway.
 
2018-12-19 10:57:57 PM  

jso2897: erik-k: Flappyhead: enry: Gonna guess there was more than one shooting death they did in 2007.

Aren't they implicated in a civilian massacre?

I'd be shocked if it was only one.

People like this are let to exist because even the US govt sometimes wants to do really reprehensible things and can't afford anyone connected to it being identified as such.

No one will ever punish those who made those young men into what they became.


I mean, cycle of abuse and all that, yes.

But ultimately, part of becoming a grown up is the assumption of moral agency. When you're an adult, you are responsible for the rightness or wrongness of your actions. Otherwise it's just a back-in-time point the finger until it's all Adam's fault for slapping Mitochondrial Eve.

It's not like somebody signing onto a group as infamous as Blackwater ne Academi ne Xe ne Whateverthehell its calls itself now doesn't know.

If only it were actually so simple and black & white in practise.
 
2018-12-19 10:59:06 PM  

fnordfocus: erik-k: People like this are let to exist because even the US govt sometimes wants to do really reprehensible things and can't afford anyone connected to it being identified as such.

Yes, but in this case they basically randomly killed as many civilians as they could for the fun of it, so there wasn't a huge downside to allowing an example to be set.

There's probably already a pardon lined up anyway.


I'll bet somebody tries to get Trump to do it - wonder if he will.
 
2018-12-19 11:07:34 PM  

jso2897: erik-k: Flappyhead: enry: Gonna guess there was more than one shooting death they did in 2007.

Aren't they implicated in a civilian massacre?

I'd be shocked if it was only one.

People like this are let to exist because even the US govt sometimes wants to do really reprehensible things and can't afford anyone connected to it being identified as such.

No one will ever punish those who made those young men into what they became.


Yeah, unfortunately.

Still, f*ck mercs.  We hated these psycho yahoos in Iraq.  They seemed to think they were "elite," but they were reckless, incompetent assholes who had only one tactical solution:  open fire indiscriminately.  And then realsoldiers got to clean up their mess.  I'm glad at least a few are going to prison where they belong.
 
2018-12-19 11:12:22 PM  
What is the jurisdiction here? Seems he should have been prosecuted under Iraqi laws. He's not subject to the UCMJ. Anyone know which law he was prosecuted for?
 
2018-12-19 11:18:14 PM  
So... how is Prince liable, criminally?

I want to see this assfnck in prison as much as the next guy, but I don't see how he gets got.
 
2018-12-19 11:22:22 PM  

the_innkeeper: So... how is Prince liable, criminally?

I want to see this assfnck in prison as much as the next guy, but I don't see how he gets got.


If you could prove he knew about such incidents and covered them up or otherwise protected the people responsible he would be guilty of all sorts of stuff.  Hell a real clever prosecutor could make a case that Blackwater was a criminal enterprise.
 
2018-12-19 11:24:33 PM  
Black Water
Youtube 8SaRf86eyVY
One of my favorite songs..
 
2018-12-19 11:30:01 PM  

Alien Robot: What is the jurisdiction here? Seems he should have been prosecuted under Iraqi laws. He's not subject to the UCMJ. Anyone know which law he was prosecuted for?


So... if you click on the article and read it, you'll see that it contains your answer.
 
2018-12-19 11:31:40 PM  

Alien Robot: What is the jurisdiction here? Seems he should have been prosecuted under Iraqi laws. He's not subject to the UCMJ. Anyone know which law he was prosecuted for?


The US occupation treaty did not allow Americans to be prosecuted under Iraqi law. The reason Bush signed the occupation agreement that stipulated a pullout of US forces was the refusal of Iraq to continue to grant that immunity.
 
2018-12-19 11:32:00 PM  

Alien Robot: What is the jurisdiction here? Seems he should have been prosecuted under Iraqi laws. He's not subject to the UCMJ. Anyone know which law he was prosecuted for?


If only there were some sort of "article" that someone could read, that would answer those questions.
 
2018-12-19 11:34:31 PM  

Man with the Red Eyes: Still, f*ck mercs.  We hated these psycho yahoos in Iraq.  They seemed to think they were "elite," but they were reckless, incompetent assholes who had only one tactical solution:  open fire indiscriminately.  And then realsoldiers got to clean up their mess.  I'm glad at least a few are going to prison where they belong.


Jeezus, you're not lying. And, at least in Baghdad in 07, if you rolled by a house that had armed guards, you asked two questions at the same time- "are they local or American?" and "are they a threat?"

Alien Robot: What is the jurisdiction here? Seems he should have been prosecuted under Iraqi laws. He's not subject to the UCMJ. Anyone know which law he was prosecuted for?


Murder. It's against the law in America. I'd be OK with him being prosecuted under Iraqi law, but that might set a bad precedent.
 
2018-12-19 11:36:06 PM  
I still wonder what marketing genius decided to name a mercenary company after the shiat sludge in the sewer line.  It's certainly fitting considering the personality types drawn to mercenary work, but it's a little too on the nose for it to be a coincidence.
 
2018-12-19 11:41:24 PM  
That took 11 years. Think about that.... the backlog of what's going on now
 
2018-12-19 11:45:25 PM  
fark private military companies, also I can't tell you how worried it made me when I was deployed overseas when Soldiers talked about getting back and leaving the Army to go work for a PMC because "They don't have to follow the rules." Made me feel like a bunch of my guys would exchange in some truly horrible behavior if they felt they could, which is probably the case.  shiat really revealed the ugly side of human nature.
 
2018-12-19 11:45:32 PM  

Man with the Red Eyes: jso2897: erik-k: Flappyhead: enry: Gonna guess there was more than one shooting death they did in 2007.

Aren't they implicated in a civilian massacre?

I'd be shocked if it was only one.

People like this are let to exist because even the US govt sometimes wants to do really reprehensible things and can't afford anyone connected to it being identified as such.

No one will ever punish those who made those young men into what they became.

Yeah, unfortunately.

Still, f*ck mercs.  We hated these psycho yahoos in Iraq.  They seemed to think they were "elite," but they were reckless, incompetent assholes who had only one tactical solution:  open fire indiscriminately.  And then realsoldiers got to clean up their mess.  I'm glad at least a few are going to prison where they belong.


No question that they did a lot to create an even bigger clusterfark out of Iraq than it would have been without them.  They definitely enabled a lot of corrupt shiat. 
I'm struggling to wrap my head around now is that Muqtada al Sadr is trying to reduce Iran's influence in Iraq, rein in militias, and fight ISIS.  He's morphed into a Iraqi patriot who's trying build a coalition across sectarian lines https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/18/​i​-fought-against-muqtada-al-sadr-now-he​s-iraqs-best-hope/
 
2018-12-19 11:48:27 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Alien Robot: What is the jurisdiction here? Seems he should have been prosecuted under Iraqi laws. He's not subject to the UCMJ. Anyone know which law he was prosecuted for?

So... if you click on the article and read it, you'll see that it contains your answer.


jso2897: Alien Robot: What is the jurisdiction here? Seems he should have been prosecuted under Iraqi laws. He's not subject to the UCMJ. Anyone know which law he was prosecuted for?

If only there were some sort of "article" that someone could read, that would answer those questions.


At no point in the article does it say which law was prosecuted. Link to the statute in question if you already know it. It's not in the article.
 
2018-12-19 11:50:07 PM  

Gonz: Murder. It's against the law in America.


Link to the statute. As far as I know, only murder of a U.S. federal official is a federal offense in the United States, otherwise it's prosecuted as a state offense.
 
2018-12-19 11:50:23 PM  

Pinnacle Point: Watch me turn black water to red rum.

This deserves a lot more Funnies than it's gotten so far.
 
2018-12-19 11:55:31 PM  

Alien Robot: At no point in the article does it say which law was prosecuted. Link to the statute in question if you already know it. It's not in the article.


The article:  WASHINGTON - Nicholas Slatten, 35, a former security guard for Blackwater USA, was found guilty today of the federal offense of first-degree murder in the killing of Ahmed Haithem Ahmed Al Rubia'y

Alien Robot: As far as I know, only murder of a U.S. federal official is a federal offense in the United States


That's... ridiculously untrue. Who told you that? You find them and you smack them silly.
 
2018-12-19 11:59:03 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Alien Robot: At no point in the article does it say which law was prosecuted. Link to the statute in question if you already know it. It's not in the article.

The article:  WASHINGTON - Nicholas Slatten, 35, a former security guard for Blackwater USA, was found guilty today of the federal offense of first-degree murder in the killing of Ahmed Haithem Ahmed Al Rubia'y


So again, which statute? Under whose jurisdiction? The District of Columbia's?
 
2018-12-20 12:03:04 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Alien Robot: As far as I know, only murder of a U.S. federal official is a federal offense in the United States

That's... ridiculously untrue. Who told you that? You find them and you smack them silly.


https://www.wklaw.com/10-ways-murder-​b​ecomes-a-federal-crime/
 
2018-12-20 12:07:17 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: [YouTube video: Black Water]One of my favorite songs..


Not one of my favorites anymore, but in 1975, when I was a freshman in high school...
 
2018-12-20 12:12:34 AM  

Alien Robot: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Alien Robot: At no point in the article does it say which law was prosecuted. Link to the statute in question if you already know it. It's not in the article.

The article:  WASHINGTON - Nicholas Slatten, 35, a former security guard for Blackwater USA, was found guilty today of the federal offense of first-degree murder in the killing of Ahmed Haithem Ahmed Al Rubia'y

So again, which statute? Under whose jurisdiction? The District of Columbia's?


Gee, you've got them there. I guess they'll just have to let him go.
 
2018-12-20 12:13:13 AM  

Alien Robot: Gonz: Murder. It's against the law in America.

Link to the statute. As far as I know, only murder of a U.S. federal official is a federal offense in the United States, otherwise it's prosecuted as a state offense.


I love how you think you've stumbled on a brilliant legal argument which somehow eluded both the judge (jurisdictional issues may be raised sua sponte) and counsel for the defense. You're a regular Clarence Derpow.
 
2018-12-20 12:17:09 AM  

Alien Robot: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Alien Robot: As far as I know, only murder of a U.S. federal official is a federal offense in the United States

That's... ridiculously untrue. Who told you that? You find them and you smack them silly.

https://www.wklaw.com/10-ways-murder-b​ecomes-a-federal-crime/


Now you're trying my patience. Examples 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 directly contradict your idea.

Alien Robot: So again, which statute? Under whose jurisdiction? The District of Columbia's?


I'm not exactly sure what part of "Federal" is escaping you.

Like, what weird crazy myth are you subscribing to? Are you under the mistaken idea that you're no longer subject to US law when you're off US soil [Treaty law covers this]?
 
2018-12-20 12:29:17 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Now you're trying my patience. Examples 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 directly contradict your idea.


Plus that's a strangely short list. Here's a list of 41 Federal capital crimes, most of which are versions of murder.

For completeness, while I am not a lawyer, it looks like 18 USC § 3261 explicitly extends jurisdiction to persons "employed by or accompanying the Armed Forces outside the United States."
 
2018-12-20 12:30:33 AM  

fnordfocus: Plus that's a strangely short list. Here's a list of 41 Federal capital crimes, most of which are versions of murder.


Oops, forgot to link to the list.
 
2018-12-20 12:41:26 AM  

stan unusual: I'm struggling to wrap my head around now is that Muqtada al Sadr is trying to reduce Iran's influence in Iraq, rein in militias, and fight ISIS.  He's morphed into a Iraqi patriot who's trying build a coalition across sectarian lines https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/18/i​-fought-against-muqtada-al-sadr-now-he​s-iraqs-best-hope/


Damn that is crazy.  My MITT operated in Sadr city primarily & Madhi Militia was our biggest threat.  We estimated close to half our IA BN was involved with them.  Always fun wondering if the bullets are gonna come from in front of you or behind.

Still, Muqtada has always been extremely politically ambitious so I guess it makes sense.
 
2018-12-20 12:42:35 AM  

fnordfocus: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Now you're trying my patience. Examples 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 directly contradict your idea.

Plus that's a strangely short list. Here's a list of 41 Federal capital crimes, most of which are versions of murder.

For completeness, while I am not a lawyer, it looks like 18 USC § 3261 explicitly extends jurisdiction to persons "employed by or accompanying the Armed Forces outside the United States."



That's exactly right. The appeals court noted that 18 U.S.C. § 3261 and 18 U.S.C. § 3267 provided the basis for jurisdiction:

https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/interne​t​/opinions.nsf/6A43E282E3DC9FFE85258172​0053CBB5/$file/15-3078.pdf
 
2018-12-20 12:46:58 AM  

jso2897: Alien Robot: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Alien Robot: At no point in the article does it say which law was prosecuted. Link to the statute in question if you already know it. It's not in the article.

The article:  WASHINGTON - Nicholas Slatten, 35, a former security guard for Blackwater USA, was found guilty today of the federal offense of first-degree murder in the killing of Ahmed Haithem Ahmed Al Rubia'y

So again, which statute? Under whose jurisdiction? The District of Columbia's?

Gee, you've got them there. I guess they'll just have to let him go.


I'm not disagreeing with the verdict. I just want to know which statute was charged out.
 
2018-12-20 12:48:26 AM  
When did we start referring to mercenaries as military contractors?
 
2018-12-20 12:53:51 AM  
I still have one with your name on it, eric. As do many, many others.,
sleep poorly on your piles of blood money, you fark.
Mine is in  a small caliber, but I drew smilies on it, just for you.
We could be anywhere, and we are.
Karma can deal
 
2018-12-20 12:54:21 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Are you under the mistaken idea that you're no longer subject to US law when you're off US soil [Treaty law covers this]?


Am I in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States?
 
2018-12-20 12:56:41 AM  

Alien Robot: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Alien Robot: At no point in the article does it say which law was prosecuted. Link to the statute in question if you already know it. It's not in the article.

The article:  WASHINGTON - Nicholas Slatten, 35, a former security guard for Blackwater USA, was found guilty today of the federal offense of first-degree murder in the killing of Ahmed Haithem Ahmed Al Rubia'y

So again, which statute? Under whose jurisdiction? The District of Columbia's?


18 USC 1111(b) Special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the US
 
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